Samsung's Ditching The Headphone Jack and Furiously Deleting Its Ads That Made Fun of Apple

T4rd said:
Show me on the stuffed bear here where the S5 touched you. :p

Bad/defective products are made by every company, doesn't mean everything a company makes is bad. But that's actually surprising since I've seen many people still holding onto the S5 because it was the last Samsung phone with a removable battery while also being water resistant.

Anyways, back on topic; Samsung pulled an Apple with the Note 10 being 1080p for $950, like the XR was 720p for $750. I'm sure the display will be great otherwise, but it should at least match the cheaper S10 in all specs including resolution. The Note 10+ is as overpriced as ever, but I'll consider picking one up or the Pixel 4 XL as soon as there's a decent deal on the unlocked model.
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Mature.

Anway it is the way it worked as intended sucked. Best phone I ever had was an HTC. Too bad them and the rest are on the way out of the market. Samsung is trash functionality. Most people don't know anybetter because they never had anything else. Samsung is stuck between annoying gimmickry, whoring you out to whoever, and imitating Apple. And that is the least of its problems.
 
Verge said:
once jobs left, there's no excuse to copycat apple anymore. Imagine being reduced to copy a company that no longer innovates... like how shitty are you samsung?
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So much this. So much.

I do like the Samsung midrange phones doe like the J3

I know as a group we hate mid range phones but honestly the J3 has lasted my like 2 years? Not bad— but it’s my work phone that I use for certain things. It’s definitely not my personal phone so it just doesn’t get the same amount of use but has the same basic functionality.
 
I have a Note 9, but the way this is going my next phone is probably going to be an iPhone. Note 10 with a smaller, lower-res FHD screen and neither headphone jack nor microSD slot at nearly the same launch price as the Note 9, really?!?!
 
M76 said:
There hasn't been a smartphone that I'd buy for at least 3 years.

Stop copying apple, idiots.

Here are my terms:
No notch
No infinite screen
No curved screen at the edges
No pop up camera
No more than 1 camera on the back
Must have 16:9 screen
Must have 4000mah+ battery
At least 5.5, preferably 6" screen with QHD+ resolution.
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And let me guess, all for $299, right?
 
M76 said:
There hasn't been a smartphone that I'd buy for at least 3 years.

Stop copying apple, idiots.

Here are my terms:
No notch
No infinite screen
No curved screen at the edges
No pop up camera
No more than 1 camera on the back
Must have 16:9 screen
Must have 4000mah+ battery
At least 5.5, preferably 6" screen with QHD+ resolution.
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Seriously. I've been really looking for a replacement to my GS7 Active, and NOTHING fits the bill.
 
Jagger100 said:
Mature.

Anway it is the way it worked as intended sucked. Best phone I ever had was an HTC. Too bad them and the rest are on the way out of the market. Samsung is trash functionality. Most people don't know anybetter because they never had anything else. Samsung is stuck between annoying gimmickry, whoring you out to whoever, and imitating Apple. And that is the least of its problems.
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I'm still rocking an HTC 10. Headphone jack, decent screen, SD card slot. I will use it until it fails to boot.
 
to those who support the move, I ask a single question:

Was the inclusion of a headphone jack the SINGULAR REASON to explain lost/lower then expected sales?
 
M76 said:
Also seems to have a notch.
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Previous Note devices had higher resolutions then a Note 10. One can walk into a store and purchase a note 9 for $799 at samsung.com (the price a week ago) and be better off then the 10 base lol
 
This whole thread is lost on me. I'm getting old. The only reason I bought a smartphone in 2014 (my first one!) Was that I couldn't get a decent standalone mp3 player anymore. I had an HTC M8 so the speakers was a nice touch. I only did this because I got a good corporate rate through work and it allowed me to ditch my landline. Save some money.

I mostly want the headphone jack so I don't have to buy different headphones or fuss with some silly adapter that defeats the purpose. I find the Bluetooth headphones are clunky at best, far too large.

I don't really get the phone thing. I use mine for checking email, some web browsing, nothing interesting. I don't understand why you'd want to do more. If I want to do some gaming I'll play on my desktop with a big monitor. Shoot a bunch of photos, I'll get my dslr out thanks.

I don't care if you love your phone, I just don't understand. Also not sure why I'd want to be playing with it all day.

Just got a new phone about a month ago. Motorola G7 plus. It does more than I need and it was very inexpensive. It also has a headphone jack like most of the cheaper ones.

I like to think I won this one.

Oh and the whole car thing....I have a 32gb usb drive plugged in. It takes almost nothing to add new music. Again, I just don't get it.
 
I griped about losing headphone jacks until I got a Samsung Galaxy S9 and paired it with the Sony WH1000XM3 over LDAC. Mathematically I understand its not "Hi-Def" but to my ears its golden and I don't need any better.
 
Wouldn't mind them getting rid of the headphone jack if they replaced it with a 2nd usb-c port. Should be able to have wired headphones and charge the thing via a cord at the same time.
 
Im not 100% married to headphone jacks as I really listen very little to music or anything else while out and about except for the car.

However, My LGV40 has a decent MQA enabled DAC that has been massaged by Meridian, so from time to time I plug it in to my office 2chan system and listen to my Tidal MQA library.
 
THRESHIN said:
What I don't understand is why these companies want to get rid of the jack so badly. I personally will never buy a phone without a headphone jack. Many are the same. Therefore, there is a clear market for this. Why not have some models with a jack and some without?

But I suppose I should stop being logical. Logic never applied to smartphones.
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It reduces costs, improves battery life, and allows for thinner lighter designs... it is nothing but a win for their engineering team. Besides most of the DAC units used in phones are cheap and sound OK at best.
 
Nolan7689 said:
Lol.

Eating their words almost literally.

I miss the jack ever so slightly (just to charge while driving and listening), but it’s hardly a deal breaker. I’m not a huge audiophile, and I don’t exactly consider a smartphone the ideal platform to pretend to be one. Podcasts and background music at work, bluetooth is fine.

But I’m sure that somehow makes me and everyone else just terrible people for not dying on this hill.
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Picked up a cheap Bluetooth to 3.5mm converter for the car which also gets me hands free and a mic. It like a $500 fine to get caught talking on a phone while driving so the hands free with a single push button answer system bypasses that. It works great.
 
Fremunaln said:
I wonder what kind of additional battery life these devices will gain with such a small increase in battery size.
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Additional battery life not sure about that... the faster processors with more memory and bigger screens tend to be hungry so the battery may be bigger but I bet the increased draw will all balance out.
 
andrewaggb said:
It will definitely annoy me to not have a headphone jack in my old car which doesn't have bluetooth.
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You can find cheap ones that work well that go Bluetooth to 3.5mm that are powered off the 12v and have multiple USB outs for cheap on Amazon. Snagged one and it works great.
 
THRESHIN said:
This whole thread is lost on me. I'm getting old. The only reason I bought a smartphone in 2014 (my first one!) Was that I couldn't get a decent standalone mp3 player anymore. I had an HTC M8 so the speakers was a nice touch. I only did this because I got a good corporate rate through work and it allowed me to ditch my landline. Save some money.

I mostly want the headphone jack so I don't have to buy different headphones or fuss with some silly adapter that defeats the purpose. I find the Bluetooth headphones are clunky at best, far too large.

I don't really get the phone thing. I use mine for checking email, some web browsing, nothing interesting. I don't understand why you'd want to do more. If I want to do some gaming I'll play on my desktop with a big monitor. Shoot a bunch of photos, I'll get my dslr out thanks.

I don't care if you love your phone, I just don't understand. Also not sure why I'd want to be playing with it all day.

Just got a new phone about a month ago. Motorola G7 plus. It does more than I need and it was very inexpensive. It also has a headphone jack like most of the cheaper ones.

I like to think I won this one.

Oh and the whole car thing....I have a 32gb usb drive plugged in. It takes almost nothing to add new music. Again, I just don't get it.
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My phone is a glorified email machine at this point...
 
M76 said:
There hasn't been a smartphone that I'd buy for at least 3 years.

Stop copying apple, idiots.

Here are my terms:
No notch
No infinite screen
No curved screen at the edges
No pop up camera
No more than 1 camera on the back
Must have 16:9 screen
Must have 4000mah+ battery
At least 5.5, preferably 6" screen with QHD+ resolution.
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You just described the Xperia xa2 ultra. I bought one a few months ago and I love it. I just wish it had a better CPU. The CPU was a sidegrade from my OnePlus one
 
Lakados said:
Additional battery life not sure about that... the faster processors with more memory and bigger screens tend to be hungry so the battery may be bigger but I bet the increased draw will all balance out.
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to be fair I would love someone compare the S10+ Snapdragon to the N10+ with the exact same SoC and 200mAh battery difference and list their findings. As you mentioned above as well, engineering team might have won, but was it really worth it?

I wonder if someone ever did a cost to benefit analysis of the Note 10, including going back and having to delete ads and such, was it worth it?

Seems like they solved a problem that did not exist, and probably put more effort into a simple launch
 
Mazzspeed said:
Because we know that Bluetooth Audio is far from a quality standard, we grew up with real HiFi.

Stick to your little plastic speaker thingo youngin. ;)
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You aren’t getting high quality audio out of a smartphone anyway. Bluetooth is good enough for what smartphones produce.

Lakados said:
Apple now uses USB C
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Not on their phones. There is a rumor that they will be ditching lightening in the next couple years but the 2019 iPhones are still going to use it.
 
Lakados said:
Additional battery life not sure about that... the faster processors with more memory and bigger screens tend to be hungry so the battery may be bigger but I bet the increased draw will all balance out.
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Again, I still don't get it. I don't need my phone to be paper thin. The screens are already big enough and the most I drain this thing is half way in a day. Get off my lawn kids.
 
Romeomium said:
Seriously. I've been really looking for a replacement to my GS7 Active, and NOTHING fits the bill.
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It’s a telephone, not an irrevocable life choice.

They all suck, something better is always around the corner, they all connect to crappy cellular providers, and they all cost too much.

No point in getting on a high horse over notches, nonremovable batteries, or phone jacks.

Buy what you need. If they stop making it, evolve and adapt.
 
M76 said:
There hasn't been a smartphone that I'd buy for at least 3 years.

Stop copying apple, idiots.

Here are my terms:
No notch
No infinite screen
No curved screen at the edges
No pop up camera
No more than 1 camera on the back
Must have 16:9 screen
Must have 4000mah+ battery
At least 5.5, preferably 6" screen with QHD+ resolution.
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Samsung A70 ? Sold out everywhere here... The notch is non existent in 16:9 since it's 20:9(from memory). More than 1 camera on the back but why the f*** is this a problem if it's well done ? More than 4000mah+ 6.7" no curved, SD Card friendly ... and CHEAP !!!
Have to admit, this is my first A series (always had S seires).... and even made my sister switch from Apple !

EDIT, it's 1080P but why do you need QHD+ on your cellphone unless you do VR ?
 
MMitch said:
Samsung A70 ? Sold out everywhere here... The notch is non existent in 16:9 since it's 20:9(from memory). More than 1 camera on the back but why the f*** is this a problem if it's well done ? More than 4000mah+ 6.7" no curved, SD Card friendly ... and CHEAP !!!
Have to admit, this is my first A series (always had S seires).... and even made my sister switch from Apple !

EDIT, it's 1080P but why do you need QHD+ on your cellphone unless you do VR ?
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It's not that I need more than 1080p, it's the fact that if I spend god knows what on a new phone I don't want any of its specs to be worse than my old phone. As for cameras. Cameras on a phone are a gimmick to me, I'll never use it for photography and usually any pictures taken with a phone turn out terrible anyway, so if a phone only has one camera it's at least not trying hard to be something it is not.
 
Well at least they have not (yet) followed in the footsteps of everyone and added a notch. That is just dumb.
 
Derangel said:
You aren’t getting high quality audio out of a smartphone anyway. Bluetooth is good enough for what smartphones produce.
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Exactly. This thread and the “I won’t buy a phone without a 3.5 mm jack” comments make me laugh. Folks, for better or worse, you’re not going to have a choice soon.

I HATE using wired headphones for anything, let alone a phone, and can’t imagine why on earth people even want to. Yeah, I understand it’s an annoyance for phone vendors not to include one, but those jacks eat up space which would be used for extra battery or other features. Apple was just overly dramatic when they removed it and that’s probably why people made so much fun of them more than anything else.

And the folks talking about “real HiFi” from an analog 3.5 mm jack on a smartphone? Riiiiight.
 
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Derangel said:
You aren’t getting high quality audio out of a smartphone anyway. Bluetooth is good enough for what smartphones produce.
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Most of the time, theres very few instances where the output of a cell phone's amp is enough to drive a pair of high end head phones anyways. Most of the posters who hate BT have no idea why they hate BT, must of been an article somewhere that told them to hate it.
 
You can get very good quality sound out of some smartphones with good DACs. I'd rate them up there with a decent DAC. Of course ultra high end DAC will edge it out but really they are within small percentages in most qualities.
100mAh or less for a jack, it doesn't save shit all space.

And if you really need to drive electrostatic cans or something you can get an external dac...
 
I always thought it would bother me, but I've come to realize I rarely sit listening to my phone while it's plugged in. I have other audio devices for sitting around near an outlet, so I just use the adapter.

The only case where this is a bit annoying is when I drive my girlfriend's car and need to use AUX.
 
I broke away from using phone for music at all other than as a remote control. I bought a HiBy R3 which is a very small form factor (palm sized) high quality audio DAC/player.

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The HiBy R3 has both a 3.5mm and a smaller 2.5mm balanced female audio jack. It has wifi and bluetooth connectivity and can be controlled with a HiBy app on your phone or tablet remotely while still being connected wired to an audio system/speaker. It can also broadcast via bluetooth (and connect to a vehicle's audio system via bluetooth for example) but I prefer playing FLAC off of it wired whenever possible. Also, unlike most phones, it has a micro sd port which is it's only storage. I put a 512gb card in it but supposedly it can take up to 2tb cards (possibly more) if they were out. Using usb-C charges it or you can connect it to a pc where it shows up as a hard drive to manage your music. You can import playlists, and it has compatibility with tidal streaming which has a HD audio plan available for high bandwidth streaming (though the HiBy doesn't support Tidal offline content currently) and Qobuz if you like streamed services. I connect the HiBy R3 to my surround system, a beefy marshal portable BT/wired speaker, my truck, and I bought an armband strap to use it wired over my shoulder, behind neck and over the ear with wired earbuds when working in garage shop, yard, etc.

My purchase of the HiBy R3 was a great decision. They go for around $200 but have been on sale on and off for $150 recently which are very affordable prices for high quality DAC devices. (The next tier up is more like $700 and up). Not only am I not tethered to my phone for music, I can have a huge library of genres and playslits of FLAC for compression free high quality listening. The device keeps it's charge for an extremely long time since it's not doing smartphone app duties at all, and I'm never interrupted by audible alerts from my phone during listening anymore. I just keep my phone on vibrate for alerts and in a clear front faced armband or in my pocket depending what I'm doing.

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I don't work for them or anything I just wanted to mention it because people who want audio jacks are getting fewer options for them on smart devices.
 
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Funny thing is I would like a single popular reviewer who is allowed to review Samsung products, to come out and say they dislike the note (non plus) launch and still have reviewer credentials afterwards.
 
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