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Four days after launch, AMD's Radeon VII is still not widely available
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dvsman
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Wow - New Egg is definitely the way to go then if you haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Yeah way too easy to get one.
Overclockers.uk still has alot left.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/amd/radeon-rx-vega-7#
If this was a real shortage, their would be absolutely nothing left.
Newegg has no stock at the moment but stock has been been coming and going like any other initial launch.
It still says in stock today in Canada. I think AMD is making money on these day 1 which is why the supply is actually reasonable.
If we want to see why, we just look how much the price of normal memory has fallen nowadays.
The price of memory has taken a massive dive compared to when Vega VII launched, look at DDR4 pricing, it has fallen about 45%.. This indirectly impact HBM2 prices because it means a oversupply in the market for DDR4 and this allows a greater quantity of HBM2 to be produced. The entire electronics industry which now includes phones and telecom is in a downturn which is causing these fabs to go idle. These Fabs need to run at 100% capacity or near 100 it or they incur huge losses. This is why memory can fall to incredibly low prices during over supply moment because shutting down isn't an option. We have already seen this have a dramatic effect on SSD prices. With a plummet of demand of memory along with samsung and hynix ramping up, HBM2 has likely fallen to much lower prices to reflect the ramp up from Vega 56/64 and Volta.
All memory across the board dropped in price.
More specific HBM2 related news is samsung was already producing more HBM2 then hynix which the original HBM2 price was mentioned, since then samsung has ramped up production greatly.
https://www.techpowerup.com/245531/samsung-doubles-its-hbm2-output-may-still-fall-short-of-demand
With the great slowdown of sales with Vega RX and slowdowns in the data center market, there is likely now an oversupply of HBM2 on the market. Vega RX was likely the single biggest user in terms of volume. It would not surprise me to see Vega RX cards demand to have fallen in half at this point which is reflected by the below MSRP pricing today vs above MSRP pricing. Probably even more. So without that demand from Vega RX to eat up the ramped production from samsung and hynix for HBM2? What is going to happen?
Over supply and falling prices. Simple economics. What translate into way more profit when it is AMD single most expensive component. Note the 350 dollar price difference between an RX 56 and Radeon VII(both are cut downs).
It almost a guarantee that Radeon VII produces more profit per card than Vega.
2 Stack of HBM + a 7nm die(2/3rds) the size of an Vega 64 don't add 350 dollars to the BOM of Vega 56 which sells for $350.
$700-Vega RX cost - 2 stacks of HBM2 - additional cost of 7nm wafer = profit
This seems more profitable than
$350 - Vega RX cost = profit.
As a result, it would not surprise me to see Radeon VII with 1 less HBM stack at 599 in the future.
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Whoa MC has them in stock. Oh my....
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Newegg has an XFX for sale right now.
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Not MC near me though, I checked online and didn't see any in the Washington, DC area. Maybe it just started coming into the retailers?
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Here's the link I just found in case anyone is interested - Power Color branding
https://www.microcenter.com/product/602427/radeon-vii-triple-fan-16gb-hbm2-pcie-video-card
https://www.microcenter.com/product/602427/radeon-vii-triple-fan-16gb-hbm2-pcie-video-card
That's terrible. Videocards are not a high turnover device.
With variables like mining and with the lack of maturity on the 7nm along with the so so fans found on reference, it's absolute too short.
If AMD wants to gain consumer confidence about buying an AMD reference while absorbing the extra profit that goes along with it, they need a minimum 2 year warranty. Falling below industry standards when your a new player is not a good thing and can easily lead to failure.
Nvidia warranty is 3 years which is closer to industry standards. 1 year with all shipping paid by the consumer? The worst warranty I have ever seen. Does AMD want to fail. Have confidence in your product and reflect this by the warranty length.
I bet alot of buyers on the AMD website didn't know this.
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It's like they tried to make the worst consumer warranty ever for videocards.
No shipping expenses covered.
No warranty for second owner.
And very specific terms that allow them to get off warrantying a card that has been overclocked or cooler changed. Below is AMD's potential voids for warranty.
THIS LIMITED WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY TO YOUR PRODUCT IF AMD DETERMINES IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION THAT THE ALLEGED FAILURE OF THE PRODUCT TO MATERIALLY CONFORM TO THE SPECIFICATIONS DOES NOT EXIST OR WAS CAUSED BY, RELATED TO OR AROSE OUT OF MISUSE, NEGLECT, IMPROPER USE, INSTALLATION OR TESTING, UNAUTHORIZED ATTEMPTS TO OPEN, ALTER, REPAIR OR MODIFY THE PRODUCT OR SOFTWARE, UNAUTHORIZED ATTEMPTS TO REMOVE OR ALTER ORIGINAL IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS, OPERATION OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIFICATIONS (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WHERE CLOCK FREQUENCIES OR VOLTAGES HAVE BEEN ALTERED – EVEN WITH USE OF AMD SOFTWARE), COMBINATIONS WITH INCOMPATIBLE THIRD PARTY PRODUCTS, THIRD PARTY VIRUS, INFECTION, WORM OR SIMILAR MALICIOUS CODE OR ANY OTHER CAUSE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE INTENDED USE OF THE PRODUCT, OR BY ACCIDENT, FIRE, LIGHTNING, FLOOD, OTHER HAZARDS, OR ACTS OF GOD. THIS LIMITED WARRANTY WILL NOT APPLY TO PRODUCTS USED FOR NUCLEAR RELATED, WEAPONS RELATED, MEDICAL OR LIFE SAVING PURPOSES, OR ANY OTHER SITUATION WHERE THE FAILURE OF SUCH PRODUCTS MIGHT BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO CAUSE INJURY TO PERSON OR PROPERTY.
Belows is Nvidia's.
Any problems that do not relate specifically to a manufacturing defect or hardware product failure, including, but not limited to, problems caused by abuse, misuse, negligence, act of God (such as flood), misapplication of service by a party other than an authorized service representative, software, shipment damages, etc.
This is a recipe for AMD to lose fans if something happens.
This terribly sucks for resellers.
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Sapphire is a 2 year per newegg product page.
In terms of the reason why this reason protect AMD and not the consumer has to deal with the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act.
The problem is AMD is very specific which covers their basis and allows the to void your warranty much easier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act
Any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty must disclose, fully and conspicuously, in simple and readily understood language, the terms and conditions of the warranty to the extent required by rules of the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC has enacted regulations governing the disclosure of written consumer product warranty terms and conditions on consumer products actually costing the consumer more than $5. The Rules can be found at 16 C.F.R. Part 700.
Under the terms of the Act, ambiguous statements in a warranty are construed against the drafter of the warranty.
Likewise, service contracts must fully, clearly, and conspicuously disclose their terms and conditions in simple and readily understood language.
The more specific the contract in terms of scenarios and judgement, the more AMD is protected against you filing a claim. This on top of the sole discretion clause.
THIS LIMITED WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY TO YOUR PRODUCT IF AMD DETERMINES IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION.
https://www.lawinsider.com/clause/sole-and-absolute-discretion
It gives AMD all the power in the world to void your warranty unless you want to bring them to court. This is the worst warranty ever because it gives AMD all the power and gives them essentially all the possibilities to void your warranty.
E.g Your card is sent to AMD, they deem it fried because of improper operating conditions. You have it sent back at your cost and have it looked at by an electrical engineer, they say it was an electronics failure. Unless you want to bring it to court, your SOL even with that second opinion because of the sole discretion clause. No mediators or third party opinions to even out the odds since AMD is clearly the beneficiary if they void your warranty.
This warranty isn't just not great, it's anti consumer because it doesn't protect the consumer but protects AMD from filing a warranty claim on top of its length and terms being the worst in the industry and being difficult to find before purchase. When you add in that AMD.com is readily available compared to partners, this looks a pure greed move(because buying from partners would give consumers better warranty at the expense of AMD of AMD absorbing the partner and retailer margin) which somehow some people people are willing to overlook because of poor generalizations(it's almost as bad as the worst warranties in the business which means its industry practice) and allows AMD to get away with lowering the bar
The problem is AMD is very specific which covers their basis and allows the to void your warranty much easier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act
Any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty must disclose, fully and conspicuously, in simple and readily understood language, the terms and conditions of the warranty to the extent required by rules of the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC has enacted regulations governing the disclosure of written consumer product warranty terms and conditions on consumer products actually costing the consumer more than $5. The Rules can be found at 16 C.F.R. Part 700.
Under the terms of the Act, ambiguous statements in a warranty are construed against the drafter of the warranty.
Likewise, service contracts must fully, clearly, and conspicuously disclose their terms and conditions in simple and readily understood language.
The more specific the contract in terms of scenarios and judgement, the more AMD is protected against you filing a claim. This on top of the sole discretion clause.
THIS LIMITED WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY TO YOUR PRODUCT IF AMD DETERMINES IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION.
https://www.lawinsider.com/clause/sole-and-absolute-discretion
It gives AMD all the power in the world to void your warranty unless you want to bring them to court. This is the worst warranty ever because it gives AMD all the power and gives them essentially all the possibilities to void your warranty.
E.g Your card is sent to AMD, they deem it fried because of improper operating conditions. You have it sent back at your cost and have it looked at by an electrical engineer, they say it was an electronics failure. Unless you want to bring it to court, your SOL even with that second opinion because of the sole discretion clause. No mediators or third party opinions to even out the odds since AMD is clearly the beneficiary if they void your warranty.
This warranty isn't just not great, it's anti consumer because it doesn't protect the consumer but protects AMD from filing a warranty claim on top of its length and terms being the worst in the industry and being difficult to find before purchase. When you add in that AMD.com is readily available compared to partners, this looks a pure greed move(because buying from partners would give consumers better warranty at the expense of AMD of AMD absorbing the partner and retailer margin) which somehow some people people are willing to overlook because of poor generalizations(it's almost as bad as the worst warranties in the business which means its industry practice) and allows AMD to get away with lowering the bar
Thank you for information on warranty, I see it was 1 year, I didn't know they'd void warranty for anything.
It's seems very shady, I think I will AMD return the card and speak with my wallet until other Radeon VII as asus msi and such.
I won't support company that void your warranty for anything, even if there at fault.
Thanks for clearing that up, 1 year warranty I'm not excited about, its reason box is steeled, been looking non stop.
I normally buy used save money, I got wreck settlement.
I knew risk of problems with drivers and such, I never bought gpu or cpu same day they come out.
That is not the case. Remember AMD.com warranty is not a full warranty and specified as limited warranty so does not need to meet federal regulations and just has to agree with the terms of the contract of the warranty which has to be in specific terms.
A wide range of specific terms, as longs as they state it, now gives AMD.com the right to void your warranty if it falls under one of those conditions.
As a result, vagueness benefit the consumer because of the stipulation in the
Under the terms of the Act, ambiguous statements in a warranty are construed against the drafter of the warranty.
E.g Where all warranties state abuse/misuse. This does not mean slight change in clocks or voltage allowed by wattman under everyone else warranty. It's too vague and with other warranties not saying overclocking specifically voids warranty, its reasonable to assume misuse does not include overclocking within software limits. Particularly when most products pages mention overclocking in some manner including Nvidia product pages.
AMD.com warranty specifically mentions without limits any change in clocks/voltage even when using their software can void warranty. As a result, AMD has the right to avoid your warranty because they mention in their agreement. The specificness of AMD warranty works against consumers. When you add the sole discretion clause, it gives them the right to void your warranty based on their judgement.
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