Can i9 9980XE be cooled with Be-Quiet Silent Loop 360?

I intend to buy a new system, based on the i9 9980XE. I want to have at least all cores running at 4.0 Ghz. As it is, I heard you can't even get all cores to run at 3.8 Ghz (as Intel prettty much 'cheated' on the TDP, as it needs far more than 165W for that).

So, tl;dr, can it be done with this AIO water cooler? https://www.bequiet.com/en/watercooler/1094

I'm not that good with custom loops, so i prefer a (silent) AIO solution.

Thanks.

This might be a good use for one of the EKWB 'I can't believe it's not an AIO' kits https://www.ekwb.com/solutions/all-in-one/ - if you can afford the i9-9980XE (why do you want one, anyway?) the EKWB kit should be a drop in the bucket in comparison. It's only a 240mm radiator, but it has a heck of a lot more pump than the AIO's. Even a 240mm can move a ton of heat with the right fans.
If you are only going for 4GHz, I would also strongly consider a Threadripper - almost the entire value of the i9 line lies in being able to pull of 4.6+ GHz. If you lock the cores at 4GHz, you lose turbo unless you put in a ton of effort to tune the turbo bins just right (it's really hard to get the voltages right in general, and will take days on a 18c processor).
On the other hand, if you are in the business of buying i9's because they are fast and you have cash to burn, or if you have an application specifically tuned for Intel's architectures (finance, some HPC) I would also consider the Xeon W-3175X, which is actually only a bit more than the i9 on the processor side of things. However, the boards are expensive and availability is...poor, but you might be able to pull some strings with one of the boutique workstation builders and get your hands on one.

bwang said:

This might be a good use for one of the EKWB 'I can't believe it's not an AIO' kits https://www.ekwb.com/solutions/all-in-one/ - if you can afford the i9-9980XE (why do you want one, anyway?) the EKWB kit should be a drop in the bucket in comparison. It's only a 240mm radiator, but it has a heck of a lot more pump than the AIO's. Even a 240mm can move a ton of heat with the right fans.

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Thanks for your reply.

Noise is a consdideration for me too. I don't want a vacuum cleaner in my case, per se. That semi-AIO thing you least looks like a hulluva cooling system, though.

I want an i9-9980XE, btw, because I do a lot of video (x264) rendering. Last job I did, a few days ago, took a whole of 80+ hours (on an i7 6700K @ 4.5 Ghz). That's just taking too long.

If you are only going for 4GHz, I would also strongly consider a Threadripper - almost the entire value of the i9 line lies in being able to pull of 4.6+ GHz. If you lock the cores at 4GHz, you lose turbo unless you put in a ton of effort to tune the turbo bins just right (it's really hard to get the voltages right in general, and will take days on a 18c processor).

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A 4 Ghz 'all-core' is the absolute minimum for me (because I want a system that's at least 4x faster than my current one). Preferably faster than 4 Ghz, of course, but I heard the heat is a real issue on the i9 9980XE.

On the other hand, if you are in the business of buying i9's because they are fast and you have cash to burn, or if you have an application specifically tuned for Intel's architectures (finance, some HPC) I would also consider the Xeon W-3175X, which is actually only a bit more than the i9 on the processor side of things. However, the boards are expensive and availability is...poor, but you might be able to pull some strings with one of the boutique workstation builders and get your hands on one.

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Don't think I haven't considered it. But the power consumption on that Xeon is insane, you kinda need a dual PSU, a water cooling system (the only one available so far) that won't even ship outside the US, and a motherboard that's almost impossible to come by, so far. And yeah, the motherboard alone for that is over $2,000.

If you are targeting encoding specifically, I think the 2990WX might be suitable as well, but the exact scaling will depend on your workflow. It's certainly possible to encode videos at incredibly high speed on a 2990WX, but if you are doing this professionally it might not be worth adding an extra step.
What about a used dual V3 system? You can get a pair of 2696 V3's (18c, 2.8GHz all cores), a motherboard, and 64GB of RAM for about the price of the 9980XE - the 2696 V3's are not as fast in single threaded tasks, but you can cool them with a dinky $30 air cooler and a pair of them should outrun the 9980XE if your workload scales to two sockets.
The 2696's are probably straight-up slower than an overclocked 2990WX in a lot of applications, but the 2990WX is a cooling nightmare, especially at high clock speeds.

meimeiriver2 said:

I intend to buy a new system, based on the i9 9980XE. I want to have at least all cores running at 4.0 Ghz. As it is, I heard you can't even get all cores to run at 3.8 Ghz (as Intel prettty much 'cheated' on the TDP, as it needs far more than 165W for that).

So, tl;dr, can it be done with this AIO water cooler? https://www.bequiet.com/en/watercooler/1094

I'm not that good with custom loops, so i prefer a (silent) AIO solution.

Thanks.

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All AIO's are pretty much not great. That being said, for reliability, not to mention your own sanity, I would stick with an Asetek based AIO. The NZXT Kraken X72 or the Corsair H115i Platinum are great choices. If you can tolerate an air cooler then the Thermalright Silver Arrow or one of the Noctua coolers are also a great choice. I'm actually using a H115i on a Threadripper 1950X and it's working great, and have one on my 7900X.

More importantly, what motherboard are you using for this?

STEM said:

All AIO's are pretty much not great. That being said, for reliability, not to mention your own sanity, I would stick with an Asetek based AIO. The NZXT Kraken X72 or the Corsair H115i Platinum are great choices. If you can tolerate an air cooler then the Thermalright Silver Arrow or one of the Noctua coolers are also a great choice. I'm actually using a H115i on a Threadripper 1950X and it's working great, and have one on my 7900X.

More importantly, what motherboard are you using for this?

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I was thinking of using this board: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-X299-DELUXE-II/

I was, i n fact, thinking about air cooling first; like with the https://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/1378

People told me the Dark Rock 4 Pro wouldn't be able to cool an i9 9980XE @ 4 Ghz 'all-core' though; hence I'm looking into water. Looking a bwang's post, though, I might even go for a quad-CPU socket motherboard, like his Supermicro X9QR7-TF+. That would make per-CPU cooling a lot easier.

meimeiriver2 said:

I was thinking of using this board: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-X299-DELUXE-II/

I was, i n fact, thinking about air cooling first; like with the https://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/1378

People told me the Dark Rock 4 Pro wouldn't be able to cool an i9 9980XE @ 4 Ghz 'all-core' though; hence I'm looking into water. Looking a bwang's post, though, I might even go for a quad-CPU socket motherboard, like his Supermicro X9QR7-TF+. That would make per-CPU cooling a lot easier.

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I have that board, bought it based on the [H] review, but I didn't get a chance to install it yet. Honestly, I believe that it's the best X299 motherboard you can buy right, all things considered. You get proper x16 - x16 - x8 configuration and 3 x M.2 slots and you still get to use all SATA ports.

That being said, I'm also an AMD fan, and I'm working on a 2950X workstation as well, air cooled with a Noctua push-pull heatsink.

Unless you absolutely have to have Intel, the 2950X is a awesome all-rounder. This is the motherboard I got for the 2950X: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-Zenith-Extreme-Alpha/

bwang said:

This might be a good use for one of the EKWB 'I can't believe it's not an AIO' kits https://www.ekwb.com/solutions/all-in-one/ - if you can afford the i9-9980XE (why do you want one, anyway?) the EKWB kit should be a drop in the bucket in comparison. It's only a 240mm radiator, but it has a heck of a lot more pump than the AIO's. Even a 240mm can move a ton of heat with the right fans.

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A most peculiar site. It seems they have removed/discontinued their 360mm rad. Pretty sad, is it got glowing reviews, like https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/ek_mlc_phoenix_360_aio_cpu_gpu_liquid_cooling_review,10.html

meimeiriver2 said:

A most peculiar site. It seems they have removed/discontinued their 360mm rad. Pretty sad, is it got glowing reviews, like https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/ek_mlc_phoenix_360_aio_cpu_gpu_liquid_cooling_review,10.html

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The only time I check out guru3d.com is if I can't find any decent pictures and/or reviews of some piece of hardware. They seem to give an award to about anyone who will send them hardware to review.

meimeiriver2 what's your use case for that CPU if you don't mind me asking? Because I'm sure that if you wanted to build a system with all the bells and whistles to show of, then you would have gone for the ASUS Rampage VI Extreme or the Extreme Omega motherboard, depending on how many PCI-E slots you need.

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The only time I check out guru3d.com is if I can't find any decent pictures and/or reviews of some piece of hardware. They seem to give an award to about anyone who will send them hardware to review.

meimeiriver2 what's your use case for that CPU if you don't mind me asking? Because I'm sure that if you wanted to build a system with all the bells and whistles to show of, then you would have gone for the ASUS Rampage VI Extreme or the Extreme Omega motherboard, depending on how many PCI-E slots you need.

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For the white ASUS 299 Prime Deluxe II motherboard, I was thinking of this case: http://www.lian-li.com/pc-o11-dynamic/ It has enough room for 2x 360mm rads. And I've reached an age, LOL, where I don't necessarily want to show off, but still want a styllish computer on my desk; like maybe https://www.gigabyte.com/Chassis/GB-C200G#kf Or, if I plan to go real fancy, the http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Elite.html (the latter could hold an EEB board with the 28-core Xenon, plus dual PSU).