Poll: AMD RX 5700 Series vs NVidia RTX Super. Which gets your money?

AMD RX 5700 Series vs NVidia RTX Super. Which gets your money?

  • NVidia RTX 2060 (old 6GB version)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • AMD RX 5700

    Votes: 18 7.2%

  • NVidia RTX 2060 Super

    Votes: 12 4.8%

  • AMD RX 5700 XT

    Votes: 81 32.5%

  • NVidia RTX 2070 Super

    Votes: 30 12.0%

  • Already have close enough/better AMD card for now, waiting on next big thing

    Votes: 19 7.6%

  • Already have close enough/better NVidia card for now, waiting on next big thing

    Votes: 89 35.7%
  • Total voters
    249
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My takeaway from the power play table mods going around is that the 5700xt has some room to OC and benefits from better cooling. (Shocking I know). So if we get a nice Strix or Nitro version with a factory OC and somehow it’s cheaper than a 2070 super it's interesting and a competitive alternative. RTX notwithstanding obviously.
 
Stoly said:
I currently have a GTX1070Ti. I only considered the RTX2070 as an upgrade. But now I would consider the RTX 2060 Super
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Which is crazy, because the 5700xt is the same price and faster in most games.
 
amenx said:
Yes, I can appreciate it from that sense, but those doing so are therefore not really looking at the better value aspect nor care which card is a better buy (as implied by the poll), but more for enthusiasts who enjoy the added work involved. The benchmark shown is not really to help people make up their minds (as its misleading), but just a FYI thing if one decides to liquid cool the card.
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I dont think a liquid cooler is needed, I would think a good air cooler would get the job done.
 
Stoly said:
Really? I tought the 2060 super was cheaper.
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Here are the retail prices:
$349 RTX 2060
$399 RTX 2060 SUPER

$349 RX 5700
$399 RX 5700xt

So what is your favorite/most played game? ​


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Pick a game... or a handful of favorites. Navi will provide a competitive Price/performance, because AMD is now the Premium brand, with a premium new architecture in RDNA>
 
Stoly said:
Really? I tought the 2060 super was cheaper.
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About the same price, on average 2060S is 95% as fast as 5700XT according to TPU (see link below), in my opinion, moving from a 1070Ti to 2060S or 5700XT feels more like a side grade to me, but if you care more about getting the highest FPS and not so much about Raytracing, then a 5700XT is a better bet though a 2060S is no slouch on its own. I said this on another thread, best to look at multiple reviews to get a clearer picture of what is going on before making a decision.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/28.html
 
Gamer X said:
Here are the retail prices:
$349 RTX 2060
$399 RTX 2060 SUPER

$349 RX 5700
$399 RX 5700xt

So what is your favorite/most played game? ​


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Pick a game... or a handful of favorites. Navi will provide a competitive Price/performance, because AMD is now the Premium brand, with a premium new architecture in RDNA>
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I thought the 570XT was $449, but that's the anniversary edition.

I'm skipping this gen anyway, 2020 looks really interesting with Intel getting into the game, Navi20 and Ampere. Finally RT at 4k/60?
 
Snowdog said:
Very similar to people upgrading from Vega to Navi.

But they are both small upgrades, that I wouldn't do either. Just pointing out that it is a little more than a side-grade.
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Well I went from a GTX1070 to a GTX1070Ti, and even though I wouldn't even call it a sidegrade, I did feel the extra oomph.

Only got it because it was basically free from the profits of mining ETH and it cost almost the same as the normal GTX1070 (whici also paid itself via mining)

I was really curious about RTX and DLSS so I was tempted to get a RTX 2070, the super models brought the itching back, but now I realize the current state on both RTX and DLSS is dissapointing to say the least.

But who knows, if the price is right I just might bite the bullet...
 
Stoly said:
Well I went from a GTX1070 to a GTX1070Ti, and even though I wouldn't even call it a sidegrade, I did feel the extra oomph.

Only got it because it was basically free from the profits of mining ETH and it cost almost the same as the normal GTX1070 (whici also paid itself via mining)

I was really curious about RTX and DLSS so I was tempted to get a RTX 2070, the super models brought the itching back, but now I realize the current state on both RTX and DLSS is dissapointing to say the least.

But who knows, if the price is right I just might bite the bullet...
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You confuse RTX with DXR?
 
Gamer X said:
AMD is now the Premium brand, with a premium new architecture in RDNA>
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This needs to go in a signature. The 'premium brand' just released their 'premium gaming GPU' with one of the shittiest blowers seen in years, as the only option. Oh, and there's plenty of performance left on the table too- for whatever reason. They certainly weren't trying to compete with the real premium brand.

Perhaps, premium noise generator? Premium cooling inhibitor?

Lol.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
This needs to go in a signature. The 'premium brand' just released their 'premium gaming GPU' with one of the shittiest blowers seen in years, as the only option. Oh, and there's plenty of performance left on the table too- for whatever reason. They certainly weren't trying to compete with the real premium brand.

Perhaps, premium noise generator? Premium cooling inhibitor?

Lol.
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Viral marketing at it's lamest. I've seen much better from AMD.
 
Gamer X said:
Here are the retail prices:
$349 RTX 2060
$399 RTX 2060 SUPER

$349 RX 5700
$399 RX 5700xt

So what is your favorite/most played game? ​


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Pick a game... or a handful of favorites. Navi will provide a competitive Price/performance, because AMD is now the Premium brand, with a premium new architecture in RDNA>
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Thanks, you are the first individual to be put on my ignore list. You should make an AMD fanboy website and call it AMDZone.


Have a wonderful day spreading false information about your favorite company.
 
Rvenger said:
Thanks, you are the first individual to be put on my ignore list. You should make an AMD fanboy website and call it AMDZone.


Have a wonderful day spreading false information about your favorite company.
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But I am not.
I own many Nvidia cards and have only used nvidia exclusively for the last 7 years in my main gaming rig... as I speak I have an Acer x34 and an EVGA RTX2080. I have several EVGA gpus laying around. I am not a fanboy of anything, I am a grown adult who works hard for his toys. Obvious is obvious and if you can not see it, it is because you are a snowflake unwilling to crawl out from your safety rock.


Secondly, without an retort from you, your opinion of me means nothing. You bailed out of a valid attempt to rebuttal my comments, but instead you choose to hide from the truth and put the messenger on ignore... we all know shooting the messenger is defense mechanism, as you are coming to terms with reality.


So WHAT did I suggest/say that angered you so much? …that AMD is now the premium brand?

AMD's mainstream offerings:
-7nm
-GDDR6 448 GB/s
-PCIe 4.0
-RDNA (Brand new gaming architecture)

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AMD simply outclasses... Nvidia's offerings.

That is the way I see it, because I am building two x570 rigs soon and want the latest tech in my gaming rig. And an overpriced burnt-out CAD/Pro card isn't what Gamer's are demanding, or want. (Hence the Radeon Vii going EOL). They want a gpu meant for gamers.

Many of the people I work with are also building new rigs. They all still competitively play old FPS games, on 7 year old 1080p Intel rigs (mostly). (My RTX is powered by my Devil's Canyon, so...). But my friends and acquaintances don't have time to fussle over hardware anymore... and simply rely on the techies in the group to direct them. We just want to play out games and our wives understand a new $3k rig (for the career dad), when you work hard and all the kids have $1k phones, so... time to upgrade.


RDNA all the way.
It makes sense in any situation given what we know now today and what Navi is doing to it's competition. And as such, nobody I know/talked to on my floor has an issue dropping in big navi when that hits and fending little sis into another gaming rig.



ed: You People may get as angry as you want, but you will still be gaming on RDNA next year..
 
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Gamer X said:
AMD's mainstream offerings:
-7nm
-GDDR6 448 GB/s
-PCIe 4.0
-RDNA (Brand new gaming architecture)
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None of these things matter. None of them represent realized performance.

Your flailings while grasping marketing materials reinforces points made about you above.

Navi may be okay for what it is, but it is obsolete technology upon release, and the first release has been pretty bad- to the point of being 'not recommended' in its current form.

And yet here you are regurgitating propaganda on a tech forum.
 
Gamer X said:
But I am not.
I own many Nvidia card and have only used nvidia for the last 7 Years in my main gaming rig... as I speak I have an Acer x34 and an EVGA RTX2080. I have several EVGA gpu laying around. I am not a fanboy of anything, I am a grown adult who works hard for his toys. Obvious is obvious and if you can not see it, it is because you are a snowflake unwilling to crawl out from your safety rock.


Secondly, without an retort from you, your opinion of me means nothing. You bailed out of a valid attempt to rebuttal my comments, but instead you choose to hide from the truth and put the messenger on ignore...
We all know shooting the messenger is defense mechanism, as you are coming to terms with reality.


So WHAT did I suggest/say that angered you so much? …that AMD is now the premium brand?

AMD's mainstream offerings:
-7nm
-GDDR6 448 GB/s
-PCIe 4.0
-RDNA (Brand new gaming architecture)

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AMD simply outclasses Nvidia's offerings. That is the way I see it, because I am building two x570 rigs soon and want the latest tech in my gaming rig. And an overpriced burnt-out CAD/Pro card isn't what Gamer's are demanding, or want. (Hence the Radeon Vii going EOL). They want a gpu meant for gamers.

Many of the people I work with are also building new rigs. They all still competitively play old FPS games, on 7 year old 1080p Intel rigs (mostly). (My RTX is powered by my Devil's Canyon, so...). But my friends and acquaintances don't have time to fussle over hardware anymore... and simply rely on the techies in the group to direct them. We just want to play out games and our wives understand a new $3k rig (for the career dad), when you work hard and all the kids have $1k phones, so... time to upgrade.


RDNA all the way.
It makes sense in any situation given what we know now today and what Navi is doing to it's competition. And as such, nobody I know/talked to on my floor has an issue dropping in big navi when that hits and fending little sis into another gaming rig.



ed:
You People may get as angry as you want, but you will still be gaming on RDNA next year..
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Premium Brand means something completely different between you and me.

Just to kill your "Premium Brand" argument. No RTX2080Ti competitor... No premium brand.

AMD has always been seen as the "VALUE" brand, be it CPUs or GPUs. Even theadripper and Ryzen are not seen as premium products even though they pretty much destroy intel offerings.

That said, Navi is a step in the right direction. Its been a while since AMD has brought some serious competition. Both RX5700 and 5700XT can be seen as a better value than the RTX2060 Super and RTX2070 Super respectively. Unless you are willing to pay the "RTX" tax.

In the end, I think you really can't go wrong either way and that's great for gamers.

BTW next year the scope could change drastically with the advent of Intel, Navi 20 and Ampere. I wouldn't dare to declare a winner just yet.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
None of these things matter. None of them represent realized performance.

Your flailings while grasping marketing materials reinforces points made about you above.

Navi may be okay for what it is, but it is obsolete technology upon release, and the first release has been pretty bad- to the point of being 'not recommended' in its current form.

And yet here you are regurgitating propaganda on a tech forum.
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I am sorry, does your OPINION matter..?

Then express yourself... as to why me Illustrating facts & providing my opinion on them, doesn't matter. Are you trying to say my points do not matter, because you can't counter them..? Because you know you can't counter facts... right?

So why are you here refuting my opinion of these facts? What is the reasoning behind your reponses, to show your disdain..?



Secondly, you clearly will not accept those stated facts and are trying desperately to call Navi obsolete technology! When in fact, it is Nvidia that is using old node process and using 2 year old architecture and half-baked outdated EOL tech & is lagging behind in innovation... not-to-mention will be a year away from 7nm.

Sorry that bothers you, there is nothing you can do about it. Whatever you do, don't buy an Xbox, or Playstation either... cuz RDNA.

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Stoly said:
Premium Brand means something completely different between you and me.

Just to kill your "Premium Brand" argument. No RTX2080Ti competitor... No premium brand.

AMD has always been seen as the "VALUE" brand, be it CPUs or GPUs. Even theadripper and Ryzen are not seen as premium products even though they pretty much destroy intel offerings.

That said, Navi is a step in the right direction. Its been a while since AMD has brought some serious competition. Both RX5700 and 5700XT can be seen as a better value than the RTX2060 Super and RTX2070 Super respectively. Unless you are willing to pay the "RTX" tax.

In the end, I think you really can't go wrong either way and that's great for gamers.

BTW next year the scope could change drastically with the advent of Intel, Navi 20 and Ampere. I wouldn't dare to declare a winner just yet.
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Well... don't confuse premium market, for premium brand.
And You are correct, AMD has always been seen as the "Value" brand. But that has all changes, hasn't it...?


AMD is now the Performance brand. Navi is showing the Industry what a little 251mm^2 chip can do.... it even outclasses Vega @ 7nm and on the heels of the 2070 Super. Nvidia is re-releasing the Turing 2080 Super in just 2 weeks and nixing the 2080, but none of that matters to anybody... because I (like almost everybody else who is an nvidia fan) already have my 2080 and not going to buy a SUPER. Nor is anybody who already owns an RTX. It is too big, too costly, too old, too slow & too lethargic to compete with little ole $399 Navi. AMD has shown us that more RDNA is better than less.

If the $699 Radeon Vii is EOL.... then that means AMD must have a replacement for it incoming.. Thus, logic dictates that if little-navi is this good in the mainstream market, then big-navi will be even better in the premium market...!


(y)
 
Gamer X said:
Well... don't confuse premium market, for premium brand.
And You are correct, AMD has always been seen as the "Value" brand. But that has all changes, hasn't it...?(y)
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Yes it could change, but it hasn't yet.

AMD is now the Performance brand. Navi is showing the Industry what a little 251mm^2 chip can do.... it even outclasses Vega @ 7nm and on the heels of the 2070 Super. Nvidia is re-releasing the Turing 2080 Super in just 2 weeks and nixing the 2080, but none of that matters to anybody... because I (like almost everybody else who is an nvidia fan) already have my 2080 and not going to buy a SUPER. Nor is anybody who already owns an RTX. It is too big, too costly, too old, too slow & too lethargic to compete with little ole $399 Navi. AMD has shown us that more RDNA is better than less.
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So now its not premium, its performance... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sorry to bust your bubble, but Nvidia wins in performance. Why? because its faster. Period. And calling the RTX2080 too slow? compared to what? BTW since you hate your 2080 so much, I'll be happy to offer you $199 for it since its TOO OLD and TOO LETHARGIC.
 
As Stoly said, you can't be a performance brand if you can't best the performance of your competitors offerings. Outside of HEDT they are all value as of right now.

There is nothing wrong with being a value brand as long as it is a good value. And that's exactly what AMD is doing.

What is scary for AMD is that both of it's product lineups that are finally competing well have the major advantage of being built on smaller processes. The real fight for them is staying competitive over the next couple years when Intel and Nvidia also move to smaller processes.
 
Stoly said:
Yes it could change, but it hasn't yet.


So now its not premium, its performance... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sorry to bust your bubble, but Nvidia wins in performance. Why? because its faster. Period. And calling the RTX2080 too slow? compared to what? BTW since you hate your 2080 so much, I'll be happy to offer you $199 for it since its TOO OLD and TOO LETHARGIC.
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Sorry Stoly, but the performance metric and the entire GPU has just changed.

So much so that Jensen released the SUPERs and disappeared. I can show you some 20+ reviews from across the tech industry showing you that Navi beats Turing in performance... & in price... and subsequently in price/performance, along with other metrics, as well. (You know this, if you read any of them.)

So, you can't say "nothing has changed"... or that "you are bursting anybody's bubble".... you are not dealing with facts. AMD has the better performing choices.



It seems Your retort/argument is that the $399 5700xt doesn't compete with the $799 RTX 2080, so AMD is fail...? If you are unable to differentiate the market segments into low-medium-high then nothing more I say will help you, or will enable you to be taken seriously.
 
I think Stoly is just pointing out that if you are comparing Nvidia's mid tier offerings with AMD's High end offerings of a similar price then you are in fact arguing that AMD is a better VALUE. AMD has better performing choices at specific price points. That in no way makes them a better performing brand in terms of raw performance.

If you are someone who needs more performance than the 5700xt offers, then AMD has nothing for you. Nvidia does, at a much higher (premium) price point. This makes Nvidia the Performance, and Premium brand.

I'm pretty sure you must just be trolling Stoly at this point so I am going to slowly..... back.... out... of..... the.... room...... LOL
 
Gamer X said:
Sorry Stoly, but the performance metric and the entire GPU has just changed.

So much so that Jensen released the SUPERs and disappeared. I can show you some 20+ reviews from across the tech industry showing you that Navi beats Turing in performance... & in price... and subsequently in price/performance, along with other metrics, as well. (You know this, if you read any of them.)

So, you can't say "nothing has changed"... or that "you are bursting anybody's bubble".... you are not dealing with facts. AMD has the better performing choices.



It seems Your retort/argument is that the $399 5700xt doesn't compete with the $799 RTX 2080, so AMD is fail...? If you are unable to differentiate the market segments into low-medium-high then nothing more I say will help you, or will enable you to be taken seriously.
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Ok so first it was premium, then performance and now price/performance. You know what? I'll give you the last one. Gotta take into account that AMD was forced to lower the price when nvidia released the RTX super, but still.

As I said before, you really can't go wrong with any, but suggesting AMD has turned things around and is now king... not quite there yet. But we'll see in a few months when we see market share figures. If Navi helps AMD get back some much needed market share, that's fine by me.
 
Guys. Don't feed the troll.

As it is, RIGHT now I'd buy a 5700XT AND an aftermarket cooler. And I'd still be under the $500 mental block of an RTX2070S.

Being I just bought a 2 ton AC unit for the garage, I got another month or two before I'm upgrading my GTX 1070. The 2080S has me curious if it indeed launches at $700-$800 and the bang for the buck gets better like it did w/ the 2060/2070 versions.

More than likely by the end of August, I'll end up with an AIB 5700XT at around $450 I'm guessing, as I recently bought the LG 34GK950F.

Depending on the games launching in the fall (specifically CoD: ModernWarfare) I may hock both and go Super w/ G-sync and enjoy RTX, more than likely waiting for the next flagship though.
 
Just makes me want to see what big custom air can do for nearly free (aside from tinker time).

IdiotInCharge said:
This needs to go in a signature. Oh, and there's plenty of performance left on the table too- for whatever reason.
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So AMD sucks when they clock to limits and also suck when they leave food on the OC table? Sure thing!
 
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N4CR said:
So AMD sucks when they clock to limits and also suck when they leave food on the OC table? Sure thing!
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They suck when the cooler that they ship all cards of a release is as bad as the one on the 5700 / 5700 XT. Not only is their blower notably worse than some of their more terrible recent examples in terms of cooling, it's extremely loud too!

You don't even get the option to trade one for the other, after you don't get the option to get a better cooler period.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
They suck when the cooler that they ship all cards of a release is as bad as the one on the 5700 / 5700 XT. Not only is their blower notably worse than some of their more terrible recent examples in terms of cooling, it's extremely loud too!

You don't even get the option to trade one for the other, after you don't get the option to get a better cooler period.
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I don't understand how the OEMs they use as an excuse for the blower style even put up with it. Ok, sure, maybe it ventilates the case better than an open fan design... But the noise, who would chance that in your pre-built?

Just doesn't make sense.
 
And missing out on sales. I would have jacked the credit card and bought one already if it weren't for the stock blower.

I'm sure I'm not alone in that fact, and there's probably an even bigger percentage that went 2060S/2070S instead.
 
Hardly a issue as non reference designs are coming. Seems like the cards have good headroom if they have good cooling and will likely make the nonreference designs more popular. These current ones are great if your thinking about water cooling them.
 
Gideon said:
Hardly a issue as non reference designs are coming. Seems like the cards have good headroom if they have good cooling and will likely make the nonreference designs more popular. These current ones are great if your thinking about water cooling them.
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They should have launched on 7/7 then. They didn't. I'm not about to invest in watercooling for a midrange card. I dunno what a loop costs these days, but I bet by the time you're done from scratch you're 2 or 3 tiers above the 5700XT, just buy a better card to begin with.

Lots of issues with it. It's derailed this entire thread, and been mentioned in EVERY review. Everyone notices the blower.
 
coynatha said:
They should have launched on 7/7 then. They didn't. I'm not about to invest in watercooling for a midrange card. I dunno what a loop costs these days, but I bet by the time you're done from scratch you're 2 or 3 tiers above the 5700XT, just buy a better card to begin with.

Lots of issues with it. It's derailed this entire thread, and been mentioned in EVERY review. Everyone notices the blower.
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Some of us already own water cooling system so it's only the cost of the block. Yeah would have been nice if they were launched at the same time but that is pretty common for AMD and even on the Nvidia side there is usually a delay until you can get custom cooling cards. It's really be overblown by a few and I can say that as a former 290x owner as they were hot and somewhat loud but that card did everything I wanted. Also keep in mind almost every review is a open bench setup where you will here it more then in a case where it belongs.
 
This thread didn’t disappoint.

Also, AMD is not a premium brand. You need to lead in performance, quality, and features. A solid choice for some use cases, but “premium” is laughable.
 
Gideon said:
Some of us already own water cooling system so it's only the cost of the block. Yeah would have been nice if they were launched at the same time but that is pretty common for AMD and even on the Nvidia side there is usually a delay until you can get custom cooling cards. It's really be overblown by a few and I can say that as a former 290x owner as they were hot and somewhat loud but that card did everything I wanted. Also keep in mind almost every review is a open bench setup where you will here it more then in a case where it belongs.
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Wouldn't it be better if AMD just designed a better cooler from the outset, rather than asking us to make a list of caveats?

NV's coolers are much better this time than the horrible blowers they were using. I'd sure like to see AMD do the same.
 
The Navi cards may be great when the custom cooled AIB versions arrive (when?). Its just mind-blowing how AMD knows how to wreck first impressions by only having the fan blower designs reviewed first and sitting for weeks as the initial poor impressions seep in the minds of buyers as they decide which cards to buy. Again, I'm sure all be OK for Navi when the AIB cards are out, but 6 months from now those initial poor reviews will still be up and dominate google searches.

p.s. the initial reviews were actually generally positive, but only for those who dont pay attention to details like noise/temps.
 
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PhaseNoise said:
Wouldn't it be better if AMD just designed a better cooler from the outset, rather than asking us to make a list of caveats?

NV's coolers are much better this time than the horrible blowers they were using. I'd sure like to see AMD do the same.
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Here is the problem, if they waste resources on a better cooler then they have to recoup that cost plus the added component cost of a better cooler. So now lets say they have to charge 25 bucks more for the card and now people are whining about the costs of the cards and how they wish AMD had spent less on the cooler they didnt want anyway. Literally AMD cant win there and a bog standard blower card is fine, Id rather wish they would give their partners the cards sooner so you had day 1 AIB's available. AIB's are coming and for those that hate the blowers they can get a card then if they want.
 
Gideon said:
Here is the problem, if they waste resources on a better cooler then they have to recoup that cost plus the added component cost of a better cooler. So now lets say they have to charge 25 bucks more for the card and now people are whining about the costs of the cards and how they wish AMD had spent less on the cooler they didnt want anyway. Literally AMD cant win there and a bog standard blower card is fine, Id rather wish they would give their partners the cards sooner so you had day 1 AIB's available. AIB's are coming and for those that hate the blowers they can get a card then if they want.
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There's a huge launch day perception which later AIBs will have to overcome in the mass market. People are reading reviews now, and forming their opinions. Folks here will track updates and understand the inevitability of improved models, but the more casual person looking at upgrades and hearing about new chips often does not. Their opinion will be cemented with whatever shipped.

It is a tough position, no doubt. At least there is a pretty solid design in there, even if the cooling is a bit compromised at first launch.
 
PhaseNoise said:
There's a huge launch day perception which later AIBs will have to overcome in the mass market. People are reading reviews now, and forming their opinions. Folks here will track updates and understand the inevitability of improved models, but the more casual person looking at upgrades and hearing about new chips often does not. Their opinion will be cemented with whatever shipped.

It is a tough position, no doubt. At least there is a pretty solid design in there, even if the cooling is a bit compromised at first launch.
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Agreed.

A lot of "Same old hot and loud AMD" out there already.
 
Gideon said:
Here is the problem, if they waste resources on a better cooler then they have to recoup that cost plus the added component cost of a better cooler. So now lets say they have to charge 25 bucks more for the card and now people are whining about the costs of the cards and how they wish AMD had spent less on the cooler they didnt want anyway. Literally AMD cant win there and a bog standard blower card is fine, Id rather wish they would give their partners the cards sooner so you had day 1 AIB's available. AIB's are coming and for those that hate the blowers they can get a card then if they want.
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50th anniversary edition should have had a better cooler hands down.
 
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