1366 x58 Xeon Enthusiast overclocks club

nofearek9 said:
yes xeon and ram ,i was in the same spot with you had i7 950 @ 4ghz and 6gb ram,saw huge performance with xeon and more ram ,i only use my pc for gaming nothing else.video above i think answer all you questions ,this guy has also more x58 videos ,a tutorial as well how to overclock a xeon.
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Only thing I learned from that video is that Windows 10 has patches that slow down the X58 line.

It didnt say anything about any performance boosts.

So when you say you got boosts, where did you see these boosts. Can you give me your estimated figures/areas of improvement. I really don't want to spend money and then time to reseat the processor and my heatsink (that is, if the Silver Arrow SB E ExtremeI got is even compartible with a Xeon) and then learn how to overclock this CPU on my motherboard
 
edo101 said:
Are you actually saying I won't see much of a benefit with 6 Core W3680 over the 4C8HT 930 i have right now at 4Ghz becaues you worded that a little wierdly. And yes, the most demanding thing I do on the regular is game and again I game at 4K, or 1080p3D or 1440p3D
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Yup as long as you can overclock normally you should be able to hit 4.4 ghz you should be able to get around 1,800 passmark in single core ( I push my W3680 to 4ghz in intel XTU as that is the only way for me ). Games really do not use more than 4 cores so having 6 would do nothing in games. This is why the X5672 is a popular X58 processor. Dirt cheap, 4 core that is among the fastest clocks.
 
x58 are still good CPUs for sure, but there are getting long in the tooth.
Keep in mind if the game only uses 4 cores and you have 6, that leaves 2 cores for the operating system, anti-virus, other background apps running.
The hexcore xeons are 32nm down from 45nm of the old 9xx CPU so they tend to run cooler.
If all someone does is game, it is a worthwhile upgrade. If you need AVX, AVX2 or FMA3, then you have to upgrade.

They are very easy to overclock. set the buss to 200 and the multiplier to 20, 21, or 22 to get 4ghz, 4.2 or 4.4
Lower the memory speed to start cause it will go up when you raise the buss.
Set the uncore to 2 x ram speed, keep the uncore voltage under 1.35, try to keep the CPUv at 1.35 or lower and you should be good.
Set the QPI to the lowest setting, not slow mode though
If you get the w3680 it is multiplier unlocked just like the 980x, basically the same CPU Even easier to OC

There is plenty of help available here to get you going.
Not talking a lot of money to try it, if not happy sell the xeon and x58 board and upgrade.

And the other question, yes the 8600k is a great bang for the buck CPU if you go used. Even seeing the 9600k on sale for around 250$ new
I have two of them and an i7-8086k, and they are great CPUs, they like fast memory too. Starts getting expensive DDR4-3400 and up.
 
matt167 said:
Yup as long as you can overclock normally you should be able to hit 4.4 ghz you should be able to get around 1,800 passmark in single core ( I push my W3680 to 4ghz in intel XTU as that is the only way for me ). Games really do not use more than 4 cores so having 6 would do nothing in games. This is why the X5672 is a popular X58 processor. Dirt cheap, 4 core that is among the fastest clocks.
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Bill1024 said:
x58 are still good CPUs for sure, but there are getting long in the tooth.
Keep in mind if the game only uses 4 cores and you have 6, that leaves 2 cores for the operating system, anti-virus, other background apps running.
The hexcore xeons are 32nm down from 45nm of the old 9xx CPU so they tend to run cooler.
If all someone does is game, it is a worthwhile upgrade. If you need AVX, AVX2 or FMA3, then you have to upgrade.

They are very easy to overclock. set the buss to 200 and the multiplier to 20, 21, or 22 to get 4ghz, 4.2 or 4.4
Lower the memory speed to start cause it will go up when you raise the buss.
Set the uncore to 2 x ram speed, keep the uncore voltage under 1.35, try to keep the CPUv at 1.35 or lower and you should be good.
Set the QPI to the lowest setting, not slow mode though
If you get the w3680 it is multiplier unlocked just like the 980x, basically the same CPU Even easier to OC

There is plenty of help available here to get you going.
Not talking a lot of money to try it, if not happy sell the xeon and x58 board and upgrade.

And the other question, yes the 8600k is a great bang for the buck CPU if you go used. Even seeing the 9600k on sale for around 250$ new
I have two of them and an i7-8086k, and they are great CPUs, they like fast memory too. Starts getting expensive DDR4-3400 and up.
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Sounds like y'all have differing opinions. On one end he says I won't see any benefit on the other you say i will

I've never heard about AVX, AVX2 or FMA3 so I don't know what they do or what I'd need it for.

And yeah I do aggree about long in the tooth but these damn processors and boards and ram are expensive. For the 8600k i'm assuming these are used prices you are quoting me. Y'all gone through used motherboards? Again all i want to do is game get the most I can out of my card. If these upgrades will be minimal, I have no need for them
 
I think you will do better with the hexcore on a 1440, maybe even on the 1080P. Depends on what is running in the back ground, what you play, the resolution.
I do not know anyone that bought one and regretted it.
It is not like you are spending a couple hundred dollrs to test and see. The xeon x5675 is 30$ here.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon...:sc:USPSFirstClass!12603!US!-1&frcectupt=true


27$ https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon...849997?hash=item3b2c9235cd:g:h74AAOSwM1FcZtQ5
They are server pull so it is fairly safe it was not overclocked and beat on.

Used 8600k run around 200, seen new 9600k on sale for around 250$
I got my EVGA z370 FTW for 120$ when EVGA ran a sale and I paid if I remember 119? for my Asrock z370 Killer A/C SLI from newegg.
Also Just bought an EVGA x99 Classified for 99 from EVGA when it was on sale 2 weeks ago. Also got x99 FTW for 49$ when it was on sale last Fall. They were B-stock.
Got a new x99 FTW for 100 on sale, and bought one Asus x99 Stryx from [H] forums for 150 or so a while back
Got the 8086 and a EVGA z370 FTW ere on [H] for 400 both NIB unopened. That was a good deal.
Got a 5 pack of x79 P9 WS from the egg a few years ago and a bunch of e5-1650 for 75$ each.
Most all I buy is used unless I get a great deal, or else I could not build all these systems.
I have a couple dual processor LGA 1366 and a couple dual LGA 2011 e5-2670 8 cores, and a dual AMD G34 with 2, 6378 16 core each and a quad socked G34 with4, 6180 12 cores each.

Getting ready to sell of some hardware, I have way too much, like 300 cores. I heat my house in the Winter with computers.
 
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Bill1024 said:
I think you will do better with the hexcore on a 1440, maybe even on the 1080P. Depends on what is running in the back ground, what you play, the resolution.
I do not know anyone that bought one and regretted it.
It is not like you are spending a couple hundred dollrs to test and see. The xeon x5675 is 30$ here.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon...:sc:USPSFirstClass!12603!US!-1&frcectupt=true


27$ https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon...849997?hash=item3b2c9235cd:g:h74AAOSwM1FcZtQ5
They are server pull so it is fairly safe it was not overclocked and beat on.

Used 8600k run around 200, seen new 9600k on sale for around 250$
I got my EVGA z370 FTW for 120$ when EVGA ran a sale and I paid if I remember 119? for my Asrock z370 Killer A/C SLI from newegg.
Also Just bought an EVGA x99 Classified for 99 from EVGA when it was on sale 2 weeks ago. Also got x99 FTW for 49$ when it was on sale last Fall. They were B-stock.
Got a new x99 FTW for 100 on sale, and bought one Asus x99 Stryx from [H] forums for 150 or so a while back
Got the 8086 and a EVGA z370 FTW ere on [H] for 400 both NIB unopened. That was a good deal.
Got a 5 pack of x79 P9 WS from the egg a few years ago and a bunch of e5-1650 for 75$ each.
Most all I buy is used unless I get a great deal, or else I could not build all these systems.
I have a couple dual processor LGA 1366 and a couple dual LGA 2011 e5-2670 8 cores, and a dual AMD G34 with 2, 6378 16 core each and a quad socked G34 with4, 6180 12 cores each.

Getting ready to sell of some hardware, I have way too much, like 300 cores. I heat my house in the Winter with computers.
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That reassuring to know you buy mostly used. I only weirdly ever felt safe buying used when it comes to GPUs from companies that have transferrable warranties. I don't know how it works for processors, Ram and mobos
Btw I game at mainly 4K or 4K3D 1440p3D which is why i was asking if such a GPU heavy situation would benefit from extra 2 cores. I typically don't have anythin else running when i'm gaming.
 
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if you see the rest of the videos of tech yes you will see how well 6 cores can play.
new games use 6 or more cores so yes you will gain.
if you cant replace the cpu (if you have not done it before its risky to damage your motherboard) and dont want to learn overclocking understand,but anything than that i think you should try it ,it will cost less than 15$ for a x5650 and you will not need more than 4ghz overclock which is easy.
also dont forget the ram you have only 6gb ,battlefield v for example use more than 8gb in my pc and i am not playing 4k
 
There is always stuff running in the background, anti-virus , firewall, the OS is doing something all the time right? it keeps track of USB input, buss xfers and god know what else it is doing...
Going from 4 to 6 is 50% more computing power, it has to help. There must be benchmark sites to compare a 920 CPU to a 980x. The 980x must be better? No? The w3680 is basically a 980x.
With CPU and MB buying used pay with paypal for some protection. Some boards are serial number warranty based. I believe EVGA, and MSI are, I think Asus too.
You can google it or go to their site and read their warranty policy. CPU most sellers give 14, 30 or 60 day warranty. I only had to send one CPU back that was DOA.
I have had good luck with memory too. I buy from [H] here with sellers with good heatware, or over at EVGA. I buy from ebay if sellers have good rep.
I try to buy from computer recyclers on ebay that have several pieces of the part i want to buy. Just incase I need to RMA and they can send another one out.

There are other benefits to newer boards, can use NVME SSD, SSD 6gb, native USB3, USB 3.1, better sound chips over the years.
Improvements with VRM, chipsets, network/wifi, instruction sets on the CPU, faster memory. Worth considering those aspects too. USB 3.1 is nice if you have large files and a USB drive.

I mean, it is like this, do you have several hundred dollars to spend? Do you feel like spending i? If you do or there other things that need attention before a new system?
If you have the bucks burning a hole in your pocket, and you have the itch to build a new one, go fo it. You go around once and can not take it with you.
You can sell off the x58 system to offset the cost.
If money is tight, but you have 27$ and feel like tinkering with your system and want to get more out of it and have it maybe last a couple more years. get the xeon x5675........

I know, what to do, what to do, what to do!!
What ever you decide to do, good luck with it.
 
nofearek9 said:
if you see the rest of the videos of tech yes you will see how well 6 cores can play.
new games use 6 or more cores so yes you will gain.
if you cant replace the cpu (if you have not done it before its risky to damage your motherboard) and dont want to learn overclocking understand,but anything than that i think you should try it ,it will cost less than 15$ for a x5650 and you will not need more than 4ghz overclock which is easy.
also dont forget the ram you have only 6gb ,battlefield v for example use more than 8gb in my pc and i am not playing 4k
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Oh you mean rest of the videos on his channel?

Bill1024 said:
I mean, it is like this, do you have several hundred dollars to spend? Do you feel like spending i? If you do or there other things that need attention before a new system?
If you have the bucks burning a hole in your pocket, and you have the itch to build a new one, go fo it. You go around once and can not take it with you.
You can sell off the x58 system to offset the cost.
If money is tight, but you have 27$ and feel like tinkering with your system and want to get more out of it and have it maybe last a couple more years. get the xeon x5675........

I know, what to do, what to do, what to do!!
What ever you decide to do, good luck with it.
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I actually can afford it but I have other things that need my attention. I dont want to do too much gaming right now and I have other aspects of my life I need to work on. What I do want to do is get as close as I can get to a good gaming experience with my 1080 Ti. I'll have to look at benchmarks. But all those new things would be nice. I just don't want to maek it a priority right now. I do manage with my Asrock which does have USB 3.1 (two ports only). Got one SATA 2 SSD.

I'll dig around a littl bit in the near future to see what sort of gains can be made from a Xeon. So the best xeon I can get compartible with my Asrock Extreme 3 X58 is the X5675?

It'd be nice if I can squeeze 10 more fps avg across the board going from a 930 at 4gHz to a Xeon
And....I'd hate to buy a new mobo for the Xeon. my current one is this: https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/X58 Extreme3/index.asp#Manual

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Also I am seeing several Xeons. There are X5660, X5675, X3670,3680, 3690, 56xx,

which ones are the best bet for easy 4.5ghz? and why is the 36xx more expensive than 56xx
 
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X chips work in multi processor setups W chips won't. That is the basic difference. The W3680 and W3690 both have unlocked multipliers and are the only X58 Xeons to have the capability ( Can software overclock even in an OEM ). The X5680/90 are locked multiplier versions of the same chip

You can overclock any of them. A W3680 is a good bet to get it at 4.4 ghz but they should all be able to hit at least 4.2 and most will do 4.4 as well. It is a lottery as always
 
matt167 said:
X chips work in multi processor setups W chips won't. That is the basic difference. The W3680 and W3690 both have unlocked multipliers and are the only X58 Xeons to have the capability ( Can software overclock even in an OEM ). The X5680/90 are locked multiplier versions of the same chip

You can overclock any of them. A W3680 is a good bet to get it at 4.4 ghz but they should all be able to hit at least 4.2 and most will do 4.4 as well. It is a lottery as always
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ah ok. Yeah 930 had locked multiplier too but that didn't stop us

well talking to the guys at 3D Vision forums, it seems they think a 6 core won't help much unless the game is heavy CPU? but even then they recommond going with new build.It seems 3D needs stronger single threaded performance. I dunno... i suppose it wont hurt much besides time reseating and OC'ing to see what I can get out of a 20 dollar processor
 
Processor prices have dropped considerably where a 4 core makes little sense to buy. But an x5650 60 70 are a good bet for the $20 to $60 they cost
 
matt167 said:
Processor prices have dropped considerably where a 4 core makes little sense to buy. But an x5650 60 70 are a good bet for the $20 to $60 they cost
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Nobody said anything about quad. They were saying I need a processor with stronger IPC instead of more cores of the same processor
 
edo101 said:
Nobody said anything about quad. They were saying I need a processor with stronger IPC instead of more cores of the same processor
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Exactly. The ipc is limiting on x58. If you hit 2000 single core passmark your doing good. On very new games some are using more than 4 core but majority use 4 or less. My other t3500 has a w3520 iirc. 3.2 ghz quad with only 1066 ram support 16gb of mismatched ram with an rx580 and it passmarks close to my main box. I have less than $250 into it. The processor cost $8
 
Almost anyone with an X58 at 4.2GHz or higher complaining of a 980 Ti or 1070 bottleneck (1080 is where the per thread performance is iffy, but even then an X5675 is nearly a Ryzen 7 1600 in non-compute performance), is experiencing DPC latency spikes from something else (onboard sound driver panels are notorious for this), or the vendor of the video card has a design that relies on newer PCI-E specification bandwidth availability (hypothetical, I've only experienced it with RAID controllers and 10gbE on x4) CPU technology has been at a snails pace since 2010, with just additional SSE instruction sets (AVX is a big one), volt decreases, and pasting more cores on.

If you have DDR3 that runs at 1.35v available, and are buying used it might be better to target a Haswell system with DDR3L support with a 1080 Ti or faster, but even then -- only if you're gaming at a lower resolution will it matter over Westmere (strictly for gaming.) Pushing 2560x1440 or higher, there isn't going to be a bottleneck because it's going to be using the GPU more than the CPU.

IPC as a metric means basically zilch after 8 or more single precision IPC (and 4 for double), until you're getting into taxing memory and PCI-E throughput limits. IPC != single threaded performance metric (though when paired together, is a good measure for efficiency), it's just architectural indicator jargon. We aren't comparing x86 to ARM, we're comparing x86 to x86. IPC is still 8-bit width, just more extensions involved as time goes on requiring more precision availability. When you see the IPC jump from Sandy Bridge to Haswell as being double, it's marketing -- the real world impact has been ~5-10% for all but maxed out edge case workloads. Westmere to Sandy Bridge in integer performance basically doubles, but it isn't a big deal unless you're encoding, or doing something involving heavy arithmetic (not games), and despite that double performance integer speed -- clock per clock, we're only talking 10% difference real world (again.) Conversation like this always takes me back to the movie Hackers, where they're all oogling over Acid Burn's laptop... these repeated buzzwords, man.
 
Farkle said:
Almost anyone with an X58 at 4.2GHz or higher complaining of a 980 Ti or 1070 bottleneck (1080 is where the per thread performance is iffy, but even then an X5675 is nearly a Ryzen 7 1600 in non-compute performance), is experiencing DPC latency spikes from something else (onboard sound driver panels are notorious for this), or the vendor of the video card has a design that relies on newer PCI-E specification bandwidth availability (hypothetical, I've only experienced it with RAID controllers and 10gbE on x4) CPU technology has been at a snails pace since 2010, with just additional SSE instruction sets (AVX is a big one), volt decreases, and pasting more cores on.

If you have DDR3 that runs at 1.35v available, and are buying used it might be better to target a Haswell system with DDR3L support with a 1080 Ti or faster, but even then -- only if you're gaming at a lower resolution will it matter over Westmere (strictly for gaming.) Pushing 2560x1440 or higher, there isn't going to be a bottleneck because it's going to be using the GPU more than the CPU.

IPC as a metric means basically zilch after 8 or more single precision IPC (and 4 for double), until you're getting into taxing memory and PCI-E throughput limits. IPC != single threaded performance metric (though when paired together, is a good measure for efficiency), it's just architectural indicator jargon. We aren't comparing x86 to ARM, we're comparing x86 to x86. IPC is still 8-bit width, just more extensions involved as time goes on requiring more precision availability. When you see the IPC jump from Sandy Bridge to Haswell as being double, it's marketing -- the real world impact has been ~5-10% for all but maxed out edge case workloads. Westmere to Sandy Bridge in integer performance basically doubles, but it isn't a big deal unless you're encoding, or doing something involving heavy arithmetic (not games), and despite that double performance integer speed -- clock per clock, we're only talking 10% difference real world (again.) Conversation like this always takes me back to the movie Hackers, where they're all oogling over Acid Burn's laptop... these repeated buzzwords, man.
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Getting my 12Gb ram will tell me some things. Right now people with 7700 to 8700k to 9900k are getting better frames than me with a 1080 Ti at 4K. Thats why I am stressing if gulftown Xeon is gonna help me at all at that resolution or if i should just stick with my 930 till I am ready for overhaul

Again I am playing at 4K, 4K3D strictly or 1440p3D. I'm very skeptical that a Xeon of X58 would help at all...except maybe in AC Origins? Can't think of any games that use a lot of CPU
 
Farkle said:
Almost anyone with an X58 at 4.2GHz or higher complaining of a 980 Ti or 1070 bottleneck (1080 is where the per thread performance is iffy, but even then an X5675 is nearly a Ryzen 7 1600 in non-compute performance), is experiencing DPC latency spikes from something else
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This is flat-out not true.

I am intimately familiar with DPC latency and frankly, how computers function in general....

Numbers don't lie and I'm honestly a little uncomfortable with you spreading this false information.

<- Owned Nehalem till 2 months ago, only interested in people knowing the truth

edo101 said:
I'm very skeptical that a Xeon of X58 would help at all...except maybe in AC Origins? Can't think of any games that use a lot of CPU
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Yeah, I would only expect a noteworthy benefit when playing games that take advantage of more than 4 physical cores.

Ie. AC: Odyssey, GTA V etc
 
horrorshow said:
This is flat-out not true.

I am intimately familiar with DPC latency and frankly, how computers function in general....

Numbers don't lie and I'm honestly a little uncomfortable with you spreading this false information.

<- Owned Nehalem till 2 months ago, only interested in people knowing the truth
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Yeah, numbers don't lie:

Your 2600k, at a larger sample size:

https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti&gpuCount=1

X5670 series, at a larger sample size:

https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti&gpuCount=0

X5690, more comparable to an X5675 than the X5670, especially overclocked:

https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti&gpuCount=0

X5690, with a 1080 Ti instead of a 980 Ti:

https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti&gpuCount=0

i7 3770k (a generation past your upgrade to the 2600k because of your supposed lack of IPC performance):

https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti&gpuCount=1

Where performance begins to increase to where it matters isn't until the 6700k series, with the 1080 Ti -- which is fantastic gains:

https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti&gpuCount=0

Getting back to the 980 Ti, here's 4770k:

https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti&gpuCount=0

You might think you know what you're talking about, but you really don't. 4.2GHz+ Westmere LGA1366 does not really bottleneck anything GPU-related in the real world but edge cases until 1070 Ti, and only when there is another problem involved. You WILL see the GPU usage hitting maximums for a 980 Ti on demanding games. Regular 1070 is on the edge, but no real world issue. One could argue that at 1080p, pushing 144 FPS on a modern engine will be unobtainable on a Westmere -- which I agree with, there's a bottleneck there for the CPU. That behavior doesn't go away even well into Haswell, and even still lingers on current gen -- which is why it is important to run higher resolution that the GPU was optimized to run at. Apples to apples.

Is your i7 2600k faster than a Gulftown/Westmere Xeon, clock per clock? Yes. But it doesn't cause a bottleneck for a 980 Ti. i7 3770k, same. i7 4770k, same.

edo101 said:
Getting my 12Gb ram will tell me some things. Right now people with 7700 to 8700k to 9900k are getting better frames than me with a 1080 Ti at 4K. Thats why I am stressing if gulftown Xeon is gonna help me at all at that resolution or if i should just stick with my 930 till I am ready for overhaul

Again I am playing at 4K, 4K3D strictly or 1440p3D. I'm very skeptical that a Xeon of X58 would help at all...except maybe in AC Origins? Can't think of any games that use a lot of CPU
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You will see an increase with Gulftown/Westmere Xeon over your 930, but you won't get the performance you desire compared to a 6700k+, as I've pointed out (and you certainly won't ever match the frames of an 8700k with that 1080 Ti, even if you hit 4.6GHz.) The system will be snappier, and there will be fewer cache miss performance drops (more L3.) It's really a matter of how cheap you can get an X5675/X5690 for when you go to pull the trigger -- it might be enough of a bump to hold you over inexpensively with the platform you have, since frame minimums should increase. Performance isn't the retiring factor of moving away from X58 on gaming just yet (after all, people are still building Ryzen gaming PCs, which are in the same scenario of "fast enough" for a lot of use cases), but capacitor wear, and gate breakdown is a concern people should have. As is the absolute price gouging of working X58 boards when something breaks, compared to a Z87 (which supports DDR3L too) or a DDR4 platform brand new, but since you have an existing system... a $30-$45 drop in is inexpensive enough to not split hairs over since it doesn't really contribute to going to the cost of a full rebuild. With DDR4 prices as low as they are right now, this would be the time to jump away from X58 to fully utilize that card. If you can't jump comfortably, take the risk of RAM prices being higher later, and replace your 930 with a Xeon. Either way, a 1080 Ti on a Westmere will bottleneck, but it isn't as if it'll disallow you from playing Witcher 3 in Ultra at 1440p, or 4k with less settings (since I assume you don't want to be playing at mid 40 FPS.)
 
Farkle said:
You might think you know what you're talking about, but you really don't.
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Actually, I know exactly what I'm talking about sir.

Fyi, comparing a 4 core / 8 thread CPU to a 6 core / 12 thread CPU in 3Dmark of all things, is incredibly disingenuous and misrepresenting the facts.

You've been on this forum as long as I have.... I'm very disappointed you've put-on blinders to reality regarding this subject.

- I will continue to post in this thread whenever this sort of "X58 won't bottleneck" nonsense is implied.
 
you are all correct ,cause it depends the game old game will not need 6 cores ,but newer games use 6 ,8 and more cores.Woflenstein 2 (2 year old game) uses all 6 cores 55-70% on ultra.Battlefield v uses all 6 cores 90-95% on ultra and i am with 2070 ,so with a 2080ti i would reach the 100% for sure.
 
horrorshow said:
comparing a 4 core / 8 thread CPU to a 6 core / 12 thread CPU in 3Dmark of all things, is incredibly disingenuous and misrepresenting the facts.
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No problem, we can compare 8700k vs Xeons on the same GPU:

https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti&gpuCount=1

or move up to a 1070 ti:

https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti&gpuCount=1

For fairness sake, how about a 5820k?
https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti&gpuCount=1


It is not easy to detect where the bottleneck start , if at all.
Certainly not at 1440p.
And i most certainly can play 1080p 120Hz any day of the week.
So at 1080p above 120hz?
I have a 480Hz display, capable of 1080p 240hz, and yes, my xeons are not suited for constant 240hz on all games my 970 can handle.

But then again, 144-240 hz are the realm of 6c/12t 5Ghz CPUs anyway.

If one has a working X58 mobo and can upgrade to a 6c xeon, it will be a worthy upgrade.

But please do not try to pair $50 CPUs with $400 GPUs and complain about bottlenecks.
 
geok1ng said:
It is not easy to detect where the bottleneck start , if at all.
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That's because 3dmark is not a good measurement of real-world performance.

It is very easy to detect in real-world applications.

Unless your talking about Counterstrike or similar low-demand games, 120hz is NOT happening on Nehalem/X58/Gulftown.
 
horrorshow said:
You put any modern game between those two platforms and monitor the min/avg/max fps
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Like this?

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2980-intel-i7-930-revisit-nehalem-benchmarks-2017/page-3

A lowly 930 at a meager 4Ghz is doing 118+ fps on many games there.

this is not about defending a platform.
it is about debunking myths based on thin air.

A good X58 Xeon is Ryzen 1500-1700 competition. for a fraction of the cost if one has a X58 mobo.

of course if one has such xeon and is legitimately looking for an upgrade they must look quite high: 6c12t 5GHz CPUs .

my case is even worse, my $50 CPUs would replaced by chips that cost 10-20 times more. And then i look at how much heat a Threadripper/ 9900k generates and realizes that i am fortunate to have my cores spread across 2 chips.

My daugther PC's runs a 2600K. not a chance in hell that i would go back to a 4c8t child's toy.
 
geok1ng said:
My daugther PC's runs a 2600K. not a chance in hell that i would go back to a 4c8t child's toy.
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I want everyone here to see this man just directly insulted me on the internet lmao

Grow up sir. I guarantee you the majority of [H] will back up what I've said in this thread.

Sad man.... just sad.
 
geok1ng said:
Like this?

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2980-intel-i7-930-revisit-nehalem-benchmarks-2017/page-3

A lowly 930 at a meager 4Ghz is doing 118+ fps on many games there.

this is not about defending a platform.
it is about debunking myths based on thin air.

A good X58 Xeon is Ryzen 1500-1700 competition. for a fraction of the cost if one has a X58 mobo.

of course if one has such xeon and is legitimately looking for an upgrade they must look quite high: 6c12t 5GHz CPUs .

my case is even worse, my $50 CPUs would replaced by chips that cost 10-20 times more. And then i look at how much heat a Threadripper/ 9900k generates and realizes that i am fortunate to have my cores spread across 2 chips.

My daugther PC's runs a 2600K. not a chance in hell that i would go back to a 4c8t child's toy.
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If anything, by showing those GN benches, you showed that a OC'ed 2600K is far superior to a OC'ed Nehalem in both mins and avg and max, where it counts.
I think you proved horrorshow's point.
 
i have 3 pcs with i7 2600,i7 3770 and i7 950 (which upgraded to xeon 5660)
the fastest from the 4-cores without overclocking its the i7 3770 ,when xeon comes to the game is the fastest of all 4 cpus.(you cant win 12mb l3 cache+2 extra cores)
 
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Eh, I'l prbly order a Xeon then and install it since they're cheap enough. I doubt I'll get any performance boosts tbh since its the same IPC but eh its only 20 to 30 bucks. Which Xeon should I get? 56xx or 36xx?

And My current ram is Corsair XMS 1600mhz 1.65v. Won't my ram limit how high i can go? I feel like I'd be limited to 4.1GHz with a Xeon since the x58 tied ram speed and core speed to the same clock
 
edo101 said:
Eh, I'l prbly order a Xeon then and install it since they're cheap enough. I doubt I'll get any performance boosts tbh since its the same IPC but eh its only 20 to 30 bucks. Which Xeon should I get? 56xx or 36xx?

And My current ram is Corsair XMS 1600mhz 1.65v. Won't my ram limit how high i can go? I feel like I'd be limited to 4.1GHz with a Xeon since the x58 tied ram speed and core speed to the same clock
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I would recommend an x5670 or x5675 given today's low prices. Ram will be perfect. Set memory multiplier to 8x and blck to 200. Then ram runs at 1600 mhz. Then CPU becomes 200 x 21 for 4.2 Ghz. Or 200 x 20 for 4.0 Ghz, etc.
 
as said above ,worst case scenario buy x5650 for 15$ 20x200 you got 4ghz
 
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ewb302 said:
I would recommend an x5670 or x5675 given today's low prices. Ram will be perfect. Set memory multiplier to 8x and blck to 200. Then ram runs at 1600 mhz. Then CPU becomes 200 x 21 for 4.2 Ghz. Or 200 x 20 for 4.0 Ghz, etc.
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nofearek9 said:
as sais above worst case scenario buy x5650 for 15$ 20x200 you got 4ghz
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any disadvantage compared to a w36xx?

And is there any way to get above 4.1Ghz with my 1600mhz ram?
 
edo101 said:
any disadvantage compared to a w36xx?

And is there any way to get above 4.1Ghz with my 1600mhz ram?
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just put the RAM at 1066/1333 and select the adequate FSB strap. I run 6x8GB of ECC 1333 DDR3 like 1066 at 2:8 strap. effective memory speed around 1250mhz( and yes, i like to preserve my SR as much as possible, because the chipset runs very hot with 6 sticks).

Your 1600mhz RAM is almost overkill.

Then again x5660 or higher multiplier chips are not that expensive and will run at lower FSB.
 
geok1ng said:
just put the RAM at 1066/1333 and select the adequate FSB strap. I run 6x8GB of ECC 1333 DDR3 like 1066 at 2:8 strap. effective memory speed around 1250mhz( and yes, i like to preserve my SR as much as possible, because the chipset runs very hot with 6 sticks).

Your 1600mhz RAM is almost overkill.

Then again x5660 or higher multiplier chips are not that expensive and will run at lower FSB.
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I don't know what SR, FSB is? maybe 10 years ago when I built my X58 and OC'd it but I done forgot everythign
 
edo101 said:
I don't know what SR, FSB is? maybe 10 years ago when I built my X58 and OC'd it but I done forgot everythign
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SR,= EVGA SR2, best mobo ever made, dual socket mobo capable of Xeon overcloking.
FSB = Front side bus. This is not exactly synonym of BCLK on X58 chipset, but more or less relates to processor and memory speed:
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These are BCLK 161MHz screenshots of one CPU.
X58 mobos have equivalent settings to allow high BCLK/FSb without breaking RAM speed limits.
 
Only W3680 and W3690 are multiplier unlocked. It does not matter with a good board tho. Just run what you deem might be a good cheap processor through the Ark to see what it really is and compare to something like an I7 980X. X56/W36 model codes do not follow eachother exactly but they all have sister chips ( "I" processor's as well ) . Ram limitations with W36 chips are not really limitations on single processor boards since they still allow what is logically possible with a normal single processor board
 
edo101 said:
I don't know what SR, FSB is? maybe 10 years ago when I built my X58 and OC'd it but I done forgot everythign
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dude, I feel that

I mean, I remembered those ones, but if I were to go into my BIOS now? I'd have to learn it all over again.
 
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