X570-A PRO vs B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC

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Opus131

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I bought the B450 couple of weeks ago, in preparation for the new Ryzen, all though i have now opted for a 2600 since the 3600 is too expensive in my country to justify the difference (will upgrade down the line, probably to a 3700x once it goes cheaper).

Eitherway, i just now saw the X570-A Pro at 25 dollars more on Amazon, which i did not expect since i assumed the X570 were going to be all super expensive.

Thinking about returning the B450, but i'd like to know why this particular model of the X570 is so much cheaper than the others. I know that the Gaming Pro Carbon etc is a better board than some low end X470 motherboards, maybe something like that is at work here.

Comparing spec sheets on the MSI site doesn't reveal much. The Gaming Pro Carbon has better LAN and has Wi-fi, both have alc1220, the X570 has all the standard features typical of a X470 plus PCi 4.0, which i don't care about, but comes with a fan (hugh).
 
Stick with the 450 / 470 boards for now. Unless you absolutely need pcie4, which I doubt since there are very few products on the market that utilize it.

The next chipset hopefully will not have fan on it. Also prices fall with time.
 
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I'll keep the B450 then. Should be compatible with Ryzen 4 also (like the B350 can run Ryzen 3 now), which i think it's going to be the last AM4 CPU, so i can stretch with this board until Ryzen 5 and the new socket.
 
Had a 450i gaming ac, next to the rog b450i it doesn't hold a candle. Would look at a nicer board, also msi software is like going back to mid 00s in terms of function.

Don't be sure on anything coming to socket, Zen 2 apu should be likely though.
 
Burned 8hrs yesterday on a B450m-hdv + 2600 cranked to 4.2ghz @ 1.35v playing Blackout.

I was wasting time, 300mhz doesn't do anything more than make the experience feel slightly more fluid at 150+hz. Stock boost is fine, all core manual boost values are fine.

My mobo is a basic POS.

If you need 3x nvme drives and plan on clocking a big core CT CPU get the x570.

If you may jump off AM4 to whatever is next maybe return your b450 and find a cheapie used one.

Buy for now, not for a tomorrow that may never come.

Also most games are never as demanding as a synthetic. I'm using arguably barely there Mobo components cranking day long gaming sessions simultaneously recording.
 
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I agree, buy for your needs now. You'll make money or tech prices will come down.
Do not play the "future proof game".
You'll end up wasting money.
 
I'm sensing some hate for the MSI brand here, but the Gaming Carbon Pro whatever is supposed to have a solid VRM section and everywhere i get i keep hearing it's the best B450 board so i'd need to hear some solid argument for switching to something else. I keep hearing the MSI is "bad" because it doesn't have offset voltage for instance but i'm looking at the Asus Strix B450 and it's supposed to have worse VRM temps, so what would be the advantage? The board is only 10 euros cheaper where i live so that's not a factor.
 
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Richneerd said:
I agree, buy for your needs now. You'll make money or tech prices will come down.
Do not play the "future proof game".
You'll end up wasting money.
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Well, i got a 2600 for 130 euros free shipping. The 3600 is currently around 230 euros. My graphic is a 480 4gb, but i was planning on getting an 2060 or the AMD equivalent once we start to see versions without that stupid blower cooler. From what i've seen, there will only be minimal bottleneck coming from the 2600 when it comes to cards from that range, so i can keep the 2600 until i upgrade to a new card, and get the best compatible AMD cpu that would be available at that time so that i won't have to change motherboard or memory, and stretch the system for several more years. This is the road map i'm following at the moment. Getting an X570 might allow for better compatibility to future AMD CPUs, but since Ryzen 4 will be the last AM4 compatible CPU they are going to make i don't think it'll make a difference, and between a "low" tier X570 and an high tier B450 board, i'm leaning more to the latter.
 
Opus131 said:
I bought the B450 couple of weeks ago, in preparation for the new Ryzen, all though i have now opted for a 2600 since the 3600 is too expensive in my country to justify the difference (will upgrade down the line, probably to a 3700x once it goes cheaper).

Eitherway, i just now saw the X570-A Pro at 25 dollars more on Amazon, which i did not expect since i assumed the X570 were going to be all super expensive.

Thinking about returning the B450, but i'd like to know why this particular model of the X570 is so much cheaper than the others. I know that the Gaming Pro Carbon etc is a better board than some low end X470 motherboards, maybe something like that is at work here.

Comparing spec sheets on the MSI site doesn't reveal much. The Gaming Pro Carbon has better LAN and has Wi-fi, both have alc1220, the X570 has all the standard features typical of a X470 plus PCi 4.0, which i don't care about, but comes with a fan (hugh).
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I always suggest that you buy a better motherboard, because it is the backbone of your system.

Think about how many times 2 years later after a build, you wish you had room for, or could use this memory more stable, etc. If you are thinking down the road, then splurt an extra $20~50 on a better board. Your memory and CPU will thank you.

You can often find really good deals on mobos… it seems everyone is offering x570 combos with big discounts right now. Microcenter look like a zombie raid hit this weekend. They were out of everything... ssds, everything.
 
Heh, i don't know, this is how things look like where i live:

https://www.amazon.it/s?k=x570&__mk_it_IT=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&ref=nb_sb_noss

Pretty ugly i'd say. X470 boards look a little better but IF the Gaming Pro Carbon etc is better than "entry" level X470s how far in price i'd have to go before getting a "good" X470 board that would make it worth my while?

Also:

https://www.amazon.it/AMD-Ryzen-3600-processore-Scatola/dp/B07STGGQ18/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp?__mk_it_IT=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&keywords=x470&pd_rd_i=B07STGGQ18&pd_rd_r=d521181b-c54b-4330-99b6-ad0d7f0a4b56&pd_rd_w=2l6MX&pd_rd_wg=Ggfoi&pf_rd_p=c669ee59-54a5-43ab-9398-ae1acd19cd54&pf_rd_r=JT4W89N6KPGTTWDBC287&qid=1563144021&s=gateway

Hahaha, i hate the European market.
 
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I don't hate the Pro Carbon, in fact I was thinking of buying either the X470 or B450.
The decider for my use cases is where OCing for the sake of it vs OCing for measurable gains kicks in.
I don't get anything worthwhile at 4.3ghz besides the satisfaction that I can game on it for 8hrs straight while eyeballing HWmonitor on a 2nd monitor.
I'm using a pos b450m-HDV with a 2600.
I'd want to step up to a "better" vrm if I was using an 8-core+

Concerns using a 2600/3600 aren't equivalent to a 2700x or greater.

I get more out of aio cooling my 1080ti so it can sit at 2100mhz under 60c with the g12 fan static cranked to 100%



 
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