I'm wondering about the cooler and fan and open to speculation. And companies like Gigabyte have mini GTX 670s, 970s, and so on but there are drawbacks. I had a single-fan 970 Gigabyte mini from Craigslist and it wasn't crashing or terribly slow but I sold it and got the MSI GeForce GTX 970 GAMING 4G with the red color scheme and it was much quieter and cooler.
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Next gen PS5, close to 2080 level
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I'm wondering about the cooler and fan and open to speculation. And companies like Gigabyte have mini GTX 670s, 970s, and so on but there are drawbacks. I had a single-fan 970 Gigabyte mini from Craigslist and it wasn't crashing or terribly slow but I sold it and got the MSI GeForce GTX 970 GAMING 4G with the red color scheme and it was much quieter and cooler.
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The PS4 from 2013 could not be Polaris, since it was not yet released, not even close. It was, however, the GCN architecture.
AFAICT the orginal PS4 is GCN 2. Polaris is GCN 4.
So I don't see how the original PS4 is Polaris.
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I already hit 4K at decent frame rates in most of the games I play anymore on Xbox One X. Been playing more Division 2 lately and it looks amazing at the native 4K it runs at... Forza 7 at 4K 60fps is great too. My PS4 Pro looks incredible too... especially Uncharted 4 and I recently started God of War. Idk if they're 4k though but they look gorgeous.
Point being that the next gen consoles will truly be impressive. I have been saying on here for months that what Sony and Microsoft has done with the PS4 Pro and One X at the price point they are selling them at in terms of graphics and performance is truly remarkable and very commendable.
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2019/0...s-2-ghz-radeon-navi-gpu-february-2020-unveil/
According to the rumors, this should put it very close to 2080 level performance. This would be very good news for consoles, especially considering the entire console will cost about what a 2080 costs today. Of course, we won't see this till the end of next year so take everything with a large handful of salt
Will be way to big and too hot to run 2080 levels. Dumb rumor, won't be true.
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exact arch for the gpu part (should be matching A10-7850K).
Architecture Codename: Sea Islands
Codename: Starsha (Thebe-J)
CLRX Version: GCN 1.1
xbone was even worse (~15% slower), they had only 2 ACE's... on GCN1.0. matching around A6-7650k performance.
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So you ruined my lunch with all of this salt.. Thanks!
I think it's more likely it will have sub-5700 performance, and a max of 4 zen2 cores. so Navi with less cores/speed than whats in a 5700, same for cpu, probably 4 cores but slower clocked. Probably have both in the single package.
1080p resolution is likely all they need to shoot for, even if they say it will support 4k. The would just use resolution scaling a.k.a Trixx.
I think it's more likely it will have sub-5700 performance, and a max of 4 zen2 cores. so Navi with less cores/speed than whats in a 5700, same for cpu, probably 4 cores but slower clocked. Probably have both in the single package.
1080p resolution is likely all they need to shoot for, even if they say it will support 4k. The would just use resolution scaling a.k.a Trixx.
I am more jazzed about fast NVME storage than uber graphics. I am so sick of loading times on PS4, trying to launch Destiny 2 or SWBF2 usually involves making and eating a sandwich before the fcking games load
edit - yeah ok, jazzed about gfx too, duh. I just don't want to wait any LONGER for uber 4k texture games to load
edit - yeah ok, jazzed about gfx too, duh. I just don't want to wait any LONGER for uber 4k texture games to load
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still its quite surprising how much performance they were able to get with such hardware.Exactly, thank you for backing me up.
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They may have better performance than 5700 on PC's (even though it will likely be limited to 16 ACE's; and likely 4-6 zen+ cpu cores. They very well may be based on Vega. I know not perfect, but do remember that ms and sony want to milk customers 2-3x - like ps5 pro, super or whatever.
Yep. Exactly my thoughts. All the rumors are shifting towards RDNA 2 for consoles. Looking how polaris went it wouldn't be surprising.
Unless RDNA 2 = RDNA 1 + RT HW.
That's what makes it a rumor, nobody knows for sure. It will be better than Xbox one X.. which is over 6TFlops... The 5700 is just under 8.. so if they could get that performance/power for the xbone x with the older hardware, I hope they can at least do better this time.
why? Its well speculated past rumors RDNA2 is coming next year. Polaris first came with consoles so whats so hard to believe? Consoles won't be launched until late 2020 likely so not a big if here.
Tflops aren't the same and don't mean anything. Navi destroys polaris in efficiency with those tflops. That is the whole point of Navi, its not a compute oriented chip. Its gaming oriented, made more efficient for games.
I mean, it does matter if you compare the same architecture... Ala, the 5700. The 5700XT is around 9.5, so this should (assuming the rumor of course) be a bit faster than that, plus we tend to get a bit more from consoles (in general due to the nature of it being more specific with defined specs). Of course these are assumptions and rumors, it could come out slower than a 5700 or faster than an XT, we'll probably get more details next year at some point and get a bit better idea where it really falls.
Well, rdna doesn't have RT.. AMD stated consoles will have it, so... It's at least going to be a more advanced rdna if you don't want to call it 2... Unless by support RT they are planning to implement with shaders or software (like Pascal I guess).
not really if you read more about RDNA 2 it is actually even more refined version of RDNA. Navi is just entry in to RDNA. Engineers were happy to move on from Navi as RDNA 2 is where the excitement is.
Microsoft said the RT is hardware.
That's what I thought, but want positive and didn't have a link, so didn't want to spread wrong info just in case. Hardware could still mean shaders though, as it's not running on CPU. I'm not sure so I left it open.
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I can imagine this as being true, within 15% margin of error, but understand that in 3 years, it will be 4060 level, and going by GPU pricing trends, that much performance would still cost $600 :sigh:
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Haven't had a console released yet that wasn't several generations behind in performance, and these won't be any different.
Graphics are still going to look like kiddie toys next to a real system, and they're still going to be pumping out those lovely lower framerates.
Graphics are still going to look like kiddie toys next to a real system, and they're still going to be pumping out those lovely lower framerates
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Uh, actually it's been growing a lot.pc gaming still dead so why even care
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pc gaming still dead so why even care
That's what he, she, and/or they said.
playstation is been growing a lot.
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I thought this was clarified thoroughly enough earlier in the thread. No! Polaris was released as a discrete GPU before it ever found its way into a console.
I think you and a few others missed it, but i took it as sarcasm.... Like everyone keeps saying then the numbers come out and PC game sales are higher than anything else. I think it was a knock on those people who keep saying the of market is dead.
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Very 2019 of you
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https://www.thefpsreview.com/2019/0...s-2-ghz-radeon-navi-gpu-february-2020-unveil/
According to the rumors, this should put it very close to 2080 level performance. This would be very good news for consoles, especially considering the entire console will cost about what a 2080 costs today. Of course, we won't see this till the end of next year so take everything with a large handful of salt
If it costs what a 2080 costs today, that would be around 600 dollars. That doesnt sound like good news for consoles considering the previous gen was half that.
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one of those consoles should go with nv, so we can compare performance and quality of graphics between them. (since we don't do that anymore on PC's)
It seems to good to be true today. Hopefully the power of chiplets shall compel us.
If chiplet designed GPUs really can deliver that much power within a CPU package. Then it is both a scary and exciting time. If the the console chips are really that capable it means real honest to goodness no compromise desktop PCs with no video card.
I would happily take mini-ITX machines with 32-64GB of DDR 5, NVME storage and nothing spinning but the fan on a 120mm radiator.... that can game a 1440 ultra and 4k.
If chiplet designed GPUs really can deliver that much power within a CPU package. Then it is both a scary and exciting time. If the the console chips are really that capable it means real honest to goodness no compromise desktop PCs with no video card.
I would happily take mini-ITX machines with 32-64GB of DDR 5, NVME storage and nothing spinning but the fan on a 120mm radiator.... that can game a 1440 ultra and 4k.
I don't doubt the technology exists, isn't the radeon VII almost 14tflops?
I'm suggesting the consumer appetite for a giant box with loud fans to disperse the amount of heat it creates.