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shadowj

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I'm thinking about to sale my GTX 1080 ti and buy the AMD Radeon 7
Main reason for this : color banding
Is there something better than AMD Radeon 7, coming this year?
Thank you, any advice are welcome
 
What do you mean "color banding?" If you're getting visual artifacts on the screen with the 1080 Ti, it's defective and you should RMA it. It would be unethical to sell it to someone else if it's broken like that, unless you disclose that.

I don't think there's likely to be anything that's clearly better than the R7 coming from AMD this year. There's obviously the nvidia 2080 and 2080 Ti which are better in most tangible ways, but they're also quite pricy.
 
Color banding, i mean, something like that
This is from Google Earth, made with the mobile phone
https://m.imgur.com/a/SRXAj24
It's annoying, i do play flight simulators
The clouds look like.... magenta, green...
Question : could it be possible that the GPU memory is damaged, and the card is still working??
 
In your photo, it just looks like an artifact of the compression that Google uses for their imagery. Can you post a screenshot from a game where you see this?

Also, what kind of display are you using?
 
I'm not at home right now
I have Samsung Q9FN 55 inches, and Samsung KS7500
Both have the same issue
I'm not sure but I think there something wrong with the GPU
It's a long story
I tried different hdmi cables, windows 10 x64 fresh install, etc
I never had color banding in Google Earth
You can't see really on the attached image
In real, it looks awful
 
RazorWind, i have some questions :
If the TV panel is the culprit, can I see the color banding on the screenshots??
For example, here : a screenshot from Google Earth
https://m.imgur.com/a/uYzE5QX
That's a software issue, right?
Nvidia software, some GPU troubles, etc?
It's hard to find out exactly where the issue is coming from
 
You're probably going to want to dig in deep into your HDMI settings.

It's possible that just swapping GPUs will help, simply due to the defaults on one GPU and respective drivers playing better with your displays than another, but unless there is a faulty part it shouldn't be an issue that can't be solved in software.

You might also try using the onboard video from your 9700K- it's perfectly capable of pushing 4k60 out to a few displays.
 
I repeat my question : would it be possible that the GPU memory ( or something else on the GPU) is damaged, and the card is still working?!
 
shadowj said:
I repeat my question : would it be possible that the GPU memory ( or something else on the GPU) is damaged, and the card is still working?!
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Absolutely. It's also possible that you have a setting flipped the wrong way. It's worth looking at the software thoroughly before tossing hardware about and adding expense.
 
Before all those color bandings, I remember I've had a BSoD
I ignored it. And since then, almost every time when I tried to open nVidia control panel, it crashed
Settings? Hmmm
I think I tried everything possible
RGB full, 32 bit, 4:4:4, 4:2:2, 4:2:0, etc
When I say " everything" i mean more than 2 months, every day 5-6 hours...
I didn't know, it's possible that a GPU has issues, and still can work
 
shadowj said:
I didn't know, it's possible that a GPU has issues, and still can work
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There are a near infinite number of failure modes for devices this complex...

If you had a BSOD that would be a clue- but you'd need to know the details. If the Nvidia control panel is crashing, it's likely that there's something wrong with the hardware and you need to look at getting it fixed or replaced by the manufacturer.
 
Under your HDMI color settings, check to see if it's "limited," and switch to full.

If you can't change this, it could be a bad HDMI cable.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
There are a near infinite number of failure modes for devices this complex...

If you had a BSOD that would be a clue- but you'd need to know the details. If the Nvidia control panel is crashing, it's likely that there's something wrong with the hardware and you need to look at getting it fixed or replaced by the manufacturer.
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I still have warranty, about 5 months for the GPU
And its not just color banding, there is pixelated clouds, as well
 
Have you tried the Display Port?

If you monitor doesn't have one, I would upgrade my monitor to see if that fixes the problem with a DP rather than an expensive GPU upgrade.
 
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Ok, i tried already a DP HDMI cable, I'm not sure about the specs, but I think it's DP 1.3 to HDMI... not sure.
Didn't work, but I could try to buy the cable from the link.
As I said, it's a TV, not a monitor
I use to have the Samsung KS7500 and after the issues started, i thought it's the TV, and after many hours of trying different settings, etc, I bought the Samsung Q9FN 55 inches, but same result
I'll keep the Q9FN, no matter what...
Question, again : i never did an upgrade / update the GPU firmware
Is there a risk to damage the graphic card?
Where exactly do I find the latest version for EVGA GTX 1080 Ti?
DP 1.3 cable to HDMI 2.0b could be my last hope
It's hard for me to go back to some 32 inches monitor
Especially for flight simulators
That's why I use some large display
By the way, guys, i was really thinking about the HP Omen 65 inch monitor, and I swear, if I would know that my issue is gone, i wouldn't hesitate to buy it
I know, the price sucks, but I'll do everything to fly again, with all the beautiful clouds I had before the color banding
In 20 years of PC, I've seen a lot of problems, different things, but I always found a solution
Now, after 2 months of problems, I'm still stuck
By the way, I even replaced the motherboard ASUS Maximus Hero xl, with Gigabyte Aorus Ultra
The reason for changing the motherboard was different, more USB ports, USB DAC Up 2,etc
 
you only have to worry about upgrading the firmware if you want to run with that DP->HDMI adapter with HDR on. if not, then you can run without any updates.

If you've already tried an adapter, that's that. Have you checked our computer's settings under Google Earth?
 
Pretty sure the 10 series has 10 bit outside of DX windows too as it was something I hated on 9 series and under.

shadowj said:
I still have warranty, about 5 months for the GPU
And its not just color banding, there is pixelated clouds, as well
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Deffo do a DDU/driver sweep and give that a shot first. IIRC 4k60 can't handle 10bit via HDMI2... not enough bandwidth. Tried a DP to DP 10bit monitor?
 
N4CR said:
Pretty sure the 10 series has 10 bit outside of DX windows too as it was something I hated on 9 series and under.


Deffo do a DDU/driver sweep and give that a shot first. IIRC 4k60 can't handle 10bit via HDMI2... not enough bandwidth. Tried a DP to DP 10bit monitor?
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I don't have a monitor
Please, read, before replying
 
Have you tried resetting the color settings on the TV?

Cleaning the drivers out with DDU and reinstalling?

Given that the control panel crashes, a failed graphics card is a possibility, but hardware failures are normally a lot more spectacular than this.
 
shadowj said:
Color banding, i mean, something like that
This is from Google Earth, made with the mobile phone
https://m.imgur.com/a/SRXAj24
It's annoying, i do play flight simulators
The clouds look like.... magenta, green...
Question : could it be possible that the GPU memory is damaged, and the card is still working??
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Its the way this image is. There is nothing wrong with your video card or TV.
 
RazorWind said:
Have you tried resetting the color settings on the TV?

Cleaning the drivers out with DDU and reinstalling?

Given that the control panel crashes, a failed graphics card is a possibility, but hardware failures are normally a lot more spectacular than this.
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I did.
what do you mean by your latest phrase?
hardware failure!
 
One thing that is being overlooked is the fact that you will have kick ass FreeSync support at 1080/1440p 120hz and 4k 60hz by switching to a Radeon VII...

You have spent so much time and money troubleshooting the issue, why not just RMA your 1080Ti, buy the VII abd enjoy your much improved gaming experience, and then sell the 1080TI when it comes back. You might even get a new 1080Ti or a 2080 instead.

Just a thought.
 
A lot of people have this same issue ,some notice it some do not. Some TV panel/monitor are good and some downright suck hard.Problem is worst on Nvidia cards and not to bad on AMD(I suggest borrow and AMD card from someone and test to see if it is acceptable with AMD).

Worst TVpanel/monitor I ever had with this problem was TN Panel Gsync 165 Hz and I ended up selling it and buying IPS 4K monitor which was excellent.

For games you can try Deband shader with reshade.
For videos just google the work around but methods will cause loss of detail.


You can also try what Guzz from Nvidia did with driver hacks to enable limited dithering with different modes. Try them all,use driver that was used for this and it may not work at all.
I tried it for one of my TN monitor panels and the results were not there.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...rver-to-geforce-driver-/post/5934577/#5934577
 
gerardfraser, all those guys who switched from nvidia to AMD, are stupid, right?
There are a lot of people who said, after changing their graphic cards, from nVidia to AMD, no more color banding
How comes?!
 
shadowj said:
gerardfraser, all those guys who switched from nvidia to AMD, are stupid, right?
There are a lot of people who said, after changing their graphic cards, from nVidia to AMD, no more color banding
How comes?!
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Colour banding has been around forever especially on lower bit panel and type of panel . So even changing cards may not make a difference because of lower quality panel and source material could just be bad ,like crappy panel and 6 bit source material or low quality material .

I still suggest borrow AMD card and see if it makes a difference.AMD is just better when it comes to this banding issue.

AMD has dithering enabled in drivers + other tweaks (of course I did not examine AMD drivers lately) and Nvidia does not could be as simple as that. Nvidia knows about this problem and they implement it in Linux drivers already and do not think it will help with lower quality panels in a Windows OS environment.

Also try the Registry tweaks by GUZZ in link I provided.
 
I'll try with the reg twaeks, thanks
I know, AMD has dithering enabled in drivers, thats why I'd like to get the Radeon VII
My panel (Samsung Q9FN is 8 bit + FRC )
Look, another example : Cliffs of Dover main menu
I've never see this before
Okay, I understand, color banding, 8 bit, etc etc
But that's just crap. It look like there is something wrong with the GPU / nVidia software / tv panel ...

https://postimg.cc/zbqP6t5N
 
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I legitimately don't see anything wrong in either of those pictures. The first one just looks normal to me, the second one just looks like a featureless blue rectangle. I've now looked at this thread on at least three different PCs, including an iMac with the 5K display and AMD (Polaris) graphics and the only thing I see that's amiss is ugly compression on Google's part.

That said, I wouldn't expect a jpeg-compressed photo of your monitor to really show an effect that's likely pretty subtle in person. So, assuming your graphics card isn't actually broken, which I suspect it isn't, I would think the next step is to replace the display or the graphics card. I'd never heard of this color banding issue prior to this thread, but if it's really a thing, and AMD cards don't have it, by all means sell the nvidia card to someone who is not bothered by this and get an AMD one. As someone else suggested, though, I might see if I could borrow one first to see if it really will fix your problem. Especially if you have to sell the old one first, that would be a lot of trouble to go to, only to find that it didn't actually solve your problem.
 
RazorWind, can you please do me a favor?
Just download the latest image, from the postimg link
Download it and zoom in
And if you can't see the issue I'm talking about, I'll just throw my PC through the window :)
I downloaded this image, on 2 different PCs and 1 Laptop + 1 tablet 10,5 inches
On all 4, it's visible...
 
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