NVIDIA RTX 2070 & 2060 Super at Amazon

5150Joker said:
I don't see this price on Amazon being the actual MSRP when they start shipping in volume. It's likely just a guesstimate placeholder from Amazon until they're released on July 9th. I can see these being like $20-30 more than the current 2060/2070 and the current ones dropping down by $50ish. I'll continue to wait on the 7nm refresh from NVIDIA. Like others have said, my Titan X (Pascal) from 2016 is still going strong and slaying everything at 1440p so I've got no need to upgrade yet--it was an expensive purchase initially but has paid off in spades since I've never held on to a graphics card as long as this.
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Considering what you paid for that card you own, not sure how you really expect Nvidia to price their cards so as not to benefit themselves the most. I would say those prices are very close if not entirely accurate. After all, they are pretty much in line with the release prices of the previous cards.
 
Uvaman2 said:
Holy shit 600?
I thought it was going to be lower.
AMD should aggressively price war...
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LOL the trend is NV has wanted you to keep paying more and more, so this was expected. I never bought that $100 less than non-super variants rumor. Anyone remember "the good old days" when a 1070ti only set you back $450? Super = renamed Ti in my opinion.
Also why a price war? AMD tried that for years, people still gobble up their NV cards. Now, with such a massive market % NV is squeezing out as much $$ out of their loyalists.
 
5150Joker said:
I don't see this price on Amazon being the actual MSRP when they start shipping in volume. It's likely just a guesstimate placeholder from Amazon until they're released on July 9th. I can see these being like $20-30 more than the current 2060/2070 and the current ones dropping down by $50ish. I'll continue to wait on the 7nm refresh from NVIDIA. Like others have said, my Titan X (Pascal) from 2016 is still going strong and slaying everything at 1440p so I've got no need to upgrade yet--it was an expensive purchase initially but has paid off in spades since I've never held on to a graphics card as long as this.
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I see no reason why these wouldn’t be accurate. Remember, both models linked in this thread are not EVGA’s base model card. They’re both upper tier XC models which means they will cost more than MSRP. If Videocardz numbers are right then these higher prices make sense.
 
Looks like TPU got the scoop on pricing:


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So not TOO bad but not great either. Still a hard pass from me until 7nm.
 
/dev/null said:
Next up: You are no longer able to buy Nvidia RTX 3xxx cards unless you know Scientific Notation, as the price is expressed in Scientific Notation.
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There's an app for scientific notation. And that app comes free with your Wells Fargo VISA card, but it will only provide the result by request, through email, after you place your order.

ManofGod said:
... Also, triple slot 2060? LOL!
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I don't understand the need for a triple slot. At the prices they're charging, why are they making it harder to shove it up my ass?
 
GoldenTiger said:
Wrong. They have been killing it on their financials.
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Yeah, they’re absolutely killing it. Q1 revenue down nearly $1 billion year over year, and sequential quarterly growth was a measly $10 million.

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-first-quarter-fiscal-2020

While they might have beat Wall Street estimates, revenue is still 31% down year-over-year and their stock price is down 45% from its high last year. Even more to the point, their gaming segment was down a whopping 39%:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/16/nvidia-earnings-q1-2020.html

Jensen stating the Q2 outlook is lower than original estimates. That doesn’t look like they’re “killing it” to me. But, let’s talk about their RTX cards:

https://marketrealist.com/2019/06/whats-pressuring-nvidias-gaming-business/

Oops, losing market share to AMD:

https://marketrealist.com/2019/06/nvidia-loses-some-discrete-gpu-market-share-to-amd/

Even Jensen said “Nvidia is back on an upward trajectory” in the first link, implying things haven’t been going as planned. Of course, my initial point was that RTX sales haven’t met expectations and nVidia has apparently decided to double down on their stupidity, and these articles support that claim.
 
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Thank you frgmaster for the absolute steal of a deal for my 2070. Saved like 45% for something over the super version for what probably won't be a 45% increase in performance.
 
5150Joker said:
Looks like TPU got the scoop on pricing:


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So not TOO bad but not great either. Still a hard pass from me until 7nm.
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So... finally 2 years later... we can get the same performance for $699. Exciting! :D

Maybe in another 2 years we can get something a tiny weeny bit faster for $699 than the 1080 Ti.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
Yeah, they’re absolutely killing it. Q1 revenue down nearly $1 billion year over year, and sequential quarterly growth was a measly $10 million.

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-first-quarter-fiscal-2020

While they might have beat Wall Street estimates, revenue is still 31% down year-over-year and their stock price is down 45% from its high last year. Even more to the point, their gaming segment was down a whopping 39%:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/16/nvidia-earnings-q1-2020.html

Jensen stating the Q2 outlook is lower than original estimates. That doesn’t look like they’re “killing it” to me. But, let’s talk about their RTX cards:

https://marketrealist.com/2019/06/whats-pressuring-nvidias-gaming-business/

Oops, losing market share to AMD:

https://marketrealist.com/2019/06/nvidia-loses-some-discrete-gpu-market-share-to-amd/

Even Jensen said “Nvidia is back on an upward trajectory” in the first link, implying things haven’t been going as planned. Of course, my initial point was that RTX sales haven’t met expectations and nVidia has apparently decided to double down on their stupidity, and these articles support that claim.
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Glad you posted that. Don't know how anyone could say NVDA is killing it. Consolidated income and quarterly earnings growth are down near 70% from year ago. Furthermore, Nvidia's gaming revenue dropped by near half in same time period. All the while Nvidia's R&D costs have been rising. No doubt much to do with their inevitable shift toward driver-less auto tech. Revenues from which rose over 25% last year. We must face fact that PC gaming is an ever shrinking percentage of the market. Precious little new blood coming in. Bloated prices during the mining boom certainly did not help matters.
 
Susquehannock said:
Glad you posted that. Don't know how anyone could say NVDA is killing it. Consolidated income and quarterly earnings growth are down near 70% from year ago. Furthermore, Nvidia's gaming revenue dropped by near half in same time period. All the while Nvidia's R&D costs have been rising. No doubt much to do with their inevitable shift toward driver-less auto tech. Revenues from which rose over 25% last year. We must face fact that PC gaming is an ever shrinking percentage of the market. Precious little new blood coming in. Bloated prices during the mining boom certainly did not help matters.
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This has really become favorite misleading use of data, for everyone with some kind of NVidia axe to grind. NVidia revenues were inflated a large amount by the crypto-mining madness. This "big loss" is just things returning to normal. Or in the words of Anandtech:

NVIDIA Q1 FY 2020 Earnings Report: Post-Crypto Reset

"Although seeing such a drop is never good, some perspective is required. NVIDIA’s 2019 fiscal year was a standout. Revenue in Q1 2019 was $3.2 billion, with a net income of $1.2 billion. But if you go back to Q1 2018, revenue was $1.9 billion, and net income was $507 million, which is much closer to Q1 2020. Comparing Q1 2018 to Q1 2020 has 2020 up 14.6% on revenue, and net income down 28.6%. Clearly the inflated results thanks to a perfect storm for NVIDIA’s 2019 financials has ended though, and the company has been thrust back to reality. Luckily reality for the company is that a Q1 of $2.2 billion makes it easily their second best Q1 ever, so I think they’ll be OK."
 
IndyColtsFan said:
Of course, my initial point was that RTX sales haven’t met expectations and nVidia has apparently decided to double down on their stupidity, and these articles support that claim.
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And unfortunately none of your links to articles about Nvidia's stock prices and business overall directly supports the narrative that RTX CaRdZ ArE ToO ExPensiVe.

Seriously, that's the kid logic. "If RTX cards were cheaper then their stock price would be bettur"
 
gave this topic (seems to center around GPU pricing schemes) some serious thought and came to the following conclusions:

- if you have the cash to spare and you want a high end GPU you will pay the price regardless
- if you can't afford NEW GPU pricing then do what I do ... wait 1-2 years after it is released and buy it USED
- Currently, an GTX 1070 can be had Used for $200 ... that's an ok price (MSRP @ release was $380 less than 3 years ago)
- Mining Craze royally jacked up GPU pricing and IMO coupled with severe lack of availability during the Craze it caused many to abandon PC gaming - perhaps for good
- good rule of thumb: Never sell your first born to fund your GPU purchase
- let's not forget how the most recent games are the old games with better eye candy, less gameplay content and more and longer cut-scenes (aka boring after a few play thru's)
 
Uvaman2 said:
Holy shit 600?
I thought it was going to be lower.
AMD should aggressively price war...
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only loser in a price war would be AMD. I can guarantee that. AMD would rather sell less at higher margin then sell more at much lower margin. On top if AMD lowered prices too much then Nvidia would likely have to react and no one buys amd again lol. I think stuff will return to sanity once you see RDNA 2 high end cards and amd can drive prices down and still have high margins.
 
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Snowdog said:
This has really become favorite misleading use of data, for everyone with some kind of NVidia axe to grind. NVidia revenues were inflated a large amount by the crypto-mining madness. This "big loss" is just things returning to normal. Or in the words of Anandtech:

NVIDIA Q1 FY 2020 Earnings Report: Post-Crypto Reset

"Although seeing such a drop is never good, some perspective is required. NVIDIA’s 2019 fiscal year was a standout. Revenue in Q1 2019 was $3.2 billion, with a net income of $1.2 billion. But if you go back to Q1 2018, revenue was $1.9 billion, and net income was $507 million, which is much closer to Q1 2020. Comparing Q1 2018 to Q1 2020 has 2020 up 14.6% on revenue, and net income down 28.6%. Clearly the inflated results thanks to a perfect storm for NVIDIA’s 2019 financials has ended though, and the company has been thrust back to reality. Luckily reality for the company is that a Q1 of $2.2 billion makes it easily their second best Q1 ever, so I think they’ll be OK."
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Stating numbers is not axe grinding. Sure some perspective helps. Let's apply that equally. Interesting the article, and many similar ones, make no mention of the CFO's statement about poor revenues in regards to the underwhelming Turing launch. But hey ... they're tech sites.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Wrong. They have been killing it on their financials.
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I wouldn't consider two consecutive quarters of revenue decline "killing it".
The only thing great about Nvidia financials this year are the high margins, as usual.

Here are the key numbers (FY2020 Q1 Released May 16 2019)
  • Earnings: 88 cents per share, excluding certain items, vs. 81 cents per share as expected by analysts, according to Refinitiv.
  • Revenue: $2.22 billion, vs. $2.20 billion as expected by analysts, according to Refinitiv.

Nvidia said in a statement that revenue declined some 31% year over year in the quarter, which ended on April 28. Revenue has now fallen for two quarters in a row.

The first-quarter decline had to do with the “absence” of $289 million in revenue from graphics processing units for mining cryptocurrencies, in addition to performance in the gaming and data center markets, Nvidia said.

Net income in the quarter excluding certain items fell to $543 million, or 88 cents per share, from $1.29 billion, or 2.05 per share.

With respect to guidance, Nvidia is calling for revenue of $2.55 billion, plus or minus 2%, in the fiscal second quarter, which implies a year-over-year decline of 18.3%. Analysts surveyed by Refinitiv were looking for $2.54 billion in fiscal second-quarter revenue.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/16/nvidia-earnings-q1-2020.html
 
Susquehannock said:
Stating numbers is not axe grinding. Sure some perspective helps. Let's apply that equally. Interesting the article, and many similar ones, make no mention of the CFO's statement about poor revenues in regards to the underwhelming Turing launch. But hey ... they're tech sites.
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Nvidia, among others, expected the mining bubble to last a lot longer than it did. They were planning according to that. The flood of cheap Pascal on the market definitely didn’t help Turing early on, but a big part of their drop was due to the burst of that mining bubble and suddenly having a shit ton of Pascal inventory to unload. If the sales were as bad as you and others speculate than prices would come down. Nvidia is arrogant as all hell, but they’re not stupid.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Wrong. They have been killing it on their financials.
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From their own financial discolosure;
...for the first quarter ended April 28, 2019, of $2.22 billion compared with $3.21 billion a year earlier...
...GAAP earnings per diluted share for the quarter were $0.64, compared with $1.98 a year ago ...
...Non-GAAP earnings per diluted share were $0.88 compared with $2.05 a year earlier ...

If you go through their most recent report the inventory NV is holding has went up 9% this quarter over last. They went from paying taxes to apparently getting a refund this year. They are still pretty cash flush and have relatively low long term debt. Having said that a year ago they where sitting on a little over 1.3 billion in cash and today they have 592 million... still a ton of cash for a company to be sitting on. Their stock hasn't been hit to hard as they have been agressively runnign a capital return program, returning 3billion to share holders in 2019 including 700 million in direct stock repurchase. Thats aggressive and of course has helped them keep their stock price relatively strong.

I'm not saying their in big trouble. Its just not accurate to say they have been killing anything. No doubt there was some falling to do after the crypto market dried up somewhat... still if they where not rebuying stock right now things would look much different. Long term they need their AI investments to start moving. Over the next few years their 6.9 Billiion dollar purchase of Mellanox needs to pay off.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Nvidia's financials compared to other years that weren't in the mining boom are very good for q1 historically. That's what I meant.
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They have also seen a bit of turn down in the growth of their AI server stuff as well... so to be fair. I don't think the majority of the downturn is from their consumer GPU division anyway.
 
odditory said:
And unfortunately none of your links to articles about Nvidia's stock prices and business overall directly supports the narrative that RTX CaRdZ ArE ToO ExPensiVe.

Seriously, that's the kid logic. "If RTX cards were cheaper then their stock price would be bettur"
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This isn’t what was said - at all. Please reread the posts.
 
Is an RTX 2060 even a genuinely large performance improvement over an overclocked GTX 980Ti, ignoring power consumption? 1660Ti? Am I correct that it will cost me $300~ just to match or barely exceed my existing Maxwell cards?

I'm not biting on anything because I'm willing to bet the lower end cards (2060-2070) will drop massively in value by next year. I don't give a damn what is provably too expensive. It's too expensive for me and I like to think about the return value on my card if I sell it in 2-3 years relative to what I pay.
 
Mode13 said:
Is an RTX 2060 even a genuinely large performance improvement over an overclocked GTX 980Ti, ignoring power consumption? 1660Ti? Am I correct that it will cost me $300~ just to match or barely exceed my existing Maxwell cards?

I'm not biting on anything because I'm willing to bet the lower end cards (2060-2070) will drop massively in value by next year. I don't give a damn what is provably too expensive. It's too expensive for me and I like to think about the return value on my card if I sell it in 2-3 years relative to what I pay.
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The 980Ti = 1070 = 1660Ti.

The standard 'nonsuper' 2060 = 1070ti level (which is about 5% away from a 1080), and is an upgrade from your 980Ti, but probably not enough to shell out 300-400$ for it.
 
Remember when AIB prices were lower than reference prices?
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So far all the turing's were listed by NV with 'recommended' prices lower than what actually ended up in the market. People had sticker shock when NV listed the 2080TI as $999 but yet most averaged $1100-$1500 depending brand and version. I paid around $1350 for mine. I've seen a couple of exceptions where the AIB's hit that $999 mark in the last 9 months but until they're out I'm not trusting the prices from Videocardz although I do hope they are true. The super 2060 for $399 would be a good buy for someone on a budget 1080p build. The Super 2080 for $799 should outperform the Strix 1080TI I got for $749 back at release.

edit: Just saw this at the CDW deal thread and we'll here you go.

"They're also gone as they no longer show in-stock. But there is this evga 2080Ti that's decent right now and $980 and will get better if it's around in a few weeks:
https://www.cdw.com/product/evga-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-xc-ultra-b/5616263?pfm=srh"

2nd edit: We'll if even if Videocardz super prices don't end up being accurate at release then maybe they will after 6-9 months too. LOL.
 
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mda said:
The 980Ti = 1070 = 1660Ti.

The standard 'nonsuper' 2060 = 1070ti level (which is about 5% away from a 1080), and is an upgrade from your 980Ti, but probably not enough to shell out 300-400$ for it.
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Hmm yeah sounds about right, my 980Ti at ~1440mhz matches my buddies Black edition EVGA 1070Ti (no OC), so that's what I was thinking -- maybe 15-20% more frames on an overclocked 2060. I'd like to see the kind of boost I got going from a 280x to a 980Ti again, which I think would be 1080Ti/2080 at this point. I don't know if the 5700XT will make me happy.

Might end up waiting another year I guess..
 
Mode13 said:
Hmm yeah sounds about right, my 980Ti at ~1440mhz matches my buddies Black edition EVGA 1070Ti (no OC), so that's what I was thinking -- maybe 15-20% more frames on an overclocked 2060. I'd like to see the kind of boost I got going from a 280x to a 980Ti again, which I think would be 1080Ti/2080 at this point. I don't know if the 5700XT will make me happy.

Might end up waiting another year I guess..
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I'd love to see a poll or story on how many people are still holding onto their 980Ti's. One of the best gens imho.
 
lostin3d said:
I'd love to see a poll or story on how many people are still holding onto their 980Ti's. One of the best gens imho.
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Not only are they still in use but lots of people are buying them now with EVGA bstock deals and how cheap they go used. For the e-sport type 1080P games it holds up just fine on a 144hz monitor, even PUBG runs nice and smooth and tops out around 160FPS at times. You just have to overclock it, most will happily do 1400mhz or slightly higher afaik.

Where it doesn't do well is on my 4k monitor, but neither does the Vega64 that I've been meaning to sell. That card was definitely not a worthwhile upgrade to the 980Ti given it's cost and how hot and noisy it is.

IdiotInCharge said:
Recommend waiting unless that 15%-20% is what you need to 'get there', wherever there is, especially if what you have is working for you right now.
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I want to move up to 1440P@144hz so I really don't think even 25% would cut it for me. Especially if I'm going to be paying $500+ for such a tiny jump. I think 1080Ti would be the bare minimum jump for me to care now that I'm thinking about it.
 
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