Who is looking to upgrade to Zen2

ccityinstaller said:
That 16c/32t is coming ....AMD demo'd it behind the scenes according to "Brian from Yes Tech City" via WTF tech... Out performs the Intel flagship 18 core.

Those of you on x79 claiming this is a disappointment and will stay on an an outdated platform that is 20-35% slower clock for clock (depending on the application) amuse me. If it were an Intel announcement of a 12c/24t mainstream SKU announcement you would be willing to pay then $800+, let alone $499.
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I was on E3-1270 until 7820x when Newegg was pumping them out for $325.

My placeholder R3 1200 will be replace sometime over the coming months with whatever is around $100.
 
I'll wait for an affordable (read under $400) fanless x570 motherboard. I prefer silent builds and crappy built in fans with high rpms that I can't control is a big no-no.
 
ccityinstaller said:
That 16c/32t is coming ....AMD demo'd it behind the scenes according to "Brian from Yes Tech City" via WTF tech... Out performs the Intel flagship 18 core.

Those of you on x79 claiming this is a disappointment and will stay on an an outdated platform that is 20-35% slower clock for clock (depending on the application) amuse me. If it were an Intel announcement of a 12c/24t mainstream SKU announcement you would be willing to pay then $800+, let alone $499.
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Agree. People have no problem spending money on intel CPUs but when it comes to AMD, they always find some stupid excuse.
 
Is AM5 + DDR5 REALLY going to drop in 2020? I'm tired of my z97/4790k build and want to upgrade, but I don't want to get caught on a dead end platform again like I did here. I bought this and literally like 2 weeks later DDR4 and the haswell E dropped, instantly leaving me in the past. Before the 4790k I ran an AM2+ board that went through multiple CPU upgrades before its life ended.

If I knew for sure that Zen2+ next year would be compatible with X570, I'll buy a 3800x day one and get a 12 or 16 core next year. I'd like for my next build to also be decent for 5 years (minus GPU upgrades)
 
Pieter3dnow said:
The 12 core is the same TDP as the current R7 2700X , the only cpu that needs a new motherboard is 16c32t.
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I hope your right but I wont hold my breath until the MOBD manufacturers confirm the 12core parts on there x370 units.... it would make for a nice side grade if it is supported
 
Mode13 said:
Is AM5 + DDR5 REALLY going to drop in 2020? I'm tired of my z97/4790k build and want to upgrade, but I don't want to get caught on a dead end platform again like I did here. I bought this and literally like 2 weeks later DDR4 and the haswell E dropped, instantly leaving me in the past. Before the 4790k I ran an AM2+ board that went through multiple CPU upgrades before its life ended.

If I knew for sure that Zen2+ next year would be compatible with X570, I'll buy a 3800x day one and get a 12 or 16 core next year. I'd like for my next build to also be decent for 5 years (minus GPU upgrades)
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You can upgrade to a Zen 2 12 cores. It will be much faster. All cores at work it will be around 3.5 to 4 times faster, and this is if the 4790k remains unpatched against its numerous security holes. I am not even sure Zen 3 7nm+ will be next year on DDR5. I suppose it will still be on AM4 DDR4. AMD said they don't hope much more speed from future Zen cores in next architecture Zen4, Zen 5 and 5nm, 3nm...
There will be some optimisations but certainly more cores. If you wan Zen 2 12 cores for cheap, you can get a B450 motherboard (but you have to ask for upgraded Bios). If you want Zen 2 on 8 cores, you will get around 3 times the speed for 100$ less.
 
Jandor said:
Not sure there is value in the 12 cores on Am4. May need good X570 motherboeard + expensive CPU + good RAM.
Threadripper 1950x 16 cores + lower cost X399 + standard RAM but quad channel will be better. Not saying it will be better in gaming but on something using all the 12 cores or more, it will.
The unique 12 cores Ryzen 3000 is way too expensive for its value. I suppose AMD is hoping no to sale many.
I bet AMd is turned on bringing all the best chiplets to their Epyc solution. The remainder for Desktop.
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yup the 3700x seems to be the best bang for the buck. The 3800x only offers .100 mhz more boost clock for $70 more ? Plus you have a much higher TDP. 8c/16thread 65w tdp pretty amazing !
 
mjz_5 said:
Agree. People have no problem spending money on intel CPUs but when it comes to AMD, they always find some stupid excuse.
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I'm = opportunity.
I bought Athlon back when you could use a pencil to OC vs my buddies with Celeron A.

Right now Ryzen is less $ if I need cores and nvme direct to CPU.
If I wanted just 1 box and gaming was secondary then Ryzen wins.
If gaming right now was my only concern I would have kept my 7700k.
Video content it's a toss up btw a Mac or Intel build, depends on whether you have a team or you are solo and whatever they use.

Dev is where I have an issue with white box builds.
We are issued gear.
I've been constantly architecting away from monoliths requiring big vms and vApps to move to containers or lift and shift to AWS.
Build pipeline hasn't been reliant on my local box since 2013.
I can use any 2-core with 4gb of ram + Chrome + internet connection and get it done.

I learned the hard way that you need to spend $ on x299 if nvme saturation of pch is a real thing. Playing around at home editing and uploading game clips I'm better suited to a b450 Ryzen build.

My 1080ti is doing most of the work, 960 Pro does the rest of what I need to think about.
 
I think what I may do is update my gaming rig (4790k) into a 3700-3800x and my programming/work rig (fx 8320 @ 4.4ghz....) possibly get a second hand 1950x, or maybe even 2950x if they come down in price by early next year. Was just wondering if the option would be there for x570 boards to take a zen2+ CPU next year.

I generally don't install linux and my mess of compilers and libraries onto the gaming rig anyway, so I think that route is optimal for me.
 
Honestly I plan to, but maybe next year. By the time I would get the CPU over here and tear down/rebuild my loop, I would only have a month left till I PCS. So when TMO drops all my stuff off at my next duty location I will build one up. Maybe reuse the 2700x in a kvm/Qemu passthrough setup with 1070s and build the kids their own computer.

However, if these chips work with the ASRock X470D4U... Well I might be replacing my dual Xeons with a 12 core this year.
 
ManofGod said:
Not me, although mostly because I do not want to spend more money. :)
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sure you do, it's faster than whatever you have even though you don't actually use the speed, you need it. you need it now and you need a 2080 Ti to go with it, and if you already have a 2080Ti you need a second 2080ti. Do it now. Do it or I'll not like you!

:::devil in your ear:::
 
I have a 7700k OC to 4.8 Ghz . and the 3700X sounds like it could be a winner. Need to wait for benchmarks of course.
I have 32 gb of 3200 MHz ram that I would like to reuse but I’ve heard that might not be the case because of how picky Ryzen is on memory. Hopefully this is now resolved.
 
Jandor said:
You can upgrade to a Zen 2 12 cores. It will be much faster. All cores at work it will be around 3.5 to 4 times faster, and this is if the 4790k remains unpatched against its numerous security holes. I am not even sure Zen 3 7nm+ will be next year on DDR5. I suppose it will still be on AM4 DDR4. AMD said they don't hope much more speed from future Zen cores in next architecture Zen4, Zen 5 and 5nm, 3nm...
There will be some optimisations but certainly more cores. If you wan Zen 2 12 cores for cheap, you can get a B450 motherboard (but you have to ask for upgraded Bios). If you want Zen 2 on 8 cores, you will get around 3 times the speed for 100$ less.
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I know Linux has mitigations, even if they aren't bios patched. I'd assume Windows does as well.
 
Thatguybil said:
I have a 7700k OC to 4.8 Ghz . and the 3700X sounds like it could be a winner. Need to wait for benchmarks of course.
I have 32 gb of 3200 MHz ram that I would like to reuse but I’ve heard that might not be the case because of how picky Ryzen is on memory. Hopefully this is now resolved.
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Ryzen+ doesn't really have the RAM issues OG Ryzen did as far as I know.
 
I'm liking the possibility of a 5GHz all core clock. Will be upgrading for certain. If anything, for lower temps
 
alxlwson said:
I'm liking the possibility of a 5GHz all core clock. Will be upgrading for certain. If anything, for lower temps
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[speculation]
I don't know if this is going to be possible. 2700x boost clock is 4.3ghz and getting anywhere above 4.3ghz all core on it is difficult. I would expect to be seeing 4.6-4.7ghz all core on the 3800x for a decent 24/7 OC unless you really push it.. I suspect a 9900k all core OC @ 5ghz is going to stay ahead of the 3800x, zen2+ is probably where you'll be able to hit those high clocks.
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Just guessing based on how previous iterations of zen have gone.

edit: don't forget ~15% IPC gains, 3800x @ 4.6ghz would be the equivalent of a 2700x at ~5.3ghz off the top of my head...
 
mjz_5 said:
Agree. People have no problem spending money on intel CPUs but when it comes to AMD, they always find some stupid excuse.
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Not when they've been clearly ahead at common workloads in the past. As far as they've come since their last disastrous uarch, they're still not there yet. If independent benchmarks showed Zen2 at +5% of Skylake through some combination of increased clockspeeds and IPC, cool- until Intel gets their long-delayed Skylake replacement out.

But that's not even what AMD is marketing.
 
mjz_5 said:
Agree. People have no problem spending money on intel CPUs but when it comes to AMD, they always find some stupid excuse.
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Those on dated x79 platforms haven't upgraded or spent money on Intel CPUs in a long time either.

I think the issue is people wanting no compromises between single core performance and multicore, when x79 was released with the 3930k it was simple, the 6 core 4.6-4.8ghz all core OC (or even a 5ghz 3930k for benching) was faster than everything else at both workloads. With previous Threadripper chips the extra cores are awesome for some things but were slower for single core performance. I think having to make that decision between a pc optimised for single core tasks or multicore tasks just leads to people putting off upgrading until something comes around with 50% more cores that is 50% faster at single core performance.

That 12 core chip is going to sell very well. If I didn't know a 16 core TR4 version was coming soon after i'd probably go for that 12 core one.
 
mikeo said:
If I didn't know a 16 core TR4 version was coming soon after i'd probably go for that 12 core one.
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I am expecting Threadripper 3 to jump up to higher core counts:

24C/48T
32C/64T
48C/96T
64C/128T

Yes, same core counts as Epyc, but less PCIe lanes & quad-channel memory versus the octo-channel memory of Epyc...

But if you have info regarding Threadripper 3, I am sure we would all love it if you shared...?
 
Boil said:
I am expecting Threadripper 3 to jump up to higher core counts:

24C/48T
32C/64T
48C/96T
64C/128T

Yes, same core counts as Epyc, but less PCIe lanes & quad-channel memory versus the octo-channel memory of Epyc...

But if you have info regarding Threadripper 3, I am sure we would all love it if you shared...?
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Just speculation at this point, if Lisa Su said the platform isn't dead, its got to be at least 16 cores, and probably coming out sometime later this year or early 2020.
 
Mode13 said:
[speculation]
I don't know if this is going to be possible. 2700x boost clock is 4.3ghz and getting anywhere above 4.3ghz all core on it is difficult. I would expect to be seeing 4.6-4.7ghz all core on the 3800x for a decent 24/7 OC unless you really push it.. I suspect a 9900k all core OC @ 5ghz is going to stay ahead of the 3800x, zen2+ is probably where you'll be able to hit those high clocks.
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Just guessing based on how previous iterations of zen have gone.

edit: don't forget ~15% IPC gains, 3800x @ 4.6ghz would be the equivalent of a 2700x at ~5.3ghz off the top of my head...
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/Shrug I get 4.4 all core on my 2600X with just XFR2
 
needmorecarnitine said:
I'm on a 3570K right now and my last AMD was an Athlon. Will wait about 3 to 6 months (or so) after launch then its Zen 2

probably the 3700X
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$100 1700x and $60-80 B450 might be ok to wait things out.

Intel will counterpunch, and AMD has demonstrated a willingness to price cut as a response.
 
alxlwson said:
/Shrug I get 4.4 all core on my 2600X with just XFR2
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And how high can you get it manually for a stress test passing 24/7 OC?

It's difficult to get the 2700x over 4.3ghz all core.. some people win the silicon lottery, others don't, most get to 4.3ghz...

Maybe the 2600x gets a bit more headroom since it's only 6 core.

Hope I'm proven wrong, but I'll be surprised to see 5ghz 3800x as a common all core OC.
 
Mode13 said:
And how high can you get it manually for a stress test passing 24/7 OC?

It's difficult to get the 2700x over 4.3ghz all core.. some people win the silicon lottery, others don't, most get to 4.3ghz...

Maybe the 2600x gets a bit more headroom since it's only 6 core.

Hope I'm proven wrong, but I'll be surprised to see 5ghz 3800x as a common all core OC.
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I'm kinda wondering if they will have a 8c/16t version that has higher clocks. I have to think 4 less cores on the new process would have some decent headroom, assuming they allow the TDP.
 
bpizzle1 said:
I'm kinda wondering if they will have a 8c/16t version that has higher clocks. I have to think 4 less cores on the new process would have some decent headroom, assuming they allow the TDP.
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Well, they... don't. Each 'chiplet' has eight cores. Perhaps if they were to do a dual-chiplet SKU that has alternating cores enabled, that could spread out the power and heat load, but who knows.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Well, they... don't. Each 'chiplet' has eight cores. Perhaps if they were to do a dual-chiplet SKU that has alternating cores enabled, that could spread out the power and heat load, but who knows.
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Lots of people seem to be concerned about latency in the chiplet design, so we'd have to be prepared for that conversation. I see no reason why two chiplets couldn't be knocked down to 4 cores each for yet another 8 core model, would only increase yields. Easier to cool I suppose..

Anyway if this latency I bring up does exist, it's going to be in the 12 and 16 core model either way.
 
Boil said:
I am expecting Threadripper 3 to jump up to higher core counts:

24C/48T
32C/64T
48C/96T
64C/128T

Yes, same core counts as Epyc, but less PCIe lanes & quad-channel memory versus the octo-channel memory of Epyc...

But if you have info regarding Threadripper 3, I am sure we would all love it if you shared...?
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If we do get this for threadripper 3000 i really hope they have backwards compatibility atleast to the 32-48core, it would help out those who bought in to the platform when 16cores was the max, with that said I would not be supirsed if there was memory bandwidth limatations on the older MOBD's with the TR3, we will have to see what happens with that still going from a 16 to a 24c48t CPU on your first gen threadripper board would make many people happy
 
Mode13 said:
Lots of people seem to be concerned about latency in the chiplet design, so we'd have to be prepared for that conversation. I see no reason why two chiplets couldn't be knocked down to 4 cores each for yet another 8 core model, would only increase yields. Easier to cool I suppose..

Anyway if this latency I bring up does exist, it's going to be in the 12 and 16 core model either way.
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Hopefully Infinity fabric 2, better IMC and Faster Memory the latency issues will be much more reduced hopefully, will be looking forward to the benchmarks
 
Totally happy with the 2600 I run now.The 3900x seems to be the only upgrade that feels 'worth it' from where I'm sitting. That or the 3700x at 65w. Seems abit incremental though. Can't wait for the reviews to make a final decision.
 
I will be getting the 3900x for $499 if my x370 Gigabyte board is supported. I am on 1800x currently. A 1.3x higher single thread performance and 2x higher multi-threaded perf is a huge upgrade.

It's not like I have to upgrade motherboard and RAM. So the price proposition is quite good imo.
 
not sure the benefits for me as plain gamer @ 1440p is but really want to see some proper testing first. just seeing the cinebench does give some general idea of what kind of power this thing got. it's tempting for sure, could see the 12c part lasting 5 years easy. so wouldnt be a bad investment.
 
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Mode13 said:
And how high can you get it manually for a stress test passing 24/7 OC?

It's difficult to get the 2700x over 4.3ghz all core.. some people win the silicon lottery, others don't, most get to 4.3ghz...

Maybe the 2600x gets a bit more headroom since it's only 6 core.

Hope I'm proven wrong, but I'll be surprised to see 5ghz 3800x as a common all core OC.
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That 4.4 is a full stress all core clock using XBT
 
Mode13 said:
Lots of people seem to be concerned about latency in the chiplet design, so we'd have to be prepared for that conversation. I see no reason why two chiplets couldn't be knocked down to 4 cores each for yet another 8 core model, would only increase yields. Easier to cool I suppose..

Anyway if this latency I bring up does exist, it's going to be in the 12 and 16 core model either way.
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I'm one of those 'concerned'; I realize that AMD would have taken steps to mitigate any issues, but so far the numbers they have shown have come from applications that wouldn't highlight potential deltas due to separating the memory controller from the cores.

Se we'll see!
 
I'm going to replace my CH VI/[email protected] system with a 3900X. If they release Navi soon I'll also be replacing my Titan X at the same time to get off the nVidia platform.
 
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