Facebook Bans White Nationalism and White Separatism

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https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...k-bans-white-nationalism-and-white-separatism

"After a civil rights backlash, Facebook will now treat white nationalism and separatism the same as white supremacy, and will direct users who try to post that content to a nonprofit that helps people leave hate groups."

I'm curious to see what actual effect this might have. Considering their included caveat about 'coded' messages, I'm suspecting that very little will actually change.
 
Facebook should just point radicals to the dark web directly since that is all they are doing.
 
Well, one could easily argue that Facebook is being racist here. They specifically mentioned that they will not be banning black separatist groups, or Basque separatist groups. Only white groups are being targeted by this change. Saying some groups are allowed to espouse certain policies that favor their group, while other groups are not allowed to espouse the same policies, only to favor their group, is obviously biased.
 
maxius said:
/care they own the platform and can decide the f*ck they want to do with it for example what kyle mis doing to hardocp/hardforum he owns it can do w/e he wants
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But it's the cenzorships by teh ebil libby lib lib ivorty tower tech l337's!

Whatever. Unless you want the gubbermint to take over the facebookz, they can do what they want as a business. Kind of like the people who concealed carry whine about business owners exercising their property rights to say concealed carry is not allowed, it's dumb.
 
Inglix_the_Mad said:
But it's the cenzorships by teh ebil libby lib lib ivorty tower tech l337's!

Whatever. Unless you want the gubbermint to take over the facebookz, they can do what they want as a business. Kind of like the people who concealed carry whine about business owners exercising their property rights to say concealed carry is not allowed, it's dumb.
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/care /thead
 
HAL_404 said:
suddenly it dawned on me that you're right, Facebook is "Tech" so I'd have to say yes, it's tech news as long as the comments don't veer off into racism land
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Are you giving points cause I want some of that action if you are :sneaky:
 
Guarana [BAWLS] said:
It is political, sure, but is it not news?
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(1) Absolutely NO FLAMING, NAME CALLING OR PERSONAL ATTACKS, NO TROLLING. Mutual respect and civilized conversation is the required norm, this includes personal attacks in signatures. NO POLITICAL DISCUSSION OUTSIDE OF THE SOAPBOX SUBFORUM.http://hardforum.com/account/upgrades

As soon as it crosses that line this thread is done. I'd also be careful how close to the sun you fly because you could burn down this entire experiment.
 
Inglix_the_Mad said:
But it's the cenzorships by teh ebil libby lib lib ivorty tower tech l337's!

Whatever. Unless you want the gubbermint to take over the facebookz, they can do what they want as a business. Kind of like the people who concealed carry whine about business owners exercising their property rights to say concealed carry is not allowed, it's dumb.
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Well, by that definition, the "news" stations can report anything that they want anyway they like since, you know, it is their business and they can run it anyway they like.
 
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ManofGod said:
Well, by that definition, the "news" stations can report anything that they want anyway they like since, you know, it is their business and they can run it anyway they like.
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I am pretty sure they do now. Almost every news channel is full of personal slant rather then just the facts anymore. I think most of it has to do with how few companies own the media now.
 
There's many kinds of Caucasians tho, so white is literally the majority of any race label. This is all really silly.
 
Shouldn't they just try and figure out truth algorithms etc when someone posts something racist or whatever and black ball it?
I dunno
You'd think these guys would be smart enough for this
 
Why don't they just ban all Supremacist groups? Making a statement limited to "White" supremacist groups just invites calls of bias as it insinuates that this is only a White issue ... or worse, that they find that non-White supremacist groups acceptable.
 
Taldren said:
Why don't they just ban all Supremacist groups? Making a statement limited to "White" supremacist groups just invites calls of bias as it insinuates that this is only a White issue ... or worse, that they find that non-White supremacist groups acceptable.
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completely agree but it's easy media advertising.. say you're getting rid of "white" supremacist groups from facebook instant 15 minute news discussion on national tv.. say you're getting rid of all supremacist and separatist groups 5 second news item and everyone pulls out their pitch forks about suppressing free speech. that's the world we live in now.
 
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I think if the advertisers started distancing themselves because of the rampant black hate speech Facebook would intervene there as well.
 
Will they do the same for black pride and black nationalism?
With he exception for 2 places. all the places i have worked in the states black people acted whey more racist than anything else.but it was ok they are black.
had a black manager tell a white worker it was ok that a black worker was acting out on him because she was black (almost a direct quote)

I hate this change about me, but after working in the states i to a degree understand people having a hard time hiring black people... :(
and it hurt the black person that is tactfully acting and is perfect for a position to be colored by all others. But statistic are statistics and ima use the ones I have gained by experience.

im all in for working against racism. buts its a twoway street and it should cover all races just not the media popular ones.
 
Funny how it's bad when a minority (under 10% of world population) has a pride movement but okay when the majorities do on these platforms.
 
N4CR said:
Funny how it's bad when a minority (under 10% of world population) has a pride movement but okay when the majorities do on these platforms.
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What do you mean by minorities? And can't majorities be proud? What does that take away from the minorities?
 
Guarana [BAWLS] said:
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...k-bans-white-nationalism-and-white-separatism

"After a civil rights backlash, Facebook will now treat white nationalism and separatism the same as white supremacy, and will direct users who try to post that content to a nonprofit that helps people leave hate groups."

I'm curious to see what actual effect this might have. Considering their included caveat about 'coded' messages, I'm suspecting that very little will actually change.
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The actual extremist groups are all over FB & Twitter. It's people with High visibility or followers That are Right of Mao, that get banned.
 
SvenBent said:
Hate speech reported...
You are offending me by generalizing me... or something
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Or *not* generalizing enough. lol

For example: I'm Russian. To the US I'm "white". There's people who are like 5 mixes and others who are 50/50, all still fall under "white". Why? And more importantly, why is "white" such a bad and evil majority if it covers such a diverse and broad range of people?

I guess it's hard to push an agenda if you don't have a popular villain? (I'm at least happy to not see as many "Russian" bad guys in hollywood films..)
 
greenman said:
Or *not* generalizing enough. lol

For example: I'm Russian. To the US I'm "white". There's people who are like 5 mixes and others who are 50/50, all still fall under "white". Why? And more importantly, why is "white" such a bad and evil majority if it covers such a diverse and broad range of people?

I guess it's hard to push an agenda if you don't have a popular villain? (I'm at least happy to not see as many "Russian" bad guys in hollywood films..)
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Perfect example -- I would respect these tech companies a lot more if they were consistent in their approach. Why should they allow certain violent extremist groups but not others?
 
I hope Facebook keeps thrashing around in the censorship swamp. The more groups they ban, the more data generators move to other platforms. Similar to Verizon/Yahoo/Tumbler's war on porn. When the ad money stops growing and user count starts really shrinking, FB stock will likely implode.

OTOH, if you want to dump FB fast and easy, start posting support documents for your local KKK branch.
 
N4CR said:
Funny how it's bad when a minority (under 10% of world population) has a pride movement but okay when the majorities do on these platforms.
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Well, when you break the world population down:

Region Number Percentage
Asia 4,307,107,875 60.3%
Africa 1,037,524,058 14.5%
Europe 816,426,346 11.4%
North America 544,620,340 7.6%
South America 400,067,694 5.6%
Oceania 35,426,995 0.5%
Antarctica 11,969 0.00002%
Total 7,141,174,477 100.0%​

... things don't really add up the way you are insinuating.

Also, there is a big difference between 'pride' and 'Supremacy'. Then again, I am not sure others know the difference when saying "It's O.K. to be white." is considered a hate crime incident.
 
Pyromaneyakk said:
Perfect example -- I would respect these tech companies a lot more if they were consistent in their approach. Why should they allow certain violent extremist groups but not others?
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Agreed. But I am pretty sure they will ban any hate groups. All the news post was saying was that white nationalists groups will be considered the same as white supremacy groups, and thus banned as hate groups. Those groups probably trying to fly under the ban radar by calling themselves "nationalists" instead of "supremacists". Likely they found the same hate rhetoric in these newly banned groups, and thus banned them.

Agree completely that any other hate groups should face the same bans. Not aware of any, but if there were black supremacist (hate) groups, or any other, they should face the same bans.

Much of you seem to be assuming that only the white-based hate groups are being banned, haven't seen evidence of that myself. But I don't scour facebook trying to find black hate groups either... I can't imagine those would be allowed.
 
I hope someone create new social media platform with free speech as long you want. Maybe with small monthly fee for membership that allow you speak freely as much you can.

Vote Trump 2020.
 
ManofGod said:
Well, by that definition, the "news" stations can report anything that they want anyway they like since, you know, it is their business and they can run it anyway they like.
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Uh they've already been doing that for a couple decades. 23/7 talking heads posing as journalists/news telling people what to think, with 1 hour dedicated to actual news, that is only slightly more restrictive. But they blend them both together so most people don't even realize they are being fed opinions as facts, not any actual facts....... This is one of the biggest problems in the country that needs to be addressed, followed by money in politics and gerrymandering.....

Taldren said:
Why don't they just ban all Supremacist groups? Making a statement limited to "White" supremacist groups just invites calls of bias as it insinuates that this is only a White issue ... or worse, that they find that non-White supremacist groups acceptable.
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How many shootings/terrorist attacks have any of the other 'supremacist' groups performed here? It's not even a blip on the scale compared to the group they banned.

N4CR said:
Funny how it's bad when a minority (under 10% of world population) has a pride movement but okay when the majorities do on these platforms.
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Huh? It has nothing to do with pride, they are banning groups that have been inciting violence.... You want to go form a group to pat yourself on the back based on race, go right ahead. But if that group starts shooting up/sending bombs (or even just encouraging the action) to people of other races/religions/political beliefs, then you should be banned.
 
Biznatch said:
How many shootings/terrorist attacks have any of the other 'supremacist' groups performed here? It's not even a blip on the scale compared to the group they banned.



Huh? It has nothing to do with pride, they are banning groups that have been inciting violence.... You want to go form a group to pat yourself on the back based on race, go right ahead. But if that group starts shooting up/sending bombs (or even just encouraging the action) to people of other races/religions/political beliefs, then you should be banned.
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It's like people ignore the fact that groups like Antifa, Occupy Wall Street, BLM, etc. ever existed or incited violence/public inconvenience, but hey, as long as they go along with your political persuasion it makes it ok...
 
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