Nvidia Expands G-Sync Support to Approved Adaptive Sync Monitors

Derangel said:
So you act like a dick and expect me to help you afterwards?
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I didn't mean to act like a dick, sorry about that.

I meant reviews and most websites are a crap shoot, everybody loves it and some hate it, there's no real product scrutiny anymore. Everything is always great on all the sites.
 
risc said:
I didn't mean to act like a dick, sorry about that.

I meant reviews and most websites are a crap shoot, everybody loves it and some hate it, there's no real product scrutiny anymore. Everything is always great on all the sites.
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The best places I've found for monitor reviews are TFTCentral and Hardware Unboxed (or Techspot if you prefer written articles over videos, same content just a different format). For long term, more in-depth, use information from purchasers is usually your best bet. Places like here, LTT's forum, or other major hardware forums usually have a large base of knowledgeable people that can give you first hand information on how well a monitor works, any common defects, and so on. When it comes to hardware, there really is no such thing as a good single source for everything. It is always best to get a wide verity of information and go from there.
 
I also do agree with Derangel about reading forums, a professional review may not spot any issue that may occur months after using the monitors since they only get it short time.
 
chimpee and derangel, thanks guys for the very helpful info.
 
risc said:
There are so many monitor brands, lines, and specs out there.
Gsync seemed like a control gate for quality, in that manufacturers wouldn't put gsync on less than their best panels, and those would have higher quality control.
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No, that's the purest finest horseshit.

Early Gsync monitors were mostly made by AU Optronics. They were terrible..especially the IPS models.

What you have now is a larger selection of panel makers making screens in-quantity, which is much better than the early days!
 
defaultluser said:
No, that's the purest finest horseshit.

Early Gsync monitors were mostly made by AU Optronics. They were terrible.
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AUO has some really good stuff, but their cheaper panels are usually kind of meh to crap. Though they seem to have improved their quality across the board in the last couple years.
 
Derangel said:
AUO has some really good stuff, but their cheaper panels are usually kind of meh to crap. Though they seem to have improved their quality across the board in the last couple years.
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I'm just saying - mass production was GOOD for adaptive sync, even if it means you're now responsible for sifting through all the different choices.

Big fucking deal, they have higher-quality choices mixed in along with the crap. I'd rather do some research than go back to the old days be being stuck with the AUO IPS panel lottery.

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...-with-defective-AU-Optronics-panels-*WARNING*

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...sics/s2716dg-gsync-issues-dell-sent-me-here-/

"All Nvidia G-Sync monitors using the AUO (AU Optronics) panel have this intermittent "out of sync" problem. The result could show =
- glitch line on side of screen
- vertical pixelation
- Blurry line
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The problem was that AUO was asked to push the very limits of pane response times, while making the framerates variable,and this was obviously beyond their solo capability. They are a small panel maker, but really the only place interested in supplying early GSYNC.
 
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defaultluser said:
I'm just saying - mass production was GOOD for adaptive sync, even if it means you're now responsible for sifting through all the different choices.

Big fucking deal, they have higher-quality choices mixed in along with the crap. I'd rather do some research than go back to the old days be being stuck with the AUO IPS panel lottery.

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...-with-defective-AU-Optronics-panels-*WARNING*

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...sics/s2716dg-gsync-issues-dell-sent-me-here-/

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Yeah. I got really lucky with my PG248QE (aka the one that Nvidia, briefly, sold a G-Sync diy kit for) and haven't had any problems with it in the years I've had it, but I know that monitor could be hit hard by the panel lottery.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
And early FreeSync monitors were better, if we were to buy your claim?
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GSYNC was first. the early Freesync models were just copies of the GSYNC ones, and had the exact same problems.

But Adaptive sync's lower price meant mass-production, once companies worked out all the issues. And mass-production means NO MORE PANEL LOTTERY.

GSYNC was never going to be mass-produced. AUO would have improved, but never been as good as other panel makers. The higher price and NVIDIA GPU requirement would have kept sales low.

Now that big players like LG and Samsung are involved, it's a whole different ball game.
 
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defaultluser said:
GSYNC was fisrt. the early Freesync models were just copies of the GSYNC ones, and had the exact same problems.
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...aside from being halfassed VRR implementations, at best...

defaultluser said:
But Adaptive sync's lower price meant mass-production, once companies worked out all the issues. And mass-production means NO MORE PANEL LOTTERY.
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About that...

defaultluser said:
GSYNC was never going to be mass-produced.
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I don't think that that's a claim that you can back up.

defaultluser said:
AUO would have improved, but never been as good as other panel makers.
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I won't claim to have a circumspect opinion of AUO. I also won't claim everything they make as inferior, and I'll remind you that panels are not monitors and there's plenty of work to do to get the whole package working well. A good panel can be in a shitty monitor and a good monitor can get the best out of a shitty panel. And that all depends on your definition of 'shitty'.

defaultluser said:
The higher price and NVIDIA GPU requirement would have kept sales low.
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The price could have been- and still could be- brought down by mass production of an ASIC. The Nvidia GPU requirement is peanuts.

defaultluser said:
Now that big players like LG and Samsung are involved, it's a whole different ball game.
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I have a quite nice LG G-Sync monitor myself.
 
I am currently running the LG 32GK850F with a 1080Ti which is not on the "G-Sync Compatible" list but it works perfectly. Hardware Unboxed has some great videos testing different monitors.
 
DooLocsta said:
I am currently running the LG 32GK850F with a 1080Ti which is not on the "G-Sync Compatible" list but it works perfectly. Hardware Unboxed has some great videos testing different monitors.
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I'm wondering if they're not willing to publish monitors that fail their tests for whatever reason; perhaps they could put out a rating range, rather than a binary compatible or not. They're clearly doing the testing, and panels that don't meet their standard are clearly 'good enough' for a lot of people.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
I'm wondering if they're not willing to publish monitors that fail their tests for whatever reason; perhaps they could put out a rating range, rather than a binary compatible or not. They're clearly doing the testing, and panels that don't meet their standard are clearly 'good enough' for a lot of people.
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I'm wondering if they just don't want to break down how many fail simply because Freesync is not enabled by default. That seems to be the only reason both DooLocsta and my LG monitors are not listed as "Gsync Compatible". If LG released a firmware that enabled the feature by default I'd be willing to bet they'd be certified.
 
Derangel said:
I'm wondering if they just don't want to break down how many fail simply because Freesync is not enabled by default. That seems to be the only reason both DooLocsta and my LG monitors are not listed as "Gsync Compatible". If LG released a firmware that enabled the feature by default I'd be willing to bet they'd be certified.
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On Freesync displays, you have to manually enable the feature? Just asking because I haven't used one yet (only Gsync displays, which have no control/setting for it... it's controlled by the software and GPU only.)
 
IdiotInCharge said:
I won't claim to have a circumspect opinion of AUO. I also won't claim everything they make as inferior, and I'll remind you that panels are not monitors and there's plenty of work to do to get the whole package working well. A good panel can be in a shitty monitor and a good monitor can get the best out of a shitty panel. And that all depends on your definition of 'shitty'.
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You just write a treatise on how MORE CHOICE = GOOD. I agree, which makes me wonder why you wasted the time typing all that?


The price could have been- and still could be- brought down by mass production of an ASIC. The Nvidia GPU requirement is peanuts.
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The ASIC bull was just a "hey, look over here!!" to get idiots through the door, with the hope that the monitors would drop in cost.

Nvidia never had to worry about an ASIC for their largest market for GSYNC: [URL='https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=gsync+laptop']high-end gaming notebook screens[/url]. That's because the notebooks all use Adaptive Sync with local frame-buffer, and brand it "GSYNC." No custom ASIC required!

Nvidia has never needed an ASIC for GSYNC desktop monitors. The folks willing to pay the premium (you) are already paying it.

I have a quite nice LG G-Sync monitor myself.
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And you have that to thank thanks to adaptive sync. LG and Samsung have made BOTH adaptive and g/SYNC monitors, but the doorway would never have been opened without adaptive sync being pushed by AMD.
 
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Colonel Sanders said:
On Freesync displays, you have to manually enable the feature? Just asking because I haven't used one yet (only Gsync displays, which have no control/setting for it... it's controlled by the software and GPU only.)
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Depends on the monitor. All of the Gsync Compatible monitors have it enabled by default (one of the requirements to qualify) but for a lot of them you need to enable it in the monitor's OSD.
 
Derangel said:
I'm wondering if they just don't want to break down how many fail simply because Freesync is not enabled by default. That seems to be the only reason both DooLocsta and my LG monitors are not listed as "Gsync Compatible". If LG released a firmware that enabled the feature by default I'd be willing to bet they'd be certified.
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Yeah, I wonder about that one. It's not a bad excuse when looking at what G-Sync delivers, but at the same time, they can do better given the differences in approaches. G-Sync is a custom module with the express purpose of providing the very best available VRR, while FreeSync is being built into regular display ASICs for example.
 
defaultluser said:
The ASIC bull was just a "hey, look over here!!" to get idiots through the door, with the hope that the monitors would drop in cost.
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They still can.

defaultluser said:
Nvidia never had to worry about an ASIC for their largest market for GSYNC: high-end gaming notebook screens. That's because the notebooks all use Adaptive Sync with local frame-buffer, and brand it "GSYNC." No custom ASIC required!
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Evidence for your claim?

defaultluser said:
Nvidia has never needed an ASIC for GSYNC desktop monitors. The folks willing to pay the premium (you) are already paying it.
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This is entirely wrong. When they released G-Sync, there were no desktop monitors with adaptive sync- and there were no laptops with adaptive sync setup for gaming. AMD had to hack one in response.

defaultluser said:
And you have that to thank thanks to adaptive sync. LG and Samsung have made BOTH adaptive and g/SYNC monitors, but the doorway would never have been opened without adaptive sync being pushed by AMD.
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No?

Not at all?

Adaptive sync versions of my monitor were and are inferior to the G-Sync versions, and Nvidia opened the 'doorway'. AMD is still catching up with FreeSync.


Remember that adaptive sync wasn't created for VRR.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Evidence for your claim?
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...c-for-laptops-reveals-low-level-tech-details/

While the underlying tech differs, Nvidia claims that G-Sync will be able to drive laptop displays in exactly the same way as it does in desktops, except by using standardised eDP features rather than any proprietary hardware. The end result should be the same: smooth gameplay without the input lag and judder of v-sync, or the screen tearing that occurs when v-sync is turned off.
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Standard Embedded DisplayPort Adaptive Sync.


And proof that the notebook GSYNC screens are a much larger market than desktops? There are!

THIRTY DIFFERENT GSYNC MONITORS ON NEWEGG

NINETY DIFFERENT GSYNC NOTEBOOKS ON NEWEGG.

I think that's pretty conclusive where the money is!

Even Nvidia recognizes that a GSYNC custom ASIC is not the path forward, which is why they waited for Adaptive Sync to be added to DP 1.2a before they ever added the feature to notebooks.

And now it's the same path forward on desktops, with GSYNC Compatible. THERE WAS NEVER GOING TO BE AN ASIC! It was mostly born out of a stream of endlessly-hopeful hype on internet forums like this one.
 
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And... nope.

Adaptive sync in DisplayPort was not created to sync game frame outputs. It was created as a power saving feature for laptops. Nvidia saying that they can use it like G-Sync, which they could (obviously) since they built laptop parts that used eDP already, does not take away the complete absence of such monitors until well after they released G-Sync.

And a list of available models at one point in time from one retailer is not evidence of sales volume or revenue.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
And... nope.

Adaptive sync in DisplayPort was not created to sync game frame outputs. It was created as a power saving feature for laptops. Nvidia saying that they can use it like G-Sync, which they could (obviously) since they built laptop parts that used eDP already, does not take away the complete absence of such monitors until well after they released G-Sync.

And a list of available models at one point in time from one retailer is not evidence of sales volume or revenue.
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So basically, unless you get a call from Jensen himself telling you all the inside details of his company, you won't be moved on any of my discussion points?

Why the fuck are we having a discussion then , if there is nothing to discuss? OBVIOUSLY YOR RIGHT BRO CAUSE U SAID SO
 
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defaultluser said:
So basically, unless you get a call from Jensen himself telling you all the inside details of his company, you won't be moved on any of my discussion points?

Why the fuck are we having a discussion then , if there is nothing to discuss? OBVIOUSLY YOR RIGHT BRO CAUSE U SAID SO
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Well, actually, he is right.
 
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