Paper Launch for AMD Ryzen 9 3900X

Microcenter has yet to list them, Amazon has yet to list them, Newegg has only listed SOLD OUT as they have never gotten them in

Microcenter had 30 on launch day for me. Not sure what you are talking about. They still had some the other day when I went to the store. Rep told me they have been getting regular stock and been selling out fast. If you wanted one should have talked to a rep and give them your contact info. Mine reached out to me before it even got posted on webpage.
 
Why are you splitting hairs? This isn't me slamming AMD; I want a 3900X, I can wait a few days or whatever longer. I am just saying, it was clearly not a 7/7 launch because there was essentially no availability in any meaningful quantity. Like I said, go to Amazon and search for "ryzen 9 3900x". It doesn't even come up as a result.
Amazon has the worst damn search engine for computer hardware.
Also they are shit with computer hardware and they don’t try hard enough for stock on launch. Have you seen nvidia super series on amazon? Shit is never in stock and Newegg gets them all the time. Amazon doesn’t chase super high demand products it seems until supply stabilizes.

my local microcenter has been getting timely stock on 3900x. My rep told me as soon as it shows in stock online, shit storm hits and they are gone lol.

10-20 mins in stock is a long time when hundred or thousands of people like you are ready to jump on trigger.
 
The performance difference between the 3700X/3800X and 3900X is much greater than between the 3900X and 3950X. Combine that with the fact that today most people aren't really eager to spend more than $500 on a desktop CPU, and you won't see customers lining up to spend $750 on a mainstream desktop CPU. In that case, you'll be better off buying a 2950X today and holding on to it for a few years. You could stretch X399 for about a decade if you really wanted to.
You underestimate the number of people with disposable income that just want the best and an extra $250 doesn't mean much.
 
Leave it to AMD to screw up this launch. Why announce a cpu that is just about impossible to purchase, it's almost vaporware. I believe this is on purpose to generate the frenzy and media discussion or they are having manufacturing problems. LOL! Now would be time to offer a huge rebate on the chip since it's not available anyway. Intel has sold so many I9900K's off this buyer frustration

lol. Seen this shit come in and out of stock more than a dozen time since launch. What do you expect when product is in crazy demand? Just because those who don’t have notifications set doesn’t mean it’s vaporware.
Have numbers on intel has sold so many because of this? Otherwise it’s just your imagination.
 
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I wonder how long its going to take before you can just walk in and buy one? 2 months? I need a new computer bad 1800x and I am glad i work offshore for 6 weeks at a time because this wait is killing me. Oh well.
 
Just because those who don’t have notifications set doesn’t mean it’s vaporware.

He might not have notifications set, but I do. Unfortunately, they come and go so fast that you can't even catch them. Twice I was at NewEgg.com at the last step at checkout (I have everything pre-entered in their system) and it errored out when I clicked the "Submit Order" button. So I went back to the 3900X page and it showed in stock, I added it to the cart again, the same process, it errored out. It means that so many people are ordering these at the same time when they are in stock that it's overwhelming their software. So yes, you are absolutely corect.

Have numbers on intel has sold so many because of this? Otherwise it’s just your imagination.

I was about to ask him the same thing, but then I had to leave for work. IMHO the 9900K is gathering dust on shelves or it's sitting in boxes in various warehouses. It's available everywhere, at the same price, no-one has to be in a hurry to buy one. Oh, and Intel won't lower the price out of sheer pride. If anything they don't want to seem desperate right now. Even if it means losing sales.

You underestimate the number of people with disposable income that just want the best and an extra $250 doesn't mean much.

Even $500 is pushing it for a mainstream desktop CPU. Asking $750 is NVIDIA RTX level pricing for a product that shouldn't cost as much. So when I think $750, I think Threadripper. Even if I get a 3000 series 16 core Threadripper, I will get more bang for the buck. Not just because of the extra PCI-E 4.0 lanes (well, I would run it in my X399 mobo, so meh), but also most likely better heat dissipation. Threadripper just comes in a better package. Yes, there is a downside to this when it comes to VRMs on most HEDT motherboards: there isn't much room left for a powerful VRM. Anyway, I'm trying to explain my thinking when it comes to buying CPUs.
 
Microcenter has dropped the price of the Intel Core i9 9900K to $449.99. I saw someone buying one the other day. Stores can't keep the Ryzen 9 3900X in stock, but that doesn't mean that they are vaporware, nor does it mean that Intel isn't still selling many CPU's. I think the takeaway that a ton of people have when reading the reviews is that Intel is still faster for gaming and that Ryzen / AM4 is a pain in the ass to deal with. I've got some friends who are PC gamers, and when they asked me about the 3000 series, that was their take away from that discussion. They asked me about the issues with Destiny 2, etc. and all they heard was "problems".
 
Microcenter has dropped the price of the Intel Core i9 9900K to $449.99. I saw someone buying one the other day. Stores can't keep the Ryzen 9 3900X in stock, but that doesn't mean that they are vaporware, nor does it mean that Intel isn't still selling many CPU's. I think the takeaway that a ton of people have when reading the reviews is that Intel is still faster for gaming and that Ryzen / AM4 is a pain in the ass to deal with. I've got some friends who are PC gamers, and when they asked me about the 3000 series, that was their take away from that discussion. They asked me about the issues with Destiny 2, etc. and all they heard was "problems".

As usual, your comments are spot on. Also, I am not saying that Intel makes bad CPUs, they're just expensive. Still, IMHO the 9900K looks like a yummy CPU, and now that the more recent ones can hit 5GHz, it's a nice piece of silicon to have in a powerful desktop that has to do real work and pull double duty as a gaming PC. And I'm typing this from my 1950X @ stock on a Gigabyte X399 Gaming 7 mobo, and I'm running this at stock (boosts to like 4GHz) and I'm happy with it. I had a lot of issues with memory compatibility and tried a bunch of memory kits. The latest BIOS update made the machine finally 100% stable. Stability can be a major issue and I hope AMD gets better at this. Intel X99 also had growing pains when it was first released, but not as many as X399. The problems with X299 were mostly related to piss poor VRM designs coupled with Intel's unwillingness to use STIM. Every platform has issues, but people seem to feel more comfortable with Intel because the issues are mostly not memory controller related.

I just remembered about our 8 core CCX discussion. I watched AMD's EPYC Rome presentation yesterday, then read the Anandtech review. Apparently now they're called CCDs. Anyway, Anandtech was saying that the CCDs communicate via the I/O die. What I'm trying to say is that your benchmarks with the simulated 8 core CPU might be spot on if anything, the results might be a bit better due to the larger L3 cache. We'll see when you test a 3700X or 3800X. From what I was reading the 3800X has a higher quality binned chiplet.
 
I just remembered about our 8 core CCX discussion. I watched AMD's EPYC Rome presentation yesterday, then read the Anandtech review. Apparently now they're called CCDs. Anyway, Anandtech was saying that the CCDs communicate via the I/O die. What I'm trying to say is that your benchmarks with the simulated 8 core CPU might be spot on if anything, the results might be a bit better due to the larger L3 cache. We'll see when you test a 3700X or 3800X. From what I was reading the 3800X has a higher quality binned chiplet.

Well the CCX (Core Complex with 4 cores) is still a CCX -- and the CCD is the Core Complex Die (or Core Chiplet Die, I am not sure) but it is the die comprised of 2 CCX.
 
As usual, your comments are spot on. Also, I am not saying that Intel makes bad CPUs, they're just expensive. Still, IMHO the 9900K looks like a yummy CPU, and now that the more recent ones can hit 5GHz, it's a nice piece of silicon to have in a powerful desktop that has to do real work and pull double duty as a gaming PC. And I'm typing this from my 1950X @ stock on a Gigabyte X399 Gaming 7 mobo, and I'm running this at stock (boosts to like 4GHz) and I'm happy with it. I had a lot of issues with memory compatibility and tried a bunch of memory kits. The latest BIOS update made the machine finally 100% stable. Stability can be a major issue and I hope AMD gets better at this. Intel X99 also had growing pains when it was first released, but not as many as X399. The problems with X299 were mostly related to piss poor VRM designs coupled with Intel's unwillingness to use STIM. Every platform has issues, but people seem to feel more comfortable with Intel because the issues are mostly not memory controller related.

I just remembered about our 8 core CCX discussion. I watched AMD's EPYC Rome presentation yesterday, then read the Anandtech review. Apparently now they're called CCDs. Anyway, Anandtech was saying that the CCDs communicate via the I/O die. What I'm trying to say is that your benchmarks with the simulated 8 core CPU might be spot on if anything, the results might be a bit better due to the larger L3 cache. We'll see when you test a 3700X or 3800X. From what I was reading the 3800X has a higher quality binned chiplet.

Each core chiplet die contains two CCX complexes. So, CCX's are still a thing. The change is that CCX's are bundled two per chiplet and that all CCX's communicate through the I/O die. Everything now has equal access to memory and other resources. In fact, everything goes through the I/O day over the Infinity Fabric. This is huge for Rome as it no longer has to deal with a NUMA like memory layout with remote memory on another node. Now, everything has equal access to all the memory. A theoretical 32c/16t 3000 series Threadripper should be significantly better in multi-threaded workloads over the older Threadripper 2990WX.

Anyway, we are bringing more testing into our reviews at TheFPSReview.com and therefore, we'll get a better picture and more data on how these CPUs compare. I've got a gamut of processors to test, so that's what I'll be doing with my evenings this week. (I already have been.)
 
Well the CCX (Core Complex with 4 cores) is still a CCX -- and the CCD is the Core Complex Die (or Core Chiplet Die, I am not sure) but it is the die comprised of 2 CCX.

You're absolutely and one hundred percent right ;) - I need to sleep better because lately it's been chaotic around here. Anyway, here is the section of the article on Anandtech.com that I was referring to:

The CCDs consist of two four-core Core CompleXes (1 CCD = 2 CCX). Each CCX consist of a four cores and 16 MB of L3 cache, which are at the heart of Rome. The top 64-core Rome processors overall have 16 CCX, and those CCX can only communicate with each other over the central I/O die. There is no inter-chiplet CCD communication.

My takeaway from this was that the CCXs can only communicate with each other via the central I/O die. So Dan_D's simulated 8 core CPU might actually resemble the real deal, or maybe even slightly better performance due to 64MB L3 cache.
 
Anyway, we are bringing more testing into our reviews at TheFPSReview.com and therefore, we'll get a better picture and more data on how these CPUs compare. I've got a gamut of processors to test, so that's what I'll be doing with my evenings this week. (I already have been.)

I have all the parts here to build my new air-cooled workstation with a 2970WX, two Radeon VII cards and a lot of other cool stuff, including the ASUS ZENITH EXTREME ALPHA and 3 1TB Samsung 960 Pros. I bought these components one a time when I found a deal. I got the 2970WX brand new for $900 for example. I just need to find the time to do it. I'm sure that I will drool all over the new 3000 series when it comes out, however, this will have to do for the next couple of years. Poor me I suppose :D

The only thing that I am worried about if Windows will keep working on optimizing the scheduler for the WX CPUs now that Threadripper 3000 is almost here. I suppose they might for the first-gen EPYC? I have no idea.
 
I have all the parts here to build my new air-cooled workstation with a 2970WX, two Radeon VII cards and a lot of other cool stuff, including the ASUS ZENITH EXTREME ALPHA and 3 1TB Samsung 960 Pros. I bought these components one a time when I found a deal. I got the 2970WX brand new for $900 for example. I just need to find the time to do it. I'm sure that I will drool all over the new 3000 series when it comes out, however, this will have to do for the next couple of years. Poor me I suppose :D

The only thing that I am worried about if Windows will keep working on optimizing the scheduler for the WX CPUs now that Threadripper 3000 is almost here. I suppose they might for the first-gen EPYC? I have no idea.

The scheduling optimizations in Windows 10 Build 1903 are for ALL Ryzen CPU's and variants which includes Threadripper and Epyc. The new CCPC2 stuff however, is for the Ryzen 3000 series only. You simply need the latest BIOS, chipset drivers and Windows 10 Build 1903
 
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Microcenter has dropped the price of the Intel Core i9 9900K to $449.99. I saw someone buying one the other day. Stores can't keep the Ryzen 9 3900X in stock, but that doesn't mean that they are vaporware, nor does it mean that Intel isn't still selling many CPU's. I think the takeaway that a ton of people have when reading the reviews is that Intel is still faster for gaming and that Ryzen / AM4 is a pain in the ass to deal with. I've got some friends who are PC gamers, and when they asked me about the 3000 series, that was their take away from that discussion. They asked me about the issues with Destiny 2, etc. and all they heard was "problems".

They have probably been reading too much redditt. LOL! Destiny two issue was patched and I don't see any other issues here on my platform.
 
They have probably been reading too much redditt. LOL! Destiny two issue was patched and I don't see any other issues here on my platform.

Destiny 2 was NOT patched. It wasn't on Bungie's end. This was an AMD issue. AMD put out two chipset drivers with work arounds and a UEFI fix via AGESA 1.0.0.3AB. The first chipset driver was trash. The second one better, but the performance still sucks.
 
Destiny 2 was NOT patched. It wasn't on Bungie's end. This was an AMD issue. AMD put out two chipset drivers with work arounds and a UEFI fix via AGESA 1.0.0.3AB. The first chipset driver was trash. The second one better, but the performance still sucks.
I said issue was patched. Not bungie patched the issue. I figured people would know that who cared about destiny 2. I don’t play the game so don’t know about performance but after reading on reddit users were saying it works fine. May be Bungie needs to get off its ass and actually do something as well.


First chipset driver trash how? How does performance suck? Not sure if you mean game performance or performance in general. Doesn’t suck for me I guess lol.
 
I said issue was patched. Not bungie patched the issue. I figured people would know that who cared about destiny 2. I don’t play the game so don’t know about performance but after reading on reddit users were saying it works fine. May be Bungie needs to get off its ass and actually do something as well.


First chipset driver trash how? How does performance suck? Not sure if you mean game performance or performance in general. Doesn’t suck for me I guess lol.

I've covered this in plenty of other posts. The first driver had numerous issues within the game itself. The game would become unresponsive and make the system so unresponsive you'd have to sign out of Windows or restart the machine to recover. You couldn't even get the task manager to kill the game. Performance wise, the Ryzen 3000 series sucked in Destiny 2 only. It performed worse than the Ryzen 7 2700X or Threadripper 2920X did at the same settings. This shouldn't be the case. I saw minimum frame rates of around 18FPS compared to 36FPS on the Threadripper 2920X and 56FPS on the Core i9 9900K.

The game may very well benefit from tuning by Bungie, but this is largely on AMD. The chipset driver was just a work around, and I understood that. What I really need to do is test the game with the AGESA code fix, which I now have for both the X570 boards I have on hand.
 
is it a safe bet to preorder a 3900X from B&H? I really want a 3900X over a 37/3800X because it's not much more for a lot more. I'll grab a 1200 for 60 just to get a running system
 
is it a safe bet to preorder a 3900X from B&H? I really want a 3900X over a 37/3800X because it's not much more for a lot more. I'll grab a 1200 for 60 just to get a running system

No, B&H is the last company on the ladder when it comes to getting anything new in stock, except maybe for Macs and camera gear. Use your best judgement I guess, but I've seen other businesses wait for months sometimes on stuff they pre-ordered or that was "special order" (crap they don't want to keep in stock because they're not sure it will sell, like a Rampage Extreme Omega motherboard for example).
 
By now, its high demand. Across the board AMD CPUs are in demand, even more so now with the new EPYC processors. More production/binning will go towards enterprise SKUs.

At the same time, the forecasts are 12% less semiconductors sales next quarter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
By now, its high demand. Across the board AMD CPUs are in demand, even more so now with the new EPYC processors. More production/binning will go towards enterprise SKUs.

At the same time, the forecasts are 12% less semiconductors sales next quarter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think this is what's going on at AMD right now... or at Global Foundries and TSMC...

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Well their a victim of their own success :) Enterprise level multicores, features and performance at consumer prices.

First exciting time and real competition in CPUs in about a decade.
 
Nah, that was over two years ago when Ryzen was launched. Now we're getting the cherry on top ;)

Depends on the use I guess.

Intel still has excellent single threaded performance, which is critical for latency sensitive applications (finance)

Zen and Zen+ was pricing and multi-threaded value.
Zen2 IPC performance is finally trading blows clock for clock with 8th/9th gen Intel * Lake.
 
GF doesn't manufacture any Ryzen 3000 series due to their own little mishap they have as well. Good thing AMD doesn't have to rely on GF or else their Ryzen 3000 series would have been dead in the water.

Yep. Spinning out GF and going with TSMC was a brilliant move. Similar to what Cook did with Apple in the 2000s by selling off and outsourcing their mfg.

However, things might come full circle again with increased robotic mfg; it may be more efficient to do it in house! Will be interesting to see how Intel's 10nm pans out as well as the effects of their talent acquisition spree. Feels like Intel will bounce back similar to when Pentium 4 -> Core architecture.
 
GF doesn't manufacture any Ryzen 3000 series due to their own little mishap they have as well. Good thing AMD doesn't have to rely on GF or else their Ryzen 3000 series would have been dead in the water.

Yep. Spinning out GF and going with TSMC was a brilliant move. Similar to what Cook did with Apple in the 2000s by selling off and outsourcing their mfg.

However, things might come full circle again with increased robotic mfg; it may be more efficient to do it in house! Will be interesting to see how Intel's 10nm pans out as well as the effects of their talent acquisition spree. Feels like Intel will bounce back similar to when Pentium 4 -> Core architecture.

Global Foundries still makes the I/O die that goes into each AMD CPU. It says right there on each AMD CPU:

Difused in USA
Diffused in Taiwan
Mad in China

I was referring to the I/O die when I mentioned Global Foundries.


Intel still has excellent single threaded performance, which is critical for latency sensitive applications (finance)

This mythos can't die soon enough. Oh, but wait, it is dying as we speak. Just for shits and giggles, compared Cinebench R15 results between a 7900X, a 9900X and a 3800X, oh, and a 9900K. Properly apply security patches, microcode updates and BIOS updates and Intel starts losing big time, as much as 20% percent sometimes, especially in the data center space. But what do I know, I only messed with Intel and AMD CPUs since the early 90's. Just ask Dan_D about AMD's single-threaded performance.
 
Yep. Spinning out GF and going with TSMC was a brilliant move. Similar to what Cook did with Apple in the 2000s by selling off and outsourcing their mfg.

However, things might come full circle again with increased robotic mfg; it may be more efficient to do it in house! Will be interesting to see how Intel's 10nm pans out as well as the effects of their talent acquisition spree.

Well at the moment, AMD risk at the moment is solely relying on TSMC for their 7nm manufacturing, so any shutdown of TSMC 7nm fab or any process node delay (seems unlikely as TSMC is managing their node development pretty well at the moemnt) will impact AMD. I can see AMD will mitigate that risk once Samsung 7nm fab comes online.

Regarding Intel 10nm, I have a feeling it will be very short live assuming if their 7nm process is on schedule to be release in 2021 but will be interesting to see what they bring on the table in 2020.
 
Global Foundries still makes the I/O die that goes into each AMD CPU. It says right there on each AMD CPU:

Difused in USA
Diffused in Taiwan
Mad in China

I was referring to the I/O die when I mentioned Global Foundries.




This mythos can't die soon enough. Oh, but wait, it is dying as we speak. Just for shits and giggles, compared Cinebench R15 results between a 7900X, a 9900X and a 3800X, oh, and a 9900K. Properly apply security patches, microcode updates and BIOS updates and Intel starts losing big time, as much as 20% percent sometimes, especially in the data center space. But what do I know, I only messed with Intel and AMD CPUs since the early 90's. Just ask Dan_D about AMD's single-threaded performance.

Didn't realize the I/O die is made by GF, in any case even if GF cannot make the I/O die, it is not a loss for AMD as TSMC or Samsung can fill that role. I am just surprise with all the fuck ups GF have, it is still managing to stay alive.
 
Didn't realize the I/O die is made by GF, in any case even if GF cannot make the I/O die, it is not a loss for AMD as TSMC or Samsung can fill that role. I am just surprise with all the fuck ups GF have, it is still managing to stay alive.

  1. AMD still has to buy from Global Foundries due to some contractual obligations, otherwise, they pay penalties. Though Lisa Su has negotiated them significantly and I suspect that in the next couple of years AMD will get rid of Global Foundries for good due to their inability to keep up with manufacturing tech.
  2. AMD said that I/O circuitry is difficult to die-shrink, so it has to be made using a mature process. So it's manufactured at 14nm.

Regarding Intel 10nm, I have a feeling it will be very short live assuming if their 7nm process is on schedule to be release in 2021 but will be interesting to see what they bring on the table in 2020.

  1. Intel has an accountant for a CEO. As evidenced by their recent deal with Apple, he is not very bright as he can only think in numbers, a quarter at a time. Screw the big picture, let's keep that stock price up. As long as Robert H. Swan is Intel's CEO, Intel will run on Accounting Viagra, one bullshit at a time.
  2. Intel has a lot of money and they won't starve any time soon. In fact, if it wasn't for those pesky cores, they can keep up just fine.
  3. No one knows what Intel is doing internally, but I have a feeling that The Accountant is restructuring the company from the inside. Everything that's a money loser gets cut. I also assume that on one hand, he doesn't want to sink more money in 10nm, on the other hand, the investment already made has to be recouped. AMD fucked up their roadmap pretty good, so now instead of executing their long term plans, Intel has to go back to the drawing board. I'm sure they will come out swinging with some products that are barely better but so much more expensive. So if The Accountant is smart, he will have stopped the implementation of 10nm manufacturing tech, got the team together, and they're planning a leap to 7nm or a little bit beyond. If they want to stay an industry leader, they need to outthink AMD. Still, The Accountant can only think for three months at a time...
  4. I still like Intel CPUs. They just work for the desktop. I would never use one today in a server anymore though unless I need a node with high clock speeds and low core counts. Otherwise, AMD EPYC FTW!
  5. Did you ever hear the saying "He who lives by the crystal ball soon learns to eat ground glass"? - I like to speculate but I try to base my speculation on real world observation and I am aware that 99.99% I'm probably wrong. I just do it for fun :p
 
Anyway, we are bringing more testing into our reviews at TheFPSReview.com and therefore, we'll get a better picture and more data on how these CPUs compare. I've got a gamut of processors to test, so that's what I'll be doing with my evenings this week. (I already have been.)

Are you able to tell us if you've gotten a 3950x review sample yet?
 
Probably still like just the average joe 3600x...that other chip did clock better..this one benches better in single thread though. It's excellent at 4.2. Probably better for airrr...stuff with team blue where water does reign in some high load temps a little...
That is NOT fail significant IPC and Cache...
 
  1. AMD still has to buy from Global Foundries due to some contractual obligations, otherwise, they pay penalties. Though Lisa Su has negotiated them significantly and I suspect that in the next couple of years AMD will get rid of Global Foundries for good due to their inability to keep up with manufacturing tech.
  2. AMD said that I/O circuitry is difficult to die-shrink, so it has to be made using a mature process. So it's manufactured at 14nm.


  1. Intel has an accountant for a CEO. As evidenced by their recent deal with Apple, he is not very bright as he can only think in numbers, a quarter at a time. Screw the big picture, let's keep that stock price up. As long as Robert H. Swan is Intel's CEO, Intel will run on Accounting Viagra, one bullshit at a time.
  2. Intel has a lot of money and they won't starve any time soon. In fact, if it wasn't for those pesky cores, they can keep up just fine.
  3. No one knows what Intel is doing internally, but I have a feeling that The Accountant is restructuring the company from the inside. Everything that's a money loser gets cut. I also assume that on one hand, he doesn't want to sink more money in 10nm, on the other hand, the investment already made has to be recouped. AMD fucked up their roadmap pretty good, so now instead of executing their long term plans, Intel has to go back to the drawing board. I'm sure they will come out swinging with some products that are barely better but so much more expensive. So if The Accountant is smart, he will have stopped the implementation of 10nm manufacturing tech, got the team together, and they're planning a leap to 7nm or a little bit beyond. If they want to stay an industry leader, they need to outthink AMD. Still, The Accountant can only think for three months at a time...
  4. I still like Intel CPUs. They just work for the desktop. I would never use one today in a server anymore though unless I need a node with high clock speeds and low core counts. Otherwise, AMD EPYC FTW!
  5. Did you ever hear the saying "He who lives by the crystal ball soon learns to eat ground glass"? - I like to speculate but I try to base my speculation on real world observation and I am aware that 99.99% I'm probably wrong. I just do it for fun :p

I do understand AMD has an WSA with GF, but all I am saying is if GF have any issues with their node, AMD can easily move away from GF to go to either TSMC 16nm fab or Samsung 14nm fab as they are also mature. Essentially this is what AMD did when GF cancelled their 7nm plans in 2018 which made AMD go to TSMC to produce Ryzen 3000 series chips.

As for Intel decision regarding selling its smartphone mobile business to Apple, I am not sure how it is relevant to the comment I made to the other poster but I have a different take on it as it was losing money for Intel as it wasn't making in inroad with its 5G plan for smartphones, so it was best for Intel to sale a money losing part of its business.

Regarding Bob Swan as CEO, I really have no opinion of him as I do not know his management style. I am not sure if you are implying that Intel needs a CEO with an engineering background but if so, I will say this, both former Intel CEO - Brian Krzanich and and former AMD CEO - Hector Ruiz and Dirk Meyer were engineers. If you are implying that Intel board should have hire someone outside of Intel, I can agree with you on that as that person will look at Intel from an outside perspective.

I agree Intel has plenty of cash to survive their recent downturn.

While I do agree AMD throw a wrench at Intel's plan, it is a minor issue compare to the fuck up they themselves caused by constantly not getting its 10nm process down and tying its architecture to it. The worse enemy of any company is themselves, that was the case for AMD and it is the case for Intel.

With Rome release, it is becoming extremely hard to make the case for current Xeon processor until IceLake next year, though it will be facing AMD's Milan. CooperLake may able to dent Rome release if price appropriate; but even then, it may be a hard sale giving the performance you get with Rome.
 
I wonder how long its going to take before you can just walk in and buy one? 2 months? I need a new computer bad 1800x and I am glad i work offshore for 6 weeks at a time because this wait is killing me. Oh well.
Heh. I'm on 4770k... Waiting for 3950x though I think. If I'm only going to upgrade every few years might as well go BIG.

4C/8T to 16C/32T is "BIG" for me. May also upgrade from GTX 1070 to 5700XT as well, but not completely sure yet. This is for my linux box & the OSS drivers are attractive.

My win box is 1080Ti & i5-8400 so it' s good for now.
 
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Heh. I'm on 4770k... Waiting for 3950x though I think. If I'm only going to upgrade every few years might as well go BIG.

What are you doing with that 4770k when you're done with it? My buddy has heat problems with his and is too big of a pansy to delid it lol.
 
What are you doing with that 4770k when you're done with it? My buddy has heat problems with his and is too big of a pansy to delid it lol.

Dunno. I have 3 or 4 other haswell boxes so don't really need it. If you want to PM me after 3950x comes out I'll probably let it go cheap. It's always been run at stock as I'm too lazy to OC.
 
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