Any reason to upgrade from a i7-4770K??

try running any other app like streaming, music of whatever on that 4 core and you will see games like bf1, new cod, bf5 stutter like a broken record. People with 4 cores have to disable origin or steam in game overlay to avoid stutters when using 4 core cpu's, lol. Anything triggered in the background while gaming will result in a slideshow these days, 4 cores are done for multiplayer gaming, accept it and move on.

oc that 4 core to 10ghz, wont make a difference, stutter, fps drops, erratic fps will still occur, more cores/threads are needed for smooth and fluid gameplay, regardless if you hitting that high fps at times on that 4 core cpu.
 
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After reading a couple of threads on here, it looks like a no, but, just curious if there's any good reason to upgrade to something new. Have been out of the game for a while since I built my current system back in 2013. My 4770 is still running strong at 4.3 Ghz without a blip.

Thanks for any help!
We're so close to the Ryzen 2 launch that you might as well wait. When that comes out, it's going to make the 9900K look like Clown Shoes. ;)
 
try running any other app like streaming, music of whatever on that 4 core and you will see games like bf1, new cod, bf5 stutter like a broken record. People with 4 cores have to disable origin or steam in game overlay to avoid stutters when using 4 core cpu's, lol. Anything triggered in the background while gaming will result in a slideshow these days, 4 cores are done for multiplayer gaming, accept it and move on.

oc that 4 core to 10ghz, wont make a difference, stutter, fps drops, erratic fps will still occur, more cores/threads are needed for smooth and fluid gameplay, regardless if you hitting that high fps at times on that 4 core cpu.


Sure, streaming or running a live app like a music player would cause issues, but that was not something you were bringing up before.

No, I don't have to disable origin or steam overlays - another BS statement.

You have a cool new toy. Stop telling people it's a preqrequisite for mp gaming. You sound like someone who belongs on tomshardware not hardocp.
 
I have a 4770k and a 2080 Ti and my Hitman 2 framerates (at 3440x1440) sometimes dip below 30 fps when looking at complex geometry and crowds. I'm not sure if that's normal or if something (like the CPU?) is severely bottlenecking my system. I'll be upgrading in the coming weeks and I'll post back with my findings.
 
We're so close to the Ryzen 2 launch that you might as well wait. When that comes out, it's going to make the 9900K look like Clown Shoes. ;)

Clown shoes? Highly extremely and very doubtful. AMD has a chiplet design. This was done because they simply didn't have the R&D / resources to keep everything on one die like Intel. There are inherent latencies using multiple chips. In fact, AMD has been called out for going this route by many people / companies, namely Intel. I believe even the new Ryzen 2nd Gen Threadripper 2990WX CPU has very serious issues because of this chiplet design in terms of performance. It's an incredibly inefficient design. Most of you don't even know that half the cores on the 2990WX lack direct access to memory. I could name several other short comings but don't want to go into depth and or upset this community. I build Workstations for a living. I would kill my business if I ever suggested one of these to any of my clients.
Make no mistake, Intel is 1000x the size of AMD in about every aspect. AMD is winning the "cores" war .... for now ..... but I doubt Intel will be silent much longer. I'm fully expecting Intel to crush AMD like the cockroach's their are (c) Kevin Leary.

Also, the 9900K is out now and for $500 is a pretty amazing deal. I have mine running at 5Ghz across all 8 Cores / 16 threads. AMD 3000 series? Speculation at this point. I've seen some of the mobile benchmarks for some of the 3xxx mobile parts ... not too impressive.

You guy are of course free to get excited about all those cores but 90% of you are gamers. Let's see what the gaming benchmarks are. I can't wait. I'm fully prepared to change my perspective on this overnight. And it would be easy since I am not a "brand fanboi" ... I'm strictly a slave to performance.
 
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Clown shoes? Highly extremely and very doubtful. AMD has a chiplet design. This was done because they simply didn't have the R&D / resources to keep everything on one die like Intel. There are inherent latencies using multiple chips. In fact, AMD has been called out for going this route by many people / companies, namely Intel. I believe even the new Ryzen 2nd Gen Threadripper 2990WX CPU has very serious issues because of this chiplet design in terms of performance. It's an incredibly inefficient design. Most of you don't even know that half the cores on the 2990WX lack direct access to memory. I could name several other short comings but don't want to go into depth and or upset this community. I build Workstations for a living. I would kill my business if I ever suggested one of these to any of my clients.
Make no mistake, Intel is 1000x the size of AMD in about every aspect. AMD is winning the "cores" war .... for now ..... but I doubt Intel will be silent much longer. I'm fully expecting Intel to crush AMD like the cockroach's their are (c) Kevin Leary.

Also, the 9900K is out now and for $500 is a pretty amazing deal. I have mine running at 5Ghz across all 8 Cores / 16 threads. AMD 3000 series? Speculation at this point. I've seen some of the mobile benchmarks for some of the 3xxx mobile parts ... not too impressive.

You guy are of course free to get excited about all those cores but 90% of you are gamers. Let's see what the gaming benchmarks are. I can't wait. I'm fully prepared to change my perspective on this overnight. And it would be easy since I am not a "brand fanboi" ... I'm strictly a slave to performance.
A couple things here. AMD will be the first to hit 7nm, and they MIGHT get their single thread to be on par with intel, maybe. I don't disagree with your assessment of the inefficiency of AMDs designs. Their chips may very well wipe the floor with the 9900K in the core wars, probably not in the single thread stuff. I'm running 9600K at 5 Ghz as my main rig, instead of my Ryzen 1700 at 3.9 for a reason. Most of the applications I use take advantage of Intel compiled software. So, they all run better on Intel.

The reason why I say it will make the 9900K look like Clown Shoes is that it will, likely (remains to be seen), offer most if not all the performance of the 14nm 9900K at half the price for most people. AMD was, after all, beating Intel with a middle of the road engineering sample in their presentations. They now have a lead in nm. That's not to say it will last forever, I fully expect Intel to come back and release something that rocks. However, AMD also allows for at least one more generation to use the same socket. Intel will release a totally new chipset with every release. So, it's not everyone's cup of tea. Nor is it so for getting 5Ghz on all cores of the 9900K. The casual system builder is not gonna buy the 9900K. Only the elite buy those. Even I did care for it, I don't need it. Most don't.

The core of the matter is that AMD's 7nm is going to make most of Intel's 14nm product lineup look like trash. Maybe not the 9900K, but we don't know yet. Likely on a price/ performance level quite easily tho. When Intel releases a viable 10 nm (laptops at the end of 2019 and Desktops at the beginning of 2020... That's a long damn time in the tech industry) product or gets to 7nm in 2+ years... we will see. Until then, AMD is the best value (even though I don't plan on adopting one because I'm happy with what I have). Competition is good, however, I only buy what suits my needs and was totally underwhelmed the Ryzen. It was good, but not a good match for what I want a CPU for.

I always buy the best product for my needs. The Ryzen purchase was a test and I was never happy with it. So, not everyone is the brand fanboi you suggest. For someone moving from a quad setup right now (the OP), hell, they need to wait and see what AMD is about to release before jumping on the 9900K because that's a massive, possibly even wasteful, investment. Seeing as the socket it's on is likely at the end of it's lifespan and will not accept another CPU in 2020.

AMD's mobile 3000 series will never be anything special since it's on 12nm. It's not 7nm. Not yet. Likely some other binding agreement with Global Foundries.
 
Chpilet design on the new Ryzen/ AMD chips is going to have some growing pains, and add some latency. Don't expect too much improvment over current AMD offerings.
 
Chpilet design on the new Ryzen/ AMD chips is going to have some growing pains, and add some latency. Don't expect too much improvment over current AMD offerings.
Again, I don't disagree about some added latency. However, if it's true that the Ryzen 2 is decoupling the infinity fabric from the RAM frequency and the I/O die is taking over I would still imagine that the latency would be lower than it is now. Considering it's now handled by hardware right next to the Chiplet(s).
 
when either has thier own OS to run the hardware manufactured than I'll be pleased,I remember pushing to the bigblue server in the sseventies,never did get paid for that image(nutbust era),was just a starting point anyhow but no departures from the patch from either
 
I have a 4770k and a 2080 Ti and my Hitman 2 framerates (at 3440x1440) sometimes dip below 30 fps when looking at complex geometry and crowds. I'm not sure if that's normal or if something (like the CPU?) is severely bottlenecking my system. I'll be upgrading in the coming weeks and I'll post back with my findings.

also make sure to get ddr4 3200mhz or above, around 3600mhz is the sweet spot.

that cpu and ram of yours right now is just too slow to feed that monster GPU.
 
when either has thier own OS to run the hardware manufactured than I'll be pleased,I remember pushing to the bigblue server in the sseventies,never did get paid for that image(nutbust era),was just a starting point anyhow but no departures from the patch from either

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also make sure to get ddr4 3200mhz or above, around 3600mhz is the sweet spot.

that cpu and ram of yours right now is just too slow to feed that monster GPU.
I have to disagree, as long as he has 16GB he should be fine. His system ram speed isn't going to make that much of a difference at all. Some games, sure, not all. Frostbite tends to be rather touchy with ram speeds and you can pickup some FPS. He would have to have a very high end board to support faster DDR3 speeds from that Chipset Era (something like a Z97).

Your recommendation is good advice if he buys a totally new system, but his current one can't support anything other than DDR3.
 
Only the OP can tell if a CPU upgrade is needed and the best way to do this is to test the games he plays at 720p and if the FPS are fine then no a CPU upgrade is not needed but if they drop below what he considers acceptable then yes a CPU upgrade will fix that.
If a CPU upgrade is needed maybe it is due to it wanting extra cores or maybe it is a older game with bad threading that drops under 60FPS due to insufficient single core performance made worse by the overhead from AMD GPU in DX11 games.

If it is just for gaming without streaming I would be happy with 9700k rather than 9900k or just wait for Ryzen II.

If he has slow RAM on his current CPU then it is ~10-15% slower in most games than a 4770k with high speed RAM. (I am not suggesting upgrading DDR3 RAM) But keeping this in mind could mean larger gains are possible from a upgrade than one may expect as 10-15% puts it around 2600K performance level, Assuming similar clocks and higher speed RAM on the older CPU.

The suggestion for 3600 DDR4 is only good if you specify c16 as 3600c19 is slower than 3200c14 and around the same as 3000c15. (Obviously needs a new system)
3200c14\3600c16 use Samsung b die which can hit around 4000c17 with 1.4-1.5v while higher binned kits like 3600c15 may go higher depending on the CPU\MB.

Overclocking my 3200c14 kit to 4000c17 increases performance in most games more than overclocking the 6700K from 4.2GHz to 4.7GHz, Together they make for a very noticeable improvement in the few game sections that are badly CPU bound to below 60FPS.
But most games are GPU bound by my GTX1070 at 1440p in which higher CPU\RAM speed doesn't make a noticeable difference.

As to the NVMe SSD higher CPU\RAM speed can boost load times as much or more than a faster SSD as the bottlneck often becomes decompressing the files not reading them from the drive but this depends on the software.
 
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Ok so I upgraded my system and the difference is night and day. As mentioned, I was previously getting 30 fps (or sometimes even less) in complex areas of Hitman 2, even with a 2080 Ti. Once I upgraded the rest of my components, all of a sudden I was getting 90-100+ fps in those same areas.

Previous:
4770k
16GB DDR3 2400
2080 Ti

New:
9900k
16GB DDR4 3200
2080 Ti
 
I upgraded from a 3570K to a 7700K. Once I knew the 7700K would die socket wise in less than a year, I should've slammed my head against a brick wall for that dumbass move. The 9900K doesn't turn me on. I'm looking at the new Ryzen/TR when it comes out. I'm done with intel.
 
Ok so I upgraded my system and the difference is night and day. As mentioned, I was previously getting 30 fps (or sometimes even less) in complex areas of Hitman 2, even with a 2080 Ti. Once I upgraded the rest of my components, all of a sudden I was getting 90-100+ fps in those same areas.

Previous:
4770k
16GB DDR3 2400
2080 Ti

New:
9900k
16GB DDR4 3200
2080 Ti


Great to see that you are getting better performance with a new CPU, enjoy it.
 
Ok so I upgraded my system and the difference is night and day. As mentioned, I was previously getting 30 fps (or sometimes even less) in complex areas of Hitman 2, even with a 2080 Ti. Once I upgraded the rest of my components, all of a sudden I was getting 90-100+ fps in those same areas.

Previous:
4770k
16GB DDR3 2400
2080 Ti

New:
9900k
16GB DDR4 3200
2080 Ti

Very cool! Always happy to see someone happy with an upgrade! What clock speed was your 4770k running at? looks like a big clock speed an dram speed jump as well.
 
4770k was stock. Never overclocked it.

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After reading a couple of threads on here, it looks like a no, but, just curious if there's any good reason to upgrade to something new. Have been out of the game for a while since I built my current system back in 2013. My 4770 is still running strong at 4.3 Ghz without a blip.

Thanks for any help!

If you have money burning a hole in your pocket, sure. ;)
 
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