5700XT @2.2Ghz under water on Tom's Hardware Germany

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To sum it up almost 2080 performance in Tomb Raider beating an OC 2070 Super for 35 watts.
https://www.tomshw.de/2019/07/11/un...erplaytables-fuer-die-rx-5700-und-rx-5700-xt/
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Pretty nice results.

Interesting the the 5700 XT is about on par or a hair better than Radeon VII.

It would have been good to see some other games, but promising so far.
 
I'm looking forward to what you can get from it. I hoped they are binned really well.

Wouldn't mind seeing what a hardware volt mod would unleash. :cool:

Seems like there's alot of untapped potential here, just held back by heat/power output.
 
So with custom cooler 5700 XT cards, we should see 2070 Super performance for 2070 Super price?
 
Yeah but talking about stock speeds for these factory OC custom cooler cards. They're usually very careful when increasing the speeds.

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At stock speeds super looks like it's 2% faster in this benchmark stock vs stock
 
Wouldn't mind seeing what a hardware volt mod would unleash. :cool:

Seems like there's alot of untapped potential here, just held back by heat/power output.

Looking at the power increase vs perf increase it actually looks like it’s tapped out.

Personally, I won’t buy a ~$500+ card without RT at this point. AMD has around 2 years before I’ll even consider buying a card so they have some time...
 
Looking at the power increase vs perf increase it actually looks like it’s tapped out.

Personally, I won’t buy a ~$500+ card without RT at this point. AMD has around 2 years before I’ll even consider buying a card so they have some time...

Honestly, the only thing this thread tells me is not to buy the 5700 but the 5700XT, if I want a meaningful upgrade over my Vega 56. :)
 
With custom fan curve and +25% power limit I am just shy of 2000mhz, pretty consistent in the 19xx range. Looks like cooling is the big factor for these cards, better cooling, faster clocks. Probably do a quicky experiment with A/Cing the case. This is with a 5700 XT 50th Av.

Been playing Doom with it and it is definitely more powerful then the Vega 64 LC which was in the machine before this. There are some driver issues such as Performance Monitoring, Relive does not work if Virtual Super Resolution is turned on. 19.7.1. Navi turned out rather nice so far, look forward to big Navi whenever that comes around.
 
With custom fan curve and +25% power limit I am just shy of 2000mhz, pretty consistent in the 19xx range. Looks like cooling is the big factor for these cards, better cooling, faster clocks. Probably do a quicky experiment with A/Cing the case. This is with a 5700 XT 50th Av.

Been playing Doom with it and it is definitely more powerful then the Vega 64 LC which was in the machine before this. There are some driver issues such as Performance Monitoring, Relive does not work if Virtual Super Resolution is turned on. 19.7.1. Navi turned out rather nice so far, look forward to big Navi whenever that comes around.

How much better could I expect with a 5700XT compared to a Reference Vega 56 flashed with a 64 bios? I have a 1440p 144hz monitor and 1080p 144hz monitor that I can use.
 
I didn't do any scientific tests, but this 5700 XT is really nice with my 240Hz monitor.

I have an RTX 2060 (another machine) and a 1660 Ti (second rig in sig) and the 5700 XT seems like a nice boost over that.

Confusing matters is that my monitor is FreeSync, which did work with Nvidia but I think it works better with AMD.

All I know is I played DOOM with 200fps (software locked) and it may have been the smoothest game experience I ever had.

This is at 1080p, but with 1440p (VSR) I'm still getting close to 180fps+. Other new games are more like 100 - 120 fps (Shadow of Tomb Raider, Far Cry 5, Dirt Rally 2.0). So definitely good for high refresh (FreeSync would be ideal).
 
Card is a beast so far, with +25% Power Limit, OC setting to around 2100mhz and custom fan speed it just churs along like nothing, smooth as butter so to speak. Capture this with video below using an Iphone 7 and S9. FPS monitor software is not working with the 5700 XT yet, just crashes so had to do it this way instead.

 
So with custom cooler 5700 XT cards, we should see 2070 Super performance for 2070 Super price?


Gamers are excited because Navi has been out 10 days and people are getting 2.2Ghz with liquid cooling... on a card that they don't have total control over yet.

From a Gamer's standpoint, having a $399 5700xt besting/equallying/nearing the $699 7nm Radeon 7 (331mm^2) in performance is why AMD is comfortable with EOL'ing the R7, because a higher priced Navi, is only going to do more performance.. and cover that gap.


RTX2070 Super is $499. So in the aftermarket, I suspect you'll find many 5700xt liquid cooled cards outperforming the 2070 Super the same price. If you need to go higher and have more money 5700xt OC isn't your answer...

I suspect, that market is what the 5800 Series is aiming for..!
 
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Which makes me wonder if we will have a 5900 version whatever that would be - back to two GPU cards but different as in transparent to the OS.
 
Which makes me wonder if we will have a 5900 version whatever that would be - back to two GPU cards but different as in transparent to the OS.

Everything that i have read still pointed to that still being a while off yet.
 
Which makes me wonder if we will have a 5900 version whatever that would be - back to two GPU cards but different as in transparent to the OS.
Next generation if we are lucky. I think they ditch GCN/RDNA based GCN first. I'm also hoping for this but at this rate a big navi might do the job.
 
Next generation if we are lucky. I think they ditch GCN/RDNA based GCN first. I'm also hoping for this but at this rate a big navi might do the job.

Big Navi would be very competitive with a 2080ti performance wise assuming it scales well with cus. I'd be interested in seeing a comparison of 5700 vs 5700xt at the same clockspeeds.

If big Navi is 64cus and assuming perfect scaling big Navi would likely easily surpass 2080ti performance at a similar tdp to v64/VII (Navi10 is ~225 watts so 225*1.5=~337w)

This is obviously best case scenario for amd.
 
Which makes me wonder if we will have a 5900 version whatever that would be - back to two GPU cards but different as in transparent to the OS.

I don’t think Infinity Fabric is fast enough for that. If they did get it to work I’d buy it in a heartbeat (assuming 2x big Navi 500W monster...)

They have such success with Ryzen and chiplets it has to be on their minds.
 
And how loud was the fan? Jet engine, I imagine.
Well I have other stuff that was way louder going on so the noise from that puny fan was/is inconsequential. In my case I never heard it. For those wanting quieter combinations I would suspect AIBs will accommodate.
 
Card is a beast so far, with +25% Power Limit, OC setting to around 2100mhz and custom fan speed it just churs along like nothing, smooth as butter so to speak. Capture this with video below using an Iphone 7 and S9. FPS monitor software is not working with the 5700 XT yet, just crashes so had to do it this way instead.




Have you tried any memory OC'ing yet? I have just opened my 50th AV ED (my box was damaged and AMD had me waiting a day to decide if they could send me a new box or if I was going to have to RMA the entire thing. They just called and told me to test the card and if it was fine they would send me a new box. 19.7.2 is very lacking in Wattman, but using stock settings in a case with no airflow using PowerMAx @ 1080P 8x MSAA I am seeing the card sustaining 1900-1914Mhz..This is @ 79C...I can't wait to see what it is going to do under water.

The next driver revision should be much better;)...
 
Have you tried any memory OC'ing yet? I have just opened my 50th AV ED (my box was damaged and AMD had me waiting a day to decide if they could send me a new box or if I was going to have to RMA the entire thing. They just called and told me to test the card and if it was fine they would send me a new box. 19.7.2 is very lacking in Wattman, but using stock settings in a case with no airflow using PowerMAx @ 1080P 8x MSAA I am seeing the card sustaining 1900-1914Mhz..This is @ 79C...I can't wait to see what it is going to do under water.

The next driver revision should be much better;)...
No memory OCing yet, working 12’s so will have to wait till Sunday. Have you tried? Temperature and keeping it low seems to be the secret sauce more than anything else. Stock fan curve was awful, resulting in thermal throttling.

My 3900x came in at Best Buy, so something else to fool around with.
 
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No memory OCing yet, working 12’s so will have to wait till Sunday. Have you tried? Temperature and keeping it low seems to be the secret sauce more than anything else. Stock fan curve was awful, resulting in thermal throttling.

My 3900x came in at Best Buy, so something else to fool around with.


I am not allowed to say ;)...But the future looks nicely navi :D...
 
Are these clocks after the power table mod? or is this stock cards with a power limit boost in wattman/afterburner?
 
Are these clocks after the power table mod? or is this stock cards with a power limit boost in wattman/afterburner?
Maybe a new power table mod that unlocks the RAM? Seems to be a weakness of the new cards. Should be able to ramp the RAM, no?
If that is unlocked all bets are off on how competitive they can be. Already showing good, but with higher RAM? Oh boy!
Seems more and more like AMD tried to keep these cards down. 5800/900 are looking to shake things up soon.
 
Are these clocks after the power table mod? or is this stock cards with a power limit boost in wattman/afterburner?
For my test, just Wattman +25 and adjusted freq to 2100 which at stock is set at around 2050. Currently undervolting -.25 and will just play games and forget about the settings unless I have problems. No issues with crashing etc. so far. The 3900x has been consuming my time :).
 
Have you tried any memory OC'ing yet? I have just opened my 50th AV ED (my box was damaged and AMD had me waiting a day to decide if they could send me a new box or if I was going to have to RMA the entire thing. They just called and told me to test the card and if it was fine they would send me a new box. 19.7.2 is very lacking in Wattman, but using stock settings in a case with no airflow using PowerMAx @ 1080P 8x MSAA I am seeing the card sustaining 1900-1914Mhz..This is @ 79C...I can't wait to see what it is going to do under water.

The next driver revision should be much better;)...
Finally got around to Memory OCing, 925mhz - instant screen corruption, 920mhz less, 915mhz good until running a benchmark and then it slightly corrupts periodically. At 910mhz it is good with some improvements testing with 3DMark. Memory OCing with my sample is poor, unless we get voltage control, which maybe not wise with DDR 6 - this video card will most likely be memory bandwidth constrain. I had the A/C unit set low, room temperature was sub 70F, more like 68F, aggressive fan curve that kept the GPU less than 80c. At least for me memory OCing is almost pointless - 900mhz maybe a 24/7 configuration which would give some benefits in benchmarks but for game play I doubt it moves the needle any.
 
Finally got around to Memory OCing, 925mhz - instant screen corruption, 920mhz less, 915mhz good until running a benchmark and then it slightly corrupts periodically. At 910mhz it is good with some improvements testing with 3DMark. Memory OCing with my sample is poor, unless we get voltage control, which maybe not wise with DDR 6 - this video card will most likely be memory bandwidth constrain. I had the A/C unit set low, room temperature was sub 70F, more like 68F, aggressive fan curve that kept the GPU less than 80c. At least for me memory OCing is almost pointless - 900mhz maybe a 24/7 configuration which would give some benefits in benchmarks but for game play I doubt it moves the needle any.


I can do 925mhz on the stock blower (with it ramped high) but anything higher kills it. The biggest issue is HEAT. I will explore this whenever EK gets off their rear ends and sends my GPU block out, but I hope to get to 950Mhz, maybe higher. I have asked internally if we are getting VDDR control, and I cannot say if it will happen sadly. I hope it does, but I think AMD is worried about the stock blower and people adding 1V+ to the memory and frying an IC or Vreg. Once the custom cards ship, then we may just yet get it:).
 
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I can do 925mhz on the stock blower (with it ramped high) but anything higher kills it. The biggest issue is HEAT. I will explore this whenever EK gets off their rear ends and sends my GPU block out, but I hope to get to 950Mhz, maybe higher. I have asked internally if we are getting VDDR control, and I cannot say if it will happen sadly. I hope it does, but I think AMD is worried about the stock blower and people adding 1V+ to the memory and frying an IC or Vreg. Once the custom cards ship, then we may just yet get it:).
lol, very understandable - great that some cards memory can OC better than mine. I was pretty cool so don't think it was a heat issue. I am using the newest driver 19.7.4 for these test.
 
lol, very understandable - great that some cards memory can OC better than mine. I was pretty cool so don't think it was a heat issue. I am using the newest driver 19.7.4 for these test.


Yeah 19.7.4 is a decent release..I have been using it for a little while now, which is why I could not say much in the other thread about memory OC'ing. How hot is your ram getting?
 
Yeah 19.7.4 is a decent release..I have been using it for a little while now, which is why I could not say much in the other thread about memory OC'ing. How hot is your ram getting?
Ok, stock ram speed, aggressive fan curve, +25 power. Stress Test 3dMark Time Spy running until all temperatures stabilize, using Aida64. Ram voltage seems low if Aida64 is correct but not sure what DDR 6 is suppose to be at. Hotspot temperature is getting up there as well but below 105F. Ram temperature seems OK.

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That is the default voltage for these cards. 76C isn't "hot" persay but I would prefer to keep it cooler (that's probably just the custom looper in me though lol). Is your card under water yet? I would assume not based on those temperatures. Ram should be down to 45-50C depending on your amount of rad space.
 
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