Woot: 960 Pro 1TB NVME $250 *refurb*

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https://www.woot.com/offers/samsung-960-series-solid-state-drives?ref=w_cnt_gw_dly_wobtn

Looks like a good deal to me, even without getting the samsung warrante

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Unless you really need the extra TBW, the 970 evo plus is probably a better value (faster write speed and same 5y warranty) at the $250 price point.
Solid find though
 
that is a good point.

and I dont think you get the 5 year warranty on this due to it being a refurb...


Though I am seeing the 970 evo 1TB at closer to $300
 
Spartacus09 said:
Unless you really need the extra TBW, the 970 evo plus is probably a better value (faster write speed and same 5y warranty) at the $250 price point.
Solid find though
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The 960 Pro and 970 Evo are completely different classes of drive - the Pro can handle sustained sequential writes and write-heavy mixed workloads much better than the Evo thanks to its MLC flash, but the Evo will win under read-heavy workloads because of its better-tuned controller.
 
bwang said:
The 960 Pro and 970 Evo are completely different classes of drive - the Pro can handle sustained sequential writes and write-heavy mixed workloads much better than the Evo thanks to its MLC flash, but the Evo will win under read-heavy workloads because of its better-tuned controller.
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You sure? Samsung’s site says the 970 evo and evo plus use v-nand 3-bit mlc, and have dd4 for the cache (960 uses ddr3)
 
Definitely want MLC (Samsung Pro) drives for sustained writes. TLC (and worse) will make spinners look fast here; however, the use case for sustained writes isn't one applicable to most desktop users including enthusiasts.

Want to put a write cache in a NAS?

Found that one out the hard way :D
 
Spartacus09 said:
Then Samsung is blatantly false advertising: https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/970evoplus/
In the more specs sections of the evo and evo plus it lists the vnand mlc.

Edit: After further reading 2-bit mlc is normal mlc, 3-bit mlc is tlc, thats some shady fucking marketing on Samsung's part.
That being said the v-nand stacking does help with the endurance of the tlc.
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Samsung is all about their shady marketing. AT&T is right up there now with their "5G" and last gen when tweaked 3G became "4G".
 
brentsg said:
Samsung is all about their shady marketing. AT&T is right up there now with their "5G" and last gen when tweaked 3G became "4G".
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Shady marketing, customer service, and sales policies are the new 'in' thing since companies aren't getting in trouble. It's opening the door to third-world levels of product quality and support, which will royally suck.
 
wait, whoever posted this .... are we being punked? click baited?

I don't get it.

One of the worst SSD deals I've ever seen .....
 
SixFootDuo said:
wait, whoever posted this .... are we being punked? click baited?

I don't get it.

One of the worst SSD deals I've ever seen .....
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I have an idea of what TLC and MLC and QLC are but most other 1TB NVME SSDs are going for ~$125 so this has to be a hellava drive to make this a good deal.
 
Staples said:
I have an idea of what TLC and MLC and QLC are but most other 1TB NVME SSDs are going for ~$125 so this has to be a hellava drive to make this a good deal.
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brentsg said:
"Most other" 1TB NVMe drives are not $125. That's the bottom of the barrel.
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All of the A brand drives that are 3 Tbps+ read/write are going to be $225-250 or more range.
 
As a society, this community in particular ... we are duty bound to uplift and help others out. Your goal here should first and foremost be to help others. I see no other purpose are than the very obvious goal of trying to educate yourself in this tech game, etc.

Not to thread crap but as a community, we have to do better. We have to let this guy know there are better options in every possible shape and form out there than this deal.

I respect people that are brand oriented, even those who cannot possibly ever trust lower prices. A lot of people really do associate out of the norm pricing, lower prices, deals and the what not with cheap products. I don't know.

Yeah, not to sound like a broken record but man, this is such a terrible deal. Does anyone know this guy? I hope he didn't buy this $250 refurbished drive.

Save that $100 by getting the Inland 1tb NVMe Premium drive and put that saved $100+ inside your PC case a different way.
 
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SixFootDuo said:
As a society, this community in particular ... we are duty bound to uplift and help others out. You're goal here should first and foremost be to help others. I see no other purpose are than the very obvious goal of trying to educate yourself in this tech game, etc.

Not to thread crap but as a community, we have to do better. We have to let this guy know there are better options in every possible shape and form out there than this deal.

I respect people that are brand oriented, even those who cannot possibly ever trust lower prices. A lot of people really do associate out of the norm pricing, lower prices, deals and the what not with cheap products. I don't know.

Yeah, not to sound like a broken record but man, this is such a terrible deal. Does anyone know this guy? I hope he didn't buy this $250 refurbished drive.

Save that $100 by getting the Inland 1tb NVMe Premium drive and put that saved $100+ inside your PC case a different way.
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We will strive to teach him the google
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brentsg said:
"Most other" 1TB NVMe drives are not $125. That's the bottom of the barrel.
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Maybe most is an over statement but I would say that most people (like 95%) in the way they use their computer will not notice a difference between this drive and the 1TB M.2 Intel drive that has been selling for $115. There may be a difference in speed when a drive specific benchmark is run however real use subjects it to all other bottlenecks in one's system.
 
Staples said:
Maybe most is an over statement but I would say that most people (like 95%) in the way they use their computer will not notice a difference between this drive and the 1TB M.2 Intel drive that has been selling for $115. There may be a difference in speed when a drive specific benchmark is run however real use subjects it to all other bottlenecks in one's system.
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I mean, in all seriousness, 99% of people aren't going to notice a difference using an NVMe drive over a SATA one in day to day use. Benchmarks will say there's a massive difference, but in real world use, you're likely talking about fractions of seconds difference in load times. If you're moving huge files around all day, sure, but that's going to be very, very few people.

That said, I agree that this is a terrible deal. You can get a brand new drive for less than that on sale, and there are now many other options from non-Samsung brands out there. Anything with the new Phiason E12 controller (like the Inland drive already mentioned) is going to give you the same performance for half the price.
 
bpizzle1 said:
I mean, in all seriousness, 99% of people aren't going to notice a difference using an NVMe drive over a SATA one in day to day use. Benchmarks will say there's a massive difference, but in real world use, you're likely talking about fractions of seconds difference in load times. If you're moving huge files around all day, sure, but that's going to be very, very few people.

That said, I agree that this is a terrible deal. You can get a brand new drive for less than that on sale, and there are now many other options from non-Samsung brands out there. Anything with the new Phiason E12 controller (like the Inland drive already mentioned) is going to give you the same performance for half the price.
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$250 for a 1TB NVMe is definitely a terrible deal. Given the landscape of available options, I don't think there's any real way to argue that it is worth paying that much. There are faster or similar speed drives available for much less money, and good quality drives can be had for a little over $100.

I think in general you are correct that most / 99% of people are not going to notice the difference between NVMe and SATA in a vacuum. However, the differences are apparent in more than just benchmarks in several real world situations. I'm currently playing Borderlands 2 co-op with my wife. We're sitting in the same room and have relatively comparable systems. The biggest difference is that I have a 480GB NVMe that's on the faster end of the NVMe spectrum and she is running a 480GB SATA 2.5" SSD that's middle of the pack in terms of SSD speed. I consistently load levels 1-2 full seconds before her, regardless of which of us is hosting. We see similar results in other games we play co-op. Dying light, L4D 2 and others. I'll get into the game a bit faster. It is never more than a few seconds difference, though.

I also load faster than virtually everyone when I'm in a CS:GO lobby and we switch to another map. I'll be the first one in against all bots in the warmup, until the bots are gradually replaced by players who finally have loaded (I'm talking a casual mode lobby that has 10-20 people). I'm assuming the players who take 10 or 20 or 30 seconds longer to load are using mechanical drives, maybe of the 5400rpm variety, but in general I'm the first one in and a few seconds ahead of what I assume are SSD users.

The difference isn't there in all games or scenarios, but it is more than fractions of a second in more than just a handful of situations. The key to witnessing the difference is having a good point of reference that takes human reactions out of the equation.

I'll wrap up by saying I paid about $100 for my 480GB NVMe and I would gladly trade it straight up for a 1TB slightly slower Intel NVMe. For me, having more space for software is more important than loading a level a couple of seconds faster.
 
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