Intel Core i9-10900K - 10 Core Is Coming

Hagrid said:
So a 6950x but faster and no quad channel memory?
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Not even close. 6950x is Broadwell-E. Comet Lake will, at the very least, be based on Skylake architecture. With any luck it will be based on Sunny Cove, and that's a whole different ballgame.
 
odditory said:
Oh, honey. You still haven't learned - never count Intel out. 10 Cores of ass-kicking 5Ghz+ ALLCORE is coming.

Finished Intel Comet Lake 10-core CPU samples are heading out for qualification
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So where is the source? The article does not link to the source of their information.
Nobu said:
Ugh, I wish they would just come up with stupid code name instead of calling it 10900k...
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They're not calling it that. Read the article:

But with this ten-core chip – presumably the Core i9 10900K – going into qualification now that should mean Intel’s new top gaming processor is pretty much done and dusted.

There is a lot of empty speculation and assumption in the article.
 
Armenius said:
So where is the source? The article does not link to the source of their information.
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They do actually. The point of the article is simply that someone noticed a new "Comet Lake 10+2" entry in the EEC database, along with a few of other Comet Lake variations.

Obviously we're still a way off from any official announcements and 10-core retail boxes sitting atop Microcenter shelves, but for those hoping/praying this product "didn't exist" and was "fake", its not looking good.

The EEC listing references a Comet Lake-S 10 +2 processor, and the product code indicates that it is definitely, definitely a desktop CPU because of the DT prefix. The bracketed ‘Qual’ would point to this latest development kit featuring completed Comet Lake silicon for qualification with system integrators and motherboard manufacturers.

We saw a software development platform for the ten-core Comet Lake-S CPUs appear around six weeks ago, again via a Eurasian Economic Commision registration, which was listed as a ‘Beta’ kit.
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odditory said:
Oh, honey. You still haven't learned - never count Intel out. 10 Cores of ass-kicking 5Ghz+ ALLCORE is coming.

Finished Intel Comet Lake 10-core CPU samples are heading out for qualification
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Where in the world Did I claim INTEL WAS OUT?
I am talking about the slide you are using as justification for keeping this thread open... A point you are pretending to not understand.
Why don't you make a new thread regarding the new link instead of having kept this open when it was clearly fake from the get go.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
Where in the world Did I claim INTEL WAS OUT?
I am talking about the slide you are using as justification for keeping this thread open... A point you are pretending to not understand.
Why don't you make a new thread regarding the new link instead of having kept this open when it was clearly fake from the get go.
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Hopefully not more postings of fake crap.
 
Armenius said:
So where is the source? The article does not link to the source of their information.

They're not calling it that. Read the article:

But with this ten-core chip – presumably the Core i9 10900K – going into qualification now that should mean Intel’s new top gaming processor is pretty much done and dusted.

There is a lot of empty speculation and assumption in the article.
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That's half my point, it's a dumb name, AND we don't know if that's what it'll be called anyway.
 
Nobu said:
That's half my point, it's a dumb name, AND we don't know if that's what it'll be called anyway.
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Yeah, at this point the dumb name sticks because we don't have a real name to assign to it. Anything else used would just add to the confusion.
 
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It's here bois.
 
Hagrid said:
So the new cpu will not be faster? I figured it would be.
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No, I mean your assertion that this rumored chip is a "6950x with dual channel memory" is not even close to accurate, as 6950x is based on Broadwell-E. Current chips are based on Skylake, which is a good deal faster. This chip may very well be based on Sunny Cove, which is even faster.
 
techguymaxc said:
No, I mean your assertion that this rumored chip is a "6950x with dual channel memory" is not even close to accurate, as 6950x is based on Broadwell-E. Current chips are based on Skylake, which is a good deal faster. This chip may very well be based on Sunny Cove, which is even faster.
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I am not sure you understood my post. I meant it as it seems the same as the 6950x, as in 10/20 and not having quad channel, but that the new one would be faster despite having dual channel.
 
Hagrid said:
I am not sure you understood my post. I meant it as it seems the same as the 6950x, as in 10/20 and not having quad channel, but that the new one would be faster despite having dual channel.
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I understood you perfectly well. I am saying that your analogy is technically inaccurate, and I have explained it twice now. Stop equivocating this new (rumored) CPU to one based on an architecture first release in 2014. They aren't equivalent.
 
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techguymaxc said:
I understood you perfectly well. I am saying that your analogy is technically inaccurate, and I have explained it twice now. Stop equivocating this new (rumored) CPU to one based on an architecture first release in 2014. They aren't equivalent.
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No, they are not.
 
techguymaxc said:
I understood you perfectly well. I am saying that your analogy is technically inaccurate, and I have explained it twice now. Stop equivocating this new (rumored) CPU to one based on an architecture first release in 2014. They aren't equivalent.
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Wow. I just said they both have 10 core 20 thread. Right? The new one will be faster right? It will probably have dual channel? The x99 has quad channel?
They both would be 10 core 20 thread? Of course the architecture is different, I never said otherwise.

So which part did you not understand? Which part did i get wrong?
 
techguymaxc said:
I understood you perfectly well. I am saying that your analogy is technically inaccurate, and I have explained it twice now. Stop equivocating this new (rumored) CPU to one based on an architecture first release in 2014. They aren't equivalent.
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They are literally the same thing.
 
Master_shake_ said:
can't wait to see 3950x vs 10990k reviews.

amd ahead in everything but 720p gaming.
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AMD isn't going to get any faster in games with Zen 2, and Intel has shown >10% IPC increase with Ice Lake, so if desktop clocks are similar Intel will be leaping ahead again. Which really shouldn't be any sort of revelation.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
AMD isn't going to get any faster in games with Zen 2, and Intel has shown >10% IPC increase with Ice Lake, so if desktop clocks are similar Intel will be leaping ahead again. Which really shouldn't be any sort of revelation.
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odditory said:
Doubtful. All 10 Intel cores at 5.x GHz vs AMD struggling to produce 4.x with the first two cores and all the rest 3.x.
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as i said the intel will be faster in 720p gaming.
 
I think I'll wait for Intel's response to AMD's 3950x before I hop up from my 2700x, at least if we have more solid news by Sept. I need to get the Ryzen 1400 out of my kid's rig one way or another....
 
techguymaxc said:
Not even close. 6950x is Broadwell-E. Comet Lake will, at the very least, be based on Skylake architecture. With any luck it will be based on Sunny Cove, and that's a whole different ballgame.
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It will be Skylake-based. Sunny Cove is for 10nm.

A 10 core Skylake-derivative at current clocks won't change the calculus much. By the time it is released, the 3950X will be available to challenge it in multithreaded tasks, and the single/lightly-threaded calculus is likely to be similar, if not exactly the same as today. It may result in some price-reshuffling for both Intel and AMD lineups, but little else is likely to change. I don't expect a serious clockspeed difference vs the 9900k variants.

When we get a desktop Sunny Cove/Icelake variant (2020 or 2021) it will come with a huge IPC increase, but it appears likely it will result in a clockspeed deficit relative to 14nm CFL variants, mitigating the gains somewhat. AMD will have time to release Zen 3 by then. A modest clockspeed increase and/or a modest IPC increase for Zen 3 > Zen 2 will likely result in the status quo remaining more or less the same.

We have a pretty consistent pattern in the market. Zen derivatives have a deficit in single-thread, but offer more cores. Intel variants have superiority in single-thread, but are expensive to scale core counts with. HOWEVER both companies are slowly approaching each other. I.e. AMD is catching up in single-threaded performance, and Intel is bolting on more cores to catch up in multithreaded performance. Both are challenging silicon limits.

Give it a few years and they both might be in more or less the same spot.
 
odditory said:
Doubtful. All 10 Intel cores at 5.x GHz vs AMD struggling to produce 4.x with the first two cores and all the rest 3.x.
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I'll believe it when I see it, just like I didn't believe Zen 2 was going to be a 5ghz+ part that everyone was hoping for. I'm sure they will release something, but it's going to be power hungry brute force and not run any faster than what they already have a games, while closing the gap to AMD's multithreading scores... which will put it somewhere in the nobody needs it category. If you want a pure gaming CPU, 10/20 won't be any better than what they have available (9900x).. if you need cores... well, the 3950x or TR is your go to... not really sure what this part is meant to satisfy.
 
DuronBurgerMan said:
It will be Skylake-based. Sunny Cove is for 10nm.

A 10 core Skylake-derivative at current clocks won't change the calculus much. By the time it is released, the 3950X will be available to challenge it in multithreaded tasks, and the single/lightly-threaded calculus is likely to be similar, if not exactly the same as today. It may result in some price-reshuffling for both Intel and AMD lineups, but little else is likely to change. I don't expect a serious clockspeed difference vs the 9900k variants.

When we get a desktop Sunny Cove/Icelake variant (2020 or 2021) it will come with a huge IPC increase, but it appears likely it will result in a clockspeed deficit relative to 14nm CFL variants, mitigating the gains somewhat. AMD will have time to release Zen 3 by then. A modest clockspeed increase and/or a modest IPC increase for Zen 3 > Zen 2 will likely result in the status quo remaining more or less the same.

We have a pretty consistent pattern in the market. Zen derivatives have a deficit in single-thread, but offer more cores. Intel variants have superiority in single-thread, but are expensive to scale core counts with. HOWEVER both companies are slowly approaching each other. I.e. AMD is catching up in single-threaded performance, and Intel is bolting on more cores to catch up in multithreaded performance. Both are challenging silicon limits.

Give it a few years and they both might be in more or less the same spot.
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Completely agree, this part will close the gap with multithreading but... meh for gaming vs. what they have already. I really don't see the point of this part honestly. If you need cores, get AMD, if you only game... get the 9900x... this is going to be a pricey part that doesn't really have a purpose imho. Hoping to be proven wrong and it will cause price drops for other processors, but I doubt we'll see this affect the market much.
 
I really don't see the point of this part honestly
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When it is released it should be faster (provided it does have the 5.X GHz clock) than the 3900X. Intel will have no answer for the 3950X. AMD knows that and has priced the 3950X as a result.
 
drescherjm said:
When it is released it should be faster (provided it does have the 5.X GHz clock) than the 3900X. Intel will have no answer for the 3950X. AMD knows that and has priced the 3950X as a result.
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It'll be interesting to see Intel 10 core part vs 3900X. The 3900X has enough of a lead over the 9900k that I suspect it would roughly equal a 10 core part at 9900k clocks +/- a couple hundred MHz. But I am skeptical that a 10 core part on 14nm will be able to exceed 9900k clocks and stay in a reasonable power envelope - except in maybe max single core boost.

My prediction is a rough tie, overall. With a slight lead for the 3900X in multithreaded workloads (less than vs. 9900k), and more or less the same existing 6% difference in gaming.
 
Hopefully this 10 core still has a GPU and isn't an F, Intel's finally giving us high core count processors with quick sync.
 
Hopefully this 10 core still has a GPU and isn't an F, Intel's finally giving us high core count processors with quick sync.
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I would expect the GPU is gone on this one for TDP reasons.
 
drescherjm said:
I would expect the GPU is gone on this one for TDP reasons.
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Yeah, I figured the F this gen had to be a precursor for the next gen and getting us ready for them to drop it. mITX build with an HBA is not going to work.
 
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