Microsoft Updated its terms of service

Lakados said:
Don't have the device connected to the internet when you create the account and it will not prompt your for any online credentials and let you make a local one, just finished reimaging 15 old desktops with home edition with the latest version created this morning using the windows media creation tool as I am decommissioning them and donating them to the local library and computer access center.

It will force you to choose 3 security questions though..... most annoying so I just did up some BS answers and sent those over to their tech teams for references.
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Interesting because on the computer I just did yesterday, with the Home Edition v1903, it did not ask me 3 security questions and I did not have to disconnect the network connection. Did you image the systems or did you do a clean install?
 
Mazzspeed said:
That is the installer screen, the OOBE 'is cloud based', it is downloaded from Microsoft's servers every time you install Windows even if you do not change install media.

So, once again for those that cant read, you cannot create a local account under Windows 10 Home anymore upon installation if you get the OOBE I've experienced about the last twenty times I installed Windows 10 Home.



That's 1809 and I want to update while installing so these machines will be connected to the internet while installing as there's always updates available, eventually the OOBE in the install media will be changed to reflect this limitation anyway.

You'll always twist criticism of Windows like Microsoft are your mates, are you aware of that? I may seem negative in relation to Windows, but there's a difference between negative and realistic.
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What the hell are you talking about, get the OOBE because you are clearly not doing a clean install.
 
ManofGod said:
Interesting because on the computer I just did yesterday, with the Home Edition v1903, it did not ask me 3 security questions and I did not have to disconnect the network connection. Did you image the systems or did you do a clean install?
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I was just using a USB key I made with the media creation tool. Fresh install on a repurposed HDD, gotta keep the SSD’s in house. That said I never connected them to the network and they pulled their license keys from the Dell UEFI.
 
ManofGod said:
What the hell are you talking about, get the OOBE because you are clearly not doing a clean install.
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The question is 'what part about the Windows 10 installer contains an OOBE that's cloud based' don't YOU understand?

You try to act intellectually superior, the fact is you're no more than a fanboi blindly defending Windows at all costs with barely any comprehension as to how the Windows 10 install process actually works.

When I pull a brand new SSD out of the box and install it in a machine I think it comes as no surprise to anyone that there's no operating system installed. Therefore, yes, I am doing a clean install from unmodified Microsoft install media.
 
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ManofGod said:
You cannot use a pin without a password. Also, you can use a pin that is longer than 4 digits, if you want.
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You obviously haven't installed Windows 10 Home in a while when two people now are telling you how the cloud based aspect of the installation process has changed and you're hellbent on blindly claiming otherwise. Don't try claiming you installed Windows 10 Home connected to the internet yesterday and it all worked fine, because it's obvious that's not the case.

There is no option for a password, there is only an option for a PIN. I usually find there is more than one cloud based OOBE portion of the installer at any one time, but under Windows 10 Home this is the one I've got time and time again as late.

My God, I even posted screenshots proving my claims FFS! What do you think? Do you think I Photoshopped them! :D
 
Mazzspeed said:
Windows 10, by default, has a 'cloud based OOBE as part of the default installation process'. I am not talking about any OOBE that I have personally created.
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Ooooh that one.... yeah no...... GLHF 07....
That’s an uphill battle I want no part of.
If you are looking for a fresh clean install do yourself a huge favour just get a cheap USB key and build up the media using the creation tool (it’s free). Gives way more options and doesn’t make your soul cry.

The one you are using I think will update/upgrade/reset the existing users profile but it is wanting that same users info back in. I am not sure what your desired end goal is but I don’t think that is the tool you want for the job.
 
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Mazzspeed said:
The question is 'what part about the Windows 10 installer contains an OOBE that's cloud based' don't YOU understand?

You try to act intellectually superior, the fact is you're no more than a fanboi blindly defending Windows at all costs with barely any comprehension as to how the Windows 10 install process actually works.

When I pull a brand new SSD out of the box and install it in a machine I think it comes as no surprise to anyone that there's no operating system installed. Therefore, yes, I am doing a clean install from unmodified Microsoft install media.
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What media is it? Is it some sort of disc that was supplied with the machine? Acer/ASUS/MSI and a few others are terrible about modifying the installers to strip out parts and have it relay data back to them in the process. The official Microsoft Media Creation Tool is just about the best way to go about installing windows unless you are creating a custom image on your own.
 
Lakados said:
What media is it? Is it some sort of disc that was supplied with the machine? Acer/ASUS/MSI and a few others are terrible about modifying the installers to strip out parts and have it relay data back to them in the process. The official Microsoft Media Creation Tool is just about the best way to go about installing windows unless you are creating a custom image on your own.
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It was media created using the media creation tool direct from Microsoft. Once again, a portion of the installer called the OOBE is cloud based so that MS can change aspects of the installer on the fly. It is downloaded as you go through the installation process, eventually it becomes part of the actual ISO.

Lakados said:
Ooooh that one.... yeah no...... GLHF 07....
That’s an uphill battle I want no part of.
If you are looking for a fresh clean install do yourself a huge favour just get a cheap USB key and build up the media using the creation tool (it’s free). Gives way more options and doesn’t make your soul cry.

The one you are using I think will update/upgrade/reset the existing users profile but it is wanting that same users info back in. I am not sure what your desired end goal is but I don’t think that is the tool you want for the job.
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See above. I can't believe Windows users don't know this. Although it is the sort of thing you wouldn't notice if you weren't installing multiple machines a day off identical media.
 
Mazzspeed said:
The question is 'what part about the Windows 10 installer contains an OOBE that's cloud based' don't YOU understand?

You try to act intellectually superior, the fact is you're no more than a fanboi blindly defending Windows at all costs with barely any comprehension as to how the Windows 10 install process actually works.

When I pull a brand new SSD out of the box and install it in a machine I think it comes as no surprise to anyone that there's no operating system installed. Therefore, yes, I am doing a clean install from unmodified Microsoft install media.
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Dude, just please drop it, not really sure what is with the attitude but Lakados showed me what you were referring to without the attitude, just saying. ;)
 
Mazzspeed said:
It was media created using the media creation tool direct from Microsoft. Once again, a portion of the installer called the OOBE is cloud based so that MS can change aspects of the installer on the fly. It is downloaded as you go through the installation process, eventually it becomes part of the actual ISO.



See above. I can't believe Windows users don't know this. Although it is the sort of thing you wouldn't notice if you weren't installing multiple machines a day off identical media.
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It’s just that using this very tool I did 15 of them just yesterday and had 0 problems creating all local accounts for all 15 of them named them all User and have them no email address or password all of them home edition. So I am not sure how you are having all these problems so I am trying to understand what you are doing.
 
Lakados said:
It’s just that using this very tool I did 15 of them just yesterday and had 0 problems creating all local accounts for all 15 of them named them all User and have them no email address or password all of them home edition. So I am not sure how you are having all these problems so I am trying to understand what you are doing.
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I just did a 1903 Home install the other day. Created my installer though the MCT from Microsoft. Option was right there to use a local account instead, and the computer was connected to the Internet at that time. I think Mazzspeed missed a step in his more recent installation.
 
Mazz is stuck on repeat, either misunderstanding or willfully ignoring the testimony of other users.

I have also used the official W10 media creation tool to make a bootable USB and install W10 on a computer in the past week. I was able to make a local account. I even avoided the insane requirement of setting three security questions (protip: set no password during installation, change the local account password after booting into W10).

If anyone is in disbelief that this is possible, I will document the process.
 
ManofGod said:
Dude, just please drop it, not really sure what is with the attitude but Lakados showed me what you were referring to without the attitude, just saying. ;)
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That's another thing you do, you constantly attack others for not blindly defending Windows then play the victim when others retaliate with the same attitude.

jardows said:
I just did a 1903 Home install the other day. Created my installer though the MCT from Microsoft. Option was right there to use a local account instead, and the computer was connected to the Internet at that time. I think Mazzspeed missed a step in his more recent installation.
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M4rk said:
Mazz is stuck on repeat, either misunderstanding or willfully ignoring the testimony of other users.

I have also used the official W10 media creation tool to make a bootable USB and install W10 on a computer in the past week. I was able to make a local account. I even avoided the insane requirement of setting three security questions (protip: set no password during installation, change the local account password after booting into W10).

If anyone is in disbelief that this is possible, I will document the process.
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As stated, ONCE AGAIN, the OOBE is web based and there is usually more than one at any one time using identical unmodified boot media straight from Microsoft - If you don't install Windows daily you probably won't notice this.

Two of us have stated now, for many the process has changed and there is no way around the creation of a Microsoft account ONLY on fresh install at the OOBE account creation screen. Once again, there is no way around this. Two of us have mentioned the change along with the nessecity to set a PIN instead of a password and I have provided screenshots of the actual change - You can't argue with a damn screen shot and I'd just love to know how I can miss a step, especially in the last twenty or so times I installed Windows 10 Home - Nice try, but it didn't happen I'm afraid.

If I'm on repeat it's because the fanbois have their fingers in their ears to protect themselves from any form of negativity regarding Windows, what you should be doing is calling Microsoft out and standing up for yourselves. There's a name for this behavior: Stockholm Syndrome, as a result of decades of capitalist brainwashing and conditioning.
 
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chaos4u said:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/upcoming.aspx
interesting tid bit,

b. To the extent necessary to provide the Services to you and others, to protect you and the Services, and to improve Microsoft products and services, you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content


debate it how ever you like as a necessity ... but that is a very broad licenses and give MS the right to use any thing of yours that they want.

also the code of conduct i interesting to ..

better keep in check that potty mouth while gaming as you may find your MS service terminated lol...
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Since most businesses make you sign these onerous terms, who gets my IP if I invent something at work and I am using Office 365?

Also @#$% Microsoft. They can have any MS Paint images I send over MSN dialup lol!
 
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Mazzspeed said:
That's another thing you do, you constantly attack others for not blindly defending Windows then play the victim when others retaliate with the same attitude.





As stated, ONCE AGAIN, the OOBE is web based and there is usually more than one at any one time using identical unmodified boot media straight from Microsoft - If you don't install Windows daily you probably won't notice this.

Two of us have stated now, for many the process has changed and there is no way around the creation of a Microsoft account ONLY on fresh install at the OOBE account creation screen. Once again, there is no way around this. Two of us have mentioned the change along with the nessecity to set a PIN instead of a password and I have provided screenshots of the actual change - You can't argue with a damn screen shot and I'd just love to know how I can miss a step, especially in the last twenty or so times I installed Windows 10 Home - Nice try, but it didn't happen I'm afraid.

If I'm on repeat it's because the fanbois have their fingers in their ears to protect themselves from any form of negativity regarding Windows, what you should be doing is calling Microsoft out and standing up for yourselves. There's a name for this behavior: Stockholm Syndrome, as a result of decades of capitalist brainwashing and conditioning.
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It's anecdote vs. anecdote at this point. I don't install Windows daily, but I have done several local installs recently, as well as have others in my office. Every single time, with the 1903 installation made with the Media Creation Tool, the option to use a local account and use a password instead of a PIN is available, though not the first presented or "recommended" choice. Are you doing clean installs from a MCT, or are these OEM computers with Windows pre-installed? I feel no need to "defend" Microsoft, but as I and several others are having a completely different experience than you, it should be productive and instructional to figure out why the experiences are different.
 
Mazzspeed said:
That's another thing you do, you constantly attack others for not blindly defending Windows then play the victim when others retaliate with the same attitude.





As stated, ONCE AGAIN, the OOBE is web based and there is usually more than one at any one time using identical unmodified boot media straight from Microsoft - If you don't install Windows daily you probably won't notice this.

Two of us have stated now, for many the process has changed and there is no way around the creation of a Microsoft account ONLY on fresh install at the OOBE account creation screen. Once again, there is no way around this. Two of us have mentioned the change along with the nessecity to set a PIN instead of a password and I have provided screenshots of the actual change - You can't argue with a damn screen shot and I'd just love to know how I can miss a step, especially in the last twenty or so times I installed Windows 10 Home - Nice try, but it didn't happen I'm afraid.

If I'm on repeat it's because the fanbois have their fingers in their ears to protect themselves from any form of negativity regarding Windows, what you should be doing is calling Microsoft out and standing up for yourselves. There's a name for this behavior: Stockholm Syndrome, as a result of decades of capitalist brainwashing and conditioning.
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Well, at least I know you are not interested in being helped as evidenced by your post so I will just leave it as, have fun, enjoy your experience. :)
 
ManofGod said:
Well, at least I know you are not interested in being helped as evidenced by your post so I will just leave it as, have fun, enjoy your experience. :)
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I never asked for help.

I am highlighting how one variant of the cloud based OOBE has changed for the worse and soon the ISO will follow considering Windows 10 Home.
 
jardows said:
It's anecdote vs. anecdote at this point. I don't install Windows daily, but I have done several local installs recently, as well as have others in my office. Every single time, with the 1903 installation made with the Media Creation Tool, the option to use a local account and use a password instead of a PIN is available, though not the first presented or "recommended" choice. Are you doing clean installs from a MCT, or are these OEM computers with Windows pre-installed? I feel no need to "defend" Microsoft, but as I and several others are having a completely different experience than you, it should be productive and instructional to figure out why the experiences are different.
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Jardows, sorry but I'm not going to repeat myself again.

I'm not stupid, go through my posts and all the information you require is there.
 
Mazzspeed said:
I never asked for help.

I am highlighting how one variant of the cloud based OOBE has changed for the worse and soon the ISO will follow considering Windows 10 Home.
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Again, how are you installing it? What installer are you using? I have re-read your posts, and you have not explained that. You say the OOBE is cloud based, and I do not doubt what you are experiencing. However, what you are experiencing is different that what many of us are experiencing, and we want to know what you are doing differently. That is one thing you have not explained or identified, and what we are requesting.
 
jardows said:
Again, how are you installing it? What installer are you using? I have re-read your posts, and you have not explained that. You say the OOBE is cloud based, and I do not doubt what you are experiencing. However, what you are experiencing is different that what many of us are experiencing, and we want to know what you are doing differently. That is one thing you have not explained or identified, and what we are requesting.
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Yeah, and we also need to remember, sometimes, people come in looking for solutions and when they come across something like this, an answer is always helpful.
 
M76 said:
I don't understand. What if there is no internet connection? You can't install windows?

I know you can because I just did it a week ago with the latest version and the local account option came right up.
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Yes you can, whether with the Home or Pro edition. Also, the last time I experienced the OOBE, I was able to use the local account setup without issue.
 
Mazzspeed said:
Well, well. Wadda you know? Exactly what I was talking about. Eventually the 'feature' will be added to the default OOBE as part of the ISO and it's MS account or nothing:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/340...rder-to-create-windows-10-local-accounts.html
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Ok, so you were installing 1809 and selecting the wrong option during setup. I haven't done many 1809 updates, mostly 1803 and now 1903, so that is why I wasn't seeing the same thing as you. I do recall a few 1809 installation, but I was able to figure out how to do the local account fairly easily, but it would not be that straightforward for the average computer user. For someone who does the amount of Windows installs you claim to do, I am amazed that you didn't research this before and figure out what options to select on the installation. Also, I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that Microsoft will move to MS account or nothing, when the 1903 update reverses the path of 1809, and makes it easier to setup a local account.
 
jardows said:
Ok, so you were installing 1809 and selecting the wrong option during setup. I haven't done many 1809 updates, mostly 1803 and now 1903, so that is why I wasn't seeing the same thing as you. I do recall a few 1809 installation, but I was able to figure out how to do the local account fairly easily, but it would not be that straightforward for the average computer user. For someone who does the amount of Windows installs you claim to do, I am amazed that you didn't research this before and figure out what options to select on the installation. Also, I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that Microsoft will move to MS account or nothing, when the 1903 update reverses the path of 1809, and makes it easier to setup a local account.
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No, we've been over this, are you reading? You're assuming I asked for help, I did not - What I did was make a statement. Naturally if I install offline I'll get the OOBE built into the ISO, you don't even need to research that to know the outcome.

I did not select the wrong option and neither did the authors of the article posted. I installed both 1809 and 1903 connected to the internet and got the same OOBE forcing me to use a Microsoft account every time. I'm not disputing that I could install the OS not connected to the internet and use the ISO's OOBE, I'm rightfully stating that this workaround will not work forever - Eventually the default OOBE will be updated to force a Microsoft account, as the default OOBE that part of the ISO is always updated to adopt new features in the cases of an offline install.

I've installed Windows via Bootcamp on a number of Mac's, in this instance installing while not connected to the internet is not an option as Bootcamp needs to download the necessary drivers.

Essentially, Microsoft 'are' beginning to force Microsoft accounts onto their users - It's that simple and there's no point arguing this indisputable fact.
 
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M76 said:
I don't understand. What if there is no internet connection? You can't install windows?

I know you can because I just did it a week ago with the latest version and the local account option came right up.
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No, you can still install offline, however eventually the default OOBE built into the ISO will be updated to reflect the new changes. So installing online of offline, you will be forced to use a Microsoft account.

What very few here seem to understand is that there is a part of the installer called the OOBE that is actually cloud based so that Microsoft can push changes to the installer faster than simply updating the ISO immediately, furthermore, there's usually more than one OOBE at any one time. So, without changing install media, your installation experience can vary depending on the OOBE used every time you install Windows.
 
Mazzspeed said:
No, you can still install offline, however eventually the default OOBE built into the ISO will be updated to reflect the new changes. So installing online of offline, you will be forced to use a Microsoft account.

What very few here seem to understand is that there is a part of the installer called the OOBE that is actually cloud based so that Microsoft can push changes to the installer faster than simply updating the ISO immediately, furthermore, there's usually more than one OOBE at any one time. So, without changing install media, your installation experience can vary depending on the OOBE used every time you install Windows.
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My point was that you cannot sign in into a microsoft account let alone create one without internet. So by definition they HAVE to keep the offline account option available. They can hide it, they can cloak and dagger all they want, but they can't kill it.
 
M76 said:
My point was that you cannot sign in into a microsoft account let alone create one without internet. So by definition they HAVE to keep the offline account option available. They can hide it, they can cloak and dagger all they want, but they can't kill it.
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Why not? You need an AppleID to operate an iPhone, you need a Gmail/Gsuite account to operate an Android phone - Certain games will not run without an internet connection.

This excuse "But I have no internet sir" isn't going to wash in this day and age. Every time they've made changes to the cloud based OOBE, it's made it's way into the actual ISO. This will be no different as far as the consumer variants of Windows is concerned.
 
Mazzspeed said:
Why not? You need an AppleID to operate an iPhone, you need a Gmail/Gsuite account to operate an Android phone - Certain games will not run without an internet connection.

This excuse "But I have no internet sir" isn't going to wash in this day and age. Every time they've made changes to the cloud based OOBE, it's made it's way into the actual ISO. This will be no different as far as the consumer variants of Windows is concerned.
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You still don't get it. I give up. They can't require you to have an internet connection during the installation of windows !!!!! What if you have a network adapter that is not supported by windows oob, to use that stupid phrase.
 
M76 said:
You still don't get it. I give up. They can't require you to have an internet connection during the installation of windows !!!!! What if you have a network adapter that is not supported by windows oob, to use that stupid phrase.
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If that's what you want to believe whilst Apple and Google require exactly that, all the power to you. Ignorance must be bliss in a capitalist world where we're viewed as no more than consumer cash cows - I wish I could share in such a blase existence.
 
Jagger100 said:
Silicon Valley is moving to lock it all down including necessary aspects of Linux. They aren't going to stop unless made to stop.
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True, the blue, pink, and green haired commies trying to take over Linux development disturb me.
 
Mazzspeed said:
If that's what you want to believe whilst Apple and Google require exactly that, all the power to you. Ignorance must be bliss in a capitalist world where we're viewed as no more than consumer cash cows - I wish I could share in such a blase existence.
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When you sets up an Mac Computer with OS X, you do not need a internet connection and you do not need an Apple ID, at all. But if you want to believe your own internal narrative, all the power to you. (There is not ignorance here on anyone's part, just folks trying to explain something to someone who will not listen and claims his experience is the only experience that counts.)
 
Mazzspeed said:
No, we've been over this, are you reading? You're assuming I asked for help, I did not - What I did was make a statement. Naturally if I install offline I'll get the OOBE built into the ISO, you don't even need to research that to know the outcome.

I did not select the wrong option and neither did the authors of the article posted. I installed both 1809 and 1903 connected to the internet and got the same OOBE forcing me to use a Microsoft account every time. I'm not disputing that I could install the OS not connected to the internet and use the ISO's OOBE, I'm rightfully stating that this workaround will not work forever - Eventually the default OOBE will be updated to force a Microsoft account, as the default OOBE that part of the ISO is always updated to adopt new features in the cases of an offline install.

I've installed Windows via Bootcamp on a number of Mac's, in this instance installing while not connected to the internet is not an option as Bootcamp needs to download the necessary drivers.

Essentially, Microsoft 'are' beginning to force Microsoft accounts onto their users - It's that simple and there's no point arguing this indisputable fact.
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I still do not know what you are doing differently. EVERY 1903 install I have done, and EVERY 1809 and 1803 install I have done in the last couple of years, have all been connected to the Internet during the install, most via an Ethernet cable. In EVERY installation I have had the option to create a local account. I have experienced in 1809 where if I select one of the connectivity options during setup, it defaults to Microsoft account, like the article you posted outlines. The solution is simple - restart the whole process and skip the "connect to a network" option.

In 1903, this is gone, which flies against your assertion that Microsoft is going to make it more difficult to create a local account and eventually require nothing but a Microsoft Account. Your "statements" are based in wrong at best, intentionally y deceitful at worst, information. Microsoft has not been enforcing a MS Account only policy, and the direction they have taken with their latest update even reverses the heavy-handed "guidance" towards a Microsoft Account.

Now, I am genuinely interested in the exact process you are taking, what installation you are performing, and what source you are installing from. I have not had anything close to the experience you are speaking of, with the exception of the trick questions in the 1809 installer. However, you have not once described any of that, just simply repeated "The OOBE forces you to use a Microsoft account every time." Well, it doesn't. Even when the computer is connected to the Internet. So you are doing something different than what I and many others are doing, so I want to know what you are doing differently. Quite frankly, I will be surprised if you actually provide this information, because it appears you only seem interested in spreading misinformation to justify your blinding hatred for Microsoft.
 
The offline account creation has always been there. Yes, the earlier versions of Windows 10 had issues, way earlier but, the offline account creation has been there.
 
I've done installs of desktops and hundreds of OS installs of Server OS's of MS in the past couple years and I've not once been forced to use a MS account for anything. (ok servers are a big skip by them but I've done quite a few desktop/workstation builds as well).

I understand the reason for the verbage but they need to be more specific in use case of the data. Marketing? User consumption research? Backup? We need a statement as to what capacity they are allowed to use our data.

I don't use the MS cloud save at work for my work documents. But we DO use the MS cloud sharepoint for our team. With this news I'm going to send over that may change.


EDIT: Ok I just read through the post. Here is the entire section b that was sensationalized into something it isn't.

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  • b. To the extent necessary to provide the Services to you and others, to protect you and the Services, and to improve Microsoft products and services, you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content, for example, to make copies of, retain, transmit, reformat, display, and distribute via communication tools Your Content on the Services. If you publish Your Content in areas of the Service where it is available broadly online without restrictions, Your Content may appear in demonstrations or materials that promote the Service. Some of the Services are supported by advertising. Controls for how Microsoft personalizes advertising are available on the Security & privacy page of the Microsoft account management website. We do not use what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail, or your documents, photos or other personal files, to target advertising to you. Our advertising policies are covered in detail in the Privacy Statement.
So basically to save the data and move it around within their data centers is the reason for this verbage. If you've ever dealt with managing virtual systems with multiple storage subsystems then you understand the need for this type of verbage. AND further they left it open to use for marketing if you made the data public. Again not a bad thing. The wailing and gnashing of teeth here is because many don't actually undertstand the reason for this.

Users are getting enterprise class data protection when using these services. That's really nice. Data mirroring, 100% or close to it up time. And potentially even geofencing so your data is always low latency access. All of these things are good.

Please read the entire statement and not go off half cocked because the OP posted this thread in the most sensational way possible in order to generate responses and debate.
 
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jardows said:
I still do not know what you are doing differently. EVERY 1903 install I have done, and EVERY 1809 and 1803 install I have done in the last couple of years, have all been connected to the Internet during the install, most via an Ethernet cable. In EVERY installation I have had the option to create a local account. I have experienced in 1809 where if I select one of the connectivity options during setup, it defaults to Microsoft account, like the article you posted outlines. The solution is simple - restart the whole process and skip the "connect to a network" option.

In 1903, this is gone, which flies against your assertion that Microsoft is going to make it more difficult to create a local account and eventually require nothing but a Microsoft Account. Your "statements" are based in wrong at best, intentionally y deceitful at worst, information. Microsoft has not been enforcing a MS Account only policy, and the direction they have taken with their latest update even reverses the heavy-handed "guidance" towards a Microsoft Account.

Now, I am genuinely interested in the exact process you are taking, what installation you are performing, and what source you are installing from. I have not had anything close to the experience you are speaking of, with the exception of the trick questions in the 1809 installer. However, you have not once described any of that, just simply repeated "The OOBE forces you to use a Microsoft account every time." Well, it doesn't. Even when the computer is connected to the Internet. So you are doing something different than what I and many others are doing, so I want to know what you are doing differently. Quite frankly, I will be surprised if you actually provide this information, because it appears you only seem interested in spreading misinformation to justify your blinding hatred for Microsoft.
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Read my posts, seriously, just read. This is ridiculous. I've even posted a link to an article highlighting the change as well as screenshots and you still wrongfully assume I did something wrong! Please, go back and read my posts - Thoroughly. Nothing I have highlighted is in any way wrong.

ManofGod said:
The offline account creation has always been there. Yes, the earlier versions of Windows 10 had issues, way earlier but, the offline account creation has been there.
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Up until this point it has, no one's disputing this. That by NO MEANS indicates the allowance for offline accounts considering consumer variants of Windows won't change when Google and Apple have been forcing Apple ID's and Gmail/Gsuite accounts in order to log into their popular mobile devices for years. It's in the OOBE cloud based installer, eventually it will be part of the OOBE built into the ISO in offline mode. Furthermore, as stated, when installing Windows in certain situations, like Bootcamp, the process is automated and an offline install is not at all possible.
 
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Mazzspeed said:
If that's what you want to believe whilst Apple and Google require exactly that, all the power to you. Ignorance must be bliss in a capitalist world where we're viewed as no more than consumer cash cows - I wish I could share in such a blase existence.
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Reality != The reality you made up.

A PC is not an Apple, or an Android phone. There is enough HW variance that it cannot be guaranteed that windows will recognize network connectivity even if you have it. What is so hard to understand about that?

Even if they tried to force the ms account which is just your assertion with zero evidence, people would just stick to using the latest windows version without that requirement. As many are sticking to Windows 7.

Actually you have less than zero evidence as the 1903 installer goes in the opposite direction allowing you to choose an offline account even if you set up the network during install.

The fearmongering about using older version of the software also comes from MS. On a properly secured network it's almost impossible to run into trouble running "outdated" software without serious user error.
 
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Read my posts, seriously, just read. This is ridiculous. I've even posted a link to an article highlighting the change as well as screenshots and you still wrongfully assume I did something wrong! Please, go back and read my posts - Thoroughly. Nothing I have highlighted is in any way wrong.
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Are you really that dense, or has your hatred for Microsoft blinded you this much? According to the article you linked, if you select "Let's connect to a network" you get the Microsoft Account creation option. If you skip that step, you get the local account creation. From the article:

The first way is the “official” way to opt out of entering a Microsoft account. During the Wi-Fi sign-in page, you can opt to skip it.
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You can still be connected to the Internet (via an Ethernet cable), skip the connectivity step, and create a local account. So, there is a way, while connected to the Internet, according to the article you linked, to create a local account on a Windows 1809 installation if you select the correct option! I am not disputing that 1809 makes it difficult for the unsuspecting or uneducated person running the installer to create a local account, but it is most certainly possible.

So let's lay out the facts in a simple manner:

For 1809 installs, Microsoft made it very confusing, but still very possible to install with a local account if you make the right choices during the setup, even when connected to the Internet.
For 1903 installs, Microsoft made it very easy and straight forward to create a local account.

Microsoft is not taking away your local computer accounts, nor are they moving to require a Microsoft Account to use Windows.
 
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