15 Years of Top GPUs - Steam Hardware Survey

AMD (well, ATI) actually looked pretty competitive at some points in there, though not recently.
 
McClintoc said:
What happened June through October 2008? Was no one buying video cards?
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maybe the stats were missing for those months or for some reason something changed in the hardware detection in steam and couldn't pick up the new 4000 series or the gtx 200 series from nvidia which both released in june of 2008.
 
Most interesting is how for a good year there intel integrated graphics dominated the charts. Must have been a popular game at that time that everyone ran on laptops..

Looks like AMD hasn't even hit 1% on a card since 2016. I was sure cards like the 580 were far more common.

That should explain the unreasonable prices we're experiencing.
 
Mode13 said:
Most interesting is how for a good year there intel integrated graphics dominated the charts. Must have been a popular game at that time that everyone ran on laptops..

Looks like AMD hasn't even hit 1% on a card since 2016. I was sure cards like the 580 were far more common.

That should explain the unreasonable prices we're experiencing.
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Prices don't excist in "limbo"....they are what the market can support, like it or not.
 
Factum said:
Prices don't excist in "limbo"....they are what the market can support, like it or not.
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K.... I've read that same statement parroted about 1000 times over on hardware forums lately but nobody provides any insight.

Show me some hard cost of goods sold compared to the msrp of a 2080 or 2080ti.

I'm open to having somebody prove that these cards are not marked up to insanity just because there is no competition, I just don't really buy it without some proof when all I get are undergrad economics lectures.
 
Mode13 said:
K.... I've read that same statement parroted about 1000 times over on hardware forums lately but nobody provides any insight.

Show me some hard cost of goods sold compared to the msrp of a 2080 or 2080ti.

I'm open to having somebody prove that these cards are not marked up to insanity just because there is no competition, I just don't really buy it without some proof when all I get are undergrad economics lectures.
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But those economic lectures ARE the proof. Diamonds aren't all that rare, but people will pay a lot for them. The Nvidia RTX cards are expensive because they CAN be, not because they MUST be.
 
After 2014, AMD has been non-existent. What happened? Most people do not buy the high end, so that is not a good argument. Why in the world are so many buying GTX 1050ti cards over RX 570 cards. Just doesn't make a lot of sense. Countries outside of the US must have some crazy prices.
 
Yes, it puzzles me too. While AMD has been behind Nvidia in pure high-end, their mid and low range cards have usually been decent.

I know some of the AMD cards have been more power hungry, but I don't think average consumers really care that much (aside from checking that their PSU can handle the card).

Otherwise I feel like AMD has had some good offerings.
 
KazeoHin said:
Remember, the high-end sells the low-end.
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I'm not so sure about that. The Mustang always did well even before the Ford GT when the Corvette and Viper were sort of Kings of the domestic sports cars.

Even from a PC perspective, Ryzen looks to be at least matching the midrange Intel offerings despite Intel having the 9900k that has no AMD CPU to match in gaming. Here AMD gets about 18% market share. This still seems small, but remember that laptops skew the results significantly. On the GPU side, it is almost laughable. The RX 570 getting 0.34% compared to the GTX 1050ti at 9.68%...Really people???
 
KazeoHin said:
But those economic lectures ARE the proof. Diamonds aren't all that rare, but people will pay a lot for them. The Nvidia RTX cards are expensive because they CAN be, not because they MUST be.
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Great way to put it. But still, per my original post, they CAN be that expensive because there is no competition forcing prices down (which I imagine you agreed with). That same level of control must also exist in the global diamond market. Lets pretend AMD had a card in their stack that directly competed with everything from the 1660 right up to the 2080Ti with comparable power consumption. The Radeon brand would grow and both companies would get into price slashing competitions just like any other market (unless they were colluding) assuming low enough manufacturing costs. Intel clearly sees this opening.

Which brings me back to what my original comment was.. AMD hasn't had a single card with even 1% share of all users doing steam surveys since at least 2016. That's a dismal slice of the consumer market assuming mostly everyone with a gaming class GPU has steam, and a representative portion does the survey. Which is why Nvidia marks up the price.

"Prices don't exist in limbo" is insinuating that within the past few years we've hit an exponential growth of inflation and/or production costs from which there is no return. Sure, GDDR6 is new and therefore more costly than a mature GDDR5, but a cut down core with 6gb of the same GDDR6 can be had for roughly $250 (1660 Ti)... How much more do people really think it costs from fab to the box for a 2080 ?
 
Mode13 said:
Great way to put it. But still, per my original post, they CAN be that expensive because there is no competition forcing prices down (which I imagine you agreed with). That same level of control must also exist in the global diamond market. Lets pretend AMD had a card in their stack that directly competed with everything from the 1660 right up to the 2080Ti with comparable power consumption. The Radeon brand would grow and both companies would get into price slashing competitions just like any other market (unless they were colluding) assuming low enough manufacturing costs. Intel clearly sees this opening.

Which brings me back to what my original comment was.. AMD hasn't had a single card with even 1% share of all users doing steam surveys since at least 2016. That's a dismal slice of the consumer market assuming mostly everyone with a gaming class GPU has steam, and a representative portion does the survey. Which is why Nvidia marks up the price.

"Prices don't exist in limbo" is insinuating that within the past few years we've hit an exponential growth of inflation and/or production costs from which there is no return. Sure, GDDR6 is new and therefore more costly than a mature GDDR5, but a cut down core with 6gb of the same GDDR6 can be had for roughly $250 (1660 Ti)... How much more do people really think it costs from fab to the box for a 2080 ?
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Silicon prices are a hell of a thing. Two microscopically identical chips from the same wafer can have different efficiencies, power curves, defects, etc. This means 'perfect' chips (top binned) are rare and their price goes up based on rarity but alway to a point to maximise profit. 1 person buying a $100000 card isn't as profitable as 10000 people buying $1000 cards, but 1000000 people buying $100 cards is LESS profitable, so the company will project the estimated number of buyers versus the price, versus how those will effect each other, versus the cost of BOM, versus the price of competing products to find a market price for their final product that maximises total profit.

the lack of competition makes that projected estimate much easier to inflate.
 
In my country, AMD and its partners are just too slow to adapt its prices accordingly.

The 250-300$ RX580 is going up against the 1660 here.

The RX580 has also been in the 300$ range since about forever. The 1060 had been undercutting it locally.

Interestingly enough, distributorship of both NV and AMD cards are held by the same few companies.

Maybe lower AMD GPU turnover means card/cost repricing doesn't happen so often, whereas the faster turnover of NV GPUs allow the partners to reprice retail SRPs accordingly in line with the new shipment costs.
 
Mode13 said:
K.... I've read that same statement parroted about 1000 times over on hardware forums lately but nobody provides any insight.

Show me some hard cost of goods sold compared to the msrp of a 2080 or 2080ti.

I'm open to having somebody prove that these cards are not marked up to insanity just because there is no competition, I just don't really buy it without some proof when all I get are undergrad economics lectures.
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Check the profit margin in their quarterly reports.
 
Nightfire said:
I'm not so sure about that. The Mustang always did well even before the Ford GT when the Corvette and Viper were sort of Kings of the domestic sports cars.

Even from a PC perspective, Ryzen looks to be at least matching the midrange Intel offerings despite Intel having the 9900k that has no AMD CPU to match in gaming. Here AMD gets about 18% market share. This still seems small, but remember that laptops skew the results significantly. On the GPU side, it is almost laughable. The RX 570 getting 0.34% compared to the GTX 1050ti at 9.68%...Really people???
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This isn't quite a fair comparison. It's more like the 5l Mustang being faster than a camero V8 will sell the 6cyl regardless of the fact the camero 6cyl is faster. (Example only, I have no idea which car is faster, I drive a truck)
 
Nightfire said:
I'm not so sure about that. The Mustang always did well even before the Ford GT when the Corvette and Viper were sort of Kings of the domestic sports cars.

Even from a PC perspective, Ryzen looks to be at least matching the midrange Intel offerings despite Intel having the 9900k that has no AMD CPU to match in gaming. Here AMD gets about 18% market share. This still seems small, but remember that laptops skew the results significantly. On the GPU side, it is almost laughable. The RX 570 getting 0.34% compared to the GTX 1050ti at 9.68%...Really people???
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i think the mining craze severely hurt AMD but at the same time who knows how many actual cards they sold during it since those will never show up in steam statistics.. i would of easily gone with the 570 or 580 over the 1050ti if it wasn't for the 200+ dollar price difference over the 1050ti during that time period.
 
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