AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT and RX 5700 Review Roundup

chameleoneel said:
I think these are good cards, but AMD really missed with the launch cooling.


I just looked at Techpowerup's breakdown of the 5700xt and 5700. They are shipping these cards with graphite/epoxy pads on the GPU core, instead of thermal paste.

I'm not gonna say "guarantee". But I would be super surprised if a quality thermal paste is not much better. Personally, I would remove the heatsink and do the swap.

Alllllso, if the heatsink has open fins underneathe the fan shroud: you could remove the shroud and turbine fan and then strap a fan to the top of the heatsink (unfortunately, techpowerup didn't remove the shroud to reveal the heatsink). If you have lots of space in your case, 80mm case fans are awesome for this. If you are limited on space, Noctua makes a 90mm slim fan. Which is also awesome for this. I have a couple strapped to my 7870 with twist ties. That's gonna be a giant improvment over the turbine fan. I don't use cases with windows anymore. So i don't care if it looks stupid.
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Yeah, and if you have to go replacing cooling components, the AMD price advantage is gone.

"nVidia releases cards with blowers tooo.." yeah, and they are faster, using blowers!

Overall I am disappointed. AMD releases a card that basically matches a card released last year... same old boring AMD story.
Why can't they release something new that is FASTER than a competitors 10 month old product? They could have, but didn't... just drop the price another $100 across the board, then it would have been exciting... for low end and midrange anyway.

Where's the high end part? It's all new, 7nm, and lands in the midrange. It's Vega all over again = dissapointment²...
And those temps, even on 7nm? It's clear AMD is doing what they have been doing for years, push the silicon right to the bleeding edge. So good luck overclocking. Better cooling might help, but now the things price is out of whack.. better off with a 2070 Super (which comes with better stock cooling, factor that into the price).

These do nothing to lower the price of the 2080Ti's... or even the 2080's.

One of those graphs showed the 5700XT 2% below the VII... that's kinda sad really. The VII is 7nm navi also right? If so it shows that the HBM2 isn't helping anything at all vs GDDR6. This shows to me that nVidia has been making better decisions regarding the architectures, etc. I did like that AMD seemed to be pushing the envelope with HBM2, but we didn't get anything for it. nVidia is also pushing the envelope with RTX, and RTX is at least a tangible improvement in lighting quality/realism.

All of the For/Against regarding RTX: RTX is here to stay. As far as the decision on whether it is useful or not, one thing we know is that Battlefield V has a crappy DX12 pipeline, and a crappy RTX implementation. It was the worst possible choice to showcase the new technology. Vulkan supports raytracing now, and is usually faster than DX12. Soon as something good comes out from iD that supports raytracing, we will finally see what it can do when handled by a skilled dev team. Impressions will likely shift.

Still no worthwile upgrade from my 2 year old 1080Ti except the 2080Ti... so yeah, dissapointed..
 
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GoodBoy said:
One of those graphs showed the 5700XT 2% below the VII... that's kinda sad really. The VII is 7nm navi also right? If so it shows that the HBM2 isn't helping anything at all vs GDDR6. This shows to me that nVidia has been making better decisions regarding the architectures, etc. I did like that AMD seemed to be pushing the envelope with HBM2, but we didn't get anything for it. nVidia is also pushing the envelope with RTX, and RTX is at least a tangible improvement in lighting quality/realism.

All of the For/Against regarding RTX: RTX is here to stay. As far as the decision on whether it is useful or not, one thing we know is that Battlefield V has a crappy DX12 pipeline, and a crappy RTX implementation. It was the worst possible choice to showcase the new technology. Vulkan supports raytracing now, and is usually faster than DX12. Soon as something good comes out from iD that supports raytracing, we will finally see what it can do when handled by a skilled dev team. Impressions will likely shift.
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VII is 7nm vega. HBM2 will not show much advantage in gaming no. It will however show advantage in content creation. AMD bet a few years back that they would be able to get supply of HBM2 memory cheap enough to make the switch work. That didn't really pan out and the prices didn't drop as expected. Which is why we never got low end AMD cards using vega. HBM I'm sure will stick around on radeon pro cards for awhile at least.

And as for RTX.... the 2000 series cards are just not beefy enough to really handle that. It's not going to matter which developer is coding for it. There are other DXR games out there and turning it on kills performance in those games as well. The only card that can be argued is capable is the top of the line 2080ti as long as you are willing to potentially turn some other stuff down or drop your resolution. Tracing + 4k + sustained high frame rates are still not really going to happen even on the top end card. It is much like the first generation tesselation or AA cards.... great new feature, still first gen hardware won't cut it.

ID isn't going to save the first generation with their next release. They are more likely to tune it for streaming (they have said that is exactly what they are doing) which you would suspect may favor AMD as Google is using 7nm vega hardware. (IDs exact teeser words was that they are working on ways to make the STREAMING version unique in ways that are impossible on any other platform... we'll see what that means in a few months)
 
GoodBoy said:
Overall I am disappointed. AMD releases a card that basically matches a card released last year... same old boring AMD story.
Why can't they release something new that is FASTER than a competitors 10 month old product? They could have, but didn't... just drop the price another $100 across the board, then it would have been exciting... for low end and midrange anyway.
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Well they do compete with the RTX 2070 level cards, and helped bring the price down. Nvidia was charging $200 more than they should have with the launch of the RTX 2070. AMD just keeping Nvidia prices around where they should be is good enough. This will help at the end end because they will have to lower the 2080/2080ti prices as well otherwise the value proposition starts getting skewed.

The main question is can they continue this next year? If Nvidia releases a new generation AMD better have cards at least up to the **70s that trade blows performance wise. If they lag behind by half a year or can't make anything notable faster than what they have now we'll be repeating the RX 480 situation all over again. Hopefully AMD has faster things in the works that can be produced in volume.
 
Gamer X said:
All of these SUPER & NAVI reviews favor the buyer, but Navi in almost any game is the clear choice to offer friends, because next year the whole entire Industry changes with the release of TWO colossal Console Systems and with Navi GPU you are full-on in the middle of RDNA + FreeSync2.0 + HDR craze.
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I would never recommend such a hot and loud card to anyone. I'd actually recommend the 2060S just because the difference in performance is going to be less noticeable than the card being 2-3x as loud and anyone that needs a recommendation isn't going to be thinking about spending money on a new cooler. Once we see what the AIBs do with Navi that might change but with the current cooler it's a joke to suggest recommending to an average user.
 
Bankie said:
I would never recommend such a hot and loud card to anyone. I'd actually recommend the 2060S just because the difference in performance is going to be less noticeable than the card being 2-3x as loud and anyone that needs a recommendation isn't going to be thinking about spending money on a new cooler. Once we see what the AIBs do with Navi that might change but with the current cooler it's a joke to suggest recommending to an average user.
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Never buy a blower. Even a 1060 blower is hot and loud.

Any GPU can be cool and quiet with the right cooler. We know the 5700 is gonna get aftermarket cooling.
 
Aside from the cooling issues, Navi is a good value after the last minute price drops. For RTX 2060 prices, the 5700 beats the RTX 2060 and trades with the RTX 2060 Super.

And for $100 less than the RTX 2070, the 5700XT beats the 2070 and is very near the 2070 Super.
 
Sabrewulf... said:
Ahh bullshit, my Vega 64 AIO mod cost $50 (after $20 rebate) plus a bit for the little heatsinks / screws.

My Firestrke Ultra GFX score 6149

RX 5700XT 6019

RTX 2070 Pooper 5937

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Mods such as yours are the exception, not the rule. A gpu waterblock is $150.

The 5700xt is a great card for the money and I'd recommend one over a 2070 super, but you amd shills are out of control
 
I personally like blower cards in small cases. Would rather run my gpu stock and over clock my cpu. Not sure why it has to be so loud though. Louder than anything else from what I've read, except maybe a 5800 ultra.
 
Snowdog said:
In essence all they accomplished was cancel each other out and end up where they started from a competitive perspective, but less money in their pockets, and better deals for consumers.

It would be nice if they went one more round and pushed 5700 to $299, but that won't happen anytime soon.
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Microcenter has $50 off 5700 with CPU purchase which makes it $299 + tax. Just sayin'....not sure if that is an option for you.

Edit: Didn't finish reading the thread before I saw someone already mentioned this.
 
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Mylex said:
Just browsed an article on AMD's RIS tech nothing in-depth but showed a noticeable improvement in Strange Brigade and Shadow of The Tomb Raider textures.

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-5700-image-sharpening-comparison
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Problem with sharpening is it introduces noise. Notable in the rocks on the first pic. The higher your resolution is the more you'll see it.

Would love some more samples and I'm sure soon there will be many.

Same problems as Digital Photography has always had. Needs to be balanced between AA and Sharp.
 
I’m not a huge fan of Jayz2cents but he was saying his sources at AMD we’re comparing 5700 and 5700 XT to Ryzen 1st gen. The architecture is apparently very scalable but I’m not buying it.

Gamers Nexus was talking about 105c temps and every other reviewer has said these cards run hot and power hungry.

There is only so much that shitty blower cooler can do and it’s apparently already at its limits.

What really intrigues me is the consoles.

If we assume 5700/5700XT performance + Ryzen 3700 @ 3.2Ghz that’ll be hot as hell in that form factor.

I’m not impressed with Navi. This is the mid tier and it’s hot, power hungry and not very efficient.

Next year will see nVidia on 7nm and that is going to cripple Navi. I don’t see how it scales up like Ryzen. Ryzen 2 saw more IPC at lower TDP like you’d expect. We didn’t see that from Navi. It took a 7nm node to get them into the same performance envelope of nVidia at 12nm and it’s hot/power hungry.

I dunno I’ll stick with my 1070 Ti until 2020 and see what nVidia brings at 7nm.
 
Uvaman2 said:
Better price /perf ratio, and a hard launch = AMD sucks.
Huh? Did I miss something?
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That sums the thread up. Welcome to 2019... I'm ok with it but would say wait for better coolers or water cool these immediately. Power draw is actually also respectable.
 
mnewxcv said:
I personally like blower cards in small cases. Would rather run my gpu stock and over clock my cpu. Not sure why it has to be so loud though. Louder than anything else from what I've read, except maybe a 5800 ultra.
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Thats not what im reading .. at least in the extreme tech review.
From there:
The 5700 and 5700 XT are quiet. No, they aren’t inaudible — but they’re head and shoulders better than any high-end reference card AMD has launched in this approximate price bracket for a very long time. When we met with AMD at E3, we were told that the blowers were locked to a maximum sound level of 42 dBa. That sounds (no pun intended) about right to us.

So. The RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT offer moderately better performance than the RTX 2060 and RTX 2070, respectively. They’re much quieter than the Vega 64 or Radeon VII. How do they compare on power consumption?
 
Better price/performance by single digit percentage points? Meaning a few dollars? Is this what we are celebrating? Nvidia has every segment performance crown, every one, at 16nm. I stood with my mouse ready to pull the trigger on a full AMD build, and I cant, it wouldnt make sense. Stop celebrating moral victories. Someone said earlier that this launch does nothing to drop the ridiculous prices of the 2080/2080ti, and that is right on the money. Talk to me when the 5700's drop another 50 dollars in price, then they are sort of compelling.
 
mnewxcv said:
I personally like blower cards in small cases. Would rather run my gpu stock and over clock my cpu. Not sure why it has to be so loud though. Louder than anything else from what I've read, except maybe a 5800 ultra.
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Weird thing is that it looks like the 5700XT has an additional vent that exhaust into the case. I suppose it could be an additional intake, but I suspect that isn't the way these fans work and it's more exhaust. Someone with an XT in operation should be able to verify:
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Snowdog said:
Weird thing is that it looks like the 5700XT has an additional vent that exhaust into the case. I suppose it could be an additional intake, but I suspect that isn't the way these fans work and it's more exhaust. Someone with an XT in operation should be able to verify:
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no that heatsink has no airflow going over it from the blower but it is attached to the plate that the vapor chamber is attached to. check GN's tear down video.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
no that heatsink has no airflow going over it from the blower but it is attached to the plate that the vapor chamber is attached to. check GN's tear down video.
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A passive vent?

Edit: watched it. IMO it's almost certainly useless. A fake vent.
 
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Uvaman2 said:
Better price /perf ratio, and a hard launch = AMD sucks.
Huh? Did I miss something?
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It's too little too late imho. Would have been more interesting at another $50 or $100 off. These are 7nm so a smaller process = more chips per wafer = cheaper. Yet they are happy to "match" nVidia's price/performance ratio or maybe beat it just barely, meaning they are only too happy with current GPU prices (Thanks to nVidia) and are not doing us any real favors. It's not really "competition" when they are so close to the competitors price/perf. People are claiming we owe the lower price of the SUPER cards thanks to AMD, but I'm not buying that... nVidia's price was set and it was AMD who had to lower their prices... So yeah, thanks for nothing AMD. And anyone who does buy these cards owes the price cut they got just before launch to nVidia...

Mylex said:
That sums the thread up. Welcome to 2019... I'm ok with it but would say wait for better coolers or water cool these immediately. Power draw is actually also respectable.
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And having to buy better cooling means the price/perf advantage is now GONE on these. Better off with a SUPER no matter how you spin it.

You guys seriously expect me to get excited that AMD is essentially matching nVidia's price/perf, 10 months late, and still no high end part??
 
Interesting….
I replied to you last night and that reply was deleted/erased/hidden.... without any warning. So I am going to try this again.. Moderator?​


GoodBoy said:
Yeah, and if you have to go replacing cooling components, the AMD price advantage is gone. "nVidia releases cards with blowers tooo.." yeah, and they are faster, using blowers! Overall I am disappointed. AMD releases a card that basically matches a card released last year... same old boring AMD story.
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It is the same old boring AMD story, because you opened the book, but didn't bother to turn the first page..


Why can't they release something new that is FASTER than a competitors 10 month old product? They could have, but didn't... just drop the price another $100 across the board, then it would have been exciting... for low end and midrange anyway.

Where's the high end part? It's all new, 7nm, and lands in the midrange. It's Vega all over again = dissapointment²...
And those temps, even on 7nm? It's clear AMD is doing what they have been doing for years, push the silicon right to the bleeding edge. So good luck overclocking. Better cooling might help, but now the things price is out of whack.. better off with a 2070 Super (which comes with better stock cooling, factor that into the price).

These do nothing to lower the price of the 2080Ti's... or even the 2080's.
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Not only are AMD's 5700 series predominantly faster than their competitors from 10 months ago, the 5700 Series also performs better than their competitors cards that are being released on this exact day, TODAY.

So, one does not have to look at Nvidia's 10 month old products to know how fast and efficient the 5700 series, they can now directly compare them to SUPER. And many of those reviews are in. I suggest you read a good 4~5 more to get a handle on it.

Also, AMD (Dr Su) targeted the midrange with the Navi first, because that is where the mainstream is at. And how you quickly assert your dominance on the Industry. The 5700 Series (little Navi) is based on a 40cu RDNA(1) chip, while the "big Navi" will most likely have 64CUs, based on RDNA2+ w/2080ti levels of performance. Big Navi is said to be 6-months behind little navi, so that means we will see AMD's 3rd generation 7nm GPU before we see Nvidia's first...!!


One of those graphs showed the 5700XT 2% below the VII... that's kinda sad really. The VII is 7nm navi also right? If so it shows that the HBM2 isn't helping anything at all vs GDDR6. This shows to me that nVidia has been making better decisions regarding the architectures, etc. I did like that AMD seemed to be pushing the envelope with HBM2, but we didn't get anything for it. nVidia is also pushing the envelope with RTX, and RTX is at least a tangible improvement in lighting quality/realism.
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There are numerous reviews that show both the 5700 & 5700x outperforming the VII.. that isn't bad news, but excellent news for Gamers and RDNA architecture. It illustrates how powerful of a chip Navi actually is.

No, the Radeon VII is not Navi... it is Vega architecture.
(ie: Radeon Vega 7 nm).


All of the For/Against regarding RTX: RTX is here to stay. As far as the decision on whether it is useful or not, one thing we know is that Battlefield V has a crappy DX12 pipeline, and a crappy RTX implementation. It was the worst possible choice to showcase the new technology. Vulkan supports raytracing now, and is usually faster than DX12. Soon as something good comes out from iD that supports raytracing, we will finally see what it can do when handled by a skilled dev team. Impressions will likely shift.

Still no worthwile upgrade from my 2 year old 1080Ti except the 2080Ti... so yeah, dissapointed.
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RTX is essentially dead and in about 11 month will be EOL, when Nvidia releases their first 7nm GPU. Nvidia's "RTX On" is a faulty attempt at proprietary glory like PhysX. It was shunned by reviewers, fans, gamers and industry. It doesn't just work and it takes a lot of time to pre-back in Nvidia's solution.

Cards from both Nvidia and AMD that can do real time ray tracing are coming in 2020. (AMD is far ahead of Nvidia at this point.)
 
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next-Jin said:
If we assume 5700/5700XT performance + Ryzen 3700 @ 3.2Ghz that’ll be hot as hell in that form factor.
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No they won't, go back to the PS4 time and look up the power required for the type of gpu+cpu combo they used and they were able to fit it without any issue. a slight undervolting of the gpu helps AMD a great deal in most practical senses, and if needed then they just have to improve the cooling. the possible area inside a console case is already much bigger than inside a video card, so they could just use a vapor champer with much bigger, slower, fans to achieve similar airflow and keep everything peachy.
 
Gamer X said:
There are numerous reviews that show both the 5700 & 5700x outperforming the VII.. that isn't bad news, but excellent news for Gamers and RDNA architecture. It illustrates how powerful of a chip Navi actually is.​
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Care to link any of those? The only game that I saw where that was close to happening was F1 2018. Other than that, I never saw the XT, especially the non-XT surpass Vega VII.​
 
Gamer X said:
...Not only are AMD's 5700 series predominantly faster than their competitors from 10 months ago, the 5700 Series also performs better than their competitors cards that are being released on this exact day, TODAY.
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Trading blows, so basically equal. Where is the historic AMD price/perf advantage? There isn't one, i.e. its weak competition. Now if they lower the prices again, that will change.

Gamer X said:
Also, AMD (Dr Su) targeted the midrange with the Navi first, because that is where the mainstream is at. And how you quickly assert your dominance on the Industry.
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Are you sure because it doesn't seem to be working. Not sure any of AMD's GPU's have been dominate in many many years.

Gamer X said:
The 5700 Series (little Navi) is based on a 40cu RDNA(1) chip, while the "big Navi" will most likely have 64CUs, based on RDNA2+ w/2080ti levels of performance.
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Speculation (regarding performance) but we can hope.

Gamer X said:
Big Navi is said to be 6-months behind little navi, so that means we will see AMD's 3rd generation 7nm GPU before we see Nvidia's first...!!
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6 months behind? So it will take 1.5 years or more for them to possibly match a 2080Ti? By then, nVidia will be on 7nm and 2nd gen RTX... it's too little too late, unless they drop it for under $500. But if this launch is any indication, they are happy with nVidia level pricing, and initially wanted it to be even higher...

Gamer X said:
There are numerous reviews that show both the 5700 & 5700x outperforming the VII.. that isn't bad news, but excellent news for Gamers and RDNA architecture. It illustrates how powerful of a chip Navi actually is.
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We can hope.

Gamer X said:
No, the Radeon VII is not Navi... it is Vega architecture. (ie: Radeon Vega 7 nm).
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Thanks, Chad also clarified that. And as soon as I read it I remembered, it was a possible way to see potential performance increases of the shift to 7nm, keeping the same architecture. Can't remember how much boost it actually was.

Gamer X said:
RTX is essentially dead and in about 11 month will be EOL, when Nvidia releases their first 7nm GPU. Nvidia's "RTX On" is a faulty attempt at proprietary glory like PhysX. It was shunned by reviewers, fans, gamers and industry. It doesn't just work and it takes a lot of time to pre-back in Nvidia's solution.
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RTX isn't going anywhere. AMD has announced it in the upcoming console GPU's, quite a few games are coming out with support. I believe you are mistaken that it is dead.

Gamer X said:
Cards from both Nvidia and AMD that can do real time ray tracing are coming in 2020. (AMD is far ahead of Nvidia at this point.)
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AMD is far ahead? Absolutely nothing points to this conclusion. Even with a 7nm chip they are only catching up to the midrange nVidia chips that are on what 12 or 14nm? It's not looking good for AMD's GPU's.
 
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GoodBoy said:
And having to buy better cooling means the price/perf advantage is now GONE on these. Better off with a SUPER no matter how you spin it.

You guys seriously expect me to get excited that AMD is essentially matching nVidia's price/perf, 10 months late, and still no high end part??
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How does waiting for a board partner's better cooler cost more ? I don't recommend anyone buying the blower version of any card unless its a must for use case. Prices of GPUs from both sides are higher then they should be, this launch just keeps it more over priced on Nvidia's side. If someone has 400 to spend I'm saying 5700,5700xt(nonblower versions) and then a used 1080ti. Even at $500 I would say the same unless they want to play with raytracing then I would say a 2070s. In this climate of gpu prices we are losing and the only way to correct this is to not buy, unfortunately I won't make that sacrifice.If anyone released a card that gave me 20% more raster and 50% more raytracing then the 2080ti I would buy even up to 1600.




Added this after seeing your graph.(Radeon vii is still garbage)
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Partner boards with better cooling are pretty much always more expensive. We will know once some actually come out.

Looking at the graph, the 5700XT basically matches a 1080Ti. I've already had a 1080Ti for 2 years... so no, nothing to get excited about. Guess I will be waiting until Ampere/7nm for a real boost in performance.

Which sucks because I have been wanting to get a 165Hz or 200Hz panel... and I will need more performance when I do.
 
GoodBoy said:
Trading blows, so basically equal. Where is the historic AMD price/perf advantage? There isn't one, i.e. its weak competition. Now if they lower the prices again, that will change.
Are you sure because it doesn't seem to be working. Not sure any of AMD's GPU's have been dominate in many many years.

Speculation but we can hope.

6 months behind? So it will take 1.5 years or more for them to possibly match a 2080Ti? By then, nVidia will be on 7nm and 2nd gen RTX... it's too little too late, unless they drop it for under $500. But if this launch is any indication, they are happy with nVidia level pricing, and initially wanted it to be even higher...

We can hope.

Thanks, Chad also clarified that. And as soon as I read it I remembered, it was a possible way to see potential performance increases of the shift to 7nm, keeping the same architecture. Can't remember how much boost it actually was.

So you are saying nVidia's 7nm card will kill RTX? You think they are ditching it? Pretty sure the opposite is occuring. AMD has announced it in the upcoming console GPU's, quite a few games are coming out with support. I believe you are mistaken.

AMD is far ahead? Absolutely nothing points to this conclusion. Even with a 7nm chip they are only catching up to the midrange nVidia chips that are on what 12 or 14nm? It's not looking good for AMD's GPU's.
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Seriously?
How can you even respectively reply, if you don't go and read 4 or 5 more SUPER reviews..? And no the 5700 is not trading blows with the RTX2060, it is trading blows with cards much higher in price. These are facts and repeated in 20+ reviews. But TODAY as SUPER OC reviews come in, they are painting a bleak picture for Turing against Navi.

You would not know, because you did not take the time investment.



Yes, Nvidia is nearly 10 months behind AMD in gaming GPUs. It will be some time in the fall of 2020 before we see Nvidia's next gaming architecture. until then, all we get are burnt out Pro/CAD chips w/SUPER. If you are some how worried about 4k gaming, then stand in line because 2020 is coming. (My RTX2080 barely pushes 1440p ultrawide.)

The entire Industry knows that AMD is well ahead of Nvidia in terms of mainstream 4k gaming. Given 7nm, and economy of scale... when big navi hits in 6 month it will cost about the same as little navi to make, & be priced less than the Radeon VII. Again... the 5800 series will give AMD customers 2080ti's level of gaming performance w/7nm efficiencies for about $599 bucks. SUPER doesn't compete with Navi right now, and if on the edge and trading blows with SUPER in your fav game, then expect Navi to get better over time, where as Turing gains are already done.

Navi will only get faster and more optimized for as Developers optimize of Radeon's new RDNA architecture, while TURING is EOL.
 
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Gamer X said:
Seriously?
How can you even respectively reply, if you don't go and read 4 or 5 more SUPER reviews..? And no the 5700 is not trading blows with the RTX2060, it is trading blows with cards much higher in price. These are facts and repeated in 20+ reviews. But TODAY as SUPER OC reviews come in, they are painting a bleak picture for Turing against Navi.

You would not know, because you did not take the time investment.



Yes, Nvidia is nearly 10 months behind AMD in gaming GPUs. It will be some time in the fall of 2020 before we see Nvidia's next gaming architecture. until then, all we get are burnt out Pro/CAD chips w/SUPER. If you are some how worried about 4k gaming, then stand in line because 2020 is coming. (My RTX2080 barely pushes 1440p ultrawide.)

The entire Industry knows that AMD is well ahead of Nvidia in terms of mainstream 4k gaming. Given 7nm, and economy of scale... when big navi hits in 6 month it will cost about the same as little navi to make, & be priced less than the Radeon VII. Again... the 5800 series will give AMD customers 2080ti's level of gaming performance w/7nm efficiencies for about $599 bucks. SUPER doesn't compete with Navi right now, and if on the edge and trading blows with SUPER in your fav game, then expect Navi to get better over time, where as Turing gains are already done.

Navi will only get faster and more optimized for as Developers optimize of Radeon's new RDNA architecture, while TURING is EOL.
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What a troll. None of what you've said is correct in any way except for Navi maybe getting faster over time. It took AMD's 7nm process just to nip at NV's heels on 14nm. Once NV moves to their new process it's likely going to be a slaughter.

The Super cards are faster than their Navi counterparts and it pans out the same way in EVERY review. Here are some of TPU's charts. I didn't include the 4k chart as the current Navi cards are even further behind their competition.

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These are mid-tier cards as they were intended to be. The vast majority of people do not buy at the top of the stack. If you are [H]ard Supreme then by all means grab dual 20180Ti's and go nuts.

I have a 1070, I was never going to spend the money for a 1080 or 1080Ti. Same with 2080/2080Ti. $400 is the most I'm spending. You can get 5 or more years out of a good CPU under $400. GPU even at $700 you may get 3 years; not the ROI I'm looking for. I may get a 3rd party 5700XT when I rebuild later this year.
 
Navi is hitting it's intended target well, the OG 2060/2070. NV just happened to be a step ahead with the Super cards.
 
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