They recalled the 1.13GHz PIII, not the 1.0GHz
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Isn't this the architecture that Intel was supposed to have released three or four years ago?
I stand corrected
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They recalled the 1.13GHz PIII, not the 1.0GHz
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Isn't this the architecture that Intel was supposed to have released three or four years ago?
Your emphasis is not misplaced, if they said that it means these processors don't have any mitigation patches enabled. They're probably being bench-marked against older Intel parts that do have mitigation's enabled. This is a bullshit PR stunt to attempt to take thunder out of AMD's announcement because Intel has shit and they know it. A PR stunt so that Intel does not lose massive market share prior to releasing competitive products. I think they're screwed in the short term. If in 2021, AMD isn't releasing a grand slam architectural advantage.... Intel will recoup all their market share losses in about six months. Assuming they release something that is good.Ha... HAHAHAHA.. Wheeeze...
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COME ON INTEL. 'Performance results are based on testing as of dates shown in configuration and MAY not reflect all publicly available security updates.'
Emphasis on may is mine.
Yea.. they MIGHT not be there... assholes... they should have released the CVE's that WERE applied to all systems.
But mobile is bigger than desktop. Surely if they make enough for mobile, then desktop would not be a problem. Especially given that AMD is taking away marketshare in desktop more than in mobile.
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I think the retooling of fabs from 10nm back to 14nm (ie. the intentional reduction of production capacity) means that Intel expected not much demand for 10nm. And certainly Intel could have made an 8-core Ice Lake if they wanted to, but the lower clocks are unsuitable for desktop.
That's a bit of an overstatement. AMD CPU's have some exposure here, but it is MUCH less.
If mobile version of Zen2 on 7nm are attractive enough to get the right contracts things could look very different very quickly.
Indeed... a 3% total hit with full mitigation vs 16-18%
Their mobile APUs need to make a pretty big leap. So many more factors come into play for laptops, especially the nicer ones and the business ones, that as close as AMD has come on the desktop they're still a world away on mobile.
I am hoping AMD will start winning some at least mid range laptop contracts with Zen2. It people start seeing good quality laptops much cheaper then Intels high end that compete in all aspects that are important in mobile. I do think AMD could pick up some market share in consumer mobile pretty quick.
We'll see... to be honest I still really like Intel for mobile. Intels Linux support is great... and in general a well made Intel laptop makes a great mobile workstation.
And this is also highly dependent on workload. Ultrabook customers are far less likely to be running over-provisioned mission critical VMs .
[I run VMs on both my Windows and Linux installs all the time, but I'm weird...]
Your emphasis is not misplaced, if they said that it means these processors don't have any mitigation patches enabled. They're probably being bench-marked against older Intel parts that do have mitigation's enabled. This is a bullshit PR stunt to attempt to take thunder out of AMD's announcement because Intel has shit and they know it. A PR stunt so that Intel does not lose massive market share prior to releasing competitive products. I think they're screwed in the short term. If in 2021, AMD isn't releasing a grand slam architectural advantage.... Intel will recoup all their market share losses in about six months. Assuming they release something that is good.
Sunny Cove was designed to compete with Skylake- and since AMD still hasn't caught up to Skylake, we really should be thanking Intel for getting their 10nm foundry sorted.
Ha... HAHAHAHA.. Wheeeze...
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COME ON INTEL. 'Performance results are based on testing as of dates shown in configuration and MAY not reflect all publicly available security updates.'
Emphasis on may is mine.
Yea.. they MIGHT not be there... assholes... they should have released the CVE's that WERE applied to all systems.
I have little doubt most laptop users these days multi task as much as anyone on a desktop.
Sunny Cove will have many fixes in silicon, and thus not require microcode updates and O.S./application patches to address. You assume grand conspiracy, yet the simple fact is that Intel has had time to develop hardware fixes for many of the security vulnerabilities discovered in the last 18 months or so.
I like the disclaimer only intel optimised tests and platforms like that is "real" world
and AMD get prodded for using cinebench which Intel also used but everything Intel does is totally legit.
Sunny Cove will have many fixes in silicon, and thus not require microcode updates and O.S./application patches to address. You assume grand conspiracy, yet the simple fact is that Intel has had time to develop hardware fixes for many of the security vulnerabilities discovered in the last 18 months or so.
They have had 3 generations of CPU's to get those fixes in to suddenly expect them now is just delisional.
I take it you have read a list of CVE's addressed in CPU design? where are they? Where is this fantastical list you claim. They have had 3 generations of CPU's to get those fixes in to suddenly expect them now is just delisional. Until they say "Here is our list security professionals go and verify!" I don't believe they have fixed anything.
I take it you have read a list of CVE's addressed in CPU design? where are they? Where is this fantastical list you claim. They have had 3 generations of CPU's to get those fixes in to suddenly expect them now is just delisional. Until they say "Here is our list security professionals go and verify!" I don't believe they have fixed anything
To be fair I'm more than a little bitter over this I own TWO server generations of 18 core CPU's from intel that currently have 1/2 of their logical CPU's turned OFF because of these SHITTY CPU's.
I'm really wanting an EPYC based host node to test with.
Well, it is. Marketshare and install base are a thing.
...when that's all that got released? Yes, yes they were 'prodded'.
Marketshare is changing we don't have to pretend that isn't the case. The impact is felt in Intel's bottom line.
At this point Intel marketing is more cringy
Yes, yes we do- but we also have more than one core .
Reading those I wasn't able to correlate which of those fixes was with the hyperthreading speculative execution vulnerability.
Rouge Data cache load one is:
CVE-2017-5754 (Meltdown, Variant 3, Rogue Data Cache Load) is a microprocessor vulnerability that allows an attacker to overcome all memory isolation mechanisms offered by the microprocessor by causing it to speculatively execute code out-of-order that loads inaccessible information which end up changing the cache state of the microarchitecture, thereby leaking information through side-channel timing analysis.
So that being fixed will be a big one for people like me that are thinking from a Datacenter standpoint.
What gets to consumers will always be at the whim of intel's artificial segmentation.
Either way my money is on a new incompatible chipset coming soon. ChaChing
18% eh.. So in terms of real-world impact the ST performance of my 6700 will be functionally outdated in... oh 5 more years.
Wait till AMD feels like they can command their own prices, if they ever get there again...
Sunny Cove will only come soldered in a laptop, so you're buying the motherboard regardless.
Way to gloss over what I said and focus on an irrelevant implication.
For the desktop more often than not, with new intel chips comes new motherboards.
I may be wrong but this segmentation is over 2 lanes and one letter. Is this graphic even necessary?
Edit: Oh they dropped ddr4 3200 support. For shame.
WikiChip said:Ice Lake is launching in two variants – 15 W Ice Lake U which will make use of the Type3 package and the 9 W Ice Lake Y processors which will use the Type4 package.
Might read the topic.
With AMD, you'll want a new motherboard and you have to research whether what you have will work, and how well. With Intel, it works.
The graphic is one in a series between the two different 'levels' of Sunny Cove.
Perhaps you enjoy drinking Intel's Cool-aid and failed to read the actual, written, disclaimer that Intel themselves posted :Sunny Cove will have many fixes in silicon, and thus not require microcode updates and O.S./application patches to address. You assume grand conspiracy, yet the simple fact is that Intel has had time to develop hardware fixes for many of the security vulnerabilities discovered in the last 18 months or so.
nothing short of a completely redesigned processor core with nothing tied to the old architecture will fix the issues their processors have.
My post was on topic.
Especially with regards to the implications of the IPC.
Haha. Research is free.
It's fucking stupid. Defend it to your own peril.
The topic is about Sunny Cove.
Well, the implications of IPC to 15w class mobile CPUs are very different than desktop CPUs. Totally different world.
It's one in a series that shows the difference between the two parts, which are physically two different parts. Infer stupidity or otherwise as you wish, it's obviously not for you.
That is what Ice Lake (which Sunny Cove uses) is.
I'm hoping some website will do a generation to generation IPC comparison with:
1) Old generation (maybe a couple) IPC performance without any spectre/meltdown fixes
2) Old generation (same couple) IPC performance WITH all available spectre/meltdown/l1tf/mds/etc/etc mitigations fullly in place and enabled. This along with 1) will be interesting to see how much of a hit was taken due to cumulative mitigations.. I know for newer Archs it is a smaller hit, but older Archs' like Gen 5 Broadwell and Gen 6 took bigger hits.
-and finally-
3) Sunny Cove IPC performance WITH all available spectre/meltdown/l1tf/mds/etc/etc mitigations fullly in place and enabled.
So that we can see what all smoke n mirrors were used in the PR junk, but also to just truly see what the improvements are, and how well the in-silicon mitigations improve performance.
I'm hoping some website will do a generation to generation IPC comparison with:
1) Old generation (maybe a couple) IPC performance without any spectre/meltdown fixes
2) Old generation (same couple) IPC performance WITH all available spectre/meltdown/l1tf/mds/etc/etc mitigations fullly in place and enabled. This along with 1) will be interesting to see how much of a hit was taken due to cumulative mitigations.. I know for newer Archs it is a smaller hit, but older Archs' like Gen 5 Broadwell and Gen 6 took bigger hits.
-and finally-
3) Sunny Cove IPC performance WITH all available spectre/meltdown/l1tf/mds/etc/etc mitigations fullly in place and enabled.
So that we can see what all smoke n mirrors were used in the PR junk, but also to just truly see what the improvements are, and how well the in-silicon mitigations improve performance.
I will consider this, although I don't necessarily have examples of every architecture. I have Nahelem, Gulftown, Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Sandy Bridge-E, Devil's Canyon (I think) Skylake, Skylake-X (with no motherboard as its that shitty 7740X), Haswell, Haswell-E, Kaby Lake, and I think a Coffee Lake CPU. I'm missing Broadwell because I fried it.
It would be a ton of work though.
Remember when Intel was having problems with the PIII competing with the Athlon, and they pushed the PIII to 1Ghz, and ended up having to recall the CPU because it would introduce errors at that speed?
I will consider this, although I don't necessarily have examples of every architecture. I have Nahelem, Gulftown, Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Sandy Bridge-E, Devil's Canyon (I think) Skylake, Skylake-X (with no motherboard as its that shitty 7740X), Haswell, Haswell-E, Kaby Lake, and I think a Coffee Lake CPU. I'm missing Broadwell because I fried it.
It would be a ton of work though.