3200 or 3733 for upcoming Zen 2?

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bose301s said:
Which would you take, the Ripjaws 3200 CL14 or that kit? Ripjaws is $60 cheaper and B die and I think it can hit 3733 CL17.
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I have 2x8GB Ripjaws 3200c14 and 2x8GB Flare X 3200c14 installed together doing [email protected] on a 6700K and that is about the limit of the memory controller.
The sticks have tested stable at 3600c15\3866c16\4000c17
 
bose301s said:
Which would you take, the Ripjaws 3200 CL14 or that kit? Ripjaws is $60 cheaper and B die and I think it can hit 3733 CL17.

Or save $100-$150 and stick with the Corsair 3200 CL16 because the gain is relatively small to go up.
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Well, I spent $330 on 32 GB of 4000 C19 if that gives you a hint. But really, the last RAM I bought was DDR3 1600, so I really know nothing.
 
kamikazi said:
Well, I spent $330 on 32 GB of 4000 C19 if that gives you a hint. But really, the last RAM I bought was DDR3 1600, so I really know nothing.
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Lol, same here. Core i5 2500K with 16GB DDR3 1600, very similar to what's in your sig.
 
They are currently some price increases. But we just came off a sales period, so its natural.

Also, DRAM is projected to drop a lot more in price. So, I wouldn't worry too much.
 
kamikazi said:
Two of the G.Skill 32 GB Trident NEO kits are back in stock on newegg today if anyone is still looking. This is the stuff I wanted upfront for cheaper than what I paid. Oh well...

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232860?Description=g.skill trident neo&cm_re=g.skill_trident_neo-_-20-232-860-_-Product 32GB 3600 16-16-16-36 $289.99

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232861?Description=g.skill trident neo&cm_re=g.skill_trident_neo-_-20-232-861-_-Product 32GB 3600 16-19-19-39 $209.99
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Just saw that, now debating between the 3600 16-16-16 and the Ripjaws, but I can never make up my mind, lol.
 
bose301s said:
Just saw that, now debating between the 3600 16-16-16 and the Ripjaws, but I can never make up my mind, lol.
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Neither one shows up as B Die on the B Die finder as far as I can tell. They could be Micron E Die which is supposed to be decent. If I remember correctly, the Ripjaws you were looking at are B Dies. You can probably push them just as high as this Trident Neo stuff.
 
kamikazi said:
Two of the G.Skill 32 GB Trident NEO kits are back in stock on newegg today if anyone is still looking. This is the stuff I wanted upfront for cheaper than what I paid. Oh well...

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232860?Description=g.skill trident neo&cm_re=g.skill_trident_neo-_-20-232-860-_-Product 32GB 3600 16-16-16-36 $289.99

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232861?Description=g.skill trident neo&cm_re=g.skill_trident_neo-_-20-232-861-_-Product 32GB 3600 16-19-19-39 $209.99
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You just got me to toss another $210 at my build. I’m not one to manually overclock ram, and the CAS20 on my current RAM was just bugging me! I really hope I enjoy the 2 nanoseconds I gain.
 
kamikazi said:
Neither one shows up as B Die on the B Die finder as far as I can tell. They could be Micron E Die which is supposed to be decent. If I remember correctly, the Ripjaws you were looking at are B Dies. You can probably push them just as high as this Trident Neo stuff.
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Well I don't think the new Neo stuff is B die, but is Ryzen certified so I would think it's fine. Basically everyone says the Ripjaws B die with do 3600 CL16 and I've seen done posts people have said they can do 3733 or 3800 at CL16 or 17, probably save $50 and get the Ripjaws, I'm not really in to the whole RGB color thing anyway.
 
The only ics available that can do 16 16 16 1.35. 14 15 15 1.40v and 18 18 18 1.20v 3600 are b die.

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Copy the timings sub timings etc from these and your golden.
 
hititnquitit said:
The 16 16 16 is b die. no idea what the other might be.
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the 16-19-19 might be micron E die.. there's some that can do 16-19-19 @ 3600 and some that do 17-18-18 @ 3600 i believe.. but pretty much all 3200 micron E can do 3600C17. the only downside to micron E is that they have much looser sub timings but don't put as much strain on the IMC as hynix/samsung modules so it's easier to hit 3600+ with 4x8/4x16 configurations.
 
OK, I am going to go with a 3200 CL14 B Die kit, G. Skill has the Ripjaws V and Trident Z which is $9 more than the Ripjaws, any reason to get the Trident Z over the Ripjaws? Only difference is the look? Just wondering.
 
If all the timings are the same its most likely just the different look. I'm guessing that c14 3200 bdie ram will easily do c16-18 3600 on most x570 boards manually clocked. Will try it on mine whenever the 3900x comes back in stock.
 
My pick is the first kit as it is cheapest!

Difference between c14 3200 and c16 3600 are not huge for gaming. Hardware Unboxed has a new vid on ram and Ryzen 2. Should check it out

That said I am running 32Gb at 14 14 14 38 1.35v with a 3900x and its plenty fast. I am on the release bios for the MSI MEG Ace and it does not want to do ram over 3200 at low latency. I'm waiting on the new agesa to hit then will flash . Everything is stable as can be right now so not rocking the boat.
 
TheHig said:
My pick is the first kit as it is cheapest!

Difference between c14 3200 and c16 3600 are not huge for gaming. Hardware Unboxed has a new vid on ram and Ryzen 2. Should check it out

That said I am running 32Gb at 14 14 14 38 1.35v with a 3900x and its plenty fast. I am on the release bios for the MSI MEG Ace and it does not want to do ram over 3200 at low latency. I'm waiting on the new agesa to hit then will flash . Everything is stable as can be right now so not rocking the boat.
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That's what I'm thinking, and from everything I've read the 3200 CL14 B die will hit 3600 no problem and have even seen people say 3800 isn't unrealistic if you give it some voltage.
 
bose301s said:
That's what I'm thinking, and from everything I've read the 3200 CL14 B die will hit 3600 no problem and have even seen people say 3800 isn't unrealistic if you give it some voltage.
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That was the route I was initially going to take. Seems like a good choice.
 
I've been following these Neo sticks for a while. And this morning an article come across a reddit link about these same G.Skill neo sticks over @ TECHSPOT. They do a full run down of Ram timings & latencies and how scaling effects performance., etc. It isn't supper thorough but you can SEE how these chips (& prices) scale.

Nice to know the difference between $99 sticks and $250, is about 3%


Also, those damn 3600 c16 (32gb) kits I've been looking at (waiting for), at Newegg have gone up $30 bucks in 2 weeks on Auto-notify status. Went from $269-$289- now $299. :eek:
 
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