(Wired) EXCLUSIVE: WHAT TO EXPECT FROM SONY'S NEXT-GEN PLAYSTATION

I just watched the latest adoredtv video and he pointed out that the 3800x with 105 watt tdp will be worse performance per watt than the first Ryzen series. The 3900x has 50% more cores and higher boost clocks at the same tdp. His theory is they're using some of the worst binned chips for those skus and holding back the good stuff for epyc and threadripper (if it exists this gen). That theory is nothing groundbreaking, but I wonder if some really low power stuff is already being binned out for consoles. Maybe they can get an 8 core part with 2.5 GHz base and 3.5 GHz boost at 25 watts tdp or something.
 
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kamikazi said:
I just watched the latest adoredtv video and he pointed out that the 3800x with 105 watt tdp will be worse performance per watt than the first Ryzen series. The 3900x has 50% more cores and higher boost clocks at the same tdp. His theory is they're using some of the worst binned chips for those skus and holding back the good stuff for epyc and threadripper (if it exists this gen). That theory is nothing groundbreaking, but I wonder if some really l wonder if some really low power stuff is already being binned out for consoles. Maybe they can get an 8 core part with 2.5 GHz base and 3.5 GHz boost at 25 watts tdp or something.
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It's got an 8% higher base clock and 10.5% higher TDP... but it also has (supposedly, according to AMD) 15% higher IPC across the board. Shit, even if it only had 5% higher IPC, that'd be like an 1800x with a 4.095GHz base clock...except that's supposedly just the improvement over zen+. 13% more performance vs 10% higher TDP, worst case.

Are you sure he said that? I almost can't believe it.

Edit: Anyway, went and watched it. That's basically what he said, sort of glossed over the IPC and focused on the binning. Makes sense, imo, if they really are seeing 15% ipc improvement across the board.

As far as binning for PS5... I guess it depends on whether they use standard zen2 chiplets or modified them for the console. If they're the same, I have no doubt they're binning the low-power, low-clock chiplets for it. Probably not as high quality as their epyc chiplets, but it will have to be close.
 
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I wonder what the shape of this thing is going to look like maybe a triangle sphere or trapezoid. There is no chance I would buy the PS5 I could afford one but the amount of playtime I had with my PS4 for exclusives was pretty minimal I think I played Bloodborne the most of all exclusives. If Capcom released Deep Down on the PS5 that would be the only real reason I would pick one up.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
They're using AMD because they're not giving AMD a lot of money, and because they don't want to pay for better quality Intel and Nvidia parts.
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No, Nvidia has burned microsoft and sony both... the relationship there is probably done for good.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Eh, I don't believe that.
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https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Nvidia-loses-Xbox-Microsoft-turns-to-2574657.php

"Microsoft's decision to go with ATI, which is based in Toronto, is not a huge surprise considering the tenuous ties between Nvidia and the software company. The two were at odds with each other over the pricing of Nvidia's chips, avoiding a certain bitter court battle through an arbitration hearing earlier this year."

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story...ia-walked-away-from-ps4-hardware-negotiations


https://www.extremetech.com/computing/274795-tesla-dumps-nvidia-goes-it-alone-on-ai-hardware

Throw in tesla for good measure. Many companies hate dealing with nvidia so they head off to cheaper competitors(AMD). Nintendo only used tegra for the switch because nvidia had already made it, they just collect money from Japan at this point.
 
Verge said:
"is not a huge surprise"
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And this isn't proof that the relationship is irreconcilable. Yes, the relationship is tenuous (we've already mentioned that in this thread), but their choice to go with AMD makes much more sense in terms of cost and integration. The same can be said for Nintendo and Nvidia with the Tegra.

Point being, business, meaning revenue and profit, comes first.
 
Nobu said:
It's got an 8% higher base clock and 10.5% higher TDP... but it also has (supposedly, according to AMD) 15% higher IPC across the board. Shit, even if it only had 5% higher IPC, that'd be like an 1800x with a 4.095GHz base clock...except that's supposedly just the improvement over zen+. 13% more performance vs 10% higher TDP, worst case.

Are you sure he said that? I almost can't believe it.

Edit: Anyway, went and watched it. That's basically what he said, sort of glossed over the IPC and focused on the binning. Makes sense, imo, if they really are seeing 15% ipc improvement across the board.

As far as binning for PS5... I guess it depends on whether they use standard zen2 chiplets or modified them for the console. If they're the same, I have no doubt they're binning the low-power, low-clock chiplets for it. Probably not as high quality as their epyc chiplets, but it will have to be close.
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Yeah, when you take IPC into account, it's kind of silly to complain about the 3800X unless you compare it to the 3900X. The 3900X has the same TDP of the 3800X, which is only 10.5 percent higher than the 1800X, with 50% more cores. Compared to the 1800X, it has a base clock 200MHz higher and a boost clock 600 MHz higher with a 15% IPC improvement. That, to me is amazing progress in 2 years.
 
Comixbooks said:
I wonder what the shape of this thing is going to look like maybe a triangle sphere or trapezoid. There is no chance I would buy the PS5 I could afford one but the amount of playtime I had with my PS4 for exclusives was pretty minimal I think I played Bloodborne the most of all exclusives. If Capcom released Deep Down on the PS5 that would be the only real reason I would pick one up.
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It's not going to deviate significantly from the current rectangle box-top shape due to shipping and supply-side logistics. A triangle design would create all sorts of extra costs.

I'm in the same boat. I'll probably pick one up, but fully expect, like every other console for me since 2005, it will be used for 3-4 exclusives and otherwise used as a streaming box.
 
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