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Great read for a lunch break LOL!!!!!!!!
Seriously... HEDT is the way to go 1000% (2990WX)
It even supports ECC RAM and can easily run 128 GB of RAM.

Even if he has a hard on for Intel, he'd be better served by a Core i9 9940X with 14 cores and 28 threads at decent clocks than some ancient ass LGA 2011v2 Xeons with 4c/8t or 6c/12t. The cost is somewhat high, but its better than what he'd probably invest in allot of sad entry level Xeons and a dual processor board that isn't absolutely antiquated.
 
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The answer to your question is "No. No one has tried a dual processor Epyc motherboard in that case." Why? Because it doesn't make any sense.

What are you talking about it makes perfect sense considering the case can support a maximum size board that supports dual processors and that a case that size should support quad processors considering supermicro's SC830, SC850, and SC850P4 all support dual or quad processor motherboards being either a supermicro P3DRIII just for the supermicro SC830 or a quad slot 2 Pentium III Xeon for the SC850 or the supermicro P4QH6 as well as the P4QH8 for the SC850P4. Why it would it make more sense to waste a chassis this size on a single processor Ryzen or Ryzen Threadripper motherboard considering what I said above in this reply?
 
Email [email protected] if you really want to order from them. Don't waste their time if not. Feel free to discuss with HPE direct if you want to as well. They'll all sell it to you if you're really willing to pay for it.



Why do you keep crapping on AMD and yet you're looking for an AMD solution? Fine, I get it, you don't want TR or Ryzen, but you're trying to overkill something that doesn't benefit as much from overkill compared to how much it hurts your wallet. If you know you'll be able to afford a $20-40k Xeon Scalable system, then buy it if that's what you think you need. But in truth, the benefit to the cost, short of you being sure you'll use all of that processing capability in a 24/7 manner, it just isn't worth it.



But it isn't entirely off topic. You're going to see the largest rendering gains with GPU rendering. You could use the 1650v2 system with K4000s and probably get a better result in rendering time than you would with a purely CPU render on a $10k Xeon or Epyc setup.


I see one TR4 motherboard with 4 DIMM slots listed on Newegg, and that's a Micro ATX board. The other 12 are 8 DIMM Slots. TR4 is quad channel.


You keep calling it fartripper as if insulting the name of the processor changes anything. Just because you don't like that everyone recommends it doesn't mean you should be a dick about it. But sure, close the thread. You still seem to think you know best, but your reference point is old hardware and old software. This isn't 10 years ago, this isn't Phenom, this isn't fanboy raving, this is just the truth. We've shown you actual benchmarks with ACTUAL 3D rendering use where TR beats the equivalent prices Xeons and i7s hands down. We've shown you that the value of a top end TR versus an Epyc just isn't a good value for what you're doing. We've also pointed out that your workload IS NOT server workload but IT IS a workstation workload. 10 years ago, yes, you saw the best performance from a multi processor system for what you want to do, but today that just is not the case.


No one here is saying that. I have a 955BE and a 1090T along with a FX 8150 and I don't mind admitting that they were not what was promised. I also don't mind admitting that they were a decent value for what they offerered, but you needed Intel to get better performance.



You compare this things without realizing that the 56 core Xeon is going to be at least $25k, probably closer to $35k. Just for the processor... And that processor is the size of my oldest daughters hand. It also is limited to 2 per board, not 4 or 8, and it's soldered to the board. It's a new socket and it's basically 2 28 core 8200 xeons put together similar to how you see Epyc, TR and Ryzen with their infinity fabric. You could build 2 dual Epyc 7601 systems for the cost of 1 processor, or 3 or 4 single processor 7601s for that.

You're also comparing Threadripper to Xeon Scalables... That's workstation to server. Or, what you need versus what you don't. Epyc has 32/64 out today and it expected to have a 64/128 out with the next release of processors. So if you want to go the way of "We at Intel have 56 cores," I'll raise you with "We at AMD have a 64 core coming out this year"
https://wccftech.com/amd-7nm-epyc-64-core-32-core-cpus-specs-benchmarks-leaked/

Adding to that all, the 4 socket boards for the 8200 series are pretty damned well all proprietary boards as far as I can tell, not eatx or any other standard form factor. This is not apples to apples for what you're looking for.

We get it, you don't actually want AMD. you want Intel. Fine... Buy Intel. But remember that you need higher clock speeds and high core count, not multi processor. Don't waste your money on what you don't need.

And yes, close the thread. Dan is right, this has run it's course. You don't want to listen to anyone telling you that this isn't 10 years ago and dual and quad processors are not needed for the workload you're describing. Instead you crap on AMD and crap on all of the information being offered to you.

No I'm seriously considering AMD Epyc, but all the responses keep suggesting AMD Ryzen Threadripper instead that seem intentional just to piss me off. Fine if nobody has tried AMD Epyc in this case yet, which kind of surprises me, but don't recommend a single processor board for a case this size that it would waste the available motherboard mounting space considering I got a dual processor board in it right now with the Gigabyte 7PESH3 socket 2011v2 compatible motherboard and dual Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's. Plus considering a case this size could hold either a dual processor slot 1 Pentium III processor motherboard, such as the supermicro P3DRIII that the supermicro SC830 is intended for. Also considering that a chassis this size could hold a quad processor Pentium III Xeon motherboard, such as the SC850 or the SC850P4 meant for a quad processor supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 motherboard. Otherwise, yes if I had enough money to invest in the system I would as it stands now probably be better off putting a Xeon Scalable socket 3647 motherboard, such as the Supermicro X11DAi a dual Xeon Scalable Socket motherboard and two of the highest end Xeon Scalable Platinum processors considering AMD Eypc processors max out at 32 cores while Xeon Scalable maxes out at 56 cores. Finally, it comes down to this below showing that AMD Epyc let alone AMD Ryzen Threadripper don't have any explaination in at least the spec sheats compared to Intel's Xeon Scalable spec sheet as to what the AMD Eypc actually can do let alone the AMD Ryzen Threadripper in terms of securtiy features or other features as if these features are a big secret:

AMD Ryzen Threadripper Example:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx#product-specs

AMD Eypc Example:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-epyc-7601#product-specs

Intel Xeon Scalable Example:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...alable/platinum-processors/platinum-9282.html

Heck here is a Intel Xeon 2011v2 2603v2 that I actually have in the Lian-Li D8000 right now as an example:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...-processor-e5-2603-v2-10m-cache-1-80-ghz.html

and last here is the Intel Xeon W in direct comparison to the AMD Ryzen Threadripper, even if the AMD Ryzen Threadripper is better when considering it maxes out at 32 cores versus 28 cores that the Intel Xeon W maxes out at:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/xeon/w-processors/w-3175x.html

Also considering cases this size I did not like the latest Lian-Li D600 or anything else newer its size not here or here:

http://www.lian-li.com/pc-d600/
 
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What are you talking about it makes perfect sense considering the case can support a maximum size board that supports dual processors and that a case that size should support quad processors considering supermicro's SC830, SC850, and SC850P4 all support dual or quad processor motherboards being either a supermicro P3DRIII just for the supermicro SC830 or a quad slot 2 Pentium III Xeon for the SC850 or the supermicro P4QH6 as well as the P4QH8 for the SC850P4. Why it would it make more sense to waste a chassis this size on a single processor Ryzen or Ryzen Threadripper motherboard considering what I said above in this reply?

It doesn't make perfect sense because most servers aren't built. They are bought. Most workstations do not have dual processors these days. The rest of the above about Pentium III's and Slot 2 Xeon's is irrelevant drivel. It's totally fucking meaningless. Why do you bring up hardware that's two decades old that no one would use anymore? No one cares about that shit.

Why is it you think you have to fill a case completely? I buy cases for single processor E-ATX motherboards all the time so I have extra room to work in them. Its a fairly common practice. I bet there are more single processor motherboards in that case you have such a fetish for than dual processor boards. Quad, is damn near right out.

No I'm seriously considering AMD Epyc, but all the responses keep suggesting AMD Ryzen Threadripper instead that seem intentional just to piss me off. Fine if nobody has tried AMD Epyc in this case yet, which kind of surprises me, but don't recommend a single processor board for a case this size that it would waste the available motherboard mounting space considering

We aren't trying to piss you off. We are trying to educate you. Believe me, based on your responses you need it. Your information and thinking is over a decade out of date. The case you mentioned isn't popular. Dual processor motherboards aren't popular. Why would you be surprised? If you knew anything about the current market you would understand this. And again, you do not need to fill a case just because it has additional space.

I got a dual processor board in it right now with the Gigabyte 7PESH3 socket 2011v2 compatible motherboard and dual Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's. Plus considering a case this size could hold either a dual processor slot 1 Pentium III processor motherboard, such as the supermicro P3DRIII that the supermicro SC830 is intended for. Also considering that a chassis this size could hold a quad processor Pentium III Xeon motherboard, such as the SC850 or the SC850P4 meant for a quad processor supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 motherboard.

All of the above text is totally and completely fucking irrelevant.

Here is the definition as you seem to have a hard time grasping the concept of what the word means:

ir·rel·e·vant
/əˈreləvənt/
adjective

  1. not connected with or relevant to something.
    "an irrelevant comment"
    synonyms: beside the point, not to the point, immaterial, not pertinent, not germane, off the subject, neither here nor there, unconnected, unrelated, peripheral, tangential, extraneous, inapposite, inapt, inapplicable
When you go on and on about Pentium II's or even brand new scalable Xeons that cost more than your car, you are typing irrelevant text. It doesn't apply to the situation because that hardware is too old to matter or costs more than you can afford. So why do you go on and on about it? Its this barely coherent rambling that has us wondering if you are on the spectrum for autism or have escaped your handler and some how found internet access.

Otherwise, yes if I had enough money to invest in the system I would as it stands now probably be better off putting a Xeon Scalable socket 3647 motherboard, such as the Supermicro X11DAi a dual Xeon Scalable Socket motherboard and two of the highest end Xeon Scalable Platinum processors considering AMD Eypc processors max out at 32 cores while Xeon Scalable maxes out at 56 cores.

Wow. You keep going on with that old chestnut. In socket 3647, the Xeon Platinum 8180 maxes out at 28 cores. Not 56. There is a Xeon Platinum 9200 series. I'll give you that but its irrelevant for your purposes because you can't afford one, much less two of them. Those are also FCBGA5903 chips that are the size of your hand and weigh nearly half a pound. Again, these probably cost more than your car. They have a 400 watt TDP and two of these babies are too nice for your dusty ass case. Not too mention, Epyc will soon be available with 64 cores and 128 threads. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6599...chmarks-64c-128t-kills-competition/index.html

While we are at it, lets get one more thing perfectly straight and clear. Computing equipment is never an investment. Its a depreciating asset or liability. You buy it to perform a task and the instant you get it, the value drops on it and continues to do so for virtually the remainder of its existence with rare exception.

Finally, it comes down to this below showing that AMD Epyc let alone AMD Ryzen Threadripper don't have any explaination in at least the spec sheats compared to Intel's Xeon Scalable spec sheet as to what the AMD Eypc actually can do let alone the AMD Ryzen Threadripper in terms of securtiy features or other features as if these features are a big secret:

AMD Ryzen Threadripper Example:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx#product-specs

AMD Eypc Example:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-epyc-7601#product-specs

Intel Xeon Scalable Example:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...alable/platinum-processors/platinum-9282.html

Heck here is a Intel Xeon 2011v2 2603v2 that I actually have in the Lian-Li D8000 right now as an example:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...-processor-e5-2603-v2-10m-cache-1-80-ghz.html

and last here is the Intel Xeon W in direct comparison to the AMD Ryzen Threadripper, even if the AMD Ryzen Threadripper is better when considering it maxes out at 32 cores versus 28 cores that the Intel Xeon W maxes out at:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/xeon/w-processors/w-3175x.html

Also considering cases this size I did not like the latest Lian-Li D600 or anything else newer its size not here or here:

http://www.lian-li.com/pc-d600/

This is so hilarious its almost sad. Not every manufacturer posts specs the same way. What's not posted in the Threadripper and Epyc spec sheets isn't relevant or doesn't apply to those CPU's. Most of what you aren't seeing in the Threadripper specs are Intel technologies which either have AMD equivalents or are common features Threadripper supports, without Intel's marketing names attached to them. Again, you don't understand what you are reading. You aren't even looking at spec sheets of note. You are looking at the marketing crap on the website, not the actual detailed specifications for anything.

Here is what all of this comes down to:

1.) You can't seem to look at specs and buy a motherboard in a form factor that's supported by your case. Reading "E-ATX. ATX or HPTX" in the specs of a motherboard is too damn hard.
2.) You feel like you need a dual or quad processor motherboard for your case because you have an irrational reverence for it as though it were the greatest case of all time.
3.) You have no concept of what the HEDT market is even though it specifically caters to people who do what you want to do.
4.) You don't want to accept any single processor solution because its not worthy of your case and because you think all dual processor rigs are going to be better for what you are doing.
5.) You ignore any benchmarks or data provided which proves you are wrong.
6.) You ignore all market trends and performance data showcasing why dual processor solutions are rarely needed in the workstation market.
7.) You'd rather go Intel because AMD doesn't list things like: Intel trusted execution technology and Intel VT-D in their spec sheets. Never mind that AMD isn't going to list Intel specific marketing fluff for processors that work differently.
8.) You can't understand that Threadripper and Epyc are indeed the exact same thing intended for two different markets. Epyc is server and Threadripper is HEDT / Workstation.
9.) You refuse to accept "W" in the Threadripper 2990WX's model number does in fact, stand for workstation.
10.) You can't afford processors that cost more than $600 anyway, and therefore have no concept of money as you argue for the use of CPU's you can't afford because..........................reasons.
11.) Bonus round. You talk about software that's 10 years old, as though it has relevance today. (It doesn't, and arguably, much of it never did back then.)

I think I need a drink after reading that post. I've come to the conclusion you are the Azureth of the technical side of the HardForum. You stoke the fires of your thread, but you don't actually respond to anything in a meaningful way.
 
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It doesn't make perfect sense because most servers aren't built. They are bought. Most workstations do not have dual processors these days. The rest of the above about Pentium III's and Slot 2 Xeon's is irrelevant drivel. It's totally fucking meaningless. Why do you bring up hardware that's two decades old that no one would use anymore? No one cares about that shit.

Why is it you think you have to fill a case completely? I buy cases for single processor E-ATX motherboards all the time so I have extra room to work in them. Its a fairly common practice. I bet there are more single processor motherboards in that case you have such a fetish for than dual processor boards. Quad, is damn near right out.



We aren't trying to piss you off. We are trying to educate you. Believe me, based on your responses you need it. Your information and thinking is over a decade out of date. The case you mentioned isn't popular. Dual processor motherboards aren't popular. Why would you be surprised? If you knew anything about the current market you would understand this. And again, you do not need to fill a case just because it has additional space.



All of the above text is totally and completely fucking irrelevant.

Here is the definition as you seem to have a hard time grasping the concept of what the word means:

ir·rel·e·vant
/əˈreləvənt/
adjective

  1. not connected with or relevant to something.
    "an irrelevant comment"
    synonyms: beside the point, not to the point, immaterial, not pertinent, not germane, off the subject, neither here nor there, unconnected, unrelated, peripheral, tangential, extraneous, inapposite, inapt, inapplicable
When you go on and on about Pentium II's or even brand new scalable Xeons that cost more than your car, you are typing irrelevant text. It doesn't apply to the situation because that hardware is too old to matter or costs more than you can afford. So why do you go on and on about it? Its this barely coherent rambling that has us wondering if you are on the spectrum for autism or have escaped your handler and some how found internet access.



Wow. You keep going on with that old chestnut. In socket 3647, the Xeon Platinum 8180 maxes out at 28 cores. Not 56. There is a Xeon Platinum 9200 series. I'll give you that but its irrelevant for your purposes because you can't afford one, much less two of them. Those are also FCBGA5903 chips that are the size of your hand and weigh nearly half a pound. Again, these probably cost more than your car. They have a 400 watt TDP and two of these babies are too nice for your dusty ass case. Not too mention, Epyc will soon be available with 64 cores and 128 threads. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6599...chmarks-64c-128t-kills-competition/index.html



This is so hilarious its almost sad. Not every manufacturer posts specs the same way. What's not posted in the Threadripper and Epyc spec sheets isn't relevant or doesn't apply to those CPU's. Most of what you aren't seeing in the Threadripper specs are Intel technologies which either have AMD equivalents or are common features Threadripper supports, without Intel's marketing names attached to them. Again, you don't understand what you are reading. You aren't even looking at spec sheets of note. You are looking at the marketing crap on the website, not the actual detailed specifications for anything.

Here is what all of this comes down to:

1.) You can't seem to look at specs and buy a motherboard in a form factor that's supported by your case. Reading "E-ATX. ATX or HPTX" in the specs of a motherboard is too damn hard.
2.) You feel like you need a dual or quad processor motherboard for your case because you have an irrational reverence for it as though it were the greatest case of all time.
3.) You have no concept of what the HEDT market is even though it specifically caters to people who do what you want to do.
4.) You don't want to accept any single processor solution because its not worthy of your case and because you think all dual processor rigs are going to be better for what you are doing.
5.) You ignore any benchmarks or data provided which proves you are wrong.
6.) You ignore all market trends and performance data showcasing why dual processor solutions are rarely needed in the workstation market.
7.) You'd rather go Intel because AMD doesn't list things like: Intel trusted execution technology and Intel VT-D in their spec sheets. Never mind that AMD isn't going to list Intel specific marketing fluff for processors that work differently.
8.) You can't understand that Threadripper and Epyc are indeed the exact same thing intended for two different markets. Epyc is server and Threadripper is HEDT / Workstation.
9.) You refuse to accept "W" in the Threadripper 2990WX's model number does in fact, stand for workstation.
10.) You can't afford processors that cost more than $600 anyway, and therefore have no concept of money as you argue for the use of CPU's you can't afford because..........................reasons.
11.) Bonus round. You talk about software that's 10 years old, as though it has relevance today. (It doesn't, and arguably, much of it never did back then.)

I think I need a drink after reading that post. I've come to the conclusion you are the Azureth of the technical side of the HardForum. You stoke the fires of your thread, but you don't actually respond to anything in a meaningful way.
It doesn't make perfect sense because most servers aren't built. They are bought. Most workstations do not have dual processors these days. The rest of the above about Pentium III's and Slot 2 Xeon's is irrelevant drivel. It's totally fucking meaningless. Why do you bring up hardware that's two decades old that no one would use anymore? No one cares about that shit.

Why is it you think you have to fill a case completely? I buy cases for single processor E-ATX motherboards all the time so I have extra room to work in them. Its a fairly common practice. I bet there are more single processor motherboards in that case you have such a fetish for than dual processor boards. Quad, is damn near right out.



We aren't trying to piss you off. We are trying to educate you. Believe me, based on your responses you need it. Your information and thinking is over a decade out of date. The case you mentioned isn't popular. Dual processor motherboards aren't popular. Why would you be surprised? If you knew anything about the current market you would understand this. And again, you do not need to fill a case just because it has additional space.



All of the above text is totally and completely fucking irrelevant.

Here is the definition as you seem to have a hard time grasping the concept of what the word means:

ir·rel·e·vant
/əˈreləvənt/
adjective

  1. not connected with or relevant to something.
    "an irrelevant comment"
    synonyms: beside the point, not to the point, immaterial, not pertinent, not germane, off the subject, neither here nor there, unconnected, unrelated, peripheral, tangential, extraneous, inapposite, inapt, inapplicable
When you go on and on about Pentium II's or even brand new scalable Xeons that cost more than your car, you are typing irrelevant text. It doesn't apply to the situation because that hardware is too old to matter or costs more than you can afford. So why do you go on and on about it? Its this barely coherent rambling that has us wondering if you are on the spectrum for autism or have escaped your handler and some how found internet access.



Wow. You keep going on with that old chestnut. In socket 3647, the Xeon Platinum 8180 maxes out at 28 cores. Not 56. There is a Xeon Platinum 9200 series. I'll give you that but its irrelevant for your purposes because you can't afford one, much less two of them. Those are also FCBGA5903 chips that are the size of your hand and weigh nearly half a pound. Again, these probably cost more than your car. They have a 400 watt TDP and two of these babies are too nice for your dusty ass case. Not too mention, Epyc will soon be available with 64 cores and 128 threads. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6599...chmarks-64c-128t-kills-competition/index.html



This is so hilarious its almost sad. Not every manufacturer posts specs the same way. What's not posted in the Threadripper and Epyc spec sheets isn't relevant or doesn't apply to those CPU's. Most of what you aren't seeing in the Threadripper specs are Intel technologies which either have AMD equivalents or are common features Threadripper supports, without Intel's marketing names attached to them. Again, you don't understand what you are reading. You aren't even looking at spec sheets of note. You are looking at the marketing crap on the website, not the actual detailed specifications for anything.

Here is what all of this comes down to:

1.) You can't seem to look at specs and buy a motherboard in a form factor that's supported by your case. Reading "E-ATX. ATX or HPTX" in the specs of a motherboard is too damn hard.
2.) You feel like you need a dual or quad processor motherboard for your case because you have an irrational reverence for it as though it were the greatest case of all time.
3.) You have no concept of what the HEDT market is even though it specifically caters to people who do what you want to do.
4.) You don't want to accept any single processor solution because its not worthy of your case and because you think all dual processor rigs are going to be better for what you are doing.
5.) You ignore any benchmarks or data provided which proves you are wrong.
6.) You ignore all market trends and performance data showcasing why dual processor solutions are rarely needed in the workstation market.
7.) You'd rather go Intel because AMD doesn't list things like: Intel trusted execution technology and Intel VT-D in their spec sheets. Never mind that AMD isn't going to list Intel specific marketing fluff for processors that work differently.
8.) You can't understand that Threadripper and Epyc are indeed the exact same thing intended for two different markets. Epyc is server and Threadripper is HEDT / Workstation.
9.) You refuse to accept "W" in the Threadripper 2990WX's model number does in fact, stand for workstation.
10.) You can't afford processors that cost more than $600 anyway, and therefore have no concept of money as you argue for the use of CPU's you can't afford because..........................reasons.
11.) Bonus round. You talk about software that's 10 years old, as though it has relevance today. (It doesn't, and arguably, much of it never did back then.)

I think I need a drink after reading that post. I've come to the conclusion you are the Azureth of the technical side of the HardForum. You stoke the fires of your thread, but you don't actually respond to anything in a meaningful way.


I am starting to think you like torturing yourself :)
 
I am starting to think you like torturing yourself :)

You may be right. I'm starting to wonder why I keep responding to this nonsense. It's like telling Azureth he needs to seek help for his sexual attraction to adolescent cartoon horses, but instead we are talking about some dusty ass Lian-Li case and dual processor motherboards.
 
No I'm seriously considering AMD Epyc, but all the responses keep suggesting AMD Ryzen Threadripper instead that seem intentional just to piss me off. Fine if nobody has tried AMD Epyc in this case yet, which kind of surprises me, but don't recommend a single processor board for a case this size that it would waste the available motherboard mounting space considering I got a dual processor board in it right now with the Gigabyte 7PESH3 socket 2011v2 compatible motherboard and dual Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's. Plus considering a case this size could hold either a dual processor slot 1 Pentium III processor motherboard, such as the supermicro P3DRIII that the supermicro SC830 is intended for. Also considering that a chassis this size could hold a quad processor Pentium III Xeon motherboard, such as the SC850 or the SC850P4 meant for a quad processor supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 motherboard. Otherwise, yes if I had enough money to invest in the system I would as it stands now probably be better off putting a Xeon Scalable socket 3647 motherboard, such as the Supermicro X11DAi a dual Xeon Scalable Socket motherboard and two of the highest end Xeon Scalable Platinum processors considering AMD Eypc processors max out at 32 cores while Xeon Scalable maxes out at 56 cores. Finally, it comes down to this below showing that AMD Epyc let alone AMD Ryzen Threadripper don't have any explaination in at least the spec sheats compared to Intel's Xeon Scalable spec sheet as to what the AMD Eypc actually can do let alone the AMD Ryzen Threadripper in terms of securtiy features or other features as if these features are a big secret:

AMD Ryzen Threadripper Example:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx#product-specs

AMD Eypc Example:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-epyc-7601#product-specs

Intel Xeon Scalable Example:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...alable/platinum-processors/platinum-9282.html

Heck here is a Intel Xeon 2011v2 2603v2 that I actually have in the Lian-Li D8000 right now as an example:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...-processor-e5-2603-v2-10m-cache-1-80-ghz.html

and last here is the Intel Xeon W in direct comparison to the AMD Ryzen Threadripper, even if the AMD Ryzen Threadripper is better when considering it maxes out at 32 cores versus 28 cores that the Intel Xeon W maxes out at:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/xeon/w-processors/w-3175x.html

Also considering cases this size I did not like the latest Lian-Li D600 or anything else newer its size not here or here:

http://www.lian-li.com/pc-d600/

Jeez, you're on the friggin internet... USE A SEARCH ENGINE!
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/epyc/7601
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_threadripper/2990wx

Also, why would you expect they wouldn't have damn near a matching feature set of Intel? Do you color AMD completely friggin dense that they wouldn't have COMMON features?

And again, 64 core Epyc is coming along shortly... I doubt you'll be getting a 56 core 400w Xeon before that releases, and I severely doubt you'll be getting a dual processor version of that either.

Edit: Why does it surprise you that no one has put Epyc in a 6 year old cube case? Cube cases aren't all the rage, and even if someone has that case, they're likely using it as a home server or a workstation. Neither of which would be an Epyc build in all likelihood. I'd stick 20 drives in it and use my dual 2650s since I have them, or if I were upgrading it, it'd be a TR or top end Ryzen because why waste the money where it isn't useful. That case would be great as a workstation chassis with a powerful single cpu and multiple GPUs for 3D rendering with a handful of SSDs and a stack of mechanicals for storing completed work. Sure, multi CPU could work, but it doesn't provide you with a substantial gain per dollar over a single cpu now a days, especially when combined with GPUs

Finally, who the hell cares what the case had in it in the past being that it's all outdated stuff? And who the hell cares what it could have taken when you can't justify a 10-50k setup in the case? And who the hell would want to put a $10-50k system in that case anyways when they have purpose built cases available for stuff like this? Use the extra space to increase airflow with more fans of the quiet variety, or a water cooling kit, or any other of 1000 uses of the space. You don't need to fill every inch of the case to "make it worthwhile." The case is bought, paid for, and it's yours to do with as you please. If you want to fill every inch and get crap airflow and higher temps and waste money for processing power that is going to be idle and not ideal for the system installed, fine, do it. But stop asking for help if you're not going to take any advice from anyone.

No one here is trying to piss you off, but you just don't seem to give a crap what any of us have to say and yet you keep the thread open. Close it and move on or suck it up and hear what people are telling you
 
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What are you talking about it makes perfect sense considering the case can support a maximum size board that supports dual processors and that a case that size should support quad processors considering supermicro's SC830, SC850, and SC850P4 all support dual or quad processor motherboards being either a supermicro P3DRIII just for the supermicro SC830 or a quad slot 2 Pentium III Xeon for the SC850 or the supermicro P4QH6 as well as the P4QH8 for the SC850P4. Why it would it make more sense to waste a chassis this size on a single processor Ryzen or Ryzen Threadripper motherboard considering what I said above in this reply?

YOU DON'T NEED DUAL PROCESSORS AND THEY WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR LESS PERFORMANCE.

Dude, build for the workload, not what your stupid case can fit. You're going about this all wrong. Sell the case and buy a smaller one if you're (insanely) worried about wasting space.

We're not trying to piss you off, we're trying to save your from yourself as you seem hell bent on spending a lot of money for less performance just because you have that stupid case.

Now go read that first sentence as many times as it takes to register.
 
It doesn't make perfect sense because most servers aren't built. They are bought. Most workstations do not have dual processors these days. The rest of the above about Pentium III's and Slot 2 Xeon's is irrelevant drivel. It's totally fucking meaningless. Why do you bring up hardware that's two decades old that no one would use anymore? No one cares about that shit.

Why is it you think you have to fill a case completely? I buy cases for single processor E-ATX motherboards all the time so I have extra room to work in them. Its a fairly common practice. I bet there are more single processor motherboards in that case you have such a fetish for than dual processor boards. Quad, is damn near right out.



We aren't trying to piss you off. We are trying to educate you. Believe me, based on your responses you need it. Your information and thinking is over a decade out of date. The case you mentioned isn't popular. Dual processor motherboards aren't popular. Why would you be surprised? If you knew anything about the current market you would understand this. And again, you do not need to fill a case just because it has additional space.



All of the above text is totally and completely fucking irrelevant.

Here is the definition as you seem to have a hard time grasping the concept of what the word means:

ir·rel·e·vant
/əˈreləvənt/
adjective

  1. not connected with or relevant to something.
    "an irrelevant comment"
    synonyms: beside the point, not to the point, immaterial, not pertinent, not germane, off the subject, neither here nor there, unconnected, unrelated, peripheral, tangential, extraneous, inapposite, inapt, inapplicable
When you go on and on about Pentium II's or even brand new scalable Xeons that cost more than your car, you are typing irrelevant text. It doesn't apply to the situation because that hardware is too old to matter or costs more than you can afford. So why do you go on and on about it? Its this barely coherent rambling that has us wondering if you are on the spectrum for autism or have escaped your handler and some how found internet access.



Wow. You keep going on with that old chestnut. In socket 3647, the Xeon Platinum 8180 maxes out at 28 cores. Not 56. There is a Xeon Platinum 9200 series. I'll give you that but its irrelevant for your purposes because you can't afford one, much less two of them. Those are also FCBGA5903 chips that are the size of your hand and weigh nearly half a pound. Again, these probably cost more than your car. They have a 400 watt TDP and two of these babies are too nice for your dusty ass case. Not too mention, Epyc will soon be available with 64 cores and 128 threads. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6599...chmarks-64c-128t-kills-competition/index.html

While we are at it, lets get one more thing perfectly straight and clear. Computing equipment is never an investment. Its a depreciating asset or liability. You buy it to perform a task and the instant you get it, the value drops on it and continues to do so for virtually the remainder of its existence with rare exception.



This is so hilarious its almost sad. Not every manufacturer posts specs the same way. What's not posted in the Threadripper and Epyc spec sheets isn't relevant or doesn't apply to those CPU's. Most of what you aren't seeing in the Threadripper specs are Intel technologies which either have AMD equivalents or are common features Threadripper supports, without Intel's marketing names attached to them. Again, you don't understand what you are reading. You aren't even looking at spec sheets of note. You are looking at the marketing crap on the website, not the actual detailed specifications for anything.

Here is what all of this comes down to:

1.) You can't seem to look at specs and buy a motherboard in a form factor that's supported by your case. Reading "E-ATX. ATX or HPTX" in the specs of a motherboard is too damn hard.
2.) You feel like you need a dual or quad processor motherboard for your case because you have an irrational reverence for it as though it were the greatest case of all time.
3.) You have no concept of what the HEDT market is even though it specifically caters to people who do what you want to do.
4.) You don't want to accept any single processor solution because its not worthy of your case and because you think all dual processor rigs are going to be better for what you are doing.
5.) You ignore any benchmarks or data provided which proves you are wrong.
6.) You ignore all market trends and performance data showcasing why dual processor solutions are rarely needed in the workstation market.
7.) You'd rather go Intel because AMD doesn't list things like: Intel trusted execution technology and Intel VT-D in their spec sheets. Never mind that AMD isn't going to list Intel specific marketing fluff for processors that work differently.
8.) You can't understand that Threadripper and Epyc are indeed the exact same thing intended for two different markets. Epyc is server and Threadripper is HEDT / Workstation.
9.) You refuse to accept "W" in the Threadripper 2990WX's model number does in fact, stand for workstation.
10.) You can't afford processors that cost more than $600 anyway, and therefore have no concept of money as you argue for the use of CPU's you can't afford because..........................reasons.
11.) Bonus round. You talk about software that's 10 years old, as though it has relevance today. (It doesn't, and arguably, much of it never did back then.)

I think I need a drink after reading that post. I've come to the conclusion you are the Azureth of the technical side of the HardForum. You stoke the fires of your thread, but you don't actually respond to anything in a meaningful way.

Ryzen Threadripper is single processor workstation and Eypc is dual processer server/workstation just look here at this supermicro product description page in regards to Eypc:

https://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/EPYC7000/H11DSi.cfm

Oh sure there's a single processor server/workstation motherboard for the AMD Epyc here, but that's not what I meant:

https://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/EPYC7000/H11SSL-i.cfm

and then there are Ryzen Threadripper single processor boards here, but not what I meant regardless of if that's what you meant and non of these boards support dual processors either. I know it's graphics card performance now and has been for a long time, which muliti-processor still help considering server farms are still necessary as Silicon Graphics has switch to mostly supporting server farms:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007625 601301151

The Xeon Scalable Socket 3647 does not max out at 28 cores instead of 56 considering you didn't read this properly as it clearly says number of cores 56 here:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...alable/platinum-processors/platinum-9282.html

I bring up hardware that is 2 decades old to point out how much a single processor Ryzen Threadripper board and processor would be a waste of space in a chassis this size.
 
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Jeez, you're on the friggin internet... USE A SEARCH ENGINE!
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/epyc/7601
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_threadripper/2990wx

Also, why would you expect they wouldn't have damn near a matching feature set of Intel? Do you color AMD completely friggin dense that they wouldn't have COMMON features?

And again, 64 core Epyc is coming along shortly... I doubt you'll be getting a 56 core 400w Xeon before that releases, and I severely doubt you'll be getting a dual processor version of that either.

Edit: Why does it surprise you that no one has put Epyc in a 6 year old cube case? Cube cases aren't all the rage, and even if someone has that case, they're likely using it as a home server or a workstation. Neither of which would be an Epyc build in all likelihood. I'd stick 20 drives in it and use my dual 2650s since I have them, or if I were upgrading it, it'd be a TR or top end Ryzen because why waste the money where it isn't useful. That case would be great as a workstation chassis with a powerful single cpu and multiple GPUs for 3D rendering with a handful of SSDs and a stack of mechanicals for storing completed work. Sure, multi CPU could work, but it doesn't provide you with a substantial gain per dollar over a single cpu now a days, especially when combined with GPUs

Finally, who the hell cares what the case had in it in the past being that it's all outdated stuff? And who the hell cares what it could have taken when you can't justify a 10-50k setup in the case? And who the hell would want to put a $10-50k system in that case anyways when they have purpose built cases available for stuff like this? Use the extra space to increase airflow with more fans of the quiet variety, or a water cooling kit, or any other of 1000 uses of the space. You don't need to fill every inch of the case to "make it worthwhile." The case is bought, paid for, and it's yours to do with as you please. If you want to fill every inch and get crap airflow and higher temps and waste money for processing power that is going to be idle and not ideal for the system installed, fine, do it. But stop asking for help if you're not going to take any advice from anyone.

No one here is trying to piss you off, but you just don't seem to give a crap what any of us have to say and yet you keep the thread open. Close it and move on or suck it up and hear what people are telling you

It's six year old server cube chassis made better than any other server cube chassis by Lian-Li currently. I lable AMD as mostly hype, but I'm still serrously considering Eypc and not Ryzen Threadripper. I'm ignoring everything else you said because you do not understand my reason for building a server cube for having to work on such a small scale considering I don't own or have access to a server farm and that I have no interest in a single processor Ryzen Threadripper system considering I already have a single processor workstation class computer.
 
I'm ignoring everything else you said because you do not understand my reason for building a server cube for having to work on such a small scale considering I don't own or have access to a server farm and that I have no interest in a single processor Ryzen Threadripper system considering I already have a single processor workstation class computer.


You don't seem to know, or are unable to articulate, what your reason for building a server cube is.
 
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Ryzen Threadripper is single processor workstation and Eypc is dual processer server/workstation just look here at this supermicro product description page in regards to Eypc:

https://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/EPYC7000/H11DSi.cfm

Oh sure there's a single processor server/workstation motherboard for the AMD Epyc here, but that's not what I meant:

https://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/EPYC7000/H11SSL-i.cfm

I did misspeak a bit here. Yes, Epyc is also used as a workstation solution. I never meant to imply that it could only be used for server workloads. That is its more common use, but its not the only thing its used for. However, you are under the misconception that this is ideal for all workstation workloads and that it is ideal for what you want to do. It isn't. You need to understand that clock speed matters and HEDT is a better platform for certain workstation tasks as a result. Not every piece of software, even at a professional level continues to benefit from more and more cores. Photoshop for example does get used by people who do 3D modeling for texture work. It doesn't require 32 cores and 64 threads. It would benefit more from higher clock speeds and less cores than more cores with a low clock speed. You also don't need the additional I/O offered by a dual processor Epyc solution such as 128 PCIe lanes and eight memory channels. You'd be surprised how little that extra memory bandwidth helps. In fact, situations where it does are extremely rare and are far more common for tasks such as SQL database transactions. There is a reason why SQL eats all the RAM that's available on a machine when you install it regardless of the system used.

Certainly, there are cases for Epyc based workstations. Again, your point is moot because there is something else you aren't considering. That's price / performance. You aren't going to spend $9,000 on a pair of Epyc 7601 processors. You are struggling to make car payments and buy computer hardware as it is. Let's say you bought a pair of Epyc 7281's. These are 16 core and 32 thread CPU's. It takes a pair of them to equal the core and thread count of a Threadripper 2990WX. The Epyc 7281 still costs nearly $700 each and only operates at 2.7GHz max compared to 4.2GHz. In workstation tasks, that Threadripper CPU will perform better due to having the same core count and higher clocks. The Epyc system only has the advantage of PCIe lanes and memory channels which again, matters more in server workloads, not workstation workloads. You build for the workload and your budget, not arbitrary criteria. Especially not when your on a budget.

and then there are Ryzen Threadripper single processor boards here, but not what I meant regardless of if that's what you meant and non of these boards support dual processors either.

More incoherent rambling. I spent a few minutes trying to figure out what you are talking about here, but I gave up on it.

I know it's graphics card performance now and has been for a long time, which muliti-processor still help considering server farms are still necessary as Silicon Graphics has switch to mostly supporting server farms:

This shows just how out of touch you are. Silicon Graphics is a defunct company. It no longer exists. It filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2009. So they aren't running "mostly supporting server farms". Whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. Again, these days GPU compute power and acceleration are more important for 3D rendering rather than CPU cores are.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007625 601301151

The Xeon Scalable Socket 3647 does not max out at 28 cores instead of 56 considering you didn't read this properly as it clearly says number of cores 56 here:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...alable/platinum-processors/platinum-9282.html

Incorrect. The LGA 3647 CPU's max out at 28 cores and 56 threads. You linked the Xeon Platinum 9282 which indeed has 56 cores, but as I stated earlier it isn't LGA 3647. Its FCBGA5903. Its a BGA CPU. It also likely costs more than your car. Pricing hasn't been announced, but given that its got twice the core count of a Xeon Platinum 8180 that's already ten thousand dollars, its irrelevant. You won't be buying a pair of them. In fact, this is likely going to be an OEM only solution that will not be available to the public at all.

I bring up hardware that is 2 decades old to point out how much a single processor Ryzen Threadripper board and processor would be a waste of space in a chassis this size.

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So what? Sell that case and buy a different one. Or use it and don't fill it.
 
you know what you should do with the extra space? water cooling.

I'm sure someone tried to convince him that water cooling was great and he tried it and what not and turned out they lied to him because he got water all over his dual socket Pentium 3 xeon in a supermicro sc850 with a 52x CD burner that he got to help studying for a computer information systems test and buying a new motherboard which cause him miss his rent for the third month one row and the landlord kicked him out and the he to move back in with his parents or brother or something and so water cooling would be a waste of space in such magnificent case that can only work properly with dual socket motherboards.
 
I find this fascinating. OP is primarily looking for a way to burn brain cells filling up space inside an ugly PC case at the expense of logic.

Why doesn’t everyone understand?!?

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I'm sure someone tried to convince him that water cooling was great and he tried it and what not and turned out they lied to him because he got water all over his dual socket Pentium 3 xeon in a supermicro sc850 with a 52x CD burner that he got to help studying for a computer information systems test and buying a new motherboard which cause him miss his rent for the third month one row and the landlord kicked him out and the he to move back in with his parents or brother or something and so water cooling would be a waste of space in such magnificent case that can only work properly with dual socket motherboards.

B+. Solid effort, but it made too much sense.
 
It's six year old server cube chassis made better than any other server cube chassis by Lian-Li currently. I lable AMD as mostly hype, but I'm still serrously considering Eypc and not Ryzen Threadripper. I'm ignoring everything else you said because you do not understand my reason for building a server cube for having to work on such a small scale considering I don't own or have access to a server farm and that I have no interest in a single processor Ryzen Threadripper system considering I already have a single processor workstation class computer.

If you label AMD as hype and refuse to accept that it clearly and obviously isn't by the myriad of reviews saying that the current lineup is a damned strong comeback from them, then go bug the Intel people. Again, you're considering the wrong processors for the workload, and clearly I understand your reason better than you do since I grasp that 3D rendering today is strongly GPU ruled for rendering power, and if you're to do it with CPUs, you need higher clock speeds instead of more cores. More cores can help, sure, but the higher clock will do you better in this case, and that's Threadripper. And thank you for finally not talking being petty with the name...

It is worth thinking about the possibility of either A) selling the case and building said server farm, or B) not using the space for the sake of space. I'm not knocking the case or your ownership of it, but forcing yourself to maximize space isn't the only option available to you.

Lets rewind some and come back to the beginning of this all... You need to come up with a business model that can justify the cost of this, one that will ensure you don't lose your ass in the process. And you need to secure funding that can allow for the purchase of the equipment AND software that you need for this. But might I suggest that you put this hardware portion on the back burner for just a bit and get a monthly subscription to 3DS Max or Maya and see if you can figure the workflow for them. Take a weeks vacation from work, sit at your computer, turn off your phone and social media (including this forum) and just go to town. If you're set on any type of hardware for this use case, make sure you can use the software you plan to use it for instead of burning money for no good reason.


I find this fascinating. OP is primarily looking for a way to burn brain cells filling up space inside an ugly PC case at the expense of logic.

Why doesn’t everyone understand?!?

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That is the most amazing image I've seen in long time. It's just magnificent
 
If you label AMD as hype and refuse to accept that it clearly and obviously isn't by the myriad of reviews saying that the current lineup is a damned strong comeback from them, then go bug the Intel people. Again, you're considering the wrong processors for the workload, and clearly I understand your reason better than you do since I grasp that 3D rendering today is strongly GPU ruled for rendering power, and if you're to do it with CPUs, you need higher clock speeds instead of more cores. More cores can help, sure, but the higher clock will do you better in this case, and that's Threadripper. And thank you for finally not talking being petty with the name...

It is worth thinking about the possibility of either A) selling the case and building said server farm, or B) not using the space for the sake of space. I'm not knocking the case or your ownership of it, but forcing yourself to maximize space isn't the only option available to you.

Lets rewind some and come back to the beginning of this all... You need to come up with a business model that can justify the cost of this, one that will ensure you don't lose your ass in the process. And you need to secure funding that can allow for the purchase of the equipment AND software that you need for this. But might I suggest that you put this hardware portion on the back burner for just a bit and get a monthly subscription to 3DS Max or Maya and see if you can figure the workflow for them. Take a weeks vacation from work, sit at your computer, turn off your phone and social media (including this forum) and just go to town. If you're set on any type of hardware for this use case, make sure you can use the software you plan to use it for instead of burning money for no good reason.




That is the most amazing image I've seen in long time. It's just magnificent

Yes I lable AMD as nothing, but hype considering I had to compare AMD's most recent offerings to Intels with specification sheets and AMD's specification sheets still had little to say as to what their processors actually can do for the customer, but I'm still seriously considering an AMD Epyc build and think AMD Ryzen Threadripper is actually pretty good too except the motherboards seem more geared towards gamers than professional developers needing actual or true workstations as well as just the AMD Ryzen system too that seemed to be geared towards people with extremely low budgets that still uses an AM# socket called AM4 because AMD hasn't migrated away from old FCPGA even if Intel approach and AMD approach with LGA still doesn't solve the problem with the either the heatsink pulling a processor out of the cpu socket if the thermal grease sticks to it will taking off the heatsink with FCPGA sockets or the pins getting bent in an LGA socket if the user cannot find the LGA processor socket cover for some reason or whatever the case may be.
 
Yes I lable AMD as nothing, but hype considering I had to compare AMD's most recent offerings to Intels with specification sheets and AMD's specification sheets still had little to say as to what their processors actually can do for the customer, but I'm still seriously considering an AMD Epyc build and think AMD Ryzen Threadripper is actually pretty good too except the motherboards seem more geared towards gamers than professional developers needing actual or true workstations as well as just the AMD Ryzen system too that seemed to be geared towards people with extremely low budgets that still uses an AM# socket called AM4 because AMD hasn't migrated away from old FCPGA even if Intel approach and AMD approach with LGA still doesn't solve the problem with the either the heatsink pulling a processor out of the cpu socket if the thermal grease sticks to it will taking off the heatsink with FCPGA sockets or the pins getting bent in an LGA socket if the user cannot find the LGA processor socket cover for some reason or whatever the case may be.

If you look at the MSI Meg creation or Asus Zenith Extreme Alpha, those two are decidedly productivity boards with about the best VRM of any motherboard out there. If you put a 2990WX in there with watercooling to fill up the rest of that case of yours, enable PBO, and you'll have about the baddest ass workstation you can build for under $20k, and should be able to do it for less than 1/4 of that.
 
Yes I lable AMD as nothing, but hype considering I had to compare AMD's most recent offerings to Intels with specification sheets and AMD's specification sheets still had little to say as to what their processors actually can do for the customer, but I'm still seriously considering an AMD Epyc build and think AMD Ryzen Threadripper is actually pretty good too except the motherboards seem more geared towards gamers than professional developers needing actual or true workstations as well as just the AMD Ryzen system too that seemed to be geared towards people with extremely low budgets that still uses an AM# socket called AM4 because AMD hasn't migrated away from old FCPGA even if Intel approach and AMD approach with LGA still doesn't solve the problem with the either the heatsink pulling a processor out of the cpu socket if the thermal grease sticks to it will taking off the heatsink with FCPGA sockets or the pins getting bent in an LGA socket if the user cannot find the LGA processor socket cover for some reason or whatever the case may be.

Meaning, you seem to think that a true workstation board for Threadripper should have a green or blue PCB, blue and or brown slots, black and blue memory slots and look like its straight out of the 1990's. Fortunately, they aren't built that way anymore but that doesn't mean they are expressly for gamers. The GIGABYTE X399 Designare EX is not meant for gamer's specifically. The MSI X399 MEG Creation is not for gamers. These are intended for content creators. Its just that boards now are built to be a bit more aesthetically pleasing than they were ten years ago.

And we aren't talking about socket AM4 and regular Ryzen CPU's. Again, this is irrelevant to the discussion.

You mean you found nothing on this page useful?

https://www.amd.com/en/processors/server-white-papers

That's not what he was looking at. He was looking at the basic specifications on their respective product pages which has little information for either. Its true AMD doesn't have as much listed, but what's not listed are Intel specific terms and features which are generally meaningless in this context.
 
Meaning, you seem to think that a true workstation board for Threadripper should have a green or blue PCB, blue and or brown slots, black and blue memory slots and look like its straight out of the 1990's. Fortunately, they aren't built that way anymore but that doesn't mean they are expressly for gamers. The GIGABYTE X399 Designare EX is not meant for gamer's specifically. The MSI X399 MEG Creation is not for gamers. These are intended for content creators. Its just that boards now are built to be a bit more aesthetically pleasing than they were ten years ago.

And we aren't talking about socket AM4 and regular Ryzen CPU's. Again, this is irrelevant to the discussion.



That's not what he was looking at. He was looking at the basic specifications on their respective product pages which has little information for either. Its true AMD doesn't have as much listed, but what's not listed are Intel specific terms and features which are generally meaningless in this context.

It's obvious he's not looking at anything. For someone who claims to be interested in what AMD Epyc has to offer, he's putting damned little effort into actually looking for any information. The page I linked was reached from literally the first hit on Google when I searched for "AMD Epyc specs"
 
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