The Outer Worlds (New Obsidian RPG)

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Obsidian sent out a new tweet stating that it is going to launch on both the Epic Game Store and Windows Store. Makes it a little better, I guess? But why launch on the Microsoft Store when they take the same 30% cut as Steam? At least on Steam your share goes up the more you sell.

https://archive.fo/qXrLJ
 
Obsidian sent out a new tweet stating that it is going to launch on both the Epic Game Store and Windows Store. Makes it a little better, I guess? But why launch on the Microsoft Store when they take the same 30% cut as Steam? At least on Steam your share goes up the more you sell.

https://archive.fo/qXrLJ

Because they're hypocrites and they're owned by Microsoft. Its the same situation with Ubisoft's Division2 being Uplay and Epic exclusive.
 
Maybe if Steam keeps getting anally decimated by Epic and publishers who are tired of their bullshit, Steam will actually have to do something to compete??? To make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs.
 
Epic Store is taking over the gaming world!...good for them...you need to play dirty to compete with a juggernaut like Steam
 
I surprised that people are still refusing to install the Epic Launcher...the launcher is adding new features and will soon be just as feature rich as Steam, Origin etc...Epic outlined the next six months worth of features for the new launcher...the roadmap includes achievements, cloud saves and more...what are people still complaining about??

https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap
 
I surprised that people are still refusing to install the Epic Launcher...the launcher is adding new features and will soon be just as feature rich as Steam, Origin etc...Epic outlined the next six months worth of features for the new launcher...the roadmap includes achievements, cloud saves and more...what are people still complaining about??

https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap

I have the launcher from when I played Fortnite and have spent money on their store, the point is not the launcher itself. It's that they are making games exclusive there. I won't be buying Outer Worlds as I didn't buy Metro Exodus even though I had a Steam preorder, ended up cancelling it. I won't be buying any games where publishers made exclusivity deals, I think it is bad practice for PC gaming. I wish more games would come to GOG, I really am tired of DRM launchers. Though Steam is the most tolerable.
 
Some of you guys are awfully triggered by the concept of competition...

Epic is giving developers bigger cuts of the profits on their own titles in order to increase penetration of Epic's new platform. A platform that exists after years of criticisms of the overwhelmingly dominant Steam.

It's not anything as severe as console exclusivity either.... I mean who exactly can suddenly not play it? They didn't remove access from anyone.
 
Some of you guys are awfully triggered by the concept of competition...

Epic is giving developers bigger cuts of the profits on their own titles in order to increase penetration of Epic's new platform. A platform that exists after years of criticisms of the overwhelmingly dominant Steam.

It's not anything as severe as console exclusivity either.... I mean who exactly can suddenly not play it? They didn't remove access from anyone.

Its not competition when they have a monopoly on access and pricing. The new deal with Epic and Humble will change that, maybe. These exclusives kill price competition. I have far more options on where to buy a game for Steam or Origin (and somewhat still for Uplay games) than Epic.
 
Its not competition when they have a monopoly on access and pricing. The new deal with Epic and Humble will change that, maybe. These exclusives kill price competition. I have far more options on where to buy a game for Steam or Origin (and somewhat still for Uplay games) than Epic.

Epic seems to be doing a lot of good things but everyone is so focused on this silly exclusivity aspect...now with the Humble partnership this only gives consumers more options...I'm happy to see Epic compete with Steam
 
Some of you guys are awfully triggered by the concept of competition...

Epic is giving developers bigger cuts of the profits on their own titles in order to increase penetration of Epic's new platform. A platform that exists after years of criticisms of the overwhelmingly dominant Steam.

It's not anything as severe as console exclusivity either.... I mean who exactly can suddenly not play it? They didn't remove access from anyone.

This isn't competition. Competition would be putting the game on every launcher and seeing where it sells best based on what people what the store offers their customers. Could be the store has more features or offers their games DRM free, or players just have most their games on the store and rather keep their library in one place. Soon we will see games on stores having exclusive DLC and shit. Imagine if Metro Exodus launched on Epic store, but then down the line came out on Steam, then they added Steam Exclusive expansion packs, while most people already have the game on Epic store, this will be abused in the future, I can guarantee it. We already have seen this on consoles.
 
This isn't competition. Competition would be putting the game on every launcher and seeing where it sells best based on what people what the store offers their customers. Could be the store has more features or offers their games DRM free, or players just have most their games on the store and rather keep their library in one place.

one minute you say it's not about the launcher and then next minute you say it is about the launcher...c'mon it's obvious some people just have some irrational fear of installing another digital platform
 
one minute you say it's not about the launcher and then next minute you say it is about the launcher...c'mon it's obvious some people just have some irrational fear of installing another digital platform

I did mean to say Store, the sentence doesn't actually make sense with launcher there, I think I had the stupid launcher on my mind. Not saying Epic launcher is stupid or steam Launcher is stupid, it depends what people like. I really like GOG since there is no launcher needed.
 
Its not competition when they have a monopoly on access and pricing. The new deal with Epic and Humble will change that, maybe. These exclusives kill price competition. I have far more options on where to buy a game for Steam or Origin (and somewhat still for Uplay games) than Epic.

While I tend to agree that availability on multiple storefronts is beneficial for price purposes, the reality was that it wasn't happening. For the large majority of titles on pc, your choice of platform has been one. This is just a different... one.

Maybe when the Epic store becomes more established and Steam (and hopefully others) become more interested in competing in revenue share we will truly see more options for purchasing avenues.

I truly think this market disruption can only be a boon in the near term.
 
I'm not sure how it can be a boon in the near term at all. There is no price competition for those exclusive games. On Origin and Steam there absolutely is price competition, especially after a a game's release period of a couple months in the name of 3rd party key sellers.
 
I'm not sure how it can be a boon in the near term at all. There is no price competition for those exclusive games. On Origin and Steam there absolutely is price competition, especially after a a game's release period of a couple months in the name of 3rd party key sellers.

I'm not expecting any deep sales on these exclusives until other stores are able to sell the games. There's no competition the first year.
 
Valve is partially to blame for the fragmentation. 15 years ago it was fine to take a 30% cut as bandwidth was expensive back then and most devs/publishers did not have the kind of global networking infrastructure you need to distribute games online to millions of people.

Nowadays with CDNs (content delivery networks) and more efficient ISP peering among other improvements, the cost of bandwidth has dropped over the past decade to the point where other publishers are questioning why Valve is still taking such a huge cut. Valve should have been decreasing their take gradually over the years if they were serious about decreasing fragmentation.

Instead they were stubborn about it and only drove other big publishers away. And to make things worse when they did eventually implement a scaling down of their cut, it only applied to games earning 10mil+, completely dismissing the indie devs who needed the most help.

Somewhere about 12-15% would be a lot more reasonable and not drive other publishers away, and not leave a big hole in the market for struggling indie devs who could easily be paid a lump sum for exclusivity.
 
I read the Epic Store news and thought: "Good for them!".

Whatever makes them the most money so we keep getting original games like this....
 
Wait 12 months and get it on Steam if you care that much. This will be the norm until people stop making a big deal over the Epic client, after that they probably won't bother with the Steam release at all. 1-2 years from now most people will have moved on and won't think twice about using it much like Uplay/Origin. Unless Valve makes massive strides to keep developers on their platform get used to this. Most games that won't be coming to the Epic store will go to their own store like new Bethsada games. Rage 2 won't be on either Steam or Epic if I recall.

The mental gymnastics some seem to be using here to deny this is a bit silly. If I recall people made the argument that no one will buy something on the Epic store because the install base was for Fortnite, a free to play game. And this install pay doesn't pay large amounts of money. But at the same time that free to play game has given Epic so much money that they are somehow able to "bribe" developers to put games on their store as exclusives. Talk about contradictory logic.

In other news, Metro Exodus on Epic outsells Last Light on Steam by 2.5 times over the same period:
https://www.vg247.com/2019/03/20/metro-exodus-sales-launch-week-epic-games-store-ll/

As I predicted the game would sell just fine. Whatever minority of players didn't purchase the game because the Steam release date was pushed back didn't make much of a difference. The loss was likely equalized when considering the fee differences.

Also keep in mind that excludes the Steam pre-orders which eat into some of the possible Epic store sales.
 
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Still a buy for me. I mean people thought that Metro Last Light would do poorly. It actually sold more copies on the Epic store then the last game.

Don't get me wrong I blame steam as much as epic on this. Steam still charges a 30% cut for games, epic is 12%.....So I mean blame those 2 teams....I don't blame the developers
 
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My take on game stores is the same as my take on video cards, CPUs and everything else. Whoever delivers to me the best bang for the buck, gets my money.

Other than the Steam sales which are years later on now decrepit games (which I might still sometimes buy), Steam hasn't offered anything original or interesting to me at all. Heck I remember when I paid the same price for games and got a box, discs, manual and maybe some extra loot. Now it's a digital download over your own internet connection but the same price or higher price.

If the game makers can save some money by moving to another game store, I'd rather the devs / publishers get the money to reinvest in making more games, than to let Steam get the cash for no reason.

If the publisher saves money, they make more games, we all win!
 
In other news, Metro Exodus on Epic outsells Last Light on Steam by 2.5 times over the same period:
https://www.vg247.com/2019/03/20/metro-exodus-sales-launch-week-epic-games-store-ll/

In other news, Witcher 3 outsold Witcher2 in its first few weeks of sale. Film at 11.

In other words, big deal. What was the PR budget for Exodus vs Last Light? Maybe the game is more famous now after the 2nd game so the 3rd sells more? I'm sure the hype from nvidia's rtx tie in didnt help either. All the controversy got the game's name in the news more too. On release Last Light was more niche and not as well known. Similar to Witcher3 vs 2. 3rd game is the charm, with lots and lots of PR campaigns.
 
In other news, Witcher 3 outsold Witcher2 in its first few weeks of sale. Film at 11.

In other words, big deal. What was the PR budget for Exodus vs Last Light? Maybe the game is more famous now after the 2nd game so the 3rd sells more? I'm sure the hype from nvidia's rtx tie in didnt help either. All the controversy got the game's name in the news more too. On release Last Light was more niche and not as well known. Similar to Witcher3 vs 2. 3rd game is the charm, with lots and lots of PR campaigns.

Half the people complaining on this forum were convinced it would loose ~50% or more of sales due to the platform change. If that were the case the sales would be roughly on par with LL, which certainly would have been a major setback. More brand recognition, likely larger budget and whatnot. But it went ahead and sold as expected. So yes it is news for the "Steam or death cult". For everyone else, water is wet.

Essentially this happened:

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In other news, Witcher 3 outsold Witcher2 in its first few weeks of sale. Film at 11.

In other words, big deal. What was the PR budget for Exodus vs Last Light? Maybe the game is more famous now after the 2nd game so the 3rd sells more? I'm sure the hype from nvidia's rtx tie in didnt help either. All the controversy got the game's name in the news more too. On release Last Light was more niche and not as well known. Similar to Witcher3 vs 2. 3rd game is the charm, with lots and lots of PR campaigns.

the fact that Exodus sold more then twice the amount of Last Light during the same period of time is a HUGE deal...HUGE...Witcher 2 to 3 is not the same at all because it sold on the same platforms...switching to a new platform that a lot of people said they would boycott shows most people lied or plain just don't care which gaming platform it was on as long as the game is excellent...cheers to PC gamers all over the world for doing the right thing!
 
Obsidian sent out a new tweet stating that it is going to launch on both the Epic Game Store and Windows Store. Makes it a little better, I guess? But why launch on the Microsoft Store when they take the same 30% cut as Steam? At least on Steam your share goes up the more you sell.

https://archive.fo/qXrLJ

Given the choice, I'll take Epic Games Store over Microsoft's dumpster fire store front every time!
 
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the fact that Exodus sold more then twice the amount of Last Light during the same period of time is a HUGE deal...HUGE...Witcher 2 to 3 is not the same at all because it sold on the same platforms...switching to a new platform that a lot of people said they would boycott shows most people lied or plain just don't care which gaming platform it was on as long as the game is excellent...cheers to PC gamers all over the world for doing the right thing!

It means nothing unless you know how many it would have sold if it was on steam, most games that aren't complete shit outsell their predecessor. The only important question is how many sales they lost by having it an exclusive and whether that is covered by the bribe.

Paying for exclusives is a shitty anti-competitive practice and anyone that supports a company like that deserves what they'll eventually get when the company realizes their goal of pushing out any competition. If they had instead tried to create a better client/service(steam sets the standard but has plenty of ways that it could be improved) and sweetened the deal with a lower commission that they encourage publishers to pass on I'd be cheering them on but as it is I just hope they go away and certainly won't be buying anything there.
 
the fact that Exodus sold more then twice the amount of Last Light during the same period of time is a HUGE deal...HUGE...Witcher 2 to 3 is not the same at all because it sold on the same platforms...switching to a new platform that a lot of people said they would boycott shows most people lied or plain just don't care which gaming platform it was on as long as the game is excellent...cheers to PC gamers all over the world for doing the right thing!

Then why don't they release the raw numbers? For both EGS and the Steam pre-orders too. You guys are acting as if nothing has changed since LL came out in 2013 or so. That it hasn't had the redux versions, promotions on Steam, GOG, and consoles thus promoting the brand even more. Combine that with more PR money the the RTX tie in (free copies with cards too). I got damn near sick of hearing "There is ONLY METRO..." in the ad tagline on twitch streams.

Next we'll hear Division2 sold 1.5x more copies on EGS than Div1 did! elsewhere on its release. Ignoring that many peope pre-ordered the game via uplay or 3rd party sites.
 
It means nothing unless you know how many it would have sold if it was on steam, most games that aren't complete shit outsell their predecessor. The only important question is how many sales they lost by having it an exclusive and whether that is covered by the bribe.

Paying for exclusives is a shitty anti-competitive practice and anyone that supports a company like that deserves what they'll eventually get when the company realizes their goal of pushing out any competition. If they had instead tried to create a better client/service(steam sets the standard but has plenty of ways that it could be improved) and sweetened the deal with a lower commission that they encourage publishers to pass on I'd be cheering them on but as it is I just hope they go away and certainly won't be buying anything there.

Epic is trying to get customers...it's as simple as that...paying for exclusives is something they feel they have to do to get new customers from the Steam monopoly...plus they give developers a bigger cut and they charged $10 less for Exodus then Steam did...I don't see how anyone cannot support that practice...instead of being so caught up in the exclusivity part of it look at the bigger picture...there's nothing wrong with what Epic is doing...I would do the same if I were opening up a new store...you want to undercut the competition...AMD has been doing that for years trying to keep up with Nvidia...consoles have been doing that for years as well

Nioh was a PS4 exclusive for awhile, Rise of the Tomb Raider an Xbox exclusive for a few months before coming to PC, Detroit: Become Human etc...as far as Exodus, selling 2.5x the amount of copies in the same time frame as the previous does say a lot...it's not a given that a new game will outsell the last by 2.5x, especially one selling on a new digital storefront...it's a huge win for Epic...and I haven't even mentioned the free games that they've been giving out once a month for the next year
 
I surprised that people are still refusing to install the Epic Launcher...the launcher is adding new features and will soon be just as feature rich as Steam, Origin etc...Epic outlined the next six months worth of features for the new launcher...the roadmap includes achievements, cloud saves and more...what are people still complaining about??

https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap

The Epic Store itself is whatever. Its fine and they're going to add stuff as time goes on. It's Epic themselves that a lot of people have problems with and how they've handled some of these exclusives. Tying up Metro a few weeks before release, throwing money at Phoenix Point to the point where they broke their promises to backers, the whole privacy issue. Epic has some shit to work on as far as their business practices go beyond the store itself.
 
It means nothing unless you know how many it would have sold if it was on steam...

Clearly the difference was small. It sold better than its predecessor by a very large margin. If it had sold worse or sales numbers were notable lower than expected you'd have a point. But the market has spoken and it turns out they really don't care. This was the worst time to release on Epic as well. Once most of the useful features of Steam are added into it over the next few months are more AAA games come to the store there will be even less people actively avoiding it.

Paying for exclusives is a shitty anti-competitive practice...

I still haven't seen anyone post proof of this. Do we have any proof of Out Worlds for example being paid to not sell on Steam? Or did the developer/publisher decide they'd sell on the store that has less fees? Some people seem to think offering lower costs = bribe.
 
I still haven't seen anyone post proof of this. Do we have any proof of Out Worlds for example being paid to not sell on Steam? Or did the developer/publisher decide they'd sell on the store that has less fees? Some people seem to think offering lower costs = bribe.

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Why did you decide to distribute the game through the Epic Games Store?

Releasing a video game in today’s market is highly risky - our partnership with Epic Games greatly reduces this. After spending a lot of time considering all the possibilities, we came to an agreement with Epic Games to distribute Phoenix Point through their platform.

While we are unable to go into details on the specifics of our agreement with Epic Games, we really do believe that it is in the best interests of our studio, Phoenix Point and our future titles. It gives us the security not only to continue to support Phoenix Point long into the future but also to bring you other exciting titles once Phoenix Point is completed. In addition, it gives us the freedom to commit to more Phoenix Point content once the game has been released, which will be free for the first year to our backers up to this point."

That comes from the devs of Phoenix Point talking about their decision to go with Epic. It all but confirms there was payment involved.
 
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