Best recommended AMD Processor for Lian-Li D8000 server cube build

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you know whats truly difficult?! trying to follow any of your walls of text. that case supports up to HPTX boards so an EATX should fit fine.

What is an HPTX motherboard and who makes one becuase I can't find one on newegg consider that is the easiest merchant website to find anything computer related?
 
What is an HPTX motherboard and who makes one becuase I can't find one on newegg consider that is the easiest merchant website to find anything computer related?
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I want pics, that's all I care about. You can't have a 3 week old thread about the great PC-D8000, own the case and not have any pics.

I don't have them with me at my apartment or on my phone, so I'll get them to you on here and Dan D this weekend if nothing prevents it.
 

That's a nice pic of different form factors and there manufacturers, but you left our Supermicro's SWTX usually used for quad processor boards and you're forgetting or maybe it doesn't matter that MSI's Big Bang X-Power II motherboard was also an XL-ATX (Extended Length Advanced Technology Extended) form factor motherboard too and that SSI EEB is just another name for EATX (Extended Advanced Technology Extended) form factor usually used for Dual processor motherboards.
 
not my pic so idc whats missing. afaik nobody makes them anymore but it was used as an example so you would stop questioning if a board would fit.
 
That's a nice pic of different form factors and there manufacturers, but you left our Supermicro's SWTX usually used for quad processor boards and you're forgetting or maybe it doesn't matter that MSI's Big Bang X-Power II motherboard was also an XL-ATX (Extended Length Advanced Technology Extended) form factor motherboard too and that SSI EEB is just another name for EATX (Extended Advanced Technology Extended) form factor usually used for Dual processor motherboards.

An XL-ATX motherboard is in the picture. SSI EEB is not just another name for E-ATX. They are infact slightly different. As for Supermicro's SWTX form factor, I have never heard of it specifically. On their site, none of their motherboards appear in that form factor. Anything not in a standard form factor is listed as "proprietary" for use in Supermicro Chassis specifically.
 
An XL-ATX motherboard is in the picture. SSI EEB is not just another name for E-ATX. They are infact slightly different. As for Supermicro's SWTX form factor, I have never heard of it specifically. On their site, none of their motherboards appear in that form factor. Anything not in a standard form factor is listed as "proprietary" for use in Supermicro Chassis specifically.

I don't know how I found Supermicro's SWTX form factor boards, but so far only the Supermicro P4QH6 snd P4WH8 used it that I know of that needed for the Supermicro SC850P4 Chassis the only chassis from Supermicro anything like Lian-Li D8000 chassis.
 
I want pics, that's all I care about. You can't have a 3 week old thread about the great PC-D8000, own the case and not have any pics.

Here are the pictures:

The front of the case>


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That back of the case without fans>

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The back of the motherboard tray and motherboard I/O panel with I/O sheild in place>

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A picture of the motherboard tray with the Gigabyte 7PESH3 Intel Xeon 2011v2 compatrible socket, two Intel Xeon 2011v2 2604v2 processors without heatsinks for now, one PNY Nvidia Quadro based K420 graphics card, one Areca ARC-1264iL-16 SATA/SAS 16 port RAID card, and no RAM yet until this build is complete.
 
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I don't know I can't even find my copy of True Space 3, which should be better than Bryce 3D. Also, Bryce 3D and True Space 3 should be better than Blender, but nothing is probably better than 3D studio Max and I don't know where to get 3D studio max officially. Also, I know I can usually only afford a $200 to $600 processor, so usually that's equates to only about the cheapest and slowest 4 to 6 core except that isn't the problem though and I keep telling you and everyone on here I want to know if anyone has tried an AMD Epyc board in this Lian-Li D8000 chassis because I had the Lian-Li 343B, but it could only support a single processor motherboard and I already have a single processor board in my Lian-Li A71F. Therefore, putting a single processor AMD Ryzen in my Lian-Li D8000 wouldn't make much sense if I want to get the most processing power I can using that case now would it and If I can get a dual or multi-processor board for Ryzen nobody has said they tried it in this chassis in any of the replies yet and I doubt I can because I checked newegg first, which is why I asked on here. i would have checked amazon too besides newegg, but it's harder to find true server/workstation boards let alone dual processor or multi-processor boards on amazaon let alone anywhere else without first checking the board manufacturers website and it's always difficult to find a good board that's in stock from almost any merchant.

Wait wait... You say you can only afford a $200-$600 processor, but somehow that ISN'T THE PROBLEM? Why the hell are you even considering dual and quad processor epyc systems? And to top it off, you say that's the cheapest and slowed quad or hex system??? What rock have you been living under? Ryzen 7 2700X is under 300 in most places and thats an 8 core 16 thread reasonable processor. Not the cheapest and slowest. I think it's Blender BMW benchmark took 250 seconds or some such. Same test as used in the ones I linked for the other processors. Mind you, that's more than triple a 2990WX which has 4x the core/thread count. The 2950X runs it in 129, 1 3/4 or so of the 2990wx for half the core count and just under half the cost, double the 2700x at bit over double the cost. AMDs cost to performance ratio on 3D rendering CPU bound scales really well. I understand you WANT the most processing power out of the system, but you not only can't find the software you want to use, it's also outdated by years anyways. Adding to that, you say you can't afford 3DS Max at it's < 1600/yr subscription price before addon costs if any, yet you want to look at multiple $4k processors? There's a major flaw in whatever logic you're working with here.

That's a nice pic of different form factors and there manufacturers, but you left our Supermicro's SWTX usually used for quad processor boards and you're forgetting or maybe it doesn't matter that MSI's Big Bang X-Power II motherboard was also an XL-ATX (Extended Length Advanced Technology Extended) form factor motherboard too and that SSI EEB is just another name for EATX (Extended Advanced Technology Extended) form factor usually used for Dual processor motherboards.
SSI EEB and EATX aren't the same form factor... Go ahead and ask me how I know. It involves a drill, taps, replacement standoffs, and a supermicro server chassis. They aren't the same, so be sure before you buy that you can and are willing to modify to fit, or that you can support it in another chassis somewhere else.

Buy what you can afford... don't waste money in places you don't need to. Especially if you're not sure of what you need yet. Use what you have, get 3DS Max or some other proper software such as Maya, and work from there. Once you're good with the software, then figure out what you need and can afford hardware wise. If you want the best bang for you buck, the 2990wx still is it. If you want to waste the end of time money, you can, but your gain is minimal at best and the time to recoup those kinds of costs with a single person dev team will be far more than it's worth.
 
Wait wait... You say you can only afford a $200-$600 processor, but somehow that ISN'T THE PROBLEM? Why the hell are you even considering dual and quad processor epyc systems? And to top it off, you say that's the cheapest and slowed quad or hex system??? What rock have you been living under? Ryzen 7 2700X is under 300 in most places and thats an 8 core 16 thread reasonable processor. Not the cheapest and slowest. I think it's Blender BMW benchmark took 250 seconds or some such. Same test as used in the ones I linked for the other processors. Mind you, that's more than triple a 2990WX which has 4x the core/thread count. The 2950X runs it in 129, 1 3/4 or so of the 2990wx for half the core count and just under half the cost, double the 2700x at bit over double the cost. AMDs cost to performance ratio on 3D rendering CPU bound scales really well. I understand you WANT the most processing power out of the system, but you not only can't find the software you want to use, it's also outdated by years anyways. Adding to that, you say you can't afford 3DS Max at it's < 1600/yr subscription price before addon costs if any, yet you want to look at multiple $4k processors? There's a major flaw in whatever logic you're working with here.


SSI EEB and EATX aren't the same form factor... Go ahead and ask me how I know. It involves a drill, taps, replacement standoffs, and a supermicro server chassis. They aren't the same, so be sure before you buy that you can and are willing to modify to fit, or that you can support it in another chassis somewhere else.

Buy what you can afford... don't waste money in places you don't need to. Especially if you're not sure of what you need yet. Use what you have, get 3DS Max or some other proper software such as Maya, and work from there. Once you're good with the software, then figure out what you need and can afford hardware wise. If you want the best bang for you buck, the 2990wx still is it. If you want to waste the end of time money, you can, but your gain is minimal at best and the time to recoup those kinds of costs with a single person dev team will be far more than it's worth.

I'm not living under a rock and I've only noticed the latest most affordable Intel offering especially Xeon Scalable, which are the the Xeon 2011v2, Xeon 2011v3, Xeon 2011v4, and Xeon Scalabable that basically in the $200-$600 price range for 4 to 6 cores. When considering Xeon Scalable Bronze and Silver typically go for $200 at the mininimum and $600 or so for Silver where as gold and especially Platinum will cost up to around $10000 if you can find a merchant that will sell them to me if not you too.

I'm not lookng for a bang for my buck because the last time I let someone talk me into that I got a crappy ATI 9500 based card from Connect3d instead of an Nvidia based 5600, even if the ATI 9500 Connect3d card was better than the Nvidia based 5600 and I doubt it was because I did my research on all Nvidia cards compared to ATI at the time an Nvidia 5600 was supposed to be superior, but either way the ATI 9500 based card was a huge disappointment considering everyone except maybe the actual ATI company saying you could flash the Radeon cards at the time with a bios from a slightly better card that happend to be what killed my ATI 9500 based Connect3d card. Therefore, I don't recommended flashing your video cards bios with bios from a slightly better card because I did it correctly and it worked, but the card started displaying messed up visual artifacts in the scene and the computer kept crashing until I flash it back to the orginal bios before the card died.
 
I'm not living under a rock and I've only noticed the latest most affordable Intel offering especially Xeon Scalable, which are the the Xeon 2011v2, Xeon 2011v3, Xeon 2011v4, and Xeon Scalabable that basically in the $200-$600 price range for 4 to 6 cores. When considering Xeon Scalable Bronze and Silver typically go for $200 at the mininimum and $600 or so for Silver where as gold and especially Platinum will cost up to around $10000 if you can find a merchant that will sell them to me if not you too.

Right.. but this is still more than you need.

I'm not lookng for a bang for my buck because the last time I let someone talk me into that I got a crappy ATI 9500 based card from Connect3d instead of an Nvidia based 5600, even if the ATI 9500 Connect3d card was better than the Nvidia based 5600 and I doubt it was because I did my research on all Nvidia cards compared to ATI at the time an Nvidia 5600 was supposed to be superior, but either way the ATI 9500 based card was a huge disappointment considering everyone except maybe the actual ATI company saying you could flash the Radeon cards at the time with a bios from a slightly better card that happend to be what killed my ATI 9500 based Connect3d card. Therefore, I don't recommended flashing your video cards bios with bios from a slightly better card because I did it correctly and it worked, but the card started displaying messed up visual artifacts in the scene and the computer kept crashing until I flash it back to the orginal bios before the card died.

... irrelevant
 
I'm not living under a rock and I've only noticed the latest most affordable Intel offering especially Xeon Scalable, which are the the Xeon 2011v2, Xeon 2011v3, Xeon 2011v4, and Xeon Scalabable that basically in the $200-$600 price range for 4 to 6 cores. When considering Xeon Scalable Bronze and Silver typically go for $200 at the mininimum and $600 or so for Silver where as gold and especially Platinum will cost up to around $10000 if you can find a merchant that will sell them to me if not you too.

I'm not lookng for a bang for my buck because the last time I let someone talk me into that I got a crappy ATI 9500 based card from Connect3d instead of an Nvidia based 5600, even if the ATI 9500 Connect3d card was better than the Nvidia based 5600 and I doubt it was because I did my research on all Nvidia cards compared to ATI at the time an Nvidia 5600 was supposed to be superior, but either way the ATI 9500 based card was a huge disappointment considering everyone except maybe the actual ATI company saying you could flash the Radeon cards at the time with a bios from a slightly better card that happend to be what killed my ATI 9500 based Connect3d card. Therefore, I don't recommended flashing your video cards bios with bios from a slightly better card because I did it correctly and it worked, but the card started displaying messed up visual artifacts in the scene and the computer kept crashing until I flash it back to the orginal bios before the card died.

Are you kidding me? You want ancient Xeon 2011 v2's etc? 4 or 6 core Xeons will get spanked by a $600 Threadripper. You are missing the point. You can get more cores with much higher clock speeds in a very common single processor now which will benefit the applications you want to run. The mainstream and HEDT core race is a recent thing. Its only in the last couple years that the core counts have been going up so obscenely fast. Buying quad and hex core dual processor hardware isn't the way to go here. Not when that $600 would buy you a better CPU that can out perform two ancient Xeons.
 
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I'm not living under a rock
Yes, you are. Just referencing an experience with hardware from nearly two decades ago as proof of that only proves otherwise. Hell, one of the companies you mentioned ceased to exist as a company over 10 years ago.

BTW. the 9500 was better than the 5600. Does your research only consist of reading the manufacturer's marketing material?
 
He talks about not living under a rock, but an 8 Core Ryzen 2700X will eat or at the very least, match those dual socket 2011 V2s in almost any workload...

Maybe some research into the last few CPU releases is necessary...
 
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I'm not living under a rock and I've only noticed the latest most affordable Intel offering especially Xeon Scalable, which are the the Xeon 2011v2, Xeon 2011v3, Xeon 2011v4, and Xeon Scalabable that basically in the $200-$600 price range for 4 to 6 cores. When considering Xeon Scalable Bronze and Silver typically go for $200 at the mininimum and $600 or so for Silver where as gold and especially Platinum will cost up to around $10000 if you can find a merchant that will sell them to me if not you too.

But again, $600 12 core, 24 thread 2920X @ 629. You need to go down or up $100 to get the next nearest current Xeon Scalable system. And yet the 2920 beats both of them hands down by a mile. As to someone willing to sell you a platinum, Newegg has some for sale on their site. Cancom in San Fran can get you one pretty easily. They set us up with one for a test system we used in our office and it was promptly replaced after testing. In a 3D rendering workload it could not keep up with a higher base clocked system. More cores were nice, sure, but a faster and lower core count was a better choice for the 3D systems in question. Those systems were replaced with consumer grade i7 extremes. Your workload would likely be similar. The only reason they didn't get something between a 2920x and 2990wx is that they weren't available at the time we needed them. They're on the next invoice for our next build out...

I'm not lookng for a bang for my buck because the last time I let someone talk me into that I got a crappy ATI 9500 based card from Connect3d instead of an Nvidia based 5600, even if the ATI 9500 Connect3d card was better than the Nvidia based 5600 and I doubt it was because I did my research on all Nvidia cards compared to ATI at the time an Nvidia 5600 was supposed to be superior, but either way the ATI 9500 based card was a huge disappointment considering everyone except maybe the actual ATI company saying you could flash the Radeon cards at the time with a bios from a slightly better card that happend to be what killed my ATI 9500 based Connect3d card. Therefore, I don't recommended flashing your video cards bios with bios from a slightly better card because I did it correctly and it worked, but the card started displaying messed up visual artifacts in the scene and the computer kept crashing until I flash it back to the orginal bios before the card died.

This is still a bang for the buck conversation when you're saying $600 is the top end for a processor here. That's the definition of bang for the buck and the 2920X is the best bang for the buck at the near $600 mark. If the buck wasn't the issue at hand, the 2990wx is the best processor for your use just the same, or the top end i9s though those would be wasteful in all truth.

mda mentioned the 2700x and he isn't entirely wrong. When you start comparing to 2011v2 systems, it's a damned good value. The only reason my server is running 2650s is because i could pick up 2 of them, a board and memory, plus heatsinks, for cheaper than a top end ryzen at the time I made it. My rebuild of that server will be a 2700x or a next gen Ryzen not just because it's a good value, but because it's really friggin powerful for the dollar.
 
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But again, $600 12 core, 24 thread 2920X @ 629. You need to go down or up $100 to get the next nearest current Xeon Scalable system. And yet the 2920 beats both of them hands down by a mile. As to someone willing to sell you a platinum, Newegg has some for sale on their site. Cancom in San Fran can get you one pretty easily. They set us up with one for a test system we used in our office and it was promptly replaced after testing. In a 3D rendering workload it could not keep up with a higher base clocked system. More cores were nice, sure, but a faster and lower core count was a better choice for the 3D systems in question. Those systems were replaced with consumer grade i7 extremes. Your workload would likely be similar. The only reason they didn't get something between a 2920x and 2990wx is that they weren't available at the time we needed them. They're on the next invoice for our next build out...



This is still a bang for the buck conversation when you're saying $600 is the top end for a processor here. That's the definition of bang for the buck and the 2920X is the best bang for the buck at the near $600 mark. If the buck wasn't the issue at hand, the 2990wx is the best processor for your use just the same, or the top end i9s though those would be wasteful in all truth.

mda mentioned the 2700x and he isn't entirely wrong. When you start comparing to 2011v2 systems, it's a damned good value. The only reason my server is running 2650s is because i could pick up 2 of them, a board and memory, plus heatsinks, for cheaper than a top end ryzen at the time I made it. My rebuild of that server will be a 2700x or a next gen Ryzen not just because it's a good value, but because it's really friggin powerful for the dollar.

1920X is like $300, that's the absolute best bang for the buck for parallelized workloads right now imo. It's like 4x more cost efficient than the xeons (twice the power for half the price).

The fact this guy is STILL talking about dual socket boards when he doesn't even know how many cores he needs indicates the total degree of cluelessness we're dealing with here.
 
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But again, $600 12 core, 24 thread 2920X @ 629. You need to go down or up $100 to get the next nearest current Xeon Scalable system. And yet the 2920 beats both of them hands down by a mile. As to someone willing to sell you a platinum, Newegg has some for sale on their site. Cancom in San Fran can get you one pretty easily. They set us up with one for a test system we used in our office and it was promptly replaced after testing. In a 3D rendering workload it could not keep up with a higher base clocked system. More cores were nice, sure, but a faster and lower core count was a better choice for the 3D systems in question. Those systems were replaced with consumer grade i7 extremes. Your workload would likely be similar. The only reason they didn't get something between a 2920x and 2990wx is that they weren't available at the time we needed them. They're on the next invoice for our next build out...



This is still a bang for the buck conversation when you're saying $600 is the top end for a processor here. That's the definition of bang for the buck and the 2920X is the best bang for the buck at the near $600 mark. If the buck wasn't the issue at hand, the 2990wx is the best processor for your use just the same, or the top end i9s though those would be wasteful in all truth.

mda mentioned the 2700x and he isn't entirely wrong. When you start comparing to 2011v2 systems, it's a damned good value. The only reason my server is running 2650s is because i could pick up 2 of them, a board and memory, plus heatsinks, for cheaper than a top end ryzen at the time I made it. My rebuild of that server will be a 2700x or a next gen Ryzen not just because it's a good value, but because it's really friggin powerful for the dollar.

If you're talking about dealing locally with Cancom in San Francisco you can forget it because I'm located in Ohio, but if you mean dealing with over the internet please provide a link as the cancon I found located below doesn't seem to indicate what products or services they sell or have a place on there site to purchase them and you didn't either, but here is what I found here:

https://us.cancom.com/startpage/
 
1920X is like $300, that's the absolute best bang for the buck for parallelized workloads right now imo. It's like 4x more cost efficient than the xeons (twice the power for half the price).

The fact this guy is STILL talking about dual socket boards when he doesn't even know how many cores he needs indicates the total degree of cluelessness we're dealing with here.


If you mean the AMD Ryzen Fartripper 1920X or actually just the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920X that I said to stop recommending especially considering after finally locking in to Ryzen better discovered were still using dual channel memory support just like the Phenom Processors before it and Intel Core i-Series 115x socket based processor instead of triple channel like intel Core i7 1366 socket and 1356 socket based motherboards or quad channel like intel Core i7, Intel 2011 based up to 2011v4, AMD Opteron, and Intel Xeon W as well as Xeon Scalable or eight channel memory based systems like the AMD Epyc based systems that are shown for AMD Ryzen based systems below you can forget that waste of chassis space. I know roughly how many cores I need, but exactly because I haven't had a system this powerful yet since my 4U server I downsized to 2U and never did get to put single DIN quadro K3000's or K4000's in or even benchmark yet:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=AMD+Ryzen+1920X&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH

PNY Quadro K2000's look like they'll help me upgrade from my Geforce 760 Double DINs with 4 GB of GDDR5 in my Full Tower Lian-Li A71-FB chassis workstation system with the Gigabyte 6PXSV4 single intel 2011v2 processor socket motherboard containing the Intel 2011v2 1650v2 six core along with 32 GB of Wintec ECC here:

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814133483

Then the PNY K4000 looks like it will do about the same plus if possible provide better graphics cards than the single K420 in the Lian-Li D8000 server cube chassis with the Gigabyte 7PEHS3 dual 2011v2 processor socket motherboard containing dual Xeon 2011v2 2603's and no memory yet, but will probably black diamond up to 32 GB for most afforable memory if not Wintec or something if up to 128 GB is possible in an affordable enough memory kit after getting the graphics card(s) shown below, but only up to two graphics cards are desired:

https://www.newegg.com/p/2VV-000K-000S2

If not this for both systems if the my budget allows it, but this off the topic of wanting to know what the best AMD motherboard and processor(s) I should get for my Lian-Li D8000 chassis though:

https://www.newegg.com/p/2VV-000K-000T1
 
If you mean the AMD Ryzen Fartripper 1920X or actually just the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920X that I said to stop recommending especially considering after finally locking in to Ryzen better discovered were still using dual channel memory support just like the Phenom Processors before it and Intel Core i-Series 115x socket based processor instead of triple channel like intel Core i7 1366 socket and 1356 socket based motherboards or quad channel like intel Core i7, Intel 2011 based up to 2011v4, AMD Opteron, and Intel Xeon W as well as Xeon Scalable or eight channel memory based systems like the AMD Epyc based systems that are shown for AMD Ryzen based systems below you can forget that waste of chassis space. I know roughly how many cores I need, but exactly because I haven't had a system this powerful yet since my 4U server I downsized to 2U and never did get to put single DIN quadro K3000's or K4000's in or even benchmark yet:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=AMD+Ryzen+1920X&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH

PNY Quadro K2000's look like they'll help me upgrade from my Geforce 760 Double DINs with 4 GB of GDDR5 in my Full Tower Lian-Li A71-FB chassis workstation system with the Gigabyte 6PXSV4 single intel 2011v2 processor socket motherboard containing the Intel 2011v2 1650v2 six core along with 32 GB of Wintec ECC here:

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814133483

Then the PNY K4000 looks like it will do about the same plus if possible provide better graphics cards than the single K420 in the Lian-Li D8000 server cube chassis with the Gigabyte 7PEHS3 dual 2011v2 processor socket motherboard containing dual Xeon 2011v2 2603's and no memory yet, but will probably black diamond up to 32 GB for most afforable memory if not Wintec or something if up to 128 GB is possible in an affordable enough memory kit after getting the graphics card(s) shown below, but only up to two graphics cards are desired:

https://www.newegg.com/p/2VV-000K-000S2

If not this for both systems if the my budget allows it, but this off the topic of wanting to know what the best AMD motherboard and processor(s) I should get for my Lian-Li D8000 chassis though:

https://www.newegg.com/p/2VV-000K-000T1

Still rambling. Virtually all of the above is irrelevant. You haven't looked into any of the modern and current data we've provided. Threadripper has quad-channel memory support. It's exactly the same architecture as Epyc with higher clock speeds. Epyc has more memory channels, yes but none of that will come into play with what you want to do.

Again, you keep going on about ten year old applications that aren't used in the industry. You won't look at the tools of the industry which hardly uses dual processor systems. You keep making excuses for this and that while looking at ancient Xeons with low core counts that would lose most tests against a Ryzen system with only two memory channels. All while scoffing at a variant of AMD's Epyc architecture that is designed for what you want to do supposedly. I think you have a dual CPU fetish, and you just can't seem to hear that they are rarely necessary and have fallen out of favor for what you want to do. For very good reasons we've tried to explain to you I might add.
 
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What you need is an AMD Threadripper 1950X or 2990WX setup.

My TR 1950X will destroy ALL the ancient systems you have mentioned so far in every way possible. LOL

In fact; a 2990WX setup could emulate those systems while simultaneously doing the same work load and still be faster than them. lol
 
Still rambling. Virtually all of the above is irrelevant. You haven't looked into any of the modern and current data we've provided. Threadripper has quad-channel memory support. It's exactly the same architecture as Epyc with higher clock speeds. Epyc has more memory channels, yes but none of that will come into play with what you want to do.

Again, you keep going on about ten year old applications that aren't used in the industry. You won't look at the tools of the industry which hardly uses dual processor systems. You keep making excuses for this and that while looking at ancient Xeons with low core counts that would lose most tests against a Ryzen system with only two memory channels. All while scoffing at a variant of AMD's Epyc architecture that is designed for what you want to do supposedly. I think you have a dual CPU fetish, and you just can't seem to hear that they are rarely necessary and have fallen out of favor for what you want to do. For very good reasons we've tried to explain to you I might add.

If and everyone else doesn't keep recommending AMD Fartripper I'm closing this thread and I'll never ask for help from an AMD based thread again because they are aparently flooded with AMD fan boys who can't answer my AMD related questions properly.
 
What you need is an AMD Threadripper 1950X or 2990WX setup.

My TR 1950X will destroy ALL the ancient systems you have mentioned so far in every way possible. LOL

In fact; a 2990WX setup could emulate those systems while simultaneously doing the same work load and still be faster than them. lol

Yea sure that's what AMD fan boys said about Bulldozer and it didn't.
 
Fan boy? Haha.

Bulldozer sucked.

Most of my rigs are Intel including 2011v3 setups. TR rips them apart.
 
As per the thread title, near every response to your question has been answered with either AMD Ryzen 2700x or a ThreadRipper variant. I think you probably should close your thread as you don't like answers given. Just my two cents.
 
Still rambling. Virtually all of the above is irrelevant. You haven't looked into any of the modern and current data we've provided. Threadripper has quad-channel memory support. It's exactly the same architecture as Epyc with higher clock speeds. Epyc has more memory channels, yes but none of that will come into play with what you want to do.

Again, you keep going on about ten year old applications that aren't used in the industry. You won't look at the tools of the industry which hardly uses dual processor systems. You keep making excuses for this and that while looking at ancient Xeons with low core counts that would lose most tests against a Ryzen system with only two memory channels. All while scoffing at a variant of AMD's Epyc architecture that is designed for what you want to do supposedly. I think you have a dual CPU fetish, and you just can't seem to hear that they are rarely necessary and have fallen out of favor for what you want to do. For very good reasons we've tried to explain to you I might add.


What do you mean Xeon with low core count when Ryzen shown here tops out at 8-cores:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007671 601295133

and Intel shown here tops out at 26 cores here:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100008494 601318604

or Xeon can top out at 56 cores here and can support up to 8 processor sockets:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/xeon/scalable/platinum-processors.html

Even Ryzen Fartripper here still only has up to 32 cores vs up to 56 compared to Xeon Scalable:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-threadripper

and yes of course Epyc, which is what I wanted to know if anybody had tried in the Lian-Li D8000 in the first place and all you AMD fan boys failed to answer that still only has up to 32 cores according to this that doen't prove much better than Xeon Scalables max of up to a higher 56 cores:

https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-06/AMD-EPYC-Data-Sheet.pdf
 
As per the thread title, near every response to your question has been answered with either AMD Ryzen 2700x or a ThreadRipper variant. I think you probably should close your thread as you don't like answers given. Just my two cents.

Yea see I knew you wouldn't stop with the stupid AMD Ryzen Threadripper recommendation for a server cube case that would waste potentional space for a dual processor motherboard instead of a single processor Ryzen Threadripper board. You must think this is funny.
 
It seems you have no idea what you need. You just think you know what you need which is actually what you want. So buy whatever.

This is 2019. You should probably catch up.
 
What do you mean Xeon with low core count when Ryzen shown here tops out at 8-cores:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007671 601295133

You keep mentioning Xeon's with 4 or 6 cores. Ryzen tops out at 8 cores but no one recommended Ryzen. We are recommending Threadripper. Threadripper tops out at 32 cores and 64 threads. That's more than any commercially available Xeon.


Wrong. The Xeon Platinum 8180 has 28 cores and 56 threads. You can't even take the time to understand what Intel's product line actually contains and learn what the specifications actually say.

or Xeon can top out at 56 cores here and can support up to 8 processor sockets:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/xeon/scalable/platinum-processors.html

Again, learn to read. The link you've posted shows the same Intel Xeon Platinum 8180 with 28 cores and 56 threads. Threads are a product of the Hyperthreading feature. They are virtual CPU's. It would be advantageous to learn the difference between logical and actual, physical cores.

Even Ryzen Fartripper here still only has up to 32 cores vs up to 56 compared to Xeon Scalable:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-threadripper

Again, learn to read specifications. That's 32 cores and 64 threads. More than ANY Xeon currently available.

and yes of course Epyc, which is what I wanted to know if anybody had tried in the Lian-Li D8000 in the first place and all you AMD fan boys failed to answer that still only has up to 32 cores according to this that doen't prove much better than Xeon Scalables max of up to a higher 56 cores:

https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-06/AMD-EPYC-Data-Sheet.pdf

Hell no. No one is using an Epyc dual processor motherboard in the Lian-Li chassis you mentioned. Epyc makes NO sense for workstation tasks over Threadripper. Epyc is for servers where core density makes more of a difference than clock speed. In the workstation environment you want a mix of core count and clock speeds. Epyc generally has 2.2GHz to 3.2GHz speeds vs. 3.0GHz to 4.2GHz. The only thing Epyc has on Threadripper in a workstation setting is memory channels and even then, that only matters for specific tasks. Tasks you won't be doing.

The links you posted confirm this. You can't even interpret or understand the information presented by the manufacturers a basic level. You are completely out of your depth. The Xeon you referenced costs nearly $17,000. Even if it did have 56 cores It's irrelevant.
 
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If and everyone else doesn't keep recommending AMD Fartripper I'm closing this thread and I'll never ask for help from an AMD based thread again because they are aparently flooded with AMD fan boys who can't answer my AMD related questions properly.

I've told you at least half a dozen times what boards will fit that case of yours. Any ATX, E-ATX or HPTX board will do. Seriously, you make everything more complicated than it needs to be.
 
If you're talking about dealing locally with Cancom in San Francisco you can forget it because I'm located in Ohio, but if you mean dealing with over the internet please provide a link as the cancon I found located below doesn't seem to indicate what products or services they sell or have a place on there site to purchase them and you didn't either, but here is what I found here:

https://us.cancom.com/startpage/

Email [email protected] if you really want to order from them. Don't waste their time if not. Feel free to discuss with HPE direct if you want to as well. They'll all sell it to you if you're really willing to pay for it.

If you mean the AMD Ryzen Fartripper 1920X or actually just the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920X that I said to stop recommending especially considering after finally locking in to Ryzen better discovered were still using dual channel memory support just like the Phenom Processors before it and Intel Core i-Series 115x socket based processor instead of triple channel like intel Core i7 1366 socket and 1356 socket based motherboards or quad channel like intel Core i7, Intel 2011 based up to 2011v4, AMD Opteron, and Intel Xeon W as well as Xeon Scalable or eight channel memory based systems like the AMD Epyc based systems that are shown for AMD Ryzen based systems below you can forget that waste of chassis space. I know roughly how many cores I need, but exactly because I haven't had a system this powerful yet since my 4U server I downsized to 2U and never did get to put single DIN quadro K3000's or K4000's in or even benchmark yet:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=AMD+Ryzen+1920X&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH

Why do you keep crapping on AMD and yet you're looking for an AMD solution? Fine, I get it, you don't want TR or Ryzen, but you're trying to overkill something that doesn't benefit as much from overkill compared to how much it hurts your wallet. If you know you'll be able to afford a $20-40k Xeon Scalable system, then buy it if that's what you think you need. But in truth, the benefit to the cost, short of you being sure you'll use all of that processing capability in a 24/7 manner, it just isn't worth it.

PNY Quadro K2000's look like they'll help me upgrade from my Geforce 760 Double DINs with 4 GB of GDDR5 in my Full Tower Lian-Li A71-FB chassis workstation system with the Gigabyte 6PXSV4 single intel 2011v2 processor socket motherboard containing the Intel 2011v2 1650v2 six core along with 32 GB of Wintec ECC here:

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814133483

Then the PNY K4000 looks like it will do about the same plus if possible provide better graphics cards than the single K420 in the Lian-Li D8000 server cube chassis with the Gigabyte 7PEHS3 dual 2011v2 processor socket motherboard containing dual Xeon 2011v2 2603's and no memory yet, but will probably black diamond up to 32 GB for most afforable memory if not Wintec or something if up to 128 GB is possible in an affordable enough memory kit after getting the graphics card(s) shown below, but only up to two graphics cards are desired:

https://www.newegg.com/p/2VV-000K-000S2

If not this for both systems if the my budget allows it, but this off the topic of wanting to know what the best AMD motherboard and processor(s) I should get for my Lian-Li D8000 chassis though:

https://www.newegg.com/p/2VV-000K-000T1

But it isn't entirely off topic. You're going to see the largest rendering gains with GPU rendering. You could use the 1650v2 system with K4000s and probably get a better result in rendering time than you would with a purely CPU render on a $10k Xeon or Epyc setup.

Really How could they when most of it's motherboards only have 4 DIMM Slots?
I see one TR4 motherboard with 4 DIMM slots listed on Newegg, and that's a Micro ATX board. The other 12 are 8 DIMM Slots. TR4 is quad channel.

If and everyone else doesn't keep recommending AMD Fartripper I'm closing this thread and I'll never ask for help from an AMD based thread again because they are aparently flooded with AMD fan boys who can't answer my AMD related questions properly.
You keep calling it fartripper as if insulting the name of the processor changes anything. Just because you don't like that everyone recommends it doesn't mean you should be a dick about it. But sure, close the thread. You still seem to think you know best, but your reference point is old hardware and old software. This isn't 10 years ago, this isn't Phenom, this isn't fanboy raving, this is just the truth. We've shown you actual benchmarks with ACTUAL 3D rendering use where TR beats the equivalent prices Xeons and i7s hands down. We've shown you that the value of a top end TR versus an Epyc just isn't a good value for what you're doing. We've also pointed out that your workload IS NOT server workload but IT IS a workstation workload. 10 years ago, yes, you saw the best performance from a multi processor system for what you want to do, but today that just is not the case.

Yea sure that's what AMD fan boys said about Bulldozer and it didn't.
No one here is saying that. I have a 955BE and a 1090T along with a FX 8150 and I don't mind admitting that they were not what was promised. I also don't mind admitting that they were a decent value for what they offerered, but you needed Intel to get better performance.

What do you mean Xeon with low core count when Ryzen shown here tops out at 8-cores:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007671 601295133

and Intel shown here tops out at 26 cores here:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100008494 601318604

or Xeon can top out at 56 cores here and can support up to 8 processor sockets:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/xeon/scalable/platinum-processors.html

Even Ryzen Fartripper here still only has up to 32 cores vs up to 56 compared to Xeon Scalable:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-threadripper

and yes of course Epyc, which is what I wanted to know if anybody had tried in the Lian-Li D8000 in the first place and all you AMD fan boys failed to answer that still only has up to 32 cores according to this that doen't prove much better than Xeon Scalables max of up to a higher 56 cores:

https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-06/AMD-EPYC-Data-Sheet.pdf

You compare this things without realizing that the 56 core Xeon is going to be at least $25k, probably closer to $35k. Just for the processor... And that processor is the size of my oldest daughters hand. It also is limited to 2 per board, not 4 or 8, and it's soldered to the board. It's a new socket and it's basically 2 28 core 8200 xeons put together similar to how you see Epyc, TR and Ryzen with their infinity fabric. You could build 2 dual Epyc 7601 systems for the cost of 1 processor, or 3 or 4 single processor 7601s for that.

You're also comparing Threadripper to Xeon Scalables... That's workstation to server. Or, what you need versus what you don't. Epyc has 32/64 out today and it expected to have a 64/128 out with the next release of processors. So if you want to go the way of "We at Intel have 56 cores," I'll raise you with "We at AMD have a 64 core coming out this year"
https://wccftech.com/amd-7nm-epyc-64-core-32-core-cpus-specs-benchmarks-leaked/

Adding to that all, the 4 socket boards for the 8200 series are pretty damned well all proprietary boards as far as I can tell, not eatx or any other standard form factor. This is not apples to apples for what you're looking for.

We get it, you don't actually want AMD. you want Intel. Fine... Buy Intel. But remember that you need higher clock speeds and high core count, not multi processor. Don't waste your money on what you don't need.

And yes, close the thread. Dan is right, this has run it's course. You don't want to listen to anyone telling you that this isn't 10 years ago and dual and quad processors are not needed for the workload you're describing. Instead you crap on AMD and crap on all of the information being offered to you.
 
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I'm going to go out and buy a PC-D8000 and build a system around a 2950X in it just to spite this guy. Might even run some 3D modeling software just to rub it in a little more.


You've committed, now it must be done in the next three weeks
 
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