1366 x58 Xeon Enthusiast overclocks club

I'm running a GTX 2080 with a Xeon 5650 on water. 4.4ghz 24/7. I game in 4k for the most part and I can say that there is no bottleneck. In fact most games consume ~20% of all cores under load (far cry 5 max settings). Which other games are you curious about, I'll try them.

More evidence that I'll be keeping my existing setup for the foreseeable future. I think this must be a record for the longest usable motherboard I have ever had.
 
More evidence that I'll be keeping my existing setup for the foreseeable future. I think this must be a record for the longest usable motherboard I have ever had.

Yeah, I never had a system go on as my main system for +9 years before....come Decemeber it will be 10 years old :O
Upgraded the CPU once...and the GPU...4 or 5 times.
And sports 6 x SSD's...HDD's are banned in my rig.
 
More evidence that I'll be keeping my existing setup for the foreseeable future. I think this must be a record for the longest usable motherboard I have ever had.


Right?

My habit is to skip several generations and try to pick good ones. On the Intel side I was still running the P3 Tualatin (actually STILL running, but it is just the keeper of the audio archive now) when I was reading about the upcoming Nehalem core with the memory controller on die. I was like "yep, this is it".

Was not wrong.

Have not seen anything even close to making me want to upgrade the Intel boxes yet, especially with the locked down UEFI bullshit they are all saddled with now. Fuck sakes, I do not need fancy UI in my BIOS, and the ability of industry to limit my OS options, even if they have not exercised it...yet...is a deal breaker.

They are going to have to do better to get my money.
 
Well after 9 years of service my x58 board went up in smoke and died melted the 8pin aux to the board.
 
Well after 9 years of service my x58 board went up in smoke and died melted the 8pin aux to the board.


at 10 years on mine, got it 1/24/2009....I'm about to get rid of it :(

Sucks too because I don't think I really need to but games are starting to require CPU extensions the xeon just doesn't have. It is such a solid machine. Only thing wrong is the onboard NIC died.

Just upgraded to a 1080TI also. Board as seen SLI 280s, 480s, 980s, and now this. 2 CPUs, A few ram configurations, 2 sound cards, and whatever else. Longed PC part I have ever used in my main machine for sure. Not bad for a somewhat budget board.

the 920 i had was overclocked until it died in 2016 i think and I picked up the 5675 or whatrever it is. Both water cooled.
 
at 10 years on mine, got it 1/24/2009....I'm about to get rid of it :(

Sucks too because I don't think I really need to but games are starting to require CPU extensions the xeon just doesn't have. It is such a solid machine. Only thing wrong is the onboard NIC died.

Just upgraded to a 1080TI also. Board as seen SLI 280s, 480s, 980s, and now this. 2 CPUs, A few ram configurations, 2 sound cards, and whatever else. Longed PC part I have ever used in my main machine for sure. Not bad for a somewhat budget board.

the 920 i had was overclocked until it died in 2016 i think and I picked up the 5675 or whatrever it is. Both water cooled.

Funny my onboard nic also died on my x58 i orderd some pcie intel gigabit cards worked great.

https://hardforum.com/threads/wts-j...79-x99-z170-z370-wtf.1976133/#post-1044051346

That guy has a p6t7 ws supercomputer board FS. Probably one of the best you can buy as a replacement. He's even comboing 24GB of memory and a X5650 for $150 total. Not a bad bang for the buck setup.

cool ty but im using my p67 and 2600k right now.
 
Turing is only known to work in the following x58 motherboards so far
The first 8 are reportedly bootable, the rest it is not sure if a uefi loader or second card to boot off is required.

Rampage III Extreme
Sabertooth x58
P6T
P6t Deluxe
P6t Deluxe v2
P6T7 WS SUPERCOMPUTER
P6X58D-E
P6X58D PREMIUM

Alienware 0H869M
Alienware 04VWF2

EVGA 131-GT-E767
EVGA EVGA Classified SR-2
EVGA X58 SLI FTW3

G1.Assassin
X58A-UD3R (Revision not specified)
X58A-UD5 (Revision not specified)


Unbootable in
Rampage II Extreme
Rampage II Gene
P6t SE


Potentially unlikely to work in any motherboard with Phoenix bios and compatibility issues are also a possibility with Award and AMI bios prior to 2011.

x58 revision is not the issue, the p6t deluxe v2 is a Rev12, and there are Rev13 versions of the RIIE that are unbootable.
 
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Turing is only known to work in 3 x58 motherboards so far

Rampag III Extreme
Sabertooth x58
P6t Deluxe v2

Unbootable in
Rampage II Extreme
Rampage II Gene
P6t SE

Unlikely to work is any motherboard with Phoenix bios, and anything made by gigabyte.

x58 revision is not the issue, the p6t deluxe v2 is a Rev12, and there are Rev13 versions of the RIIE that are unbootable.

Is this in relation to the RTX 2XXX graphics cards? I hope not as I have an RTX 2070 coming and my mother board is a Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Rev. 1002.
Where did you get this information? I just checked on PC Part picker and my motherboard is listed as compatible with the RTX2070.
 
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I have to admit I am skeptical. Has that whiff of FUD. Let us know McDork.
 
Is this in relation to the RTX 2XXX graphics cards? I hope not as I have an RTX 2070 coming and my mother board is a Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Rev. 1002.
Where did you get this information? I just checked on PC Part picker and my motherboard is listed as compatible with the RTX2070.

threads already exist tracking x58 compatibility with turing.

Partpicker doesn't have any background knowledge on what is and isn't actually functional, its just listed based on the pci-e capability.

It looks like you are in luck and there are 3 working Gigabyte boards known so far, but whether these are booted with a uefi loader or work directly is unspecified.
 
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Diceman... did you notice if my particular board was listed as being compatible with the 2070?
 
going by user reports and whether 3dmark results exist.

a 3dmark result exists with a 2080 on the X58A-UD3R but the revision is not specified in the result.
 
I have 12gigs of ddr3 1600 and x5670 and thermalright 120 extreme for more or less pay for shipping if someone is in need...my stuff usually goes quick in my FS threads since i price stuff to sell quick. Could be handy for building a pc for family/friend in need. (got 2 pms already so might already be gone)
 
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I have 12gigs of ddr3 1600 and x5670 and thermalright 120 extreme for more or less pay for shipping if someone is in need...my stuff usually goes quick in my FS threads since i price stuff to sell quick. Could be handy for building a pc for family/friend in need.


PM sent...sigh
 
got two Xeons from ebay,5690,came from CA and 5660,NY ($98,$14),tried the 5690 in a Asus P6T workstation board and the good last bios but get no boot,have a P6X58D PREMIUM to try too
really would like this setup to work

didn't try the other memory brand I have,tried the muskin 2G modual and not Gskill 2G
made the list

the 5660 has function in the workstation board,good enough
 
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Are i7 970s considered some of the worst hex core X58 silicons? I see everybody with X5650+ get lower voltage and high frequency. My 970 does 4.3 (187x23) at on 1.4v on R3F. Maybe I need to ditch this and pick up a X5675. Hoping for 4.5ghz
 
i recall back in the day when x58 was still pretty new a friend went thru 3 970s and never got a good one to run 4.5 my x5670 will do 4.5ghz tho its sitting in a dead board i need to get off my lazy butt and try to test the board with a new psu see if it surived the burnt connector.
 
I'm on a 930 at 4Ghz right now with HT. I see this trend of people getting Xeons. Are these actually giving y'all a boost in gaming? I was hesistent to buy one. My AC Origins performance is begging me to however (80% CPU usage...spikes to 85% sometimes) but I wasn't sure if there would be a boost giving it is the same architecture...just with more cores. Are modern games actually using more cores? I'm down for a cheap upgrade but I want it to actually be an upgrade and not just a benchmark upgrade

I also have the worst luck in the world so I feel like the one I buy, if I were to buy one would not be able to hit 3.8Ghz or above
 
i recall back in the day when x58 was still pretty new a friend went thru 3 970s and never got a good one to run 4.5 my x5670 will do 4.5ghz tho its sitting in a dead board i need to get off my lazy butt and try to test the board with a new psu see if it surived the burnt connector.

They often do, I have even ordered new power headers and installed them on motherboards with success.
 
I'm on a 930 at 4Ghz right now with HT. I see this trend of people getting Xeons. Are these actually giving y'all a boost in gaming? I was hesistent to buy one. My AC Origins performance is begging me to however (80% CPU usage...spikes to 85% sometimes) but I wasn't sure if there would be a boost giving it is the same architecture...just with more cores. Are modern games actually using more cores? I'm down for a cheap upgrade but I want it to actually be an upgrade and not just a benchmark upgrade

I also have the worst luck in the world so I feel like the one I buy, if I were to buy one would not be able to hit 3.8Ghz or above

The 6 core xeons are a significant jump up. I mean, you are only spending like $20 or $30 bucks to get a used xeon these days. It's pretty much a no brainier. You can barely go to the movies for that cost.

Obviously, I can't make you any guarantee, but they will all do 3.8-4.0 easily. It's the 4.2+ speeds that require additional voltage and cooling and there are no guarantees.
 
The 6 core xeons are a significant jump up. I mean, you are only spending like $20 or $30 bucks to get a used xeon these days. It's pretty much a no brainier. You can barely go to the movies for that cost.

Obviously, I can't make you any guarantee, but they will all do 3.8-4.0 easily. It's the 4.2+ speeds that require additional voltage and cooling and there are no guarantees.

what sort of jump though? I don't care about benchmarks. I care about squeezing more juice out of my 1080 Ti and helping it run games better. Specifically open world games
 
what sort of jump though? I don't care about benchmarks. I care about squeezing more juice out of my 1080 Ti and helping it run games better. Specifically open world games

.... Pairing a 1080 Ti with a Nehalem CPU was your first mistake. I admire your courage, but that's crazy lol

Those CPU's bottleneck even a 980 Ti (I literally upgraded to a cheap 2600k from Nehalem for that very reason)

You really need Sandy Bridge or better; otherwise you're doing that card a GREAT disservice.

Trust me dude.
 
agree you need those 2 extra cores for gaming,with less than 20$ get then x5650 and you will hit 4ghz very easy (20x200),also you will need another 6 gb ram,total 12.
 
.... Pairing a 1080 Ti with a Nehalem CPU was your first mistake. I admire your courage, but that's crazy lol

Those CPU's bottleneck even a 980 Ti (I literally upgraded to a cheap 2600k from Nehalem for that very reason)

You really need Sandy Bridge or better; otherwise you're doing that card a GREAT disservice.

Trust me dude.

Its not courage, its me not wanting to spend at least 600 bucks buying new mobo, CPU and ram for a decent upgrade
agree you need those 2 extra cores for gaming,with less than 20$ get then x5650 and you will hit 4ghz very easy (20x200),also you will need another 6 gb ram,total 12.

Are you both saying the extra 2 cores will boost my performance in modern open world games?

I do notice at 4K most demanding games will have my GPU pushing 95 96% usage. Some however dip often. if my GPU is being used ~95% do I still need a faster processor?
 
Its not courage, its me not wanting to spend at least 600 bucks buying new mobo, CPU and ram for a decent upgrade

Oh, I hear ya. Like I said, I was in your situation just a few months ago (albeit to a lesser degree)

What I am suggesting, is look into a used i7 Sandy Bridge to Haswell -era CPU/Motherboard combo for cheap.

I managed to finagle a 2600k combo from the FS section for $150 two months ago....

Otherwise, I'd just wait for the 3rd Gen Ryzen chips later this year.

EDIT: I ran a TON of tests before and after upgrading, and basically with Nehalem you're only using 2/3rd's of your GPU.... (I was in your shoes and am only trying to help, so I have zero interest in making this up)

My old specs were: X3470 @ 3.8 Ghz (basically your CPU), 16GB, and a 980 Ti.

The CPU made it perform like a 980 etc.

- TLDR: Nehalem doesn't have the IPC to properly power anything above approx a GTX 980. Sandy Bridge can handle up to a GTX 1080. 1080 Ti and up, you want a current gen CPU to utilize the video cards full potential.
 
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.... Pairing a 1080 Ti with a Nehalem CPU was your first mistake. I admire your courage, but that's crazy lol

Those CPU's bottleneck even a 980 Ti (I literally upgraded to a cheap 2600k from Nehalem for that very reason)

You really need Sandy Bridge or better; otherwise you're doing that card a GREAT disservice.

Trust me dude.

No they don't... But the lack of AVX can be a problem for certain operational workloads.
 
No they don't... But the lack of AVX can be a problem for certain operational workloads.

Ok, look. I was a stalwart Nehalem user from 2009-Jan 2019, why would I lie?

I have documented screenshots of benchmarks posted on the forum showing the difference. Check it out:

Before: https://hardforum.com/threads/i-sho...y-new-video-card-won.1973793/#post-1043993340

After: https://hardforum.com/threads/i-sho...video-card-won.1973793/page-2#post-1044055017

Proof positive my Nehalem setup was holding back the 980 Ti....

<- Huge Nehalem fan, always will be. But ignoring facts is bad for business.
 
No they don't... But the lack of AVX can be a problem for certain operational workloads.


No, they do. They really hit a limit between a GTX 1060 6gb and a GTX 1070 using the fastest chips. You can overclock to get a slight edge but not much really. I push a W3680 at 4 ghz with a GTX 1070 and get on average between a 0 and 10 frame bump when compared to a GTX 1060 6gb on the same system. Yes it holds some games closer to 60 fps ( with most everything turned up ) but it wasn't really worth the upgrade except I got a 1070 stupid cheap. DSR can get a few more frames out of the card by offloading some work from the CPU onto the card but it can also cause stuttering. I use DSR on Mafia III to get stable 55ish frames. It's one of the games that really benefits
 
Its not courage, its me not wanting to spend at least 600 bucks buying new mobo, CPU and ram for a decent upgrade


Are you both saying the extra 2 cores will boost my performance in modern open world games?

I do notice at 4K most demanding games will have my GPU pushing 95 96% usage. Some however dip often. if my GPU is being used ~95% do I still need a faster processor?

yes you need ,your gpu should be 100% in all games and your cpu much less,what is your cpu and memory usage when playing games?

check this post

with lot of games on ultra high 2560x1920 i get 70-80% cpu and 100% gpu ,with battlefield v i get 90-95 cpu ,i am near the limits even with a 6 core cpu.

a 15$ buy that will worth it

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something of all 1366 users that i noticed,i use my pc ONLY for gaming ,no internet nothing else and noticed spectre patches made a bit slower the pc,solution is the program below to disable those microsoft patches

https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm

and found somewhere that this dll is also causing slower pc ,so i deleted it.
C:\Windows\System32\mcupdate_genuineintel.dll

so far all works fine

slow down noticed here as well :
 
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what sort of jump though? I don't care about benchmarks. I care about squeezing more juice out of my 1080 Ti and helping it run games better. Specifically open world games


From what I have read, 1080P is harder on the CPU, if you are gaming at 1440/2k it takes more load off the CPU and puts it onto the GPU
For the 25$ it is worth it to try, that Asrock in your sig should support it.
I had several x58 boards with xeons for folding and BOINC. (8 of them) My w3680 at 4.2ghz with a 1080Ti played every game I threw at it very well on my 24" 1440, 144mhz monitor.
I upgraded all my x58 systemsto x79 E5-1650v1,,75$ or i7-3930k and the x99 2011v3 with xeon E5-1650V3 hexcore. Been getting boards 100-125 and CPUs for around 175-200$
If going to upgrade, Sandy or Ivybridge , save your money. I have a few Asus x79WS boards with 3930k. They have AVX, helps with primegrid and several other programs.
Was not all that much better playing games, than my x58, at least that I noticed anyway. No better at BOINC if not an AVX app.
Get a x99 with a used xeon E5-1650 v3 or i7-5930k They have AVX, AVX2 and FMA3
I also been getting z370 boards for 100-130$ Asrock z370 killer with i5-8600k hexcore. 175-200$ for the CPU Nice fast system with AVX, AVX2 and FMA3

So you can try it for 25 for a x5660 - 80 for a w3680 or spend 350 - 400 for MB, CPU and ram. 100 for the x99 board, 175 for a e5-1650v3 and 100$ for 16gb mem. Same for z370/i5-8600k and mem.
 
If you can overclock normally, a 4 core/ 8 thread X58 will hit about 4.4 ghz and give no nominal benefit over a fast 6 core 12 thread like a W3680 when only gaming. I agree bumping the resolution/ DSR does work but if it's on a 1080P screen then playing with a card that will not be bottlenecked would be ideal and that is right on a GTX 1060 6gb or an RX 590 is nominally slightly faster. The X58 platform can provide around 60 FPS in most open world games at 1080p, and with a GTX 1070 it can do it at 1440P but I think that is the limitation of the age. my box is 8 years old now but I have no immediate plans to upgrade since I'm stuck on a 60hz panel
 
and found somewhere that this dll is also causing slower pc ,so i deleted it.
C:\Windows\System32\mcupdate_genuineintel.dll

those evil motherfuckers


good thing linux gaming is coming along so well
 
yes you need ,your gpu should be 100% in all games and your cpu much less,what is your cpu and memory usage when playing games?

check this post

with lot of games on ultra high 2560x1920 i get 70-80% cpu and 100% gpu ,with battlefield v i get 90-95 cpu ,i am near the limits even with a 6 core cpu.

a 15$ buy that will worth it

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something of all 1366 users that i noticed,i use my pc ONLY for gaming ,no internet nothing else and noticed spectre patches made a bit slower the pc,solution is the program below to disable those microsoft patches

https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm

and found somewhere that this dll is also causing slower pc ,so i deleted it.
C:\Windows\System32\mcupdate_genuineintel.dll

so far all works fine

slow down noticed here as well :


But I game in 4K. And if I am not in 4K, I am playing 1080p3D or 1440p3D. All of which are tasking on the GPU. AC Origins is that one weird game where I do think I hit a little bottleneck here and there. Are you certain a Xeon will do me any good?
If you can overclock normally, a 4 core/ 8 thread X58 will hit about 4.4 ghz and give no nominal benefit over a fast 6 core 12 thread like a W3680 when only gaming. I agree bumping the resolution/ DSR does work but if it's on a 1080P screen then playing with a card that will not be bottlenecked would be ideal and that is right on a GTX 1060 6gb or an RX 590 is nominally slightly faster. The X58 platform can provide around 60 FPS in most open world games at 1080p, and with a GTX 1070 it can do it at 1440P but I think that is the limitation of the age. my box is 8 years old now but I have no immediate plans to upgrade since I'm stuck on a 60hz panel

Are you actually saying I won't see much of a benefit with 6 Core W3680 over the 4C8HT 930 i have right now at 4Ghz becaues you worded that a little wierdly. And yes, the most demanding thing I do on the regular is game and again I game at 4K, or 1080p3D or 1440p3D

From what I have read, 1080P is harder on the CPU, if you are gaming at 1440/2k it takes more load off the CPU and puts it onto the GPU
For the 25$ it is worth it to try, that Asrock in your sig should support it.
I had several x58 boards with xeons for folding and BOINC. (8 of them) My w3680 at 4.2ghz with a 1080Ti played every game I threw at it very well on my 24" 1440, 144mhz monitor.
I upgraded all my x58 systemsto x79 E5-1650v1,,75$ or i7-3930k and the x99 2011v3 with xeon E5-1650V3 hexcore. Been getting boards 100-125 and CPUs for around 175-200$
If going to upgrade, Sandy or Ivybridge , save your money. I have a few Asus x79WS boards with 3930k. They have AVX, helps with primegrid and several other programs.
Was not all that much better playing games, than my x58, at least that I noticed anyway. No better at BOINC if not an AVX app.
Get a x99 with a used xeon E5-1650 v3 or i7-5930k They have AVX, AVX2 and FMA3
I also been getting z370 boards for 100-130$ Asrock z370 killer with i5-8600k hexcore. 175-200$ for the CPU Nice fast system with AVX, AVX2 and FMA3

So you can try it for 25 for a x5660 - 80 for a w3680 or spend 350 - 400 for MB, CPU and ram. 100 for the x99 board, 175 for a e5-1650v3 and 100$ for 16gb mem. Same for z370/i5-8600k and mem.

Thanks for the advise, so it seems the fastest bang for budget would be the 8600k? I was never gonna consider anything around Ivy or sandy.
 
yes xeon and ram ,i was in the same spot with you had i7 950 @ 4ghz and 6gb ram,saw huge performance with xeon and more ram ,i only use my pc for gaming nothing else.video above i think answer all you questions ,this guy has also more x58 videos ,a tutorial as well how to overclock a xeon.
 
i will be a long while before someone convince me that Xeons X56** are obsolete CPUs:
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