Best recommended AMD Processor for Lian-Li D8000 server cube build

Keljian · May 1, 2019

Desktop hardware is more than capable of the tasks you’re talking about.

I am learning autoCAD inventor. This is professional CAD software. While my desktop is the configuration mentioned earlier, for a portable device I currently have a N3700 Pentium netbook with 8 gig of ram. The processor, graphics and ram on this device are nowhere near the level of my desktop.

Inventor still runs adequately on the netbook for my skill level at the moment.

By the time you learn to do all of the things you are talking about doing, there will be newer hardware out.

Buy a decent desktop now, save some money, get some skills, THEN upgrade when you need more.

Azrak · May 1, 2019

Fascinating discussion. Kudos to Dan for keeping up.

OP appears to be a person with a mode of thinking that he cannot control or turn off. Everything comes to him in a stream of thought with no ability to know if it is relevant or not to the current discussion so it gets written out. The apparent strong need to show knowledge (even wrongly-remembered) outweighs the need to be succinct or stay on topic.
I'm going to bet that the lack of focus is part of why he does not have the time to learn the software he wants to learn. It's like Super-ADHD syndrome. Sorry, scharfshutze009 I'm not trying to put you down or anything like that. It's gotta be tough for you and I commend you for getting the degrees/certs.

Back on topic:
The knowledge the OP has is flawed in many cases, as Dan as shown multiple times. This flawed knowledge and understanding has resulted in a strong focus on super-high-end server class hardware due to the (incorrect) notion that "gaming/HEDT" hardware is somehow beneath the tasks that the OP will run on said hardware.

The strong desire for a "non gaming" platform doesn't make sense for a non-business application such as this, especially when the OP mentions cost being an issue.
High-end "gaming" or HEDT motherboards from the big players (Asus, MSI, Gigabyte) can handle all of the loads that Bryce or <insert 3D program here> could dish out and then some, for a fraction of the cost of what hardware the OP is looking at and trying to fit into that ridiculous case.

In looking up Bryce 3D, it's a $20 program - not exactly "high-end" commercial that I thought it might be. It's freaking 32bit and from 2010! And True Space 3D is no longer in production since 2009 with minor updates in 2010. I don't get it. The OP is living in the past with past desires continuing to fuel current wants.

IMO, buy a 2700X and an X470 MB and be done with it. The software probably won't even take advantage of the cores due to the age of it anyway, but at least modern software would if OP ever decides to move to the present. Sorry man, it's just the way it is from my perspective reading this thread.

Dan_D · May 1, 2019

I've got an IT background. I love server hardware. Many of my personal machines have been dual CPU machines even though they didn't need to be. I understand the desire, it doesn't always make sense. I play games more than I do other tasks on my gaming rig. HEDT is a good way to go. I want a Xeon W-3175x, but it doesn't make sense for me to buy one.

I think the OP didn't understand the current market, and isn't being honest about his needs. Or, his understanding of what he needs is outdated, misinformed, or both.

McClintoc · May 1, 2019

If I have trouble falling asleep tonight, I'll come back and read this thread.

Dan_D · May 2, 2019

One additional thought I had for the OP is this: If the goal is game design, he needs to concentrate on learning the software the game industry uses. Ancient software like TrueSpace3D is a waste of time. Not only is it going to be limited in capabilities, but what you learn won't translate to useful software like 3D Studio Max and others.

scharfshutze009 · May 3, 2019

Dan_D said:
You do not need spell check or Microsoft Word to avoid writing run on sentences or use punctuation at a basic level. Doing so would make your posts infinitely easier to understand.

There is not a hardware availability problem. You not knowing how to use it properly certainly seems to be a problem. You are trying to build a system to do a task which you do not fully understand.

This is where you demonstrate that you have a poor understanding of how this technology works, and about hardware in general. Epyc and Threadripper processors are functionally the same. The differences between them are for market segmentation purposes. They both support the same instructions. They both process data the same way. The difference is that an Epyc CPU has eight channels for memory bandwidth and supports 128 PCIe lanes. However, the Threadripper 2990WX (where "W" stands for "workstation"), has higher clock speeds which have a direct impact on application performance. For workstation and server oriented tasks, there are situations where memory bandwidth is more important than clock speed.

If you were talking about setting up an SQL server, then memory bandwidth would be more important than raw clock speed. But again, you described a more workstation oriented usage scenario in which an argument can be made for higher clocked cores rather than cores that run significantly slower. You can only use so much memory bandwidth as it doesn't benefit all applications. No one is saying anything about overclocking either. So I don't know where you are getting that from. Also, a gaming desktop wouldn't catch fire running server or workstation oriented tasks. In fact, many gaming machines and HEDT systems will have far better and quieter cooling than is typically found in pre-built workstations or servers. Wiring as you put it can only be done one way. Its either going to be done in a way that works or it doesn't. Most of the connections inside a computer are keyed so they can only fit one way into a given port or slot. What you are talking about doesn't make sense and is simply not true.

Yes, there is plenty you can do about it. You could use commas and punctuation correctly, like the bulk of people responding to you. I have posts on this forum which are far longer than any of yours and I don't have this problem. I'm not an English major and I never even went to college. You do not need to be an English major or graduate student to use English in a way that allows you to communicate thoughts and ideas using the English language in its written form. I make plenty of mistakes because I'm not an English major or anything. However, for the most part the mistakes are a minor issue. If your posts were written with some effort to use the language correctly, no one would have said anything about it.

You have just made an assertion that someone with a strong grasp of the English language, or someone who is an English major or graduate student couldn't possibly know anything about computers or assembling their own systems. This is an incorrect assertion and you have zero evidence to back up this ridiculous claim. Being competently versed in a language doesn't preclude having any specific level of expertise on an unrelated subject matter.

This is incoherent rambling, so I won't address it.

Anytime you write a post that's more than a paragraph or two, its referred to as a wall of text. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, so long as it is relevant or necessary regarding what's being discussed. The problem is that you do not use punctuation and you tend to include things which are not relevant to the questions you've asked or the discussion at hand. This makes the post difficult to read and its unnecessarily long.

Whether or not Intel has a better website is irrelevant. The information you would need concerning Threadripper and Epyc is available via a simple Google search.

Your understanding here is flawed. You are comparing apples and toast. They aren't remotely related. You also don't need Intel's scalable architecture for what you've defined as clearly workstation oriented tasks. You are comparing Epyc workstation hardware to scalable servers using Xeons. You should be comparing Xeon workstation motherboards to Epyc workstation motherboards.

This is precisely what I was referring to above when I mentioned your inclusion of irrelevant information. None of the above is relevant to your questions, nor does it have anything to do with building a workstation for 3D modeling and rendering. To make matters worse, from what I can make out of the above mess, it isn't even correct. I would address the information, but it isn't necessary.

Again, none of this is relevant. Even where you are correct on some level, your understanding of the information has you interpreting it the wrong way. Intel and AMD's platforms had diverged to a point where they weren't directly comparable by that time. Looking at the bus speed and motherboard specifications of each platform didn't tell the whole story. The PR or performance rating system was AMD's marketing department's way of explaining to the general public that its Athlon, Athlon XP, etc. had better IPC than Intel's. Intel's CPUs were the recognized standard for performance and people understood that a Pentium at 200MHz was faster than a processor which was otherwise the same, but clocked at a slower speed or vice versa.

The problem is that there were systems sitting on retail shelves with Intel and AMD processors in them. The AMD processors were unable to hit the same clock speeds as their Intel counterparts. AMD's marketing needed a way to address the fact that they would have a 2.2GHz processor based system sitting next to an Intel at 3.06GHz. The general public knew nothing about IPC and only went by clock speed. Sometimes, AMD over-estimated its PR ratings in some cases, so this wasn't always a good method either, but it was better than nothing. What the hell does this have to do with anything regarding building a modern workstation for 3D modeling, animation and rendering?

The PR system isn't relevant to the discussion. On the topic of memory support and 64bit computing, you are wrong once again. When the Athlon 64 was released, there were motherboards supporting up to 8GB of DDR RAM. However, total memory support wasn't really the reason why we needed 64bit computing. Through PAE (Physical Address Extensions) we could work around the 4GB limit. However, 32bit operating systems like Windows XP didn't just limit the OS to 4GB of RAM. It was also limited to 2GB for applications and 2GB for itself. The user couldn't run any software that used more than 2GB of RAM. You could force the OS to use 3GB via PAE, but you couldn't use more than that. This was further complicated by the fact that option ROMs had to be mapped within the 4GB boundary as well. This limited how much memory was actually available to the OS and the user. This is why 32bit OSes would often show only 3.5GB of available memory even in cases where 4GB was physical installed.

For the record, I was running a Tyan K8WE S2895 and dual Opteron 256's at the time. That motherboard supported up to 16GB of RAM. I ran 8GB of RAM with Windows 2003 x64 Edition, and later Windows XP x64 Edition.

Wrong. For starters, AMD supported PAE as well. On any consumer or server hardware, you had to use PAE to use more than 4GB of RAM with any 32bit OS. This is because PAE is technically 36bit, not 32bit. This isn't an AMD vs. Intel thing. The reason why you seem to think Intel did this better is because you probably saw (by your own admission) Windows 8.1 systems running Intel CPU's. Microsoft altered Windows 8.1 and later 32bit OSes to show 4GB of RAM installed even if only 3.5GB is actually available. They did this because the general public didn't understand how 32bit OS limitations worked. People would take their computers in for service or replace RAM thinking it had gone bad when they saw less than 4GB of RAM available to the OS.

Again, you aren't looking at the right hardware because you don't understand the tasks you are trying to accomplish. Again, the chassis your talking about supports standard form factors. The reason you can't seem to find motherboards that work, is due to looking at Scalable Xeon hardware, which isn't what you should be looking at. Its also not what you should be comparing Threadripper or Epyc to. You need to match up the hardware with the tasks it will be performing. You don't buy an NVIDIA RTX 2080Ti to play Farmville on Facebook anymore than you would buy Scalable Xeon hardware and run Windows 10 Home. You are talking about 3D modeling and rendering. This is a workstation tasks. You should be looking at something like an HEDT based system or a dual processor motherboard for either Epyc or Xeon, that has two CPU sockets and uses the E-ATX form factor. The reason why Threadripper and HEDT motherboards keep getting mentioned, is because they are designed for the tasks you want to perform, which you know little about.

If you want to go into massive debt to buy dual processor workstation hardware, or scalable Xeon shit you don't need, be my guest. But it won't make you into a computer animator and it won't work better for the tasks you've described to us.

Fine let me explain my situation better to you then, since you apparently don't completely understand yet and I apparently haven't explained it well enough. I already have a single processor workstation using a Xeon 2011v2 1650v2 processor and it is working fine still, but it doesn't have anymore hard drive space left and it's setup to dual boot both Windows 10 Pro and Ubuntu Desktop 14.3 LTS with an upgrade to 16.4 LTS. Also, my learning Linux has not made the process of Learning computer animation and 3D modeling easier either at all, which I'm trying to say at least 3D modeling was easier in Bryce 3D and True Space 3 because alot of the shapes were already made ready to manipulate as well as resize compared to what I immediately noticed in blender considering Linus Sabastion's Linus Media Group uses it and he seems to have a very successful media group or company with way better equipment than what I'm working alone with trying to find people to help me get either an I.T. Solutions company now and maybe still a game development or media group too. After all I did say I already have two youtube channels that I put all the videos together for and compile myself except for only a few videos that I state that I uploaded to my channel when I first started my channel that I couldn't find on youtube anymore.

All I'm also trying to say is that I want some kind of main server/workstation too that can handle any load practically too with at least dual cpu's now considering quad processor is out of the question as well as extremely rare or proprietary or the SWTX form factor that is not compatible with the Lian-Li D8000 or anything else like it that might still be available out there even from Lian-Li themselves considering the Lian-Li D600 their latest attempt at providing a solution to others that may not have liked what Lian-Li made the D8000 for people like me want to do with the D8000 anyway. I'm trying to say that I bought the Lian-Li D8000 because the Supermicro SC850P4 wasn't even 64-bit too and without the memory riser card I couldn't use it either anyway, which considering how rare the Supermicro SC850P4 seemed I decided the best thing to do was to donate it to a State College of Technology to help the new generation of people learn how to produce newer and better pedestial server cube like it in order to help provide something better in that range of server/workstation products for things that people like me would want them for and what I wanted something like that for all along.

I just need to find people who understand how much work has to go into working with code as well as graphics and hardware who understand that nobody can sit at a computer all day without taking a break to do some kind of physical activity such as body exercise at least instead of spend hours playing golf if their not going to play it professionally instead considering playing golf just for leisure isn't cheap if they can't afford to do what I'm trying to do, but they beg me to help them buy parts for their computer just to play computer games and they seem smarter about something regarding math than I do, which would be really help to have around when I need help with programming or coding or when I can finally complete a system I deem worthy of the task I want this system for. After there isn't much better out there than Xeon 2011v2 or Opteron than AMD Epyc or Xeon Scalable anyway. I only mentioned Itanium because it should be better than Xeon and I think if not you or the other responders to this post that Intel would have finally made it better than Xeon by now as well as made it suitable for any mainframes that might still be in use out their that might still need something like that if not game developer prospects looking to finally start developing once they find something worthy like in my case, even if there has definitly been exceptable development hardware prior to around now.

I've gone to great length to by at least minoring in computer programming and trying to at least see what it's like to wright just the kernel for an operating system from the ground up with barrowed code as well as by putting it on a clean hard drive with nothing, but empty Linux partitions and trying to run the barrow kernel code with qemu and I'm still a long way off from having any chance of successfully developing my own operating system if I continue to pursue that goal considering I did finally buy and get my book on how to develop a Linux Kernel called the Art of Linux Kernel development, which is the closest I'm probably going to get to at least making a working Linux based kernel if not anything better later if ever and I know most of what I replied with might be off topic too if not have poor grammer or spelling again.

One last thing if I didn't explain it well enough about my Xeon 2011v2 1650v2 system with the dual boot of Window 10 Pro and Ubuntu is that everytime I try to get boot to Windows 10 I either can't log in or it automatically reboots the computer, which before I could use the repair option from the Windows 10 installation flash drive except I had to do that everytime I rebooted to switch to Ubuntu and it's a pain considering how helpful Linux command line utilities can be.

Keljian · May 3, 2019

Tell us your use case. What is it you want to do, and what is it that you can't do with your existing system?

If you need a new hard drive, go buy one.

Keljian · May 3, 2019

One thing I should also mention, most game developers do the logical thing and build/code on the same machine that they are targeting with their game. That means, not a Threadripper or HEDT system, cause they are non mainstream.

That means a “gaming” system. I refer to my earlier comment on what I am running, which is considered high end for the desktop platform, as opposed to workstation. It certainly is no slouch.

Dan_D · May 3, 2019

scharfshutze009 said:
Fine let me explain my situation better to you then, since you apparently don't completely understand yet and I apparently haven't explained it well enough.

I think you have. I'm thinking its a comprehension issue on your part. I am not trying to be mean, but I understand perfectly. You have an idea of what you think you need. You have an idea of what you want. You thought you'd come in here and get a recommendation for a motherboard for your case that would give you what you wanted. You didn't expect us to tell you not to buy server hardware for workstation tasks, or to tell you that you are mixed up and have no idea what your doing, nor what you should buy in general. You are working on out dated information and preconceived notions from the late 1990's and early 2000's when the HEDT market didn't exist and you needed dual processor systems for the types of tasks you imagine yourself doing.

scharfshutze009 said:
I already have a single processor workstation using a Xeon 2011v2 1650v2 processor and it is working fine still, but it doesn't have anymore hard drive space left

Did I just read this right? You can upgrade your hard drive or possibly add another one. I've used some thinly veiled excuses to buy hardware beyond my needs but this is like your truck needing new tires and you buying a whole new truck instead of tires.

scharfshutze009 said:
and it's setup to dual boot both Windows 10 Pro and Ubuntu Desktop 14.3 LTS with an upgrade to 16.4 LTS.

Irrelevant. You've done something wrong with your boot configuration. Buying server hardware for workstation tasks, or ultra-high end workstation hardware isn't going to fix this.

scharfshutze009 said:
Also, my learning Linux has not made the process of Learning computer animation and 3D modeling easier either at all,

You can do these things in Windows. Why the fuck would you try and learn a new OS on top of learning different software? BTW, everything you need for game development can be done with a Windows workstation. Frankly, that's probably what you should be using. That's what everyone I've ever known in the industry does. I have built hundreds of such machines back in the day and that's what they were always used with.

scharfshutze009 said:
which I'm trying to say at least 3D modeling was easier in Bryce 3D and True Space 3 because alot of the shapes were already made ready to manipulate as well as resize compared to what I immediately noticed in blender

No. You do not use out dated and ancient software because it has better default shape templates. BTW, I know for a fact that basic shapes can be made in seconds using 3D Studio Max. This was true even 10 years ago when I supported the application at an art College. Gaming companies use a combination of their own in-house tools and specific software that's widely used in the industry for game development. Things like Photoshop, 3D Studio Max, Lightwave, and Maya. They do not use Bryce 3D or True Space3. I'm sensing a consistent theme of "I know best", but with no practical industry experience you have no idea what's best. By your own admission you are still learning the software and still learning how to do everything.

It isn't that you haven't explained your needs. Its that you don't know what you need.

scharfshutze009 said:
considering Linus Sabastion's Linus Media Group uses it and he seems to have a very successful media group or company with way better equipment than what I'm working alone with trying to find people to help me get either an I.T. Solutions company now and maybe still a game development or media group too. After all I did say I already have two youtube channels that I put all the videos together for and compile myself except for only a few videos that I state that I uploaded to my channel when I first started my channel that I couldn't find on youtube anymore.

This has literally nothing to do with anything. The only takeaway from this is that you don't know what you want to do with your life.

scharfshutze009 said:
All I'm also trying to say is that I want some kind of main server/workstation too that can handle any load practically too with at least dual cpu's now considering quad processor is out of the question as well as extremely rare or proprietary or the SWTX form factor that is not compatible with the Lian-Li D8000

Yes, you want that, but you do not NEED it. This isn't the 1990's. You don't need dual processor workstations for what you are wanting to do. You would honestly be better served by an Intel 28c/56t i9 or an AMD Threadripper 32c/64t CPU. These things didn't exist a year ago. They are game changers. They eliminate the need for dual processor workstations for most people. There are still some use cases for them, but not from where you are at. You are starting out and investing in this kind of hardware which you A.) Can't afford. B.) Don't know how to use and C.) Don't know if you want a career in IT or computer animation.

Since you will probably buy one anyway, head to Supermicro's website. Stop looking at scalable Xeon shit for blade chassis and look for something in the E-ATX form factor that supports dual processors for either Epyc or Threadripper. Buy that, spend more money than you need to and move on with your life. Case compatibility is irrelevant if you choose a form factor motherboard that the case supports. If it doesn't fit, you ordered the wrong thing, were shipped the wrong thing or shouldn't be building computers at all ever.

scharfshutze009 said:
or anything else like it that might still be available out there even from Lian-Li themselves considering the Lian-Li D600 their latest attempt at providing a solution to others that may not have liked what Lian-Li made the D8000 for people like me want to do with the D8000 anyway. I'm trying to say that I bought the Lian-Li D8000 because the Supermicro SC850P4 wasn't even 64-bit too and without the memory riser card I couldn't use it either anyway, which considering how rare the Supermicro SC850P4 seemed I decided the best thing to do was to donate it to a State College of Technology to help the new generation of people learn how to produce newer and better pedestial server cube like it in order to help provide something better in that range of server/workstation products for things that people like me would want them for and what I wanted something like that for all along.

This is incoherent rambling. This has nothing to do with anything, and really doesn't make much sense.

scharfshutze009 said:
I just need to find people who understand how much work has to go into working with code as well as graphics and hardware who understand that nobody can sit at a computer all day without taking a break to do some kind of physical activity such as body exercise at least instead of spend hours playing golf if their not going to play it professionally instead considering playing golf just for leisure isn't cheap if they can't afford to do what I'm trying to do,

What the fuck does exercise have to do with a thread where you ask for a motherboard and CPU recommendation? What makes you think we don't understand coding, computer animation, and graphics rendering? We have doctors, lawyers, game developers, computer animators, system builders and engineers on this forum. The people telling you that you do not need a dual processor workstation aren't telling you this because they can't afford it, they are telling you this because they understand you do not need these things.

scharfshutze009 said:
but they beg me to help them buy parts for their computer just to play computer games and they seem smarter about something regarding math than I do,

I feel sorry for anyone asking you this. Again, I am not trying to be mean but you have huge gaps in your understanding of the subject matter.

scharfshutze009 said:
which would be really help to have around when I need help with programming or coding or when I can finally complete a system I deem worthy of the task I want this system for. After there isn't much better out there than Xeon 2011v2 or Opteron than AMD Epyc or Xeon Scalable anyway.

It has nothing to do with what's worthy. You aren't on a quest to find something where you will be judged on your worth. A computer works for a task or it doesn't. You need something that is well suited to the task yes, but you no longer need a dual processor workstation for most applications. Certainly not at your level of skill. Which is near zero from what I can tell. And again, stop with the 2011 v2 Xeons or Opterons. They are irrelevant unless you are buying old hardware. AMD Epyc isn't comparable to scalable Xeons here. And you don't need scalable Xeons. That's SERVER hardware. Not workstation hardware. Learn the difference.

scharfshutze009 said:
I only mentioned Itanium because it should be better than Xeon and I think if not you or the other responders to this post that Intel would have finally made it better than Xeon by now as well as made it suitable for any mainframes that might still be in use out their that might still need something like that if not game developer prospects looking to finally start developing once they find something worthy like in my case, even if there has definitly been exceptable development hardware prior to around now.

OK, here is the problem. You have a flawed basic understanding of what should be. You don't fully understand the kind of hardware we are talking about here, nor the tasks they are used for. You have lofty ideas about what you want to do with your life and little idea how to achieve these things. You need proper education and training. Period. And again, you are mixing up server and workstation hardware. They are DIFFERENT. What's in a mainframe isn't used for computer animation. I don't know what to say about the last part of the above as it isn't intelligible.

scharfshutze009 said:
I've gone to great length to by at least minoring in computer programming and trying to at least see what it's like to wright just the kernel for an operating system from the ground up with barrowed code as well as by putting it on a clean hard drive with nothing, but empty Linux partitions and trying to run the barrow kernel code with qemu and I'm still a long way off from having any chance of successfully developing my own operating system if I continue to pursue that goal considering I did finally buy and get my book on how to develop a Linux Kernel called the Art of Linux Kernel development, which is the closest I'm probably going to get to at least making a working Linux based kernel if not anything better later if ever and I know most of what I replied with might be off topic too if not have poor grammer or spelling again.

Again, you have lofty goals with no idea how to achieve them. You don't understand the skills required, nor the time involved to get to that level. You aren't ever going to make your own operating system. It takes massive teams to make a modern OS. Even making your own Linux Kernel is well beyond your level of skill. You need to pick something. What I've read here in this thread is about 3D modeling, game engine coding and now OS development or a career in IT? Seriously? PICK SOMETHING and stick with it. You need focus and a clear sense of priorities which I'm not seeing here.

And yes, you keep going way off topic and your posts are hard to read due to spelling, punctuation and grammatical errors.

scharfshutze009 said:
One last thing if I didn't explain it well enough about my Xeon 2011v2 1650v2 system with the dual boot of Window 10 Pro and Ubuntu is that everytime I try to get boot to Windows 10 I either can't log in or it automatically reboots the computer, which before I could use the repair option from the Windows 10 installation flash drive except I had to do that everytime I rebooted to switch to Ubuntu and it's a pain considering how helpful Linux command line utilities can be.

I'll leave this to someone who has used a dual boot setup with Ubuntu. I have never done that. The above in no way justifies a new system. Sure, you can benefit from a new one if you focus on something, but I am positive you are going to spend way more money than you need to. You probably won't get the best performing system either, because you don't know how to select the proper hardware as you have demonstrated on numerous occasions here.

mda · May 4, 2019

Have tried dual booting Windows 10 and Ubuntu.

You will first need to install Windows (non UEFI, haven't tried with UEFI), and then install Ubuntu on what space is left unformatted.

What this does is booting will default to the Ubuntu bootloader/GRUB .

You can boot into Windows via Ubuntu GRUB, but this is a little buggy. We then use EasyBCD from inside windows to edit the boot configuration to setup a custom menu wherein you can pick between the Ubuntu GRUB and the stock Windows loader.

BinarySynapse · May 4, 2019

Another scharfshutze shitshow thread where he tries incessantly to convince everyone he knows everything about anything, and everyone else bangs their head on the wall trying to reason with him only to be told we're all just a bunch of know-nothing mouth-breathing gamer nerds trying to pull one over on him.

scharfshutze009 · May 15, 2019

Dan_D said:
I think you have. I'm thinking its a comprehension issue on your part. I am not trying to be mean, but I understand perfectly. You have an idea of what you think you need. You have an idea of what you want. You thought you'd come in here and get a recommendation for a motherboard for your case that would give you what you wanted. You didn't expect us to tell you not to buy server hardware for workstation tasks, or to tell you that you are mixed up and have no idea what your doing, nor what you should buy in general. You are working on out dated information and preconceived notions from the late 1990's and early 2000's when the HEDT market didn't exist and you needed dual processor systems for the types of tasks you imagine yourself doing.

Did I just read this right? You can upgrade your hard drive or possibly add another one. I've used some thinly veiled excuses to buy hardware beyond my needs but this is like your truck needing new tires and you buying a whole new truck instead of tires.

Irrelevant. You've done something wrong with your boot configuration. Buying server hardware for workstation tasks, or ultra-high end workstation hardware isn't going to fix this.

You can do these things in Windows. Why the fuck would you try and learn a new OS on top of learning different software? BTW, everything you need for game development can be done with a Windows workstation. Frankly, that's probably what you should be using. That's what everyone I've ever known in the industry does. I have built hundreds of such machines back in the day and that's what they were always used with.

No. You do not use out dated and ancient software because it has better default shape templates. BTW, I know for a fact that basic shapes can be made in seconds using 3D Studio Max. This was true even 10 years ago when I supported the application at an art College. Gaming companies use a combination of their own in-house tools and specific software that's widely used in the industry for game development. Things like Photoshop, 3D Studio Max, Lightwave, and Maya. They do not use Bryce 3D or True Space3. I'm sensing a consistent theme of "I know best", but with no practical industry experience you have no idea what's best. By your own admission you are still learning the software and still learning how to do everything.

It isn't that you haven't explained your needs. Its that you don't know what you need.

This has literally nothing to do with anything. The only takeaway from this is that you don't know what you want to do with your life.

Yes, you want that, but you do not NEED it. This isn't the 1990's. You don't need dual processor workstations for what you are wanting to do. You would honestly be better served by an Intel 28c/56t i9 or an AMD Threadripper 32c/64t CPU. These things didn't exist a year ago. They are game changers. They eliminate the need for dual processor workstations for most people. There are still some use cases for them, but not from where you are at. You are starting out and investing in this kind of hardware which you A.) Can't afford. B.) Don't know how to use and C.) Don't know if you want a career in IT or computer animation.

Since you will probably buy one anyway, head to Supermicro's website. Stop looking at scalable Xeon shit for blade chassis and look for something in the E-ATX form factor that supports dual processors for either Epyc or Threadripper. Buy that, spend more money than you need to and move on with your life. Case compatibility is irrelevant if you choose a form factor motherboard that the case supports. If it doesn't fit, you ordered the wrong thing, were shipped the wrong thing or shouldn't be building computers at all ever.

This is incoherent rambling. This has nothing to do with anything, and really doesn't make much sense.

What the fuck does exercise have to do with a thread where you ask for a motherboard and CPU recommendation? What makes you think we don't understand coding, computer animation, and graphics rendering? We have doctors, lawyers, game developers, computer animators, system builders and engineers on this forum. The people telling you that you do not need a dual processor workstation aren't telling you this because they can't afford it, they are telling you this because they understand you do not need these things.

I feel sorry for anyone asking you this. Again, I am not trying to be mean but you have huge gaps in your understanding of the subject matter.

It has nothing to do with what's worthy. You aren't on a quest to find something where you will be judged on your worth. A computer works for a task or it doesn't. You need something that is well suited to the task yes, but you no longer need a dual processor workstation for most applications. Certainly not at your level of skill. Which is near zero from what I can tell. And again, stop with the 2011 v2 Xeons or Opterons. They are irrelevant unless you are buying old hardware. AMD Epyc isn't comparable to scalable Xeons here. And you don't need scalable Xeons. That's SERVER hardware. Not workstation hardware. Learn the difference.

OK, here is the problem. You have a flawed basic understanding of what should be. You don't fully understand the kind of hardware we are talking about here, nor the tasks they are used for. You have lofty ideas about what you want to do with your life and little idea how to achieve these things. You need proper education and training. Period. And again, you are mixing up server and workstation hardware. They are DIFFERENT. What's in a mainframe isn't used for computer animation. I don't know what to say about the last part of the above as it isn't intelligible.

Again, you have lofty goals with no idea how to achieve them. You don't understand the skills required, nor the time involved to get to that level. You aren't ever going to make your own operating system. It takes massive teams to make a modern OS. Even making your own Linux Kernel is well beyond your level of skill. You need to pick something. What I've read here in this thread is about 3D modeling, game engine coding and now OS development or a career in IT? Seriously? PICK SOMETHING and stick with it. You need focus and a clear sense of priorities which I'm not seeing here.

And yes, you keep going way off topic and your posts are hard to read due to spelling, punctuation and grammatical errors.

I'll leave this to someone who has used a dual boot setup with Ubuntu. I have never done that. The above in no way justifies a new system. Sure, you can benefit from a new one if you focus on something, but I am positive you are going to spend way more money than you need to. You probably won't get the best performing system either, because you don't know how to select the proper hardware as you have demonstrated on numerous occasions here.

That's not the problem. The problem is that either you or someone else keeps recommending the AMD Fartripper processor or Fartripper system instead of dual processor system, so you know what I took my Gigabyte 7PESH3 from my server I think I messed up some how by using two 900 watt ups's that were Cyberpower brand considering they had 10 outlets per ups for two 1U UPS's and that's what I needed for just one 2U UPS, but the closest I could get was a Minuteman E2000RTXL2U that was 1760 Watt that also required a 20 amp plug instead of a standard 15 amp plug like the Cyberpower PR1500RTXL2U that had 8 total surge as well as battery plugs. As far as the Minuteman E2000RTXL2U fedex gave me nothing, but trouble with returning it because I couldn't get an RMA in time before I drove it to the fedex freight location in the same city my apartment is in considering I got the RMA after I while I was at the Fedex freight location and newegg only offered to pay $15 for the return shipping, but fedex want $408 and the the box for the item hadn't even been opened due to this is caused me to miss my car payment because they declined every other payment option I had except check considering my debit card had been lost or stolen for about 3 to 4 months. Also, I'm using my Intel Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's that are 1.8 GHz that I was using in the Gigabyte 7PESH3 before I RMA'd it with a money order for $40 to Gigabyte, but it took months to get back because Gigabyte wanted more money than they original stated I would need to pay to get the board fixed or replaced considering no merchant sells the board anymore an it's not a bad motherboard either considering it has 7 PCIE x16 slots and supports upto 256GB or DDR3. I tested the Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's in my latest Xeon 2011v2 board the Supermicro X9DAI for my server too. I also put WIndows 2016 back on my server too. My point it though that I want to know if anyone has tried an AMD Epyc board in the Lian-Li D8000 instead of an AMD Fartripper, so stop recommending AMD Fartripper because all it probably does is shot out nasty turds and I'm just kidding of course I'm just tired of seeing recommendations for something that, even if it is actually workstation it probably is only single processor and compared to AMD Epyc boards and processor I don't think I'll like it considering the one Supermicro board I saw can support up to 2TB regardless if I would actually need that considering the Gigabyte 7PESH3 I just put in the Lian-Li D8000 only supports up to 256 GB of DDR3 that was in my server previously and the Supermicro X9DAi in my server can support up to 1TB of DDR3 memory. Also, I already tried Supermicro's X10DAi a 2011v3 board that also supports 2011v4 processors, but I couldn't get it to line up with the spacers except I was in a hurry and maybe I needed to slow down. Other than that the only thing better might be Supermicro's x11DAi a Xeon Scalable socket 3647 board that can support up to 4 TB of DDR4 regardless if would actually need that either.

pendragon1 · May 15, 2019

what the fuck are you even talking about anymore?!

Keljian · May 15, 2019

I agree - WTF?

You can buy Fartripper here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/p/fart-ripper/9p4d4b1jxwjq

bobzdar · May 15, 2019

scharfshutze009 said:
That's not the problem. The problem is that either you or someone else keeps recommending the AMD Fartripper processor or Fartripper system instead of dual processor system, so you know what I took my Gigabyte 7PESH3 from my server I think I messed up some how by using two 900 watt ups's that were Cyberpower brand considering they had 10 outlets per ups for two 1U UPS's and that's what I needed for just one 2U UPS, but the closest I could get was a Minuteman E2000RTXL2U that was 1760 Watt that also required a 20 amp plug instead of a standard 15 amp plug like the Cyberpower PR1500RTXL2U that had 8 total surge as well as battery plugs. As far as the Minuteman E2000RTXL2U fedex gave me nothing, but trouble with returning it because I couldn't get an RMA in time before I drove it to the fedex freight location in the same city my apartment is in considering I got the RMA after I while I was at the Fedex freight location and newegg only offered to pay $15 for the return shipping, but fedex want $408 and the the box for the item hadn't even been opened due to this is caused me to miss my car payment because they declined every other payment option I had except check considering my debit card had been lost or stolen for about 3 to 4 months. Also, I'm using my Intel Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's that are 1.8 GHz that I was using in the Gigabyte 7PESH3 before I RMA'd it with a money order for $40 to Gigabyte, but it took months to get back because Gigabyte wanted more money than they original stated I would need to pay to get the board fixed or replaced considering no merchant sells the board anymore an it's not a bad motherboard either considering it has 7 PCIE x16 slots and supports upto 256GB or DDR3. I tested the Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's in my latest Xeon 2011v2 board the Supermicro X9DAI for my server too. I also put WIndows 2016 back on my server too. My point it though that I want to know if anyone has tried an AMD Epyc board in the Lian-Li D8000 instead of an AMD Fartripper, so stop recommending AMD Fartripper because all it probably does is shot out nasty turds and I'm just kidding of course I'm just tired of seeing recommendations for something that, even if it is actually workstation it probably is only single processor and compared to AMD Epyc boards and processor I don't think I'll like it considering the one Supermicro board I saw can support up to 2TB regardless if I would actually need that considering the Gigabyte 7PESH3 I just put in the Lian-Li D8000 only supports up to 256 GB of DDR3 that was in my server previously and the Supermicro X9DAi in my server can support up to 1TB of DDR3 memory. Also, I already tried Supermicro's X10DAi a 2011v3 board that also supports 2011v4 processors, but I couldn't get it to line up with the spacers except I was in a hurry and maybe I needed to slow down. Other than that the only thing better might be Supermicro's x11DAi a Xeon Scalable socket 3647 board that can support up to 4 TB of DDR4 regardless if would actually need that either.

Wtf dude, threadripper has either 2 or 4 cpus depending on sku, with between 4 and 8 cores per CPU. But it doesn't fucking matter, it's total cores that matter for the most part, and actually multiple cpus are slower than a single CPU with the same cores. Two 8 core cpus are almost anyways going to be worse than a single 16 core cpu, so why the fuck does it matter?

Dan_D · May 15, 2019

scharfshutze009 said:
That's not the problem. The problem is that either you or someone else keeps recommending the AMD Fartripper processor or Fartripper system instead of dual processor system,

You can disregard the advice if you want. However, its the best option for what you are doing. A task I'd remind you, that you do not fully understand. I've built dual processor systems for what you say you want to do. Most of the time, you don't need to anymore. If you've got the cash, then go for it. However, you made comments leading me to conclude that you are financing this stuff and that you can't really afford it. With your inability to stay on task over a period of ten years, keep up with software and hardware industry trends you would be wasting your money on a dual processor machine. Disregard the advice if you like, but there is no need to be nasty about it.

scharfshutze009 said:
so you know what I took my Gigabyte 7PESH3 from my server I think I messed up some how by using two 900 watt ups's that were Cyberpower brand considering they had 10 outlets per ups for two 1U UPS's and that's what I needed for just one 2U UPS, but the closest I could get was a Minuteman E2000RTXL2U that was 1760 Watt that also required a 20 amp plug instead of a standard 15 amp plug like the Cyberpower PR1500RTXL2U that had 8 total surge as well as battery plugs. As far as the Minuteman E2000RTXL2U fedex gave me nothing, but trouble with returning it because I couldn't get an RMA in time before I drove it to the fedex freight location in the same city my apartment is in considering I got the RMA after I while I was at the Fedex freight location and newegg only offered to pay $15 for the return shipping, but fedex want $408 and the the box for the item hadn't even been opened

Irrelevant and nearly incoherent rambling. None of that shit has anything to do with the topic at hand. If you want to talk about UPS'es, you should make a separate thread about that topic.

scharfshutze009 said:
due to this is caused me to miss my car payment because they declined every other payment option I had except check considering my debit card had been lost or stolen for about 3 to 4 months.

This only furthers the point. You aren't making good decisions if you are buying hardware and missing car payments. If they declined every other payment option, then its because they were invalid, maxed out, etc. Using your car payment funds to buy hardware is never a smart move and it only proves my point that you can't afford a dual processor machine. Its OK, I make a good living and can't afford to buy a pair of Xeon Platinums and some $800 board to go with them right now either.

scharfshutze009 said:
Also, I'm using my Intel Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's that are 1.8 GHz that I was using in the Gigabyte 7PESH3 before I RMA'd it with a money order for $40 to Gigabyte, but it took months to get back because Gigabyte wanted more money than they original stated I would need to pay to get the board fixed or replaced considering no merchant sells the board anymore an it's not a bad motherboard either considering it has 7 PCIE x16 slots and supports upto 256GB or DDR3. I tested the Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's in my latest Xeon 2011v2 board the Supermicro X9DAI for my server too.

What the hell is the relevance of this?

scharfshutze009 said:
I also put WIndows 2016 back on my server too.

Irrelevant.

scharfshutze009 said:
My point it though that I want to know if anyone has tried an AMD Epyc board in the Lian-Li D8000 instead of an AMD Fartripper,

The processor is irrelevant. You are looking for an E-ATX motherboard. Any, and I mean ANY E-ATX motherboard is compatible with that case. Why is this hard to grasp? If you want an Epyc compatible board, then fine. Buy one. If you want to go with a Xeon, by all means, go for it. Just buy one that's in the E-ATX form factor and it will fit. Period.

scharfshutze009 said:
so stop recommending AMD Fartripper because all it probably does is shot out nasty turds and I'm just kidding of course

It's literally the same processor as an Epyc CPU is. This is the problem with you rejecting advice you don't understand concerning products and a market you don't understand. You also do not understand the needs of software you aren't current with, don't know for an industry you know next to nothing about. Make sarcastic jokes all you want, but Threaderipper, and motherboards like the GIGABYTE X399 Designare EX and MSI X399 MEG Creation were literally made for people who do what you say you want to do for a living. You discount a CPU with 32c/64t with clock speeds that allow it to excel in most applications aside from playing games where the latency between CCX complexes hurts its performance.

scharfshutze009 said:
I'm just tired of seeing recommendations for something that, even if it is actually workstation it probably is only single processor and compared to AMD Epyc boards and processor I don't think I'll like it

Yes, its a single processor. Specifically, its a single processor version of Epyc. It features 64 PCIe lanes and every feature Epyc has. It supports four memory channels just like Xeons. It can be had with as few as 12c/24t and as many as 32c/32t. The 2990WX is a workstation processor, which is what the "W" actually stands for. Its designed to compete with CPU's like the Core i9 9980XE and Xeon W-3175X. It's nearly the equal of the Xeon W-3175X in turbo frequency clock speeds but offers more cores and threads. It costs just over half as much. Of course, there is the big dog Epyc 7601, but that processor is 2.2GHz vs. 3.0GHz and boost clocks to 3.3GHz instead of 3.8GHz making it considerably slower. It does have more memory channels, but I can almost promise that nothing you will do with it will utilize eight memory channels worth of bandwidth and 128 PCIe lanes.

The AMD Threadripper 2990WX is an HEDT processor designed for content creators. Its a market you were unaware of until this thread was created and it was brought to your attention. Its literally the best value and one of the best performers on the market for the task you've stated. That's why you keep hearing things about it. Again, go with a dual Epyc 7601 if you want to. You only say you won't like it because you have this old fashioned way of thinking that's about 10 years out of date. You may have always had dual processor systems and at one point, that was certainly the way to go for this type of work. That's not necessarily the case now.

scharfshutze009 said:
considering the one Supermicro board I saw can support up to 2TB regardless if I would actually need that considering the Gigabyte 7PESH3 I just put in the Lian-Li D8000 only supports up to 256 GB of DDR3 that was in my server previously and the Supermicro X9DAi in my server can support up to 1TB of DDR3 memory.

Just what is it you think you'll be doing that will utilize that much RAM? It isn't 3D modeling, I can tell you that. I work with servers that have that kind of RAM and use it. You aren't going to be doing that with workstation applications for 3D rendering and modeling, or trying to make your own OS or whatever you think it is you'll be doing.

scharfshutze009 said:
Also, I already tried Supermicro's X10DAi a 2011v3 board that also supports 2011v4 processors, but I couldn't get it to line up with the spacers except I was in a hurry and maybe I needed to slow down.

Yeah, you need to take your time and make sure things line up. You also have to consider that the number of stand offs these motherboards may need will vary slightly. This is why they are removable from the motherboard tray. You also need to install the I/O shield and line everything up just right. Again, the chassis you linked and won't shut up about supports E-ATX motherboards. They will fit in that case if you install the board correctly.

scharfshutze009 said:
Other than that the only thing better might be Supermicro's x11DAi a Xeon Scalable socket 3647 board that can support up to 4 TB of DDR4 regardless if would actually need that either.

That board is E-ATX, so it will work. If going into debt is your thing, then knock yourself out. One scalable Xeon Gold 6128 costs as much as a Threadripper CPU and will get ass raped by it, but go ahead. Even two will only be able to compete with Threadripper in certain memory intensive applications and that's it. For workstation type tasks that you say you want to do, its going to get raped. You need to step up to the big dog Xeon's, but we aren't talking about missing a car payment type money. We are talking about brand new F-150 pickup money all said and done for processors alone. Again, you have no idea what you are doing, nor how to design a system for the task at hand. You want this server hardware because you like it and you fancy yourself some type of 3D professional. You aren't there yet and I am convinced you don't have the expertise to build such a system properly if case mounting an E-ATX motherboard in an E-ATX compatible chassis is proving difficult. I'm not trying to be mean, we all had to start somewhere and we don't all have the same skill set.

BTW, to further the comparison, you'd need a Scalable Xeon Platinum 8180 to match the performance of the Xeon W-3175X in workstation performance tasks. The Threadripper 2990WX, isn't always as fast, but its damn close and its as cheap as a Xeon Gold 6128. You would need to step it up more than that to match the core count and clock frequencies of Threadripper in two CPUs.

You asked, we answered. You don't like the answers but it is what it is. Take or leave the recommendations.

Dan_D · May 15, 2019

bobzdar said:
Wtf dude, threadripper has either 2 or 4 cpus depending on sku, with between 4 and 8 cores per CPU. But it doesn't fucking matter, it's total cores that matter for the most part, and actually multiple cpus are slower than a single CPU with the same cores. Two 8 core cpus are almost anyways going to be worse than a single 16 core cpu, so why the fuck does it matter?

This is the primary thing he isn't understanding. It would take two Xeon Gold 6148's to match and exceed the core count of Threadripper. Many of the Xeon scalable famility he's so fond of aren't anywhere near the base clock and boost clock speeds of Threadripper. PBO with good cooling puts even more performance on the table with no fuss. It isn't overclocking in the "I'm running my hardware out of spec" kind of way either.

Keljian · May 15, 2019

Dan_D said:
Lots of good stuff.

I think by now we've established that Schultz does not have the requisite experience, knowledge, or even listening skills to understand the problem, I really don't know why you bother.

The reality, as we've established also, is that he would probably be served well enough by a desktop class machine considering the skill level he has. Forget "going into debt to the tune of a new F-150 pickup" - very few people need this sort of hardware, much less on the desktop. Literally Scientists and 3d modellers (the latter is debatable) are the only groups I can think of. This is usually funded by their employers...

Dan_D · May 16, 2019

Keljian said:
I think by now we've established that Schultz does not have the requisite experience, knowledge, or even listening skills to understand the problem, I really don't know why you bother.

The reality, as we've established also, is that he would probably be served well enough by a desktop class machine considering the skill level he has. Forget "going into debt to the tune of a new F-150 pickup" - very few people need this sort of hardware, much less on the desktop. Literally Scientists and 3d modellers (the latter is debatable) are the only groups I can think of. This is usually funded by their employers...

I bother for two reasons. Entertainment value, and because someone who actually has similar questions may find it helpful. I actually miss building rigs like that and owning them. I've got a D5400XS and a Providence PR440FX motherboard in my office right now. I love dual processor rigs. But, needing them for general workstation tasks is pretty rare these days. Since the race for an obscene amount of cores and clock speed happened in the HEDT world, dual CPU rigs have become even more niche than they already were.

scharfshutze009 · May 16, 2019

Dan_D said:
I bother for two reasons. Entertainment value, and because someone who actually has similar questions may find it helpful. I actually miss building rigs like that and owning them. I've got a D5400XS and a Providence PR440FX motherboard in my office right now. I love dual processor rigs. But, needing them for general workstation tasks is pretty rare these days. Since the race for an obscene amount of cores and clock speed happened in the HEDT world, dual CPU rigs have become even more niche than they already were.

I know sorta, but then so have quad processor aka quad CPU systems and quad processor boards are usually considered proprietary for some reason except I don't know why considering Supermicro is the only computer motherboard company I can find who makes them, but Supermicro's quad processor boards are usually SWTX form factor a form factor that I've only seen Supermicro Server cubes like the SC830 and SC850 support. The SC830 is actually what my Supermicro P3DRIII motherboard needed considering the power switch and ATX plug on along with the P4 plug the board required would plug into a power supply I could find with enough plugs to power enough hard drives to use even the P3DRIII on board Ultra 160 SCSI that could or is supposed to be able to support up to 15 devices per channel or cable or whatever considering I still haven't managed to get a system or computer that can support SCSI technology, such as Ultra 160 or Ultra 320 prior to SAS to work because I can't get all the parts I need to complete the build and power it out of the location I'm stuck living out of too no matter where I live or try to work out of.

Unfortunately too in regards to quad processor or CPU systems is that the SC850 or SC850P4 chassis can only be used with a Supermicro capable motherboard originally designed for it, so if not true for what I'm sure is the older server cube pedestal chassis the SC850 the SC850P4 at least is only compatibe with the Supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 and not the P3DRIII that will only work in the Supermicro SC830 server cube pedestal chassis that Lian-Li is trying to copy in one sense and Lian-Li isn't doing a very good job because Lian-Li doesn't include hot swap hard drive bays, redundant power supplies or back planes for redundant power supplies, and Lian-Li doesn't include a Locking front chassis door, which the only thing Lian-Li adds that is better is the ability to water cool a system that would use such a large chassis that makes more sense that it would or should be a Dual Processor or maybe even Qaud processor mainboard or motherboard considering the Supermicro SC830, SC850, and SC850P4 all supported Dual or Quad processor Pentium III or Xeon processors.

The only thing I do not know for sure is if the HPTX form factor is or can support or accomodate quad processor, like Supermicro's SWTX form factor mainboards or motherboards in regards to the Supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 or other Supermicro quad processor boards that were SWTX form factor.

I had the PR440FX board working in an ARK chassis that I can't remember the model of the ARK brand chassis, but the IDE controller wouldn't allow any of the Optical media drives to boot the computer in regards to DVD or CD reader or recorder drives considering that original Blu-ray and HD-DVD drives required at least a Pentium 4 or equivalent AMD system that could be at least the most current 32-bit Pentium 4 or 32-bit AMD equivalent systems. Therefore, I donated the computer with the Intel PR440FX motherboard or mainboard to the College I graded with the 3 associate degrees in Computer Networking Administration a few weeks ago prior to the date of this reply. It was a very rare system though, but the Intel PR440FX could only support up to 512 MB of EDO RAM and that's not helpful considering my Intel Abit ST6-RAID and the motherboard that replaced the Abit ST6-RAID after scratching a trace while removing a socket 370 heatsink from the equivalent of AMD's Socket A for Athlon Thunderbird as well as AMD's Athlon XP processor and Intel's Socket 7 that are not compatible with each others socket, which is the reason I use a butter knife instead to remove a heatsink from a processor socket that one of these boards would have regardless if my dad would get mad and say I'll scratch the crap out of the knife, which is not true and I haven't found a safer solution to removing a heatsink from a Socket 370 or equivalent socket motherboard to change processors or put clean thermal grease on the processor except maybe a spudure that has as much of a rounded tip to prevent scratching a trace if it slips off the retention clip like a flat head screw driver and only the ifixit brand seems to make as well as Radio Shack seems to conviently sell locally, which my point is that the Pentium III coppermine, Pentium III Tualatin, Celeron Coppermine, and Celeron Tualatin motherboards or mainboards only supported up to 512 MB of SDRAM that was faster that EDO RAM, but if 512 MB of SDRAM isn't enough to run most programs let alone newer operating systems than Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 or other equivalent Operating Systems then neither would the slower older 512 MB of EDO RAM that the Intel PR440FX had considering I couldn't even get the Intel PR440FX to boot from an Ubuntu Server 16.4 LTS only required 384 MB of RAM for minimal installation except as mentioned the IDE controller didn't seem to be working anyway and the only thing I could get the Intel PR440FX board to boot from was a bootable MS-DOS also known as a Windows 9x Floppy, which noboby can do much with that considering there's not enough to work with when having to only be able to boot from one bootable 3.5 disk considering nobody sells 3.5 inch floppies hardly anymore if it would help let alone 5.25 floppies that might only make the situation worse or more difficult considering the most affordable 5 1/4 also known as 5.25 Floppy Disk drive I see is priced at around $299 now if you can find one new, so that drivers and instructions come with it to tell how to set the jumpers on the drive if there are any jumpers on the drive considering there would or might be considering the last time I saw a 5.25 Floppy Drive it had jumpers on the drive and I didn't know how to set them if I needed to know considering I couldn't get the drive(s) to work. Now after having said that I've created one of the worst run on sentences unintentionally, but somehow intentionally while trying not to.

The most important part is that Dual or quad processor system let alone multi-core if applicable are hard to program from what I read in my references or sources I used for my high school report or essay on computer programming that I got a grade of an A on because even though I couldn't explain computer programming or programming languages I knew or found out that a computer programmer needs to be very good in math and I found out about some of the programming langauges such as C and Basic, but didn't know about C++ or Visual Basic if even JAVA at the time regardless if I do now and know about Perl, Python, Ruby, and many other programming langauges or graphics programming languages also known as API's or whatever anyone prefers to call an API.

bobzdar · May 16, 2019

scharfshutze009 said:
I know sorta, but then so have quad processor aka quad CPU systems and quad processor boards are usually considered proprietary for some reason except I don't know why considering Supermicro is the only computer motherboard company I can find who makes them, but Supermicro's quad processor boards are usually SWTX form factor a form factor that I've only seen Supermicro Server cubes like the SC830 and SC850 support. The SC830 is actually what my Supermicro P3DRIII motherboard needed considering the power switch and ATX plug on along with the P4 plug the board required would plug into a power supply I could find with enough plugs to power enough hard drives to use even the P3DRIII on board Ultra 160 SCSI that could or is supposed to be able to support up to 15 devices per channel or cable or whatever considering I still haven't managed to get a system or computer that can support SCSI technology, such as Ultra 160 or Ultra 320 prior to SAS to work because I can't get all the parts I need to complete the build and power it out of the location I'm stuck living out of too no matter where I live or try to work out of.

Unfortunately too in regards to quad processor or CPU systems is that the SC850 or SC850P4 chassis can only be used with a Supermicro capable motherboard originally designed for it, so if not true for what I'm sure is the older server cube pedestal chassis the SC850 the SC850P4 at least is only compatibe with the Supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 and not the P3DRIII that will only work in the Supermicro SC830 server cube pedestal chassis that Lian-Li is trying to copy in one sense and Lian-Li isn't doing a very good job because Lian-Li doesn't include hot swap hard drive bays, redundant power supplies or back planes for redundant power supplies, and Lian-Li doesn't include a Locking front chassis door, which the only thing Lian-Li adds that is better is the ability to water cool a system that would use such a large chassis that makes more sense that it would or should be a Dual Processor or maybe even Qaud processor mainboard or motherboard considering the Supermicro SC830, SC850, and SC850P4 all supported Dual or Quad processor Pentium III or Xeon processors.

The only thing I do not know for sure is if the HPTX form factor is or can support or accomodate quad processor, like Supermicro's SWTX form factor mainboards or motherboards in regards to the Supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 or other Supermicro quad processor boards that were SWTX form factor.

I had the PR440FX board working in an ARK chassis that I can't remember the model of the ARK brand chassis, but the IDE controller wouldn't allow any of the Optical media drives to boot the computer in regards to DVD or CD reader or recorder drives considering that original Blu-ray and HD-DVD drives required at least a Pentium 4 or equivalent AMD system that could be at least the most current 32-bit Pentium 4 or 32-bit AMD equivalent systems. Therefore, I donated the computer with the Intel PR440FX motherboard or mainboard to the College I graded with the 3 associate degrees in Computer Networking Administration a few weeks ago prior to the date of this reply. It was a very rare system though, but the Intel PR440FX could only support up to 512 MB of EDO RAM and that's not helpful considering my Intel Abit ST6-RAID and the motherboard that replaced the Abit ST6-RAID after scratching a trace while removing a socket 370 heatsink from the equivalent of AMD's Socket A for Athlon Thunderbird as well as AMD's Athlon XP processor and Intel's Socket 7 that are not compatible with each others socket, which is the reason I use a butter knife instead to remove a heatsink from a processor socket that one of these boards would have regardless if my dad would get mad and say I'll scratch the crap out of the knife, which is not true and I haven't found a safer solution to removing a heatsink from a Socket 370 or equivalent socket motherboard to change processors or put clean thermal grease on the processor except maybe a spudure that has as much of a rounded tip to prevent scratching a trace if it slips off the retention clip like a flat head screw driver and only the ifixit brand seems to make as well as Radio Shack seems to conviently sell locally, which my point is that the Pentium III coppermine, Pentium III Tualatin, Celeron Coppermine, and Celeron Tualatin motherboards or mainboards only supported up to 512 MB of SDRAM that was faster that EDO RAM, but if 512 MB of SDRAM isn't enough to run most programs let alone newer operating systems than Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 or other equivalent Operating Systems then neither would the slower older 512 MB of EDO RAM that the Intel PR440FX had considering I couldn't even get the Intel PR440FX to boot from an Ubuntu Server 16.4 LTS only required 384 MB of RAM for minimal installation except as mentioned the IDE controller didn't seem to be working anyway and the only thing I could get the Intel PR440FX board to boot from was a bootable MS-DOS also known as a Windows 9x Floppy, which noboby can do much with that considering there's not enough to work with when having to only be able to boot from one bootable 3.5 disk considering nobody sells 3.5 inch floppies hardly anymore if it would help let alone 5.25 floppies that might only make the situation worse or more difficult considering the most affordable 5 1/4 also known as 5.25 Floppy Disk drive I see is priced at around $299 now if you can find one new, so that drivers and instructions come with it to tell how to set the jumpers on the drive if there are any jumpers on the drive considering there would or might be considering the last time I saw a 5.25 Floppy Drive it had jumpers on the drive and I didn't know how to set them if I needed to know considering I couldn't get the drive(s) to work. Now after having said that I've created one of the worst run on sentences unintentionally, but somehow intentionally while trying not to.

The most important part is that Dual or quad processor system let alone multi-core if applicable are hard to program from what I read in my references or sources I used for my high school report or essay on computer programming that I got a grade of an A on because even though I couldn't explain computer programming or programming languages I knew or found out that a computer programmer needs to be very good in math and I found out about some of the programming langauges such as C and Basic, but didn't know about C++ or Visual Basic if even JAVA at the time regardless if I do now and know about Perl, Python, Ruby, and many other programming langauges or graphics programming languages also known as API's or whatever anyone prefers to call an API.

Can you answer this question with a number and no text?

How many CORES do you need to accomplish your workload in a timely manner?

pendragon1 · May 16, 2019

what the hell is he rambling about?! i see a wall of text and PF440BX, EDO RAM, 5.25 floppy stands out and i go WTF?!?!

scharfshutze009 · May 16, 2019

ryan_975 said:
Another scharfshutze shitshow thread where he tries incessantly to convince everyone he knows everything about anything, and everyone else bangs their head on the wall trying to reason with him only to be told we're all just a bunch of know-nothing mouth-breathing gamer nerds trying to pull one over on him.

I don't try to convince you I everything about anything. Nobody seems to be able to answer my question the way I would hope to provide the most optimal system build for this chassis that's all considering someone keeps recommeding Ryzen Threadripper instead of Eypc regards if Opteron wouldn't be as good a Ryzen or Eypc anymore and I pretty much just used my Intel 2011v2 2603 processors and compatibe Gigabyte 7PEH3 three I just got back from RMA a few months back finally after I thought I fried it using it for my server I had to help me study for Comptia Server+ and the Server Hardware Support Class I took to help me prepare for the Comptia Server+ exam, which I thought I fried because I plugged the servers two rundant 700 Watt Power Supplies into two separate 900 Watt Cyberpower UPS's on the same circuit as well as dual standard 15 amp outlet that I thought I need to also power all the Cisco equipment instead of the two Cyberpower PR1500RTXL2U 1500 Watt UPS's on seperate circuits as well as seperate dual standard 15 amp outlets I was told I would need to pass all my Cisco Certified Network Professional Classes at the University I'm attending just to learn how to network all this stuff considering I need someway to order books on how to use all of this computer equipment anyway, which I did all the labs from the official Cisco Lab manuals except I can't answer all the questions or pass the written tests or complete the hand-on skill final in the limited amount of time they provide because I blankout and forget all the commands and answers before going to class or during test day, even though it kinda comes back to memory a little bit except not enough and it sucks because I still haven't passed the last 5 classes I need to complete my bachelors just in Computer Networking Administration that I've also eshaust all my Federal Student Aid in 2015 and only have 222 percent left in grants left to complete my bachelors degree, but this school will not let me continue my education without a doctors permission and I can't change majors either or take every major either and there is so much to learn too. Do I need to say more because that's how frustrating it all has been trying to get a computer to do what I actually want it to do especially design a game as good as some of the best game developers and I've learned a lot too, but it's that difficult sometimes. I can't even find my copy of True Space 3 anyway and I actually tried looking for it just this week or last week even if it was an upgrade copy or if I actually purchased a retail copy too, but I did find Bryce 3D except I can't get into the Windows 10 side of my Intel 2011v2 1650v2 system that uses the compatible Gigabyte 6PXSV4 motherboard and has dual boot set up with Ubuntu 14.4 LTS that might be the source of the problem considering the Ubuntu side caused boot issues with Windows 10 in the first place that I could only repair with a Windows 10 installation disc repair option to get back into Windows 10 that doesn't work anymore and that the Ubuntu side is out of hard drive space too now.

pendragon1 · May 16, 2019

are you intentionally creating these walls of punctuation-less outdated text just to annoy and confuse people?

bobzdar · May 16, 2019

scharfshutze009 said:
I don't try to convince you I everything about anything. Nobody seems to be able to answer my question the way I would hope to provide the most optimal system build for this chassis that's all considering someone keeps recommeding Ryzen Threadripper instead of Eypc regards if Opteron wouldn't be as good a Ryzen or Eypc anymore and I pretty much just used my Intel 2011v2 2603 processors and compatibe Gigabyte 7PEH3 three I just got back from RMA a few months back finally after I thought I fried it using it for my server I had to help me study for Comptia Server+ and the Server Hardware Support Class I took to help me prepare for the Comptia Server+ exam, which I thought I fried because I plugged the servers two rundant 700 Watt Power Supplies into two separate 900 Watt Cyberpower UPS's on the same circuit as well as dual standard 15 amp outlet that I thought I need to also power all the Cisco equipment instead of the two Cyberpower PR1500RTXL2U 1500 Watt UPS's on seperate circuits as well as seperate dual standard 15 amp outlets I was told I would need to pass all my Cisco Certified Network Professional Classes at the University I'm attending just to learn how to network all this stuff considering I need someway to order books on how to use all of this computer equipment anyway, which I did all the labs from the official Cisco Lab manuals except I can't answer all the questions or pass the written tests or complete the hand-on skill final in the limited amount of time they provide because I blankout and forget all the commands and answers before going to class or during test day, even though it kinda comes back to memory a little bit except not enough and it sucks because I still haven't passed the last 5 classes I need to complete my bachelors just in Computer Networking Administration that I've also eshaust all my Federal Student Aid in 2015 and only have 222 percent left in grants left to complete my bachelors degree, but this school will not let me continue my education without a doctors permission and I can't change majors either or take every major either and there is so much to learn too. Do I need to say more because that's how frustrating it all has been trying to get a computer to do what I actually want it to do especially design a game as good as some of the best game developers and I've learned a lot too, but it's that difficult sometimes. I can't even find my copy of True Space 3 anyway and I actually tried looking for it just this week or last week even if it was an upgrade copy or if I actually purchased a retail copy too, but I did find Bryce 3D except I can't get into the Windows 10 side of my Intel 2011v2 1650v2 system that uses the compatible Gigabyte 6PXSV4 motherboard and has dual boot set up with Ubuntu 14.4 LTS that might be the source of the problem considering the Ubuntu side caused boot issues with Windows 10 in the first place that I could only repair with a Windows 10 installation disc repair option to get back into Windows 10 that doesn't work anymore and that the Ubuntu side is out of hard drive space too now.

People keep recommended threadripper because it's the best solution to what you've outlined. Epyc is more expensive for the same cores and is lower performance. Server chips are optimized for efficiency, so lower clocks to get the most performance per watt. That is not a concern for HEDT, you want maximum performance, so Threadripper (usually) provides more performance while also costing less, especially compared to Intel Xeons.

You have to get out of your head the old, outdated and incorrect paradigm that multiple sockets are somehow better. They aren't. All that really matters for your use case as you've outlined it is number of cores, so how many do you need?

Dan_D · May 16, 2019

scharfshutze009 said:
I know sorta, but then so have quad processor aka quad CPU systems and quad processor boards are usually considered proprietary for some reason except I don't know why considering Supermicro is the only computer motherboard company I can find who makes them, but Supermicro's quad processor boards are usually SWTX form factor a form factor that I've only seen Supermicro Server cubes like the SC830 and SC850 support. The SC830 is actually what my Supermicro P3DRIII motherboard needed considering the power switch and ATX plug on along with the P4 plug the board required would plug into a power supply I could find with enough plugs to power enough hard drives to use even the P3DRIII on board Ultra 160 SCSI that could or is supposed to be able to support up to 15 devices per channel or cable or whatever considering I still haven't managed to get a system or computer that can support SCSI technology, such as Ultra 160 or Ultra 320 prior to SAS to work because I can't get all the parts I need to complete the build and power it out of the location I'm stuck living out of too no matter where I live or try to work out of.

Unfortunately too in regards to quad processor or CPU systems is that the SC850 or SC850P4 chassis can only be used with a Supermicro capable motherboard originally designed for it, so if not true for what I'm sure is the older server cube pedestal chassis the SC850 the SC850P4 at least is only compatibe with the Supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 and not the P3DRIII that will only work in the Supermicro SC830 server cube pedestal chassis that Lian-Li is trying to copy in one sense and Lian-Li isn't doing a very good job because Lian-Li doesn't include hot swap hard drive bays, redundant power supplies or back planes for redundant power supplies, and Lian-Li doesn't include a Locking front chassis door, which the only thing Lian-Li adds that is better is the ability to water cool a system that would use such a large chassis that makes more sense that it would or should be a Dual Processor or maybe even Qaud processor mainboard or motherboard considering the Supermicro SC830, SC850, and SC850P4 all supported Dual or Quad processor Pentium III or Xeon processors.

The only thing I do not know for sure is if the HPTX form factor is or can support or accomodate quad processor, like Supermicro's SWTX form factor mainboards or motherboards in regards to the Supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 or other Supermicro quad processor boards that were SWTX form factor.

I had the PR440FX board working in an ARK chassis that I can't remember the model of the ARK brand chassis, but the IDE controller wouldn't allow any of the Optical media drives to boot the computer in regards to DVD or CD reader or recorder drives considering that original Blu-ray and HD-DVD drives required at least a Pentium 4 or equivalent AMD system that could be at least the most current 32-bit Pentium 4 or 32-bit AMD equivalent systems. Therefore, I donated the computer with the Intel PR440FX motherboard or mainboard to the College I graded with the 3 associate degrees in Computer Networking Administration a few weeks ago prior to the date of this reply. It was a very rare system though, but the Intel PR440FX could only support up to 512 MB of EDO RAM and that's not helpful considering my Intel Abit ST6-RAID and the motherboard that replaced the Abit ST6-RAID after scratching a trace while removing a socket 370 heatsink from the equivalent of AMD's Socket A for Athlon Thunderbird as well as AMD's Athlon XP processor and Intel's Socket 7 that are not compatible with each others socket, which is the reason I use a butter knife instead to remove a heatsink from a processor socket that one of these boards would have regardless if my dad would get mad and say I'll scratch the crap out of the knife, which is not true and I haven't found a safer solution to removing a heatsink from a Socket 370 or equivalent socket motherboard to change processors or put clean thermal grease on the processor except maybe a spudure that has as much of a rounded tip to prevent scratching a trace if it slips off the retention clip like a flat head screw driver and only the ifixit brand seems to make as well as Radio Shack seems to conviently sell locally, which my point is that the Pentium III coppermine, Pentium III Tualatin, Celeron Coppermine, and Celeron Tualatin motherboards or mainboards only supported up to 512 MB of SDRAM that was faster that EDO RAM, but if 512 MB of SDRAM isn't enough to run most programs let alone newer operating systems than Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 or other equivalent Operating Systems then neither would the slower older 512 MB of EDO RAM that the Intel PR440FX had considering I couldn't even get the Intel PR440FX to boot from an Ubuntu Server 16.4 LTS only required 384 MB of RAM for minimal installation except as mentioned the IDE controller didn't seem to be working anyway and the only thing I could get the Intel PR440FX board to boot from was a bootable MS-DOS also known as a Windows 9x Floppy, which noboby can do much with that considering there's not enough to work with when having to only be able to boot from one bootable 3.5 disk considering nobody sells 3.5 inch floppies hardly anymore if it would help let alone 5.25 floppies that might only make the situation worse or more difficult considering the most affordable 5 1/4 also known as 5.25 Floppy Disk drive I see is priced at around $299 now if you can find one new, so that drivers and instructions come with it to tell how to set the jumpers on the drive if there are any jumpers on the drive considering there would or might be considering the last time I saw a 5.25 Floppy Drive it had jumpers on the drive and I didn't know how to set them if I needed to know considering I couldn't get the drive(s) to work. Now after having said that I've created one of the worst run on sentences unintentionally, but somehow intentionally while trying not to.

The most important part is that Dual or quad processor system let alone multi-core if applicable are hard to program from what I read in my references or sources I used for my high school report or essay on computer programming that I got a grade of an A on because even though I couldn't explain computer programming or programming languages I knew or found out that a computer programmer needs to be very good in math and I found out about some of the programming langauges such as C and Basic, but didn't know about C++ or Visual Basic if even JAVA at the time regardless if I do now and know about Perl, Python, Ruby, and many other programming langauges or graphics programming languages also known as API's or whatever anyone prefers to call an API.

This is what we call "word salad." Its irrelevant. And why are you back on the whole quad CPU thing when you can't afford a decent dual CPU system which we've already shown you will not only cost more, but will be slower for what you say you are trying to do. He can't afford and doesn't need two processors, much less four.

pendragon1 said:
what the hell is he rambling about?! i see a wall of text and PF440BX, EDO RAM, 5.25 floppy stands out and i go WTF?!?!

He mentions Ultra 160 SCSI, Pentium III's, an ABIT ST6-RAID, and 3.5" floppies too. Why? I couldn't say. None of it is helpful, provides context, or has anything to do with the topic at hand. He probably mentioned the PR440FX as I brought it up as an example to illustrate that I've owned dual processor rigs and I like them. But I also used it to point out that such things are rarely needed anymore. This isn't ten years ago. This guy's stuck in the past and won't move on. He thinks his high school report is some how relevant or that information holds true to today. It doesn't. Unless your compiling a history report, none of it makes a damn bit of difference today.

scharfshutze009 said:
I don't try to convince you I everything about anything. Nobody seems to be able to answer my question the way I would hope to provide the most optimal system build for this chassis that's all considering someone keeps recommeding Ryzen Threadripper instead of Eypc regards if Opteron wouldn't be as good a Ryzen or Eypc anymore and I pretty much just used my Intel 2011v2 2603 processors and compatibe Gigabyte 7PEH3 three I just got back from RMA a few months back finally after I thought I fried it using it for my server I had to help me study for Comptia Server+ and the Server Hardware Support Class I took to help me prepare for the Comptia Server+ exam, which I thought I fried because I plugged the servers two rundant 700 Watt Power Supplies into two separate 900 Watt Cyberpower UPS's on the same circuit as well as dual standard 15 amp outlet that I thought I need to also power all the Cisco equipment instead of the two Cyberpower PR1500RTXL2U 1500 Watt UPS's on seperate circuits as well as seperate dual standard 15 amp outlets I was told I would need to pass all my Cisco Certified Network Professional Classes at the University I'm attending just to learn how to network all this stuff considering I need someway to order books on how to use all of this computer equipment anyway, which I did all the labs from the official Cisco Lab manuals except I can't answer all the questions or pass the written tests or complete the hand-on skill final in the limited amount of time they provide because I blankout and forget all the commands and answers before going to class or during test day, even though it kinda comes back to memory a little bit except not enough and it sucks because I still haven't passed the last 5 classes I need to complete my bachelors just in Computer Networking Administration that I've also eshaust all my Federal Student Aid in 2015 and only have 222 percent left in grants left to complete my bachelors degree, but this school will not let me continue my education without a doctors permission and I can't change majors either or take every major either and there is so much to learn too. Do I need to say more because that's how frustrating it all has been trying to get a computer to do what I actually want it to do especially design a game as good as some of the best game developers and I've learned a lot too, but it's that difficult sometimes. I can't even find my copy of True Space 3 anyway and I actually tried looking for it just this week or last week even if it was an upgrade copy or if I actually purchased a retail copy too, but I did find Bryce 3D except I can't get into the Windows 10 side of my Intel 2011v2 1650v2 system that uses the compatible Gigabyte 6PXSV4 motherboard and has dual boot set up with Ubuntu 14.4 LTS that might be the source of the problem considering the Ubuntu side caused boot issues with Windows 10 in the first place that I could only repair with a Windows 10 installation disc repair option to get back into Windows 10 that doesn't work anymore and that the Ubuntu side is out of hard drive space too now.

Bullshit. We answered your questions many times over. You just don't like the answer. You then go off on tangents with no punctuation that are hard to read that include shit about UPSes, Pentium III processors, EDO DIMMs, and floppy drives. None of that is applicable to the topic at hand, nor does it provide helpful context for the questions you've asked.

So, if you are intent on buying dual processor motherboards that fit that case, you buy an E-ATX motherboard. So here you go. Here is the answer you want. It's a waste of money, you have no idea what you are doing and can't even get an E-ATX motherboard into an E-ATX chassis, but hey, why not? Buy the Supermicro X11DPi-NT or an X11DAi-N. Put a pair of Xeon Platinum 8180's on it. If you can't afford that, then get a pair of Xeon Gold Xeon 6140's or shitty 6128's. If you want Epyc, get a SuperMicro H11DSi and a pair of Epyc 7601's.

As a form of entertainment, this nonsense has run its course.

Dan_D · May 16, 2019

bobzdar said:
People keep recommended threadripper because it's the best solution to what you've outlined. Epyc is more expensive for the same cores and is lower performance. Server chips are optimized for efficiency, so lower clocks to get the most performance per watt. That is not a concern for HEDT, you want maximum performance, so Threadripper (usually) provides more performance while also costing less, especially compared to Intel Xeons.

You have to get out of your head the old, outdated and incorrect paradigm that multiple sockets are somehow better. They aren't. All that really matters for your use case as you've outlined it is number of cores, so how many do you need?

Indeed, server chips are about performance per watt. The advantage these systems have is the ability to provide multipple cores in a scalable package with an extreme amount of memory bandwidth. This is useful for virtualization, database work, and so on. Back before CPU's went multicore or when the core densities were much lower than they are today, you needed MP systems for 3D rendering and workstation applications. As you've said, today's HEDT systems have more cores and they are clocked much higher for desktop workloads.

BinarySynapse · May 16, 2019

I genuinely have to wonder if this guy experienced a TBI sometime in the early 2000's and is completely unable to grasp how much things have changed since then.

Dan_D · May 16, 2019

ryan_975 said:
I genuinely have to wonder if this guy experienced a TBI sometime in the early 2000's and is completely unable to grasp how much things have changed since then.

Indeed. I think that's the case. His mode of thinking is definitely stuck in the past.

pyr02k1 · May 16, 2019

I read most of this thread a couple of days ago and had a giggle watching Dan_D school you on what you need. Well, attempting to do so except that you're not listening to anyone. You're being told by a person who has managed systems you're describing including for the things you're wanting to do, and yet you ignore him repeatedly. He was a writer for [H] for 15 years I think, and you're arguing with him while describing hardware and software that hasn't been relevant for 10 or more years! He's been writing for [H] for LONGER than the software you describe has been out of support. If you know best, then stop asking for help!

scharfshutze009 said:
That's not the problem. The problem is that either you or someone else keeps recommending the AMD Fartripper processor or Fartripper system instead of dual processor system,

BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU NEED!!! Jeez. You have a half dozen people who know a ton about hardware telling you what you need... Why don't you listen? You're complaining of money and missing car payments later down the line and you want to buy a dual processor server system? A 2990WX is a workstation processor, designed for EXACTLY what you're doing. You're not running a render farm, and even then, your use case probably wont justify even the 2990WX in the with how outdated you are software wise. Even then, the 2990WX is a $1700 processor and fits your bill exactly and is probably overkill without you being on top of everything. You could pick up an Epyc 7551P board and processor combo for about $2200, but that's slower than the 2990WX. If you get the 7601 or a dual processor system that you're so set on for no good reason, your cost vs performance is crap. Everyone is recommending the 2990WX because it is the best bang for your buck, hands down.
Heres a 7601 and Dual 7601
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-epyc7601-2p&num=4
And here is a 2990WX
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-linux-2990wx&num=8
Now look at the Blender times for all 3, and the 7551P on top of that (in the first link). Dual Epyc 7601 is running 57 seconds to the 2990WX at 78, and the single 7551P and single 7601 both top 100s. They're slower per single CPU, but the cost difference for a dual is just wasteful compared to a single 2990WX. You can't manage a car payment with this endeavor and yet you want to skyrocket your costs of entry?

scharfshutze009 said:
so you know what I took my Gigabyte 7PESH3 from my server I think I messed up some how by using two 900 watt ups's that were Cyberpower brand considering they had 10 outlets per ups for two 1U UPS's and that's what I needed for just one 2U UPS, but the closest I could get was a Minuteman E2000RTXL2U that was 1760 Watt that also required a 20 amp plug instead of a standard 15 amp plug like the Cyberpower PR1500RTXL2U that had 8 total surge as well as battery plugs. As far as the Minuteman E2000RTXL2U fedex gave me nothing, but trouble with returning it because I couldn't get an RMA in time before I drove it to the fedex freight location in the same city my apartment is in considering I got the RMA after I while I was at the Fedex freight location and newegg only offered to pay $15 for the return shipping, but fedex want $408 and the the box for the item hadn't even been opened due to this is caused me to miss my car payment because they declined every other payment option I had except check considering my debit card had been lost or stolen for about 3 to 4 months.

Dan is right, what the hell does this have to do with which processor and board to use? But to add to that, how would you even think that somehow running 2 name brand UPSs would mess something up? Plus, the rambling here doesn't even say anything of worth outside of the fact that you missed a car payment because you couldn't afford what you're doing, and that you can't replace a debit card in over 3 months, which is not a good sign for managing all of this to start with. I have a rack running in my company office that has 3 of these UPSs in it and a server with triple redundant PSUs connected across all 3 because they wanted to go that route. My home server is a triple redundant split across 3 very old APC UPSs and has never had a problem. The UPS is not the cause of whatever your problem is, and if it was, it would've likely fried the power supply before damaging the board. You don't mention PSU issues, so I doubt they're your issue in any case.

scharfshutze009 said:
Also, I'm using my Intel Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's that are 1.8 GHz that I was using in the Gigabyte 7PESH3 before I RMA'd it with a money order for $40 to Gigabyte, but it took months to get back because Gigabyte wanted more money than they original stated I would need to pay to get the board fixed or replaced considering no merchant sells the board anymore an it's not a bad motherboard either considering it has 7 PCIE x16 slots and supports upto 256GB or DDR3. I tested the Xeon 2011v2 2603v2's in my latest Xeon 2011v2 board the Supermicro X9DAI for my server too. I also put WIndows 2016 back on my server too.

And? I have a dual 2650 system running here, a dual X5670 system sitting next to me and a 1270 running in this PC I'm typing on. What does any of that have to do with anything?

scharfshutze009 said:
My point it though that I want to know if anyone has tried an AMD Epyc board in the Lian-Li D8000 instead of an AMD Fartripper, so stop recommending AMD Fartripper because all it probably does is shot out nasty turds and I'm just kidding of course I'm just tired of seeing recommendations for something that, even if it is actually workstation it probably is only single processor and compared to AMD Epyc boards and processor I don't think I'll like it considering the one Supermicro board I saw can support up to 2TB regardless if I would actually need that considering the Gigabyte 7PESH3 I just put in the Lian-Li D8000 only supports up to 256 GB of DDR3 that was in my server previously and the Supermicro X9DAi in my server can support up to 1TB of DDR3 memory. Also, I already tried Supermicro's X10DAi a 2011v3 board that also supports 2011v4 processors, but I couldn't get it to line up with the spacers except I was in a hurry and maybe I needed to slow down. Other than that the only thing better might be Supermicro's x11DAi a Xeon Scalable socket 3647 board that can support up to 4 TB of DDR4 regardless if would actually need that either.

Clearly, no, no one has run that case with that exact setup you're asking for, or at least they're not here to answer if they have. But the people who are here are all telling you that TR is the way to go, and one of them has been writing for [H] for longer than a piece of software you mentioned has been unsupported! YOU DON'T NEED 2TB OF MEMORY! Your rendering will not be so heavily weighted on RAM that you're going to need an obscene amount. Get TR, max the ram if you feel the urge, then give it a go. Take note that the Epyc benchmark on Phoronix used 512GB of memory and the TR test used 32GB. Noting that, the TR system still managed to fall 21 behind a dual Epyc 7601 and 22 seconds faster than a single. Memory IS NOT your issue. Get faster hard drives, some M.2, some SSDs. If you need the storage you mentioned before, grab some 8, 10, 12TB Enterprise drives, Raid 10 them and move on. Use the M.2 or standard SSDs as your scratch drives and the mechanicals as your storage. You mention 16TB as a game size before, but A) you're not likely to be writing that kind of game on your own, and B), 16TB is jack squat now a days, and finally C), that is the OVERALL SIZE, not the active and in use size at any given moment. I have over 50TB raw in my server now, with another 24TB raw sitting outside of it just uninstalled at the moment. Mechanicals are cheap compared to solid state so use them for your storage and use the fast M.2 drives for your main drives to render to and from. Working versus Archived is what I'm getting at here.

scharfshutze009 said:
I know sorta, but then so have quad processor aka quad CPU systems and quad processor boards are usually considered proprietary for some reason except I don't know why considering Supermicro is the only computer motherboard company I can find who makes them, but Supermicro's quad processor boards are usually SWTX form factor a form factor that I've only seen Supermicro Server cubes like the SC830 and SC850 support. The SC830 is actually what my Supermicro P3DRIII motherboard needed considering the power switch and ATX plug on along with the P4 plug the board required would plug into a power supply I could find with enough plugs to power enough hard drives to use even the P3DRIII on board Ultra 160 SCSI that could or is supposed to be able to support up to 15 devices per channel or cable or whatever considering I still haven't managed to get a system or computer that can support SCSI technology, such as Ultra 160 or Ultra 320 prior to SAS to work because I can't get all the parts I need to complete the build and power it out of the location I'm stuck living out of too no matter where I live or try to work out of.

Unfortunately too in regards to quad processor or CPU systems is that the SC850 or SC850P4 chassis can only be used with a Supermicro capable motherboard originally designed for it, so if not true for what I'm sure is the older server cube pedestal chassis the SC850 the SC850P4 at least is only compatibe with the Supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 and not the P3DRIII that will only work in the Supermicro SC830 server cube pedestal chassis that Lian-Li is trying to copy in one sense and Lian-Li isn't doing a very good job because Lian-Li doesn't include hot swap hard drive bays, redundant power supplies or back planes for redundant power supplies, and Lian-Li doesn't include a Locking front chassis door, which the only thing Lian-Li adds that is better is the ability to water cool a system that would use such a large chassis that makes more sense that it would or should be a Dual Processor or maybe even Qaud processor mainboard or motherboard considering the Supermicro SC830, SC850, and SC850P4 all supported Dual or Quad processor Pentium III or Xeon processors.

The only thing I do not know for sure is if the HPTX form factor is or can support or accomodate quad processor, like Supermicro's SWTX form factor mainboards or motherboards in regards to the Supermicro P4QH6 or P4QH8 or other Supermicro quad processor boards that were SWTX form factor.

Why does it matter? You don't need Dual or Quad processors! This isn't 10 years ago where multi processor was the solution to getting more processing done. Today has moved to HEDT systems with high core count and high clock speeds for the use case you have. The ONLY reason you'd need a dual or quad processor system today if for a scientific or rendering cluster, but EVEN THEN, most of them DO NOT RELY ON CPU. GPU is a larger issue for almost all of them now a days, and you'd benefit most from a fast GPU instead of more processors if you weren't so set on using TEN YEAR OLD SOFTWARE! Bryce hasn't had a release since 2010 and stops official support at Windows 7!

https://blog.render.st/blender-2-8-hybrid-cpugpu-rendering-speed-and-quality/
has a great example of CPU vs GPU in the 2.8 blender release. That system is running dual 2670v2 GPUs and only pulled off his render in 117-151 seconds. Using 4 Nvidia K80s (a 5 year old card that can be had for <100/ea), it's down to 50 seconds. If you plan to actually develop using any reasonably modern software, you probably should worry less about the CPU and more about the GPU. Or do both, but realize the 2990WX is really where you WANT to be.

scharfshutze009 said:
I had the PR440FX board working in an ARK chassis that I can't remember the model of the ARK brand chassis, but the IDE controller wouldn't allow any of the Optical media drives to boot the computer in regards to DVD or CD reader or recorder drives considering that original Blu-ray and HD-DVD drives required at least a Pentium 4 or equivalent AMD system that could be at least the most current 32-bit Pentium 4 or 32-bit AMD equivalent systems. Therefore, I donated the computer with the Intel PR440FX motherboard or mainboard to the College I graded with the 3 associate degrees in Computer Networking Administration a few weeks ago prior to the date of this reply. It was a very rare system though, but the Intel PR440FX could only support up to 512 MB of EDO RAM and that's not helpful considering my Intel Abit ST6-RAID and the motherboard that replaced the Abit ST6-RAID after scratching a trace while removing a socket 370 heatsink from the equivalent of AMD's Socket A for Athlon Thunderbird as well as AMD's Athlon XP processor and Intel's Socket 7 that are not compatible with each others socket, which is the reason I use a butter knife instead to remove a heatsink from a processor socket that one of these boards would have regardless if my dad would get mad and say I'll scratch the crap out of the knife, which is not true and I haven't found a safer solution to removing a heatsink from a Socket 370 or equivalent socket motherboard to change processors or put clean thermal grease on the processor except maybe a spudure that has as much of a rounded tip to prevent scratching a trace if it slips off the retention clip like a flat head screw driver and only the ifixit brand seems to make as well as Radio Shack seems to conviently sell locally, which my point is that the Pentium III coppermine, Pentium III Tualatin, Celeron Coppermine, and Celeron Tualatin motherboards or mainboards only supported up to 512 MB of SDRAM that was faster that EDO RAM, but if 512 MB of SDRAM isn't enough to run most programs let alone newer operating systems than Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 or other equivalent Operating Systems then neither would the slower older 512 MB of EDO RAM that the Intel PR440FX had considering I couldn't even get the Intel PR440FX to boot from an Ubuntu Server 16.4 LTS only required 384 MB of RAM for minimal installation except as mentioned the IDE controller didn't seem to be working anyway and the only thing I could get the Intel PR440FX board to boot from was a bootable MS-DOS also known as a Windows 9x Floppy, which noboby can do much with that considering there's not enough to work with when having to only be able to boot from one bootable 3.5 disk considering nobody sells 3.5 inch floppies hardly anymore if it would help let alone 5.25 floppies that might only make the situation worse or more difficult considering the most affordable 5 1/4 also known as 5.25 Floppy Disk drive I see is priced at around $299 now if you can find one new, so that drivers and instructions come with it to tell how to set the jumpers on the drive if there are any jumpers on the drive considering there would or might be considering the last time I saw a 5.25 Floppy Drive it had jumpers on the drive and I didn't know how to set them if I needed to know considering I couldn't get the drive(s) to work. Now after having said that I've created one of the worst run on sentences unintentionally, but somehow intentionally while trying not to.

Not only did you create said run on sentence, IT ISN'T RELEVANT!!!! Congrats on the networking degree I guess, but if you won't listen to people who know what they're talking about in regards to what you're asking, you're not going to have a good time with networking since it's so friggin opinionated in a lot of instances. In this case, opinion isn't the larger issue, it's fact that the best bang for you buck will be a TR system, single processor, max the RAM if you must, but no need for a dual or quad processor system. Also, hardware from years ago DOES NOT COMPARE TO HARDWARE TODAY. Especially not for the use case you have.

scharfshutze009 said:
The most important part is that Dual or quad processor system let alone multi-core if applicable are hard to program from what I read in my references or sources I used for my high school report or essay on computer programming that I got a grade of an A on because even though I couldn't explain computer programming or programming languages I knew or found out that a computer programmer needs to be very good in math and I found out about some of the programming langauges such as C and Basic, but didn't know about C++ or Visual Basic if even JAVA at the time regardless if I do now and know about Perl, Python, Ruby, and many other programming langauges or graphics programming languages also known as API's or whatever anyone prefers to call an API.

Yes, that's true, but what does that have to do with you NOT NEEDING a dual or quad processor? And also, Modern Software used in 3D work is meant to take advantage of multi core systems, including multi processor systems as well. But YOU DON'T NEED THAT.

You sat there and said you had a problem with payment methods, you're failing to get a replacement debit card for months, missing a car payment, and now you want to buy thousands in hardware for software that hasn't been relevant for years to develop a game on your own that you then compare to a AAA title with tons of developers on it? Here, lets give you some math lessons, for fun
Well spec'd TR system with 128GB of memory, dual 2TB M.2 drives, 1200w PSU, then you can add whatever GPUs and HDDs you'd like, $3350.
Epyc 7601 dual with 256GB of memory, nothing added beyond board, processors and memory, $11000. Cut that back to 24 core 7451s and you get down to $7350. That's without a PSU and SSDs.

Lets remember too that the difference between a blender render on the dual 7601 vs the 2990wx was 21 seconds difference. Is the extra $7000+ worth such a tiny amount of time, even extrapolated over thousands of renders, remembering that those will likely be done in a batch mode overnight? And considering that you're outdated 10 years on your software, so you'll need to learn a new and modern 3D modeling application?

My current company works in game development and works with a few game development studios, and none of them have multi CPU systems. They have high core count systems, some i7 extremes, some TR, some higher end Ryzens, but no Xeon or Epyc for their use case. They have a ton of GPUs though... stacks of 1080TIs and Titans and a good chunk of Quadro P series. A finishing/rendering house I helped setup in my last job dealt in both game and movie rendering and they didn't go Xeon or Opteron (at that time), they went with the top end i7 extremes at the time, and a ton of the then new Titan Z or Titan X of that generation, something like 80 or 100 of them in the first iteration of their rack space.

TL;DR: You might not WANT to hear it, but you ARE hearing it. 2990WX is what you want for what you describe. If you want to waste money that you seemingly don't have, then GO AHEAD AND DO IT. You've been given the answer a dozen times over, suck it up and accept it or go be a dunce and buy whatever you'd like since you seem to think you know best.

Azrak · May 16, 2019

In a nutshell...

scharfshutze009 said:
I need to get out of my apartment

scharfshutze009 said:
I actually want to try to make a really good video game that has really impressive graphics

scharfshutze009 said:
I'm also having a difficult time figuring out what I want to call the game or what I want it to be about

scharfshutze009 said:
Workload. i haven't even started the workload yet

scharfshutze009 said:
My major problem now still is financing the project

scharfshutze009 said:
see what it's like to wright just the kernel for an operating system from the ground up

scharfshutze009 said:
I need someway to order books on how to use all of this computer equipment anyway

scharfshutze009 said:
I can't answer all the questions or pass the written tests or complete the hand-on skill final

scharfshutze009 said:
I blankout and forget all the commands and answers before going to class or during test day

scharfshutze009 said:
it kinda comes back to memory a little bit except not enough

scharfshutze009 said:
I still haven't passed the last 5 classes I need to complete my bachelors

scharfshutze009 said:
I've also eshaust all my Federal Student Aid in 2015

scharfshutze009 said:
this school will not let me continue my education without a doctors permission

scharfshutze009 said:
trying to get a computer to do what I actually want it to do

scharfshutze009 said:
design a game as good as some of the best game developers

scharfshutze009 said:
I can't even find my copy of True Space 3

We are dealing with problems that none of us can solve here on this forum. Finding a motherboard that fits the case is the least of them.

Dan_D · May 16, 2019

pyr02k1 said:
I read most of this thread a couple of days ago and had a giggle watching Dan_D school you on what you need. Well, attempting to do so except that you're not listening to anyone. You're being told by a person who has managed systems you're describing including for the things you're wanting to do, and yet you ignore him repeatedly. He was a writer for [H] for 15 years I think, and you're arguing with him while describing hardware and software that hasn't been relevant for 10 or more years! He's been writing for [H] for LONGER than the software you describe has been out of support. If you know best, then stop asking for help!

BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU NEED!!! Jeez. You have a half dozen people who know a ton about hardware telling you what you need... Why don't you listen? You're complaining of money and missing car payments later down the line and you want to buy a dual processor server system? A 2990WX is a workstation processor, designed for EXACTLY what you're doing. You're not running a render farm, and even then, your use case probably wont justify even the 2990WX in the with how outdated you are software wise. Even then, the 2990WX is a $1700 processor and fits your bill exactly and is probably overkill without you being on top of everything. You could pick up an Epyc 7551P board and processor combo for about $2200, but that's slower than the 2990WX. If you get the 7601 or a dual processor system that you're so set on for no good reason, your cost vs performance is crap. Everyone is recommending the 2990WX because it is the best bang for your buck, hands down.
Heres a 7601 and Dual 7601
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-epyc7601-2p&num=4
And here is a 2990WX
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-linux-2990wx&num=8
Now look at the Blender times for all 3, and the 7551P on top of that (in the first link). Dual Epyc 7601 is running 57 seconds to the 2990WX at 78, and the single 7551P and single 7601 both top 100s. They're slower per single CPU, but the cost difference for a dual is just wasteful compared to a single 2990WX. You can't manage a car payment with this endeavor and yet you want to skyrocket your costs of entry?

Dan is right, what the hell does this have to do with which processor and board to use? But to add to that, how would you even think that somehow running 2 name brand UPSs would mess something up? Plus, the rambling here doesn't even say anything of worth outside of the fact that you missed a car payment because you couldn't afford what you're doing, and that you can't replace a debit card in over 3 months, which is not a good sign for managing all of this to start with. I have a rack running in my company office that has 3 of these UPSs in it and a server with triple redundant PSUs connected across all 3 because they wanted to go that route. My home server is a triple redundant split across 3 very old APC UPSs and has never had a problem. The UPS is not the cause of whatever your problem is, and if it was, it would've likely fried the power supply before damaging the board. You don't mention PSU issues, so I doubt they're your issue in any case.

And? I have a dual 2650 system running here, a dual X5670 system sitting next to me and a 1270 running in this PC I'm typing on. What does any of that have to do with anything?

Clearly, no, no one has run that case with that exact setup you're asking for, or at least they're not here to answer if they have. But the people who are here are all telling you that TR is the way to go, and one of them has been writing for [H] for longer than a piece of software you mentioned has been unsupported! YOU DON'T NEED 2TB OF MEMORY! Your rendering will not be so heavily weighted on RAM that you're going to need an obscene amount. Get TR, max the ram if you feel the urge, then give it a go. Take note that the Epyc benchmark on Phoronix used 512GB of memory and the TR test used 32GB. Noting that, the TR system still managed to fall 21 behind a dual Epyc 7601 and 22 seconds faster than a single. Memory IS NOT your issue. Get faster hard drives, some M.2, some SSDs. If you need the storage you mentioned before, grab some 8, 10, 12TB Enterprise drives, Raid 10 them and move on. Use the M.2 or standard SSDs as your scratch drives and the mechanicals as your storage. You mention 16TB as a game size before, but A) you're not likely to be writing that kind of game on your own, and B), 16TB is jack squat now a days, and finally C), that is the OVERALL SIZE, not the active and in use size at any given moment. I have over 50TB raw in my server now, with another 24TB raw sitting outside of it just uninstalled at the moment. Mechanicals are cheap compared to solid state so use them for your storage and use the fast M.2 drives for your main drives to render to and from. Working versus Archived is what I'm getting at here.

Why does it matter? You don't need Dual or Quad processors! This isn't 10 years ago where multi processor was the solution to getting more processing done. Today has moved to HEDT systems with high core count and high clock speeds for the use case you have. The ONLY reason you'd need a dual or quad processor system today if for a scientific or rendering cluster, but EVEN THEN, most of them DO NOT RELY ON CPU. GPU is a larger issue for almost all of them now a days, and you'd benefit most from a fast GPU instead of more processors if you weren't so set on using TEN YEAR OLD SOFTWARE! Bryce hasn't had a release since 2010 and stops official support at Windows 7!

https://blog.render.st/blender-2-8-hybrid-cpugpu-rendering-speed-and-quality/
has a great example of CPU vs GPU in the 2.8 blender release. That system is running dual 2670v2 GPUs and only pulled off his render in 117-151 seconds. Using 4 Nvidia K80s (a 5 year old card that can be had for <100/ea), it's down to 50 seconds. If you plan to actually develop using any reasonably modern software, you probably should worry less about the CPU and more about the GPU. Or do both, but realize the 2990WX is really where you WANT to be.

Not only did you create said run on sentence, IT ISN'T RELEVANT!!!! Congrats on the networking degree I guess, but if you won't listen to people who know what they're talking about in regards to what you're asking, you're not going to have a good time with networking since it's so friggin opinionated in a lot of instances. In this case, opinion isn't the larger issue, it's fact that the best bang for you buck will be a TR system, single processor, max the RAM if you must, but no need for a dual or quad processor system. Also, hardware from years ago DOES NOT COMPARE TO HARDWARE TODAY. Especially not for the use case you have.

Yes, that's true, but what does that have to do with you NOT NEEDING a dual or quad processor? And also, Modern Software used in 3D work is meant to take advantage of multi core systems, including multi processor systems as well. But YOU DON'T NEED THAT.

You sat there and said you had a problem with payment methods, you're failing to get a replacement debit card for months, missing a car payment, and now you want to buy thousands in hardware for software that hasn't been relevant for years to develop a game on your own that you then compare to a AAA title with tons of developers on it? Here, lets give you some math lessons, for fun
Well spec'd TR system with 128GB of memory, dual 2TB M.2 drives, 1200w PSU, then you can add whatever GPUs and HDDs you'd like, $3350.
Epyc 7601 dual with 256GB of memory, nothing added beyond board, processors and memory, $11000. Cut that back to 24 core 7451s and you get down to $7350. That's without a PSU and SSDs.

Lets remember too that the difference between a blender render on the dual 7601 vs the 2990wx was 21 seconds difference. Is the extra $7000+ worth such a tiny amount of time, even extrapolated over thousands of renders, remembering that those will likely be done in a batch mode overnight? And considering that you're outdated 10 years on your software, so you'll need to learn a new and modern 3D modeling application?

My current company works in game development and works with a few game development studios, and none of them have multi CPU systems. They have high core count systems, some i7 extremes, some TR, some higher end Ryzens, but no Xeon or Epyc for their use case. They have a ton of GPUs though... stacks of 1080TIs and Titans and a good chunk of Quadro P series. A finishing/rendering house I helped setup in my last job dealt in both game and movie rendering and they didn't go Xeon or Opteron (at that time), they went with the top end i7 extremes at the time, and a ton of the then new Titan Z or Titan X of that generation, something like 80 or 100 of them in the first iteration of their rack space.

TL;DR: You might not WANT to hear it, but you ARE hearing it. 2990WX is what you want for what you describe. If you want to waste money that you seemingly don't have, then GO AHEAD AND DO IT. You've been given the answer a dozen times over, suck it up and accept it or go be a dunce and buy whatever you'd like since you seem to think you know best.

This is good information. Sometimes something needs to be said in 47 different ways before it sinks in, so here is another one. The benchmarks are great too as they illustrate the point and the cost analysis is different than mine was, but spot on. Both of us easily concluded that the price/performance ratio of the MP system was shit, and that many of the options he had or could remotely afford will perform substantially worse.

Azrak said:
In a nutshell...

We are dealing with problems that none of us can solve here on this forum. Finding a motherboard that fits the case is the least of them.

Well, I said that the entertainment value had run its course, but not entirely it seems.

ND40oz · May 16, 2019

I want pics, that's all I care about. You can't have a 3 week old thread about the great PC-D8000, own the case and not have any pics.

Dan_D · May 16, 2019

ND40oz said:
I want pics, that's all I care about. You can't have a 3 week old thread about the great PC-D8000, own the case and not have any pics.

I'm waiting to see it with a seven year old dual processor system in it.

BinarySynapse · May 16, 2019

ND40oz said:
I want pics, that's all I care about. You can't have a 3 week old thread about the great PC-D8000, own the case and not have any pics.

He's been talking about that case for at least 4 years now.

ND40oz · May 16, 2019

Dan_D said:
I'm waiting to see it with a seven year old dual processor system in it.

I've still got a dual clovertown in a TJ09, the good ol' days when the coolers mounted through the board and onto the motherboard tray. Cable management is crap in all of these old school cases, at least in the D8000 you have plenty room to work with though.

Eh, here's a pic just so there's actually one of a dual processor system in this thread.

Nice of photobucket to put their watermark on it 12 years later...

scharfshutze009 · May 17, 2019

bobzdar said:
Can you answer this question with a number and no text?

How many CORES do you need to accomplish your workload in a timely manner?

I don't know I can't even find my copy of True Space 3, which should be better than Bryce 3D. Also, Bryce 3D and True Space 3 should be better than Blender, but nothing is probably better than 3D studio Max and I don't know where to get 3D studio max officially. Also, I know I can usually only afford a $200 to $600 processor, so usually that's equates to only about the cheapest and slowest 4 to 6 core except that isn't the problem though and I keep telling you and everyone on here I want to know if anyone has tried an AMD Epyc board in this Lian-Li D8000 chassis because I had the Lian-Li 343B, but it could only support a single processor motherboard and I already have a single processor board in my Lian-Li A71F. Therefore, putting a single processor AMD Ryzen in my Lian-Li D8000 wouldn't make much sense if I want to get the most processing power I can using that case now would it and If I can get a dual or multi-processor board for Ryzen nobody has said they tried it in this chassis in any of the replies yet and I doubt I can because I checked newegg first, which is why I asked on here. i would have checked amazon too besides newegg, but it's harder to find true server/workstation boards let alone dual processor or multi-processor boards on amazaon let alone anywhere else without first checking the board manufacturers website and it's always difficult to find a good board that's in stock from almost any merchant.

pendragon1 · May 17, 2019

you know whats truly difficult?! trying to follow any of your walls of text. that case supports up to HPTX boards so an EATX should fit fine.

Dan_D · May 17, 2019

scharfshutze009 said:
I don't know I can't even find my copy of True Space 3, which should be better than Bryce 3D. Also, Bryce 3D and True Space 3 should be better than Blender, but nothing is probably better than 3D studio Max and I don't know where to get 3D studio max officially. Also, I know I can usually only afford a $200 to $600 processor, so usually that's equates to only about the cheapest and slowest 4 to 6 core except that isn't the problem though and I keep telling you and everyone on here I want to know if anyone has tried an AMD Epyc board in this Lian-Li D8000 chassis because I had the Lian-Li 343B, but it could only support a single processor motherboard and I already have a single processor board in my Lian-Li A71F. Therefore, putting a single processor AMD Ryzen in my Lian-Li D8000 wouldn't make much sense if I want to get the most processing power I can using that case now would it and If I can get a dual or multi-processor board for Ryzen nobody has said they tried it in this chassis in any of the replies yet and I doubt I can because I checked newegg first, which is why I asked on here. i would have checked amazon too besides newegg, but it's harder to find true server/workstation boards let alone dual processor or multi-processor boards on amazaon let alone anywhere else without first checking the board manufacturers website and it's always difficult to find a good board that's in stock from almost any merchant.

Any E-ATX, or ATX motherboard will work in that case. I don't know how many other ways there are to put that.

scharfshutze009 · May 17, 2019

ryan_975 said:
He's been talking about that case for at least 4 years now.

I've had this case, since about 2014 or 2015. However, I can't remember where i ordered it from, but it might have been FrozenCPU.com or Coolerguys.com. However, if I did order the Lian-Li D8000 from FrozenCPU or Coolerguy I probably checked out with paypal and paypal probably doesn't have my order history, but maybe I have been talking about it for 4 years now and yes i actually have it were my Supermicro SC850P4 was underneath my folding table at home and not in my apartment. It has the Gigabyte 7PESH3 Intel Socket 2011v2 compatible motherboard in it now, two Intel Xeon 2011v2 2603v2 processors, a BSD UNIX case badge showing a little daemon or devil on the front of the case, then an nvidia case badge because I want single DIN Nvidia K4000 or K3000's in it, but I'll have to settle for one k420 left from my old server using the same Gigabyte 7PESH3, and an Intel Xeon case badge instead of AMD if Epyc would have been chosen and might still be later when I can afford it as well as if anyone will tell me how well it will work in this case. Also, I don't like Lian-Li's lastest model the D600.

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