Windows 10 1903 Unleashed to Public

odditory said:
The flaw in that argument is PCs haven't become exponentially more complicated since the Windows 7 era - there were "literally millions of different configs" in the Windows 7 era too. A 9900k + Z390 + 2080Ti + NVMe drive runs just fine on Windows 7 with some tweaking to get around MS's artificial blocks.

And yet with Win7, real software engineers and a real QA division somehow managed to not crap all over their customers by properly testing everything, with service packs and delta-updating instead of full-reinstalls masquerading as a "feature update" deleting user data and upending the entire fucking OS.

MS just needs to take ownership of it, there's really no excusing it. Going forward, only consistency over time can rebuild user trust.
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didn't they "take ownership" by issuing a "known issues" post? there were still issues with 7, people just seem to forget...
 
pendragon1 said:
when there is literally millions of different configs there is bound to be a glitch or two on some systems. MS cant test every possible config, yet people always freak the fuck out if there is a glitch.
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the problem is they aren't testing any.
 
Master_shake_ said:
the problem is they aren't testing any.
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sorta true. there are still people testing just not as many and they rely on the insiders. but I honestly have not encountered any more issues than with 7, personally or professionally. just seems its always the same group of people, not just here, yelling about anything MS.
 
Comixbooks said:
I just did a Clean Install I'm crazy I know but have everything backed up on other drives. I think I might have disabled updates and I know for a fact with this new Win 10 1903 that you need the newest Nvidia drives ect… Not sure if that was the problem. The only thing that is bugging me I have two OS partions on startup so I might have to install again.

Yup installed Geforce Experience was the only way I could get this 1903 version of Win 10 to work with this OS if you try the stand alone driver it won't pick up.
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Two OS partitions or just two OS boot entries? (I am asking just because......)
 
ManofGod said:
Two OS partitions or just two OS boot entries? (I am asking just because......)
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Two Boot entries both were Windows 10 but I deleted one going though MSconfig.going though the boot tab and deleting one. Needed a video for that one :D Last thing I wanted was a blue screen to pop up and have that stall the boot process because there is a timer on it allowing you to select which one you want Windows 10 or Windows 10.
 
well it's a good sign that MS hasn't pulled the update...so I'll download the iso and do a fresh install this week...doesn't seem like a major feature update anyhow...they really should move to a once a year schedule though
 
polonyc2 said:
well it's a good sign that MS hasn't pulled the update...so I'll download the iso and do a fresh install this week...doesn't seem like a major feature update anyhow...they really should move to a once a year schedule though
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They mostly are; the Spring / early Summer release is the 'big fix', and features come in the Fall.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
They mostly are; the Spring / early Summer release is the 'big fix', and features come in the Fall.
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what is the big fix?...aren't we already getting monthly Windows Update fixes?...the May Update seems to have an important Feature update- Sandbox capabilities
 
polonyc2 said:
what is the big fix?...aren't we already getting monthly Windows Update fixes?...the May Update seems to have an important Feature update- Sandbox capabilities
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But Sandbox is basically it. The 'fixes' are improvements to a lot of little things, usually. Not so much bugs and security updates, and not a lot of new 'stuff'.
 
pendragon1 said:
when there is literally millions of different configs there is bound to be a glitch or two on some systems. MS cant test every possible config, yet people always freak the fuck out if there is a glitch.
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I have had it good with regards to experiences with Windows Update in Windows 10 TBH. The only issues I have had since launch was the IPv6 bug that required it to be enabled to browse the web in the last major update last Fall & the one I have mentioned in this thread in 1903 with the excessive RAM usage by the Push Notification Service. Thankfully I have been able to roll back this time to 1809 and all seems well again (other than the Adobe issue still being there but that is another thread).
 
Seems fine so far on my custom system. Little UI tweaks are all I really noticed post update.
 
Question: "Do i really need to check-out that Atomic Heart Pascal RayTracing Demo?". Answer: Nope.
 
Yeah I wouldn't recommend installing this even if you know what your doing having my Nvidia driver crash unable to color gamma ect.....so Windows is washed out no matter what I do. As far as I know they took out the brightness calibrator you know that jerk with the washed out white dress shirt.
 
Comixbooks said:
Yeah I wouldn't recommend installing this even if you know what your doing having my Nvidia driver crash unable to color gamma ect.....so Windows is washed out no matter what I do. As far as I know they took out the brightness calibrator you know that jerk with the washed out white dress shirt.
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Nvidia is good for their hardware but, these are one of the reasons I love AMD. This sort of stuff has been happening since the Vista days, more or less.
 
Comixbooks said:
Yeah I wouldn't recommend installing this even if you know what your doing having my Nvidia driver crash unable to color gamma ect.....so Windows is washed out no matter what I do. As far as I know they took out the brightness calibrator you know that jerk with the washed out white dress shirt.
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No issues here with Nvidia. Had an older driver which was fine and also updated to the latest last night, still fine.

Isolated issue or is this a confirmed problem with this new Windows build?
 
ManofGod said:
Honestly, something is screwed up with that installation, if I am picturing things correctly. (Have you tried accessing the actual administrator account or a new account to see if they exist there?)
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Lateralus said:
That's crazy. Try launching lusrmgr.msc from Start > Run and let us know what happens.
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So I solved this one. It was weird.

I started by installing Windows as my moms user account. After install I added a separate admin account. For some reason it dodn't take as an admin account at first, so when I logged in to it to then demote the main user account to a "regular user" the settings were missing.

A reboot solved it, so all good. Sorry for crying wolf.

Still this release does have some weird problems in areas that worked perfectly well in previous builds.

Default apps - for instance - have real problems. All of the standard default apps are set to TWINUI instead of the expected "Mail" "maps", etc.

Any attempt to change them to a different app (like changin Videos from "TWINUI" to VLC results in the settings app crashing, and the settings not taking effect.

The thing is, nothing obvious has changed with the settings app since the last release, so where the hell did this bug come from?

Microsoft have really lost their ability to release decent software.

I blame the Agile model with its backlogs, limited testing and high tolerance for shipping with known bugs.

I;d like to see strict waterfall return to ALL software development, even for non-critical apps, where you have documented requirements, a documented architecture and a documented detailed design before even the first line of code is written, and then it is followed up with high coverage unit test and integration test with EVERYTHING passing before it ships.

Shipping anything with "known issues" in the release notes means you haven't done your job.

Agile needs to die in a fire.

All software should be developed per IEC 62304 Class C.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
So I solved this one. It was weird.

I started by installing Windows as my moms user account. After install I added a separate admin account. For some reason it dodn't take as an admin account at first, so when I logged in to it to then demote the main user account to a "regular user" the settings were missing.

A reboot solved it, so all good. Sorry for crying wolf.

Still this release does have some weird problems in areas that worked perfectly well in previous builds.

Default apps - for instance - have real problems. All of the standard default apps are set to TWINUI instead of the expected "Mail" "maps", etc.

Any attempt to change them to a different app (like changin Videos from "TWINUI" to VLC results in the settings app crashing, and the settings not taking effect.
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Try doing the reset to the recommended Microsoft Defaults and try again. I know that worked for a job I am at.
 
Just tried this on a different PC - it said it passed the hardware checks, downloaded all the files, then when it went to install said it failed a different hardware check (but didn't specify any particular reason) and couldn't be installed...
 
Brian_B said:
Just tried this on a different PC - it said it passed the hardware checks, downloaded all the files, then when it went to install said it failed a different hardware check (but didn't specify any particular reason) and couldn't be installed...
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very informative. did it state why like posted in the other thread?
 
pendragon1 said:
very informative. did it state why like posted in the other thread?
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Nope - just your hardware is not supported. On a machine already running Win10. I think I have the curse. Will post a screenshot if anyone is interested
 
Brian_B said:
Just tried this on a different PC - it said it passed the hardware checks, downloaded all the files, then when it went to install said it failed a different hardware check (but didn't specify any particular reason) and couldn't be installed...
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Read this. If you have any USB or other removable drive attached to the computer during the upgrade it will erroneously fail the hardware check. Just remove all removeable drives and try again.

Apparently it can also happen with internal drives.

I'd unplug all drives except the OS boot drive and try again.
 
Brian_B said:
Nope - just your hardware is not supported. On a machine already running Win10. I think I have the curse. Will post a screenshot if anyone is interested
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yes do post a pic. the other thread had a post about "your hardware isnt compatible. update stopped to prevent issues. we'll update when the issue is resolved" sorta thing.
 
This is the worst thread of the year should of never of upgraded playing around with this for about 8 hours no simple fix in sight Nvidia control panel is broken with this version of Windows. It works the first time but if you reboot or shut off the power on your PC the Nvidia control panel locks up and closes up. I tried everything on the Nvidia's site.
 
When I start the machine my colors are washed out and NV Control Panel crashes if I try to adjust anything. But if I do a reset of the machine it works again it's just really weird.
 
Comixbooks said:
When I start the machine my colors are washed out and NV Control Panel crashes if I try to adjust anything. But if I do a reset of the machine it works again it's just really weird.
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when the update is installed a mismatched driver usually gets installed. happens with amd too. run ddu and reinstall the newest NV driver.
 
pendragon1 said:
when the update is installed a mismatch driver usually gets installed. happens with amd too. run ddu and reinstall the newest NV driver.
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Same with my audio card. It replaces half the driver, leaving ASIO, headphone support, etc all borked until I repair it. Luckily, in spite of being a creative labs product, the driver installer actually works - and the repair option truly does.

Still, I hate this retarded dance I must do every time there's some windows update.
 
pendragon1 said:
when the update is installed a mismatched driver usually gets installed. happens with amd too. run ddu and reinstall the newest NV driver.
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Doesn't work for me I ran DDU several times even tried switching out my DVI cable for the HDMI does the same thing with my gaming display it's the driver and Win 1903.
 
Comixbooks said:
Doesn't work for me I ran DDU several times even tried switching out my DVI cable for the HDMI does the same thing with my gaming display it's the driver and Win 1903.
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which driver version are you using? and did you ddu in safemode like it asks?
 
pendragon1 said:
sorta true. there are still people testing just not as many and they rely on the insiders. but I honestly have not encountered any more issues than with 7, personally or professionally. just seems its always the same group of people, not just here, yelling about anything MS.
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I know it's anecdotal but I've had quite a few more issues with Win 10 than I ever had with Win 7. I have 10 Windows boxes and for the 1809 update (after all the gyrations they had with it) I had to do 4 clean installs. A 40% failure rate for upgrading is not very good. I can understand my main rig having issues since I'm always messing with it but the other systems were really relatively clean.
 
Comixbooks said:
Doesn't work for me I ran DDU several times even tried switching out my DVI cable for the HDMI does the same thing with my gaming display it's the driver and Win 1903.
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Did you run DDU after you disabled all NIC hardware?
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Alright, this is a new one- what's up with disabling the NIC hardware? Would starting Safe Mode without networking not be enough?
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I guessing so windows doesn't reinstall a driver first. could just pull the plug, might be easier.
 
sadsteve said:
I know it's anecdotal but I've had quite a few more issues with Win 10 than I ever had with Win 7. I have 10 Windows boxes and for the 1809 update (after all the gyrations they had with it) I had to do 4 clean installs. A 40% failure rate for upgrading is not very good. I can understand my main rig having issues since I'm always messing with it but the other systems were really relatively clean.
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Eh, it's hit or miss depending on what they've been doing. I believe I've carried installs from mid-7 release up to 1809, but I've made enough mistakes with Linux installs to have to have reinstalled after that point. The 1809 update was installed upon release before it was pulled, and I had no issues with it at the time...

Granted, reinstalling Windows is not a hard thing to do, nor slow. Just a tad annoying.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Eh, it's hit or miss depending on what they've been doing. I believe I've carried installs from mid-7 release up to 1809, but I've made enough mistakes with Linux installs to have to have reinstalled after that point. The 1809 update was installed upon release before it was pulled, and I had no issues with it at the time...

Granted, reinstalling Windows is not a hard thing to do, nor slow. Just a tad annoying.
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anti virus/malware is the number one thing ive seen interfere with updates.
 
pendragon1 said:
anti virus/malware is the number one thing ive seen interfere with updates.
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Ah yeah. I had the process with the Media Creation Tool fail on my ultrabook, but I wasn't watching and missed the error if there was one. Might need to tweak that.
 
I updated to the latest may rollup, unplugged 2 thumbdrives and a external hardrive, rebooted, checked for updates, not showing up. Probably part of the gradual release process...
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Alright, this is a new one- what's up with disabling the NIC hardware? Would starting Safe Mode without networking not be enough?
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Disabling all the NIC hardware makes is certain that no connections are live. (All 3 of my main computers has wired and wireless NIC's.) Once DDU is ran in safemode, the driver is installed and the computer rebooted, then the NIC's can be reenabled.
 
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