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Radeon 7 (Vega 2, 7nm, 16GB) - $699 available Feb 7th with 3 games
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SeymourGore
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Can you smell her?
ok, thats just some cool shit there.
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Many folks who've now recieved their cards are starting to report undervolting is working wonders for them. Stable clocks, lowered power draw, heat etc
The story is, the first 10 purchases on the Radeon VII off AMD.com will have a hand written note from Lisa Su. Out of curiosity, whats the time stamp on the first email you received from AMD.com on your order?
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I thought undervolting didn't work or was that just with the review drivers?
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Might be fine for gaming, but certain loads (maybe compute?) might make it take dump
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Has anyone gotten their shipping notice form And.com? I got my order in at like 6:05 and got a confirmation and then a PP receipt but nothing from AMD.
My first one is in transit from Newegg.
My first one is in transit from Newegg.
Undervolting definitely works and just like with Vega, the Radeon VII has a lot of extra voltage pumped in that in "most" cases is not needed (silicone lottery). The extra voltage is done across the board to simply get better yields out of a die and throwaway (wa$te) less GPU's. Reports are most people can lower their voltage 15-25% and still maintain full performance / stability.
Well, most reviewers aren't that great at what they do. Undervolting is not on they're radar. Just like most, if any, don't do any real compute performance on stuff that alot of people on this or other forums want to see. Think folding, crunching, etc.
Yes, I ordered mine off AMD.com within minutes of it being available for purchase. Got my tracking email from AMD yesterday evening. Check you AMD.com order detail emails, there is a link to check order status on AMD's website
Feb 7 at 9:10 AM
What time zone? I assume you paid extra for prioritized shipping? I took standard ground as the card ships out of Minnesota (live 70 miles away from shipper). My card wont get here until Monday.
Time Stamp on my first email (Order Submitted) was 8:24am CST.
Many does not equal all. Neither AMD nor nVidia volt per card.
I think most reviewers used review drivers that didn’t support undervolting.
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Thanks for the info listed above, I found my order and have a tracking number but it hasn't even been picked up by Fedex. It days it won't be here(Oregon) until Thursday which is BS. I ordered at like 6:10 PST since I had to do NE first since they went live before AMD.com did.
What's sucks even more is I paid NE for upgraded shipping (which was 85% more) and my card which left CA won't be here until Monday. It's fucking BS. I would have paid the extra $8 for overnight if that had given me an estimate and said the other would not have been here u til Monday.
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That's a good point. I have one incoming and will use it expressly for gaming and light content creation. If thermals and noise can't be reduced a bit, however, through undervolting, it's going back.
Received mine about 45 minutes ago from Newegg. Haven't decided if I should swap my 390x out for it or try reselling the card as sealed BNIB. With power, noise, performance, and drivers as it is I don't expect the card to hold value for long unless it has value to somebody as a compute card.
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Just plugged mine in. Used DDU to remove the old driver first. Installed 19.2.1
Immediate soft lockup in wattman as soon as I adjusted the fan speed. LOL!
Immediate soft lockup in wattman as soon as I adjusted the fan speed. LOL!
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well try afterburner lol.....but it is odd a fan speed adjustment would do that lol.....wattman as a hole has worked very well for me. its possible that ddu didnt help you in the first place
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I ended task on it and was able to get back in. She's a warm runner gents. Furmark 1920x1080 8XAA and it gets close to 80c/110c. Fans spin up to about 2800rpm or so. They are audible and not quiet. About what I expected. For me I'm fairly used to that having run a vega mining rig.
Will attempt some games this evening probably TD2 beta.
Will attempt some games this evening probably TD2 beta.
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I thought AB didn't work w/ Vega 2? Or is that with just the clocks and voltage?
Undervolting adds alot of work and need to be equally applied to all cards if they are going to do that. That a whole lot of future work. They can't just do it to AMD cards because Nvidia has huge gains with efficiency with undervolting too.
AIB RTX 2080 undervolted with only a 5% performance loss but using only 137watts of power(89 watt reduction).
AIB MSI gaming X RTX 2080 ti undervolted, this time with a 7% loss in performance but using only 160watts(140watt reduction)
This put AMD in the same position if not worse when both cards are undervolted when it comes to performance per watt.
Card manufacturers have to volt for the worst case scenario, rather then the best. As we have seen with any card, there are some real lemons when it comes to cards and some come with zero headroom at stock clocks.
If we are going to undervolt all cards, its going to destroy the reproducibility of performance in reviews and manufacturers will just send cherry picked samples.
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Is there a good guide for trying this on vega/radeon 7? I haven't done it much myself, other than applying power tables someone else came up with when I was mining.
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Well FWIW wattman does seem to adjust voltage as commanded. I dropped it down to 990mv and kept the core clock set same as before. I haven't touched the memory settings yet. Fan speeds seem to peak lower, around 2500rpm. T-junction temps are lower by at least 5 degrees though the typical core reading ends up about the same, around 80c. I need to do a lot more testing though before I know this is stable, was just a 10 minute furmark pass.
Wattman tends to ignore core settings once you undervolt and downclocks the card slightly. I'm not sure why, but I've seen it do that before with vega 64 too.
Wattman tends to ignore core settings once you undervolt and downclocks the card slightly. I'm not sure why, but I've seen it do that before with vega 64 too.
Would not assume to say selling or keeping the Radeon VII is the right move for you. Personally, I feel at this point I'll leverage / see more value out of the Radeon VII extra memory and 1TB bandwidth than I would with a RTX 2080 and Ray Tracing and DLSS over the next 2-3 years before I upgrade my GPU. Additionally, the high failure rate of RTX 2070 / 2080 cards gives me pause as well. Here are my thoughts on your concerns...
* Power - Many report being able to undervolt their card averaging 15-25%. Simple slider in wattman and your set. This brings the Radeon VII matching the 2080 and depending on how good your silicone is, lower than the 2080.
* Noise - Undervolting alone seems to address the noise outright. Still, the fan curves need work and unquestionably will be addressed in future driver / bios updates. If your unwilling to wait, you can crate your own custom fan curves in wattman.
* Performance - At 1440p the Radeon VII is about 4% "average" slower than a 2080 across today's most popular games. At 4k, the gap is lower 2-3%. Bear in mind, the golden rule still applies here. DX12, vulkan, and AMD game partner games do better on Radeon cards while DX11 and Nvidia game partner titles do better on Turning and Pascal cards. Radeon VII is brand new, performance will only get better as drivers improve.
* Drivers - Without a doubt, the drivers need work with bug fixes & optimization. Clearly the driver developers needed more time and it shows. The RTX launch was no different and drivers were also unstable and buggy. With over 25 years in PC gaming, I can tell you from experience being a early adapter of new tech frequently comes with some measure of frustration as often software & driver development lag behind product release. Driver updates and new bios releases will fix the annoyances we currently see with Radeon VII.
I have a strong AMD bias. Really detest Nvidia and Intel both as they have L..O..N..G histories of atrocious anti consumer / anti competitive behavior so as a rule I avoid $upporting them. You could sell the Radeon VII and hold out for Navi, but rumor has it we wont see cards hit shelves until 4th quarter this year. Additionally, Navi has always been regarded as a mid-tier replacement for Polaris RX400 / 500 cards. All indicators currently point to Arcturus in 2020 for a new flagship / high end AMD GPU.
Basically this boils down, to NVidia hatred/AMD Fandom, because nearly everything else there is inconsequential.
Who cares about questionable value of Ray Tracing, the 2080 outperforms the Vega 7 in conventional games at the same price.
NVidia is price gouging but when AMD delivers worse performance for the same price it isn't price gouging?
I undervolted to 1053 (~50mv) with no other changes and it dropped 'temperature' and 'junction temperature' by about 5C each while running 3dMark Time Spy. Dropping to 1000 caused soft crashes but lowered the temperatures by an additional 10C each before crashing.
EDIT: Crashed in R6: Siege so reverting to stock.
EDIT: Crashed in R6: Siege so reverting to stock.
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15-25%? Wah?
The core on my card defaults to 1057mv. Who is getting away with < 900mv at stock clock speeds?
Interesting! My Sapphire card defaulted to 1108.
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Funny how you partially quote me while omitting my supporting context. My reasoning and opinions are well defined and plainly stated. If this.... is what you took away from what I said, it is clear any further discussion with you would simply be a waste of time.
More than a few threads discussing undervolting on the Radeon VII. From what I've seen (at this very early point) many are reporting success with a 150mv drop. A "few" have reported 220-250ish drops and safe to say hit the jackpot in the silicone lottery. So the 15-25% is a loose aggregate and quite preliminary.
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Mine is a sapphire and is defaulting to a different core voltage than the earlier poster. 19.2.1 driver. Very odd.
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Kind of odd there eh? Hmmm... Same exact model card brand new and different default vcore. WTF
Just played some of the TD2 beta in 4k resolution. Temps never got over low 60s. This is with the core voltage set to 924mv and the fan set to around 2650rpm. Furmark pushes it harder, into the lower 70s.
Just played some of the TD2 beta in 4k resolution. Temps never got over low 60s. This is with the core voltage set to 924mv and the fan set to around 2650rpm. Furmark pushes it harder, into the lower 70s.
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Most likely you simply hit the silicon lottery. Hard to tell without using the cards in the exact same setup but thst is my take.
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Lottery winner? Hardly.
924mv was not stable it's back up to 950mv now for more testing. TD2 beta was rebooting my system last night at 924. In furmark, 950mv core results in 75c peak core temperatures unless the fan is spun up to 2750rpm. So, the undervolts really aren't doing a heck of a lot for me. The fan still needs to spin up, just not quite as fast as it was. The benefit has been marginal. And no, my case does have decent air flow.
74 fahrenheit ambient.
924mv was not stable it's back up to 950mv now for more testing. TD2 beta was rebooting my system last night at 924. In furmark, 950mv core results in 75c peak core temperatures unless the fan is spun up to 2750rpm. So, the undervolts really aren't doing a heck of a lot for me. The fan still needs to spin up, just not quite as fast as it was. The benefit has been marginal. And no, my case does have decent air flow.
74 fahrenheit ambient.