I would too and I'm sure AMD would really like to know the reason as well.
Are you by any chance also sensitive to PWM (pulse width modulation) strobing? :-D
But like you said, this is not something that majority of people would notice.
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
I would too and I'm sure AMD would really like to know the reason as well.
Are you by any chance also sensitive to PWM (pulse width modulation) strobing? :-D
But like you said, this is not something that majority of people would notice.
Yes I am.
That is something I have noticed. The Intel systems seem slightly smoother. It was the same way back in the Pentium 4 vs. Athlon 64 days. We always attributed it to Hyperthreading, but that may not be the whole story. To be honest, it's not the sort of thing you notice very often. I only really noticed it with an Intel and an AMD system literally side by side on the test bench. I have two testing setups next to each other with the same monitor and everything.
This is regardless of the CPU used. I've done this test with the 9900K vs. the 3900X and the 3600X up against the 9600K. Its a tiny difference. As I said, you really have to have each system right there and do the same things on both of them like I do in benchmarking them to feel it.
There's at least a fair chance this is the cross-chiplet latency in action. Try assigning affinity manually to the same ccx and see if it goes away?
Since this is the issue I was most suspicious about, I looked trough a lot of different forums both dedicated to various games and new/old ryzen and fixing issues with manual affinity (or ht disabling) has been a recurring theme.
Black desert online seems to have been one of the most problematic cpu intense games, and never fixed from what i gather. New 3000 series takes a huge performance hit in it so it is probably a good test case, and also free.
On the surface, that makes sense. However, I don't think that's it actually. This couldn't have been the case with the Athlon 64, X2, Phenom, Phenom II or Bulldozer. Intel systems have virtually always felt smoother, whether they are as fast or not. If this issue existed before that, I don't recall. I started reviewing motherboards back in the late Pentium 4 days. This was the first time I had the opportunity to go back and fourth between AMD and Intel in the same room and back to back like that. It's something Morry, Kyle and I had talked about back in the day when we were all running Pentium 4's. Obviously, it never stopped us from building and enjoying AMD systems. It's something you notice at the time but its not significant enough that you spend a lot of time thinking about.
As I said, we had always attributed it to Hyperthreading back when we only had single-core CPU's. Kyle even brought it up in the conclusion of one of our motherboard reviews back in 2006 or 2007. Long before chiplets or CCX complexes were a thing.
That is something I have noticed. The Intel systems seem slightly smoother. It was the same way back in the Pentium 4 vs. Athlon 64 days. We always attributed it to Hyperthreading, but that may not be the whole story. To be honest, it's not the sort of thing you notice very often. I only really noticed it with an Intel and an AMD system literally side by side on the test bench. I have two testing setups next to each other with the same monitor and everything.
This is regardless of the CPU used. I've done this test with the 9900K vs. the 3900X and the 3600X up against the 9600K. Its a tiny difference. As I said, you really have to have each system right there and do the same things on both of them like I do in benchmarking them to feel it.
Meanwhile, I can point you to one four way blind test between a 5960X, 1800X, 7700K, and 1700X with three different users that couldn't determine whether any one system was smoother than another.
For reference:
Almost seems like an opinion!
As I said before, it is ONLY something you see when you have the two absolutely side by side and work with them allot doing different things. I am currently using an AMD CPU in my main rig. It's obviously not that big of a deal to me.
On the surface, that makes sense. However, I don't think that's it actually. This couldn't have been the case with the Athlon 64, X2, Phenom, Phenom II or Bulldozer. Intel systems have virtually always felt smoother, whether they are as fast or not. If this issue existed before that, I don't recall. I started reviewing motherboards back in the late Pentium 4 days. This was the first time I had the opportunity to go back and fourth between AMD and Intel in the same room and back to back like that. It's something Morry, Kyle and I had talked about back in the day when we were all running Pentium 4's. Obviously, it never stopped us from building and enjoying AMD systems. It's something you notice at the time but its not significant enough that you spend a lot of time thinking about.
As I said, we had always attributed it to Hyperthreading back when we only had single-core CPU's. Kyle even brought it up in the conclusion of one of our motherboard reviews back in 2006 or 2007. Long before chiplets or CCX complexes were a thing.
On the surface, that makes sense. However, I don't think that's it actually. This couldn't have been the case with the Athlon 64, X2, Phenom, Phenom II or Bulldozer. Intel systems have virtually always felt smoother, whether they are as fast or not. If this issue existed before that, I don't recall. I started reviewing motherboards back in the late Pentium 4 days. This was the first time I had the opportunity to go back and fourth between AMD and Intel in the same room and back to back like that. It's something Morry, Kyle and I had talked about back in the day when we were all running Pentium 4's. Obviously, it never stopped us from building and enjoying AMD systems. It's something you notice at the time but its not significant enough that you spend a lot of time thinking about.
As I said, we had always attributed it to Hyperthreading back when we only had single-core CPU's. Kyle even brought it up in the conclusion of one of our motherboard reviews back in 2006 or 2007. Long before chiplets or CCX complexes were a thing.
I have experienced the exact same thing as well. Hyperthreading was a large part of that, but AMD also had the worst subsystems in existence. Poor USB means interrupts on your key strokes and mouse movement. Crap ATA and SATA controllers resulting in poor hard drive performance, resulting in longer indexing time which slowed windows down. All of that contributed to the AMD systems not feeling smooth. Intel simply decimated AMD in that area.
Huge improvements happened (FINALLY) in those areas in the Athlon X2 era.
Can't speak to Zen though. Haven't tried any other those systems yet.
To be fair, a good chunk of AMD's weird issues back in the Athlon era was due to Via's god-awful chipsets. AMD's own chipsets were usually fine, if uninspiring in performance. And the nForce chipsets were usually okay. But Via? Worst. Shit. Ever. Made.
Chipset and chipset drivers, man. VIA got better at it and then straight up disappeared; I was surprised that AMD didn't use them for Ryzen. Or even Realtek.
And we can't be too sure how AMD's new X570 chipset is going to fair in daily use either though so far they've been pretty stellar.
I've had no issues with X370. Chipset side of things has been excellent. Memory compatibility has been a bitch, but that's more the fault of the CPU's memory controller than the chipset proper.
Not sure if X570 will continue that trend, but I don't see a big reason for it not to.