Mimicking RTX Global Illumination with Traditional Graphics Techniques

1Nocturnal101 said:
The average gamer though spends less than $300 on a video card, so anything above that is considered enthusiast, whatever level you can afford, I understand what you are saying but realize in the 80's a Tandy 1000 would sell for $8-12k so if you have been around the block with PC's in general you would realize $1200 for a GPU is actually cheap in the greater scheme of things, yes you didn't ask for workstation level compute, but there is the 1660ti for you then, you are not entitled to dictate a companies product lines, it's their product not yours.

Or you could go buy a Vega 7 for $800 and let AMD know all you care about is meaningless higher frame rates at a level I doubt most human eyes can handle, 8k monitors arnt a thing yet, and on top of that when they are you wouldn't buy one anyways as it's not catering to your budget.

At least NVidia you have a choice RT at 1080or1440p or just go 4k, yes it's a high price but people tend to pay for options and higher at the enthusiast level.
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I don't know why you feel obligated to defend a $1,200 video card. We aren't talking about 30 year old computer parts and their relative pricing, we are comparing it to last generation cards bearing the exact same branding. I never said that the 1080Ti was for the "average" gamer either (straw man?). I'm pointing out that very few people are going to spend more money on the video card then they do on the rest of the parts combined. And that's even with a high-end mainstream part like the 9900k.

The only thing I agree with you on is the fact that they can price it however they want. I did say I was pro-business. But I also have the right to not buy it when I think it is overpriced for my needs. If I needed it for budget rendering instead of a Quadro, that's one thing. But I play games for the most part and while I can afford it, it has moved to the point where I would rather save the money then buy one. Even at $800 I probably would have jumped.
 
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kirbyrj said:
It's that it's not even close to the old $699 standard. The average gamer doesn't care how long it takes the high compute crowd to render anything. It went from a top 10% of gamers card to a top 1% of gamers card in 1 generation. You can call it misplaced anger, but anyone but the highest end gamer doesn't even consider it anymore simply because of the price.

I'm pro-business. You can charge whatever you think the market will bear, but it went from a "must buy" to a "no chance in hell" for me just from looking at the MSRP.
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Regardless of the features, the price has made this card a no buy for me.
I spent $660 cdn for my 1080 over a year ago. If I wanted a 2080 TI today I'd have to shell out $1600 cdn. Not gonna happen.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Hyperbole aside, the point stands strong.
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It doesn't when you try to make points then talk out of you ass about a price of something that you hallucinated. Am I supposed to take the whole post serious when they obviously have no clue what they are talking about?
And you who come rushing to defend. Whats your deal?
 
odditory said:
Realtime raytracing has always been the holy grail. And I am 100% sure that once RTX and GPU based raytracing overall gains its footing and iterates from crawl to walk to run over the next 3-5 years, then even the naysayers will get selective amnesia and swear they were totally on board from the beginning.

I think 95% of the outrage about RTX is simply misplaced anger over 2080 Ti MSRP not being $699. Simple as that.
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Sadly, you are absolutely right. It didn't shock me one iota to see the amount of ignorance in regards to the audience and their lack of understanding to the basic concepts or ray tracing (or path in this case). To the average layman, this is quite complex and nuanced, and NVIDIA did a poor job in trying to express this technology in a digestible form. Had they pursued this method of explaining path tracing done by Disney, this would have prevented a lot more confusion from their audience because when it comes to creating a break down video and make it interesting, Disney crushes it.

Now this isn't to say to that I'm justifying the price hikes with the RTX models. Hello no, it's abundantly clear that Jen-Hsun's greed and ambition got the better of him, especially when it was painfully obvious the prices were a direct reflection of the crypto-currency boom, and they used those margins to justify the price hike. However, due to the infancy of this technology and the time it still needs to develop, there's no reason why anyone other than anyone should buy this card other than professionals. Otherwise NVIDIA will continue to raise the price arbitrarily higher each generation.
 
if next-gen consoles support ray-tracing, then it will certainly take off on PC gaming.
 
I don't have a problem with Nvidia bringing out Ray Tracing as many have said it has to start somewhere. The problem I have is the huge increase in cost and that "It just Works". You can fake a lot of stuff using different techniques and be pretty close visually with no performance hit. Everyone who pays these inflated costs just reinforces Nvidia's mindset that the is perfectly acceptable.

I'll stick with my GTX 1070 until something reasonably priced comes out that is significantly better.
 
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