Does your Wraith MAX RGB suck or is it me?

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Does the top of the line Wraith max suck or is just me?

My 3900x is sitting at 60 to 70 idle. Probably a bad seat.

Gonna put my raystorm on it tomorrow and water cool it but for tonight I just wanted to see what it could do on included air cooler.

It is probably not seated right ot else the wraith max can't wick away 105 watts of heat.

Anyone else notice this or is this just me?
 
those are some really high idle temps... something isn't right. i'm having trouble finding 3900x idle temps in reviews but in one review i see the 3900x a bit over 70* under load and in another i see the 3700x idling in the low 30s, both with the stock coolers. 60-70 is ludicrously high for idle for any cpu
 
tangoseal said:
Does the top of the line Wraith max suck or is just me?

My 3900x is sitting at 60 to 70 idle. Probably a bad seat.

Gonna put my raystorm on it tomorrow and water cool it but for tonight I just wanted to see what it could do on included air cooler.

It is probably not seated right ot else the wraith max can't wick away 105 watts of heat.

Anyone else notice this or is this just me?
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Did you remember to remove that little clear protective cover that protects the thermal
Paste? (It's happened to the best of us)
 
Brian_B said:
It's not you, it's me.
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Lol

My 3600x idles at 50c. And that's worth a kraken x52. I'm going to reseat it and apply some artic silver to see if I can lower it. The kraken was keeping my i7 6700k around 31 or 32c.
 
Full contact bro. This thing was making my chip hit 90c in just a simple benchmark like CB r15.

I'm gonna put my Raystorm h2o block on it later today or even try my old hyper 212 evo to see if makes a difference. I really wanted to see what the stock cooler can do. Unless somehow my wraith has leaked all the small amount of liquid in the heat pipes as a manufacturing defect???

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let us know how that 212 preforms with that chip. i think the 212 fits the o11 and i might run that.
 
So whichever wraith rgb came with my 2700x... I did use it at first to see how it was. For a stock cooler it's not terrible and it's neat looking. I didn't like the whine with it running at full speed though, which it did a lot. I traded it out for Hyper 212 TR (push/pull) and my temps dropped 20 degrees.

I also use an ancient 212+ with am4 scissor adapter and some home engineering (plastic spacers under the backplate to fix the loose ass mount) on my plex server's 1700 and it's still better than the wraith even in 1 fan mode.

I mean I guess we shouldn't complain too loud, my last intel chip didn't even come with a heatsink (6600k). But if I could have saved $10 off the price by skipping the heatsink, I would have.

edit - it also matters what temp software you're using, some are just wrong. IE - Speccy says my cpu is 92c right now typing this doing nothing else. Core temp and Ryzen master says 34c.
 
tangoseal said:
Full contact bro. This thing was making my chip hit 90c in just a simple benchmark like CB r15.

I'm gonna put my Raystorm h2o block on it later today or even try my old hyper 212 evo to see if makes a difference. I really wanted to see what the stock cooler can do. Unless somehow my wraith has leaked all the small amount of liquid in the heat pipes as a manufacturing defect???

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I don't know if it was just me but that TIM was like cement. Didn't even realize how much they preapplied.

Going to try temps with my Xigmatek Balder once I get my build up and running.
 
Ok so I discovered my Gigabyte .aster x570 was a little harsh with voltages.

Thus after lowering using negative offset the temps are definitely cooler.

I think its like others have stated being an early adopter issue. No biggie.

I think the wraith Prism by CoolerMaster is a gorgeous fan and heatsink. But I'm fully water cooled now with my custom loop. I'll use the fan on my other rig.
 
Ek and byski really need to get x570 chipset blocks out.

Full coverage blocks maybe not, they can link chipset to CPU-vrm-memory controller
 
finally got my 3900x running and the volts seem a tad much. running 1.375 with stock but it is boosting to 4.15 on all cores on its own
have 240 AIO and its keeping it at around 75c so not too bad
 
tangoseal said:
Full contact bro. This thing was making my chip hit 90c in just a simple benchmark like CB r15.

I'm gonna put my Raystorm h2o block on it later today or even try my old hyper 212 evo to see if makes a difference. I really wanted to see what the stock cooler can do. Unless somehow my wraith has leaked all the small amount of liquid in the heat pipes as a manufacturing defect???

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From that pic, that is a terrible manufacturing job on the thermal interface. The heatpipes are not even with the copper baseplate, so the TIM isn't even getting squished out between each heatpipe. That thing needs to be lapped down.

tangoseal said:
Ok so I discovered my Gigabyte .aster x570 was a little harsh with voltages.
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I was hoping this could be a cause as well - glad you checked. But seriously, that heatsink is not what I would call "flat". Cooler Master failed on this one. (CM is the OEM for AMD heatsinks if I recall GamersNexus videos correctly).
 
Azrak said:
From that pic, that is a terrible manufacturing job on the thermal interface. The heatpipes are not even with the copper baseplate, so the TIM isn't even getting squished out between each heatpipe. That thing needs to be lapped down.





I was hoping this could be a cause as well - glad you checked. But seriously, that heatsink is not what I would call "flat". Cooler Master failed on this one. (CM is the OEM for AMD heatsinks if I recall GamersNexus videos correctly).
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Here is mine for comparison

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motqalden said:
Here is mine for comparison
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Yours looks a little better than tangoseal's.

I've used a few Hyper 212's and other heatsinks that have a similar design where the heatpipe tubes are interlaced with the copper block, like your picture shows. But in all of the ones I had, the manufacturer used a machining process that actually removed enough material on the heatpipes to make the surface level with the copper block in between them. You could see the grinding marks left over from the machining leaving the surface slightly rough like it had been sandpapered.

It's like they (the manufacturer) weren't aggressive enough during the final machining process.
 
Those pics look very similar to me, don't really see a difference. And I have used many Hyper 212's and their mating surface is never awesome. But as long as the heat pipes are making contact, seems to work fine. The gaps in between the pipes are just copper filler anyway.
 
Would be interested to see where the dies fall within the paste contact area. I'm curious, other than the voltages being high, if the chiplet die is falling mostly on a single heatpipe. Being soldered I'd hope it wouldn't matter, but I'd still be curious.
 
Randall Stephens said:
Would be interested to see where the dies fall within the paste contact area. I'm curious, other than the voltages being high, if the chiplet die is falling mostly on a single heatpipe. Being soldered I'd hope it wouldn't matter, but I'd still be curious.
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The ihs should distribute heat according to the low heat capacity of copper. Copper has a very low heat capacity thus it should distribute heat rapidly across the whole surface area for the heat pipes to pickup and transfer away.
 
tangoseal said:
The ihs should distribute heat according to the low heat capacity of copper. Copper has a very low heat capacity thus it should distribute heat rapidly across the whole surface area for the heat pipes to pickup and transfer away.
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I agree 100% with what you're saying. I just rememder that in the GN review they mentioned that threadripper has all the dies within the footprint of the coldplate for most AIOs, and that they should be fine to use. Like you said, probably doesn't mater, just a wonder of mine.
 
Randall Stephens said:
I agree 100% with what you're saying. I just rememder that in the GN review they mentioned that threadripper has all the dies within the footprint of the coldplate for most AIOs, and that they should be fine to use. Like you said, probably doesn't mater, just a wonder of mine.
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I seem to remember Kyle having issues with some waterblocks on threadripper for that reason
 
Burticus said:
I seem to remember Kyle having issues with some waterblocks on threadripper for that reason
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No the problem was a bad design. The first round of EK blocks had such a small count of microfins there was no way to strip the thermals away fast enough. Subsequent designs added more microfin channels. It turns out that XSPC was a significantly superior waterblock which I ended up buying.
 
tangoseal said:
No the problem was a bad design. The first round of EK blocks had such a small count of microfins there was no way to strip the thermals away fast enough. Subsequent designs added more microfin channels. It turns out that XSPC was a significantly superior waterblock which I ended up buying.
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Gotcha, thx
 
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