First timer, need help

For poops and giggles I am thinking of replacing my top mounted gts 280 x flow and putting a gts 280 u flow on the bottom of the case so both radiators are intake side.
 
FearTheCow said:
I am looking at going full water cooling for the first time, so far I am looking at
pump/reservoir - xspc d5 photon variable speed/sata
cpu block - xspc raystorm pro AM4
radiator - hardware labs nemesis 360gts + nemesis 240gts
gpu block - ?
fittings - bitspower
tube/size = ?
I will be cooling a ryzen 2600x and reference vega 64 in a corsair air 740 case, aiming for as cool and quiet as possible, nothing is set in stone so any recommendations or advice is appreciated.
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Does the Photon still have that horrible fill port? I hate mine because of it
 
FearTheCow said:
The one on top? I didn't find it too much of a hassle myself.
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it's hard to fill because of the internal LED pillar that illuminates when using an LED. that pillar connects from bottom to top, all the way to the fill port. When you open the port, there's a huge piece of plastic inside and it's really difficult for air to escape while filling
 
So I have been eyeballing the thermaltake tower 900, pretty sure two nemesis gtx 560mm radiators would give me about as much cooling capacity as I will ever need.
 
it's being very very Preventive disassemble blocks...and Silicone them AND the Fittings...been the unlucky one and have killed cpu's and mobo's cause block leaked and or cracked or a fitting leaked/worn oring...
That said we can do everything on AIR again just fine.
 
Just pulled the trigger on the case, I was going to get a second reservoir, is there any issues with running 2 reservoirs and one pump?
 
FearTheCow said:
Just pulled the trigger on the case, I was going to get a second reservoir, is there any issues with running 2 reservoirs and one pump?
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No issues, just mostly pointless from a functional standpoint.
 
Will it make a difference in gpu temps if I run

pump - CPU - rad - GPU - rad - pump ?
 
hititnquitit said:
No, you can configure your loop however you like without affecting temps.
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Seconded.


Inna typical well configured loop your flow rate is high enough that the entire loop is more or less at roughly the same temp, so you wind up with a steady state heat transfer.

If this is the case, the order of the components is more or less irrelevant.
 
Got the loop back together, I am only using one 560 rad and the results with fans running at 600 rpm is pretty awesome. I am ordering the second 560 rad today.
 
Got the second rad installed, messing with fan profiles now, playing BF5 for 2 hours I am getting these results...

Ambient temp - 72-74f
Water temp - 30-31c
Vega 64 - 44c
CPU - 40c

Fans spin up to about 1000 to 1100 rpm, trying to figure out what to run the 3 exhaust fans at to have optimal noise/heat removal. I also realized I have a spot for one more 140mm fan to blow air over the GPU/MB.
 
Don't know why I kept having my fans ramp up, have everything set to 800 rpm and the vega 64 sits at 49c after gaming for an hour and the only noise I hear is the damn pump that sounds like static.
 
FearTheCow said:
Got the second rad installed, messing with fan profiles now, playing BF5 for 2 hours I am getting these results...

Ambient temp - 72-74f
Water temp - 30-31c
Vega 64 - 44c
CPU - 40c

Fans spin up to about 1000 to 1100 rpm, trying to figure out what to run the 3 exhaust fans at to have optimal noise/heat removal. I also realized I have a spot for one more 140mm fan to blow air over the GPU/MB.
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What are you using to control the fan speed?
 
FearTheCow said:
Corsair icue with a commander pro, got a fan splitter and am running the 8 radiator fans off 1 channel.
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Yeah, but what do they trigger off of? CPU coretemp?

This is generally a bad idea. You want to benchmark what your loop temp is at Target core temperature and set temperature controllers to keep the loop temp on check
This may require buying an inline temp sensor and controller.
 
Using an inline water temp sensor before the pump, fans run at 600 rpm up to a water temp of 30c, 800 rpm at 32c, and 1200 rpm at 35c.

With those settings the highest my water temp hits after an hour of gaming is 32.5c, vega 64 hits 49c, and ryzen 1600 hits about 42c, fans hit about 850-880 rpm.
 
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FearTheCow said:
Using an inline water temp sensor before the pump, fans run at 600 rpm up to a water temp of 30c, 800 rpm at 32c, and 1200 rpm at 35c.

With those settings the highest my water temp hits after an hour of gaming is 32.5c, vega 64 hits 49c, and ryzen 1600 hits about 42c, fans hit about 850-880 rpm.
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What is that inline sensor plugged in to?
 
Corsair commander pro, channel one on the commander pro controls the splitter for the 8 rad fans, the other channels on the commander pro control the case fans.

I thought about putting another inline sensor on the inlet for the first radiator. With 2x 560mm radiators the fans don't have to move much air to keep everything cool.
 
FearTheCow said:
Corsair commander pro, channel one on the commander pro controls the splitter for the 8 rad fans, the other channels on the commander pro control the case fans.

I thought about putting another inline sensor on the inlet for the first radiator. With 2x 560mm radiators the fans don't have to move much air to keep everything cool.
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Ah, I have no experience with those, so I don't know what their fan curves look like.

I picked up an Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 about 6 months ago, and I love the thing. Wish I had done it years ago. Pricy, but well worth it.

One of the best parts is that in addition to just fan curves, it also has the option to use controllers using the PID methodology. This helps keep the fan speeds more optimized.

When you have a fan curve you set the speed to be faster the faster the temp you are measuring. The downside with this is that at all fan speeds below 100%, you are running the fans faster than they really need to be.

Example: Lets say your target - like mine - is to never exceed 33C in your loop. You would then set your fan curve to hit 100% at 33C. Then at 32C you might be at 90% or something like that and at 30C you might be at 70%.. Who knows. (This is not a good fan curve, just an example)

The problem is now that your true target is 33C, but at lower temperatures (32C and 30C) your fans are running at 90% and 70% respectively, when they really don't need to, because they are keeping the temps below the 33C target setting.

If the fan curve were more intelligent, it could dynamically ease off the fan speed, and let the loop hit target temp, and adjust the fan speed to maintain it at 33C.

This is what a PID controller and the Aquaero's setpoint controllers do. It adjusts the fan speed not based on a fixed temperature curve, but rather based on analyzing the current temp and its movement over time. If you are 2 degrees below setpoint, it will back off the fans a bit, and then monitor how fast the temp increases, and if it doesn't settle in at around your target temp, it will raise the fan speed a little bit again

It's really quite cool. The Aquaero's have built in presets for how responsive you want their setpoint controller to be (Slowest -2, Slow -1, Normal, Fast +1, Fastest +2) but if you really want to get your geek on they allow you to set custom PID values. I was planning on doing this but it turns out it is really damned complicated, so I haven't yet. Maybe some day.
 
I thought about getting an Aquaero, but with water temp maxing out at about 32c with my fans running at 800 rpm I don't know if it's really worthwhile.

If I run my fans at a flat 600 rpm my water temp max while gaming is about 33-34c and my vega 64 hits 50c, at 800 rpm u see a max of like 32.3c water temp and 47-48c on the video card.

According to hwlabs, the radiators I am using can dissipate up to 2500 watts, and I am using two of them.
 
FearTheCow said:
I thought about getting an Aquaero, but with water temp maxing out at about 32c with my fans running at 800 rpm I don't know if it's really worthwhile.

If I run my fans at a flat 600 rpm my water temp max while gaming is about 33-34c and my vega 64 hits 50c, at 800 rpm u see a max of like 32.3c water temp and 47-48c on the video card.

According to hwlabs, the radiators I am using can dissipate up to 2500 watts, and I am using two of them.
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I am curious, what is your ambient temp like?

Some of those figures are pretty nice (the 32C at load with only 800rpm fans is awesome) but the 50C load temp on the Vega seems a little bit high at that loop temp. Maybe AMD GPU's just run a little hotter? I haven't used one in years. My Pascal Titan X always sits within 3C to 6C above my loop temp at load, (at idle GPU core temp is exactly the same as loop temp) even at full load overclocked, so when my loop temp is 33C (my target for best fan noise) my load temp on my GPU is between 36C and 39C depending on the title.

I don't know what they are doing differently on newer titles, but even when I'm at 100% load, older titles raise the temp less than newer ones do.

Those radiators do seem pretty nice, but never put any faith in those "dissipates up to X Watts" figures. Those are really just marketing numbers. There are too many variables involved there. Wattage dissipation is going to depend very highly on your delta T. (the higher the difference between your loop temp and your ambient, the more it will dissipate). It will also depend on your fan speed, as the faster you can get cool air through the radiator, the less the ambient air will heat up across the radiator, maintaining as good of a Delta T as possible.
 
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FearTheCow said:
I thought about getting an Aquaero, but with water temp maxing out at about 32c with my fans running at 800 rpm I don't know if it's really worthwhile.

If I run my fans at a flat 600 rpm my water temp max while gaming is about 33-34c and my vega 64 hits 50c, at 800 rpm u see a max of like 32.3c water temp and 47-48c on the video card.

According to hwlabs, the radiators I am using can dissipate up to 2500 watts, and I am using two of them.
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One of the primary selling points for the Aquaero is the fact that it is fully standalone. If you so desire, you can install it, configure it, then unplug the USB connector and uninstall the software. The controller itself saves your configuration and will run independently of your OS. Also, it makes it so you really don't have to worry about what fan control your motherboard comes equipped with. The Aquaero is almost guaranteed to be more powerful, more flexible, and more robust than what any mobo has embedded. It's nice to not have to care about that when shopping for your next platform upgrade.
 
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