Windows 10 New Start Button redesign

Tengis said:
I didnt read all the comments... too many people complaining.
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And this is why I can't be bothered to take anything you say seriously. If you won't even bother to read the replies people have made I see no reason to give your reply any serious consideration.
 
I've long since used MyTile and made my own executables for popular games, to instant launch and run off it.... This lets you make your own custom tiles, and not have the stupid limitations windows does if you try to make shortcuts on it. (Full screen image icons)


This new start menu screen capture looks like complete garbage compared to what's already available in the existing infrastructure. That says enough by itself.
 
Factum said:
Again, why are people stuck in the past and cannot figure out to use the WIN-key?
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Because you do it that way, everyone should want to do it that way?

Also, you need to get with the times, the WIN key is so 2015, you need to be using voice commands.
 
Grimham said:
Because you do it that way, everyone should want to do it that way?

Also, you need to get with the times, the WIN key is so 2015, you need to be using voice commands.
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Why waste time clicking your way through menus...when you can get to the program in less than 3 seconds?
 
Factum said:
Why waste time clicking your way through menus...when you can get to the program in less than 3 seconds?
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With Open Shell, you can set it up to have cascading sub-menus. You'll then just need 2 clicks to execute any application in the start menu.
 
I don't think installing a shell replacement is a good solution. If you're going to nuke the way something works, why not instead use Win10Tile and learn how Windows intended the start menu to be used, rather than forcing it into the antiquated past?

Can't guarantee the future will use the same XMLLibs but it's far better than overriding the Windows shell with no-longer-supported open source features which will be / already are exploitable.
 
Factum said:
No need...the Win key works without 3rd party crap /shrugs
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Yes, the vaunted win key and searching. Which as I said earlier was probably the best thing about win10 in features that work. The problem is that search usually defaults to the web, not my computer so its giving me Bing search results for Rimworld (or some chemical formula on wiki) instead of the exe link to my install of Rimworld. It even pops up the Edge browser and not my default browser. Super useful.

Mystique said:
I don't think installing a shell replacement is a good solution. If you're going to nuke the way something works, why not instead use Win10Tile and learn how Windows intended the start menu to be used, rather than forcing it into the antiquated past?

Can't guarantee the future will use the same XMLLibs but it's far better than overriding the Windows shell with no-longer-supported open source features which will be / already are exploitable.
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God forbid MS let people customize their OS at all, no we have to learn how it was intended to be used, which was to push live tiles crap on your start menu screen. Oh its for news or a slideshow of your recent looked at photos and most importantly ads. I knew we were in trouble when Win8's weather app had ads in it for MS products.
 
Ranulfo said:
Yes, the vaunted win key and searching. Which as I said earlier was probably the best thing about win10 in features that work. The problem is that search usually defaults to the web, not my computer so its giving me Bing search results for Rimworld (or some chemical formula on wiki) instead of the exe link to my install of Rimworld. It even pops up the Edge browser and not my default browser. Super useful.
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Those are easy fixable?
 
Ranulfo said:
Yes, the vaunted win key and searching. Which as I said earlier was probably the best thing about win10 in features that work. The problem is that search usually defaults to the web, not my computer so its giving me Bing search results for Rimworld (or some chemical formula on wiki) instead of the exe link to my install of Rimworld. It even pops up the Edge browser and not my default browser. Super useful.



God forbid MS let people customize their OS at all, no we have to learn how it was intended to be used, which was to push live tiles crap on your start menu screen. Oh its for news or a slideshow of your recent looked at photos and most importantly ads. I knew we were in trouble when Win8's weather app had ads in it for MS products.
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Not sure what version of Windows 10 you are using but, search does not default to the web at all, anymore. Not since they separated Cortana and Search.

The only issue with Live Tiles is that they did not expand upon and improve it. The potential was there, the execution was not. Besides, I do not even notice live tiles anymore, since you cannot make the full screen start menu open by default, like Windows 8. (Oh, and Windows 10 Mobile being dead and all.)
 
Factum said:
You mean a “typewriter”?
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HA HA.

I have a few of these I use in a pinch. A few that look modern that are USB sans the Windows Key including an older wireless that still works fine.
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Factum said:
Not true according to what a simple google search showed me...but I guess it is more easy to complain...
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Yeah people will complain about the need to continually have to fix after the fact what Microsoft should fix to begin with. It's been 4 years they've had to get the basic shit right.

If making the OS work properly requires a google search for hacks or regtweaks, they failed.

But I guess it's easier to blame customers.
 
odditory said:
Yeah people will complain about the need to continually have to fix after the fact what Microsoft should fix to begin with. It's been 4 years they've had to get the basic shit right.

If making the OS work properly requires a google search for hacks or regtweaks, they failed.

But I guess it's easier to blame customers.
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You could have found a solution to YOUR specific problem in less time that it took you to write that post...
 
odditory said:
I was talking about 8+10 collectively, Heat. It took W10 nearly 4 years to catch up with 7's marketshare - and that's with the benefit of forced installs (GWX) and being the only option on new PCs. So yes half the planet remained on 7 for years and to an extent will continue to. Steam HW Survey =/= the planet.

So the people trying to minimize the complaints about 8/10 as "well it's exactly the same as when people complained about XP's default colors" are a little off the mark.
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I have no idea why you think I'm Heatless. Do you actually think HEatless ran 2 account for years, but then suddenly decided to just use this one (and I say that assuming Heatless was on here before I was, I don't know and again he hasn't been on H for months (a year?).

As for 7 taking 4 years. Brah, that's because of BUSINESS. YOU AND I ARE almost IRRELEVANT outside of places like the Steam HW survey, because most Windows installs are business installs. And BRAH, people like you (not necessarily you) were whining about the 7 interface 10 years ago. The arguments about training were all over these boards, because the classic windows start menu was removed. "Oh the Horror," they said. Shockingly, life went on.

And others who have better memories complained about XP. And FYI, XP took 4 or 5 years to be the top Windows OS. I really should have kept a folder with these debates so I could just repost the adoption rates ever 3 or 4 years when the whining about the latest OS starts.
 
seanreisk said:
Out of this entire thread the only conclusion I can make is that it would be nice if Microsoft tracked your favorite apps, made a very flexible and modifiable system for the Start, Desktop, Explorer, Taskbar and System components, offered you a dozen presets or templates, and allowed you (or your administrator) to save your preferences.

That's what Microsoft should do, but customization usually winds up doubling or tripling support costs. In other words, Microsoft has learned to not do this.
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Win 10 has a most used section at the top of the start menu.
Mazzspeed said:
Can't be an issue with my install when it happens across multiple machines not tied down to corporate networks but owned by the average Windows user that I work on daily...
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I'd experiment with using the win button vs a mouse. It doesn't affect me on any 10 PCs I've used (which is admittedly only about 1/2 dozen).
odditory said:
I'd love to know who the latter is, because it sure isn't MS if that's the implication.

I'd add that there's also a big difference between a company that is upfront that the data collected by their free software and services are for advertising and monetization, and a company that lies about their motivations - trying to collect just as much personal information but claiming it's for the customer's "security", then keeping those thousands of datapoints hidden inside an encrypted stream with a pat on the head "trust us, and sorry but we can't give you an off switch", nevermind in paid retail software.

BigData is a multi-billion dollar business, every company is in this gold rush and they're all scum from the customer's point of view, but certain ones should stop pissing on our backs and then having their PR dept's tell us it's raining.
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Dude, just turn off the ads. The closest thing to an ad I get is every so often the links on the log in page go to some MS thing or Linked in, but it's not like I click on those links. And if they weren't there, then there'd be a link for something related to the picture (which is the most common links). This is some of the least intrusive ads in existence...and those aren't targeted ads, because I'm not looking for work and I rarely visit jobs sites (as in it's probably been over a year).
Factum said:
Again, why are people stuck in the past and cannot figure out to use the WIN-key?
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They can't use search either (and yes I know there's 2 or 3 people who have legit reasons search doesn't work for their programs).

odditory said:
Yeah people will complain about the need to continually have to fix after the fact what Microsoft should fix to begin with. It's been 4 years they've had to get the basic shit right.

If making the OS work properly requires a google search for hacks or regtweaks, they failed.

But I guess it's easier to blame customers.
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There are no OS's (not one) that doesn't require web searches. Linux? Lots of searches. OS X? Ditto. Every OS requires you to learn and since the last time an OS came with a printed manual was either 9x or 2000/XP (can't remember), web searches are needed. And ya know what? Even if I had a manual, I'd do a search, because it's faster than reading a manual.
 
The screen captures of Windows 10 actually made me want to stay with Windows 7. I'm still waiting until Jan2020 to decide which version of Windows to get. This is because there's a rumor a new OS may be coming (or maybe not, which I don't understand).
 
nilepez said:
I have no idea why you think I'm Heatless.
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If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

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But I'll be nice. If there are any Microsoft reps listening, I understand the need to actively push the product on social media. Windows Vista got a completely undeserved thrashing and they didn't want that to happen again. This isn't the way to go about it. Users are genuinely unhappy with Windows 10, and constantly downplaying those issues and ignoring helpful criticism has created a worse situation than they had with all the anti-Vista FUD. Getting rid of the start screen should not have been a herculean effort, I suspect that single issue had a greater impact on the failure of Windows 8 than anything else. Now it looks like they're abandoning Metro... fixing the start menu so people don't have to buy start menu replacement programs would be a nice gesture.

I understand that Microsoft needs a revenue stream to have a viable product and they're in a difficult position now that the desktop isn't a growth market. IMO the smart thing would have been to basically continue Windows 7 as a subscription product and focus on mobile with a dedicated mobile/touch product. Instead they dicked around porting Windows to ARM, ruined the desktop experience by trying to turn Windows into some kind of hybrid touch OS, built an app store and voice assistant that nobody wanted, launched and immediately cancelled phones... it's like they completely lost focus after Gates left. Now the Amazons and Walmarts of the world are deploying loads of Android/iOS hardware, Microsoft's hybrid OS approach failed and they missed the growth curve for touch hardware.

Subscriptions worked for Office and I think it's preferable to loading the OS up with tracking and advertising. I haven't paid a dime to Microsoft since they got rid of Technet.

As for 7 taking 4 years. Brah, that's because of BUSINESS. YOU AND I ARE almost IRRELEVANT outside of places like the Steam HW survey, because most Windows installs are business installs.
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It's all about business users... is that why Blackberry and Nokia now dominate the cell phone market?

And BRAH, people like you (not necessarily you) were whining about the 7 interface 10 years ago. The arguments about training were all over these boards, because the classic windows start menu was removed. "Oh the Horror," they said. Shockingly, life went on.
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Saying that somebody is wrong because 'you people were whining about something else 10 years ago' is pretty insulting, brah.
 
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Legendary Gamer said:
It's all about what their test audience feedback says... Who the hell is testing windows these days anyway?

Honestly, I'm just using Open Shell and it is wonderful. This new interface looks like a scary piece of ass.
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MS sure as hell isn't testing with actual users. I base this on conversations we have with them regularly about their various offerings and services.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Subscriptions worked for Office and I think it's preferable to loading the OS up with tracking and advertising. I haven't paid a dime to Microsoft since they got rid of Technet.
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I have no idea why you think that's relevant.
1. Technet was a way to get software for next to nothing
2. When technet went away, you had 7 and office 2010 licenses, and those are all still supported to this day (never mind that you can still use that key for 10)


It's all about business users... is that why Blackberry and Nokia now dominate the cell phone market?
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I don't get your point. Are you arguing that RIM died because they changed their UI or that Businesses are the primary buyers of mobile devices?
Rhetorical question, because RIM died because they were too slow to update their UI to a touch system and consumers dominate the handset market.

Desktop OS marketshare has always been dominated by businesses. Arguing otherwise makes you look ignorant of that market..

As I've said now for 4 years, 10 will not dominate until business upgrade and that wasn't likely to start until about 18 months before 7's support ends, with the vast majority of upgrades happening this year.

What's left after next January are vertical devices where the software isn't certified for a new OS (which is also what happened when XP support ended).

Saying that somebody is wrong because 'you people were whining about something else 10 years ago' is pretty insulting, brah.
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No they were whining about it 10 years ago and it was meant to be insulting. It's 2019, not 2001. User interfaces change. Get over it. And if you can't, then you can buy some software to use as a crutch for the rest of your life. In my life, I had to learn Apples ][ os. Then I learned Dos. Then Wind 3.x. Then win 9x. Then Win XP. Then Vista and 7. After that nothing meaningful has changed. Maybe someday they'll make a change where I have to learn a new UI...but for the most part that hasn't happened in at least 10 years (not that I loved 8.1's start screen, but it fundementally worked exactly the same as 7 (and likely vista, but I can't remember on that one).
 
nilepez said:
I have no idea why you think I'm Heatless. Do you actually think HEatless ran 2 account for years, but then suddenly decided to just use this one (and I say that assuming Heatless was on here before I was, I don't know and again he hasn't been on H for months (a year?).

As for 7 taking 4 years. Brah, that's because of BUSINESS. YOU AND I ARE almost IRRELEVANT outside of places like the Steam HW survey, because most Windows installs are business installs. And BRAH, people like you (not necessarily you) were whining about the 7 interface 10 years ago. The arguments about training were all over these boards, because the classic windows start menu was removed. "Oh the Horror," they said. Shockingly, life went on.

And others who have better memories complained about XP. And FYI, XP took 4 or 5 years to be the top Windows OS. I really should have kept a folder with these debates so I could just repost the adoption rates ever 3 or 4 years when the whining about the latest OS starts.
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This man is definitely not Heatless. I have no idea how anyone could be so insulting! ;)
 
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