Radeon VII: Buy first, read reviews later

best thing I can say about this new card- the 3 free games- Resident Evil 2, Division 2 and Devil May Cry 5...the 16GB VRAM is nice but also overkill
 
These have been in stock at Newegg for like 40 minutes now.

*Posted the wrong like and went back to get the correct one* Nvm just sold out.
 
Krenum said:
Extremely loud, power hungry & not competitively priced to performance, yep. Its what we all thought it would be
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crazy that they thought they could charge $700 for this...they keep hyping HBM2 but I don't see the advantages in real world gaming usage
 
polonyc2 said:
crazy that they thought they could charge $700 for this...they keep hyping HBM2 but I don't see the advantages in real world gaming usage
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That and according to the HWC review, I don't see any advantage in productivity either.
 
Ocellaris said:
If people only watch one review, that HWC one isn’t going to sell many cards :p
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People shouldn't watch just one review. I've seen many and they all have pretty much the same outcome. Disappointing.
 
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polonyc2 said:
crazy that they thought they could charge $700 for this...they keep hyping HBM2 but I don't see the advantages in real world gaming usage
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Not only Can, they but they Did!
And sold out of all 5000 world wide ;)
This is a niche product, 5000 units is crumbs to Nvidia, but AMD could probably price it at $900 and still sell 5000 units
 
Archaea said:
I think the 1080TI might go down as one of the best graphics cards of all time. It was a big jump, and held the crown for a long time, and even when supplanted by the 2080TI performance, its usefulness was not lost, or blown away, as the software/game engines haven't caught up yet.

I can play every game out today on max settings at 3440x1440 @ >60 FPS which is a much stiffer requirement than the most common 1080p or 1440p resolutions. The 1080ti is a card that was actually ahead of the software technology. I can't remember a graphics card through history that was so ahead of the software/game engine curve, and two years later there isn't even a dent in it's gaming capability. The idea that this Radeon VII is near 1080TI performance levels is nice for sure - and the same sufficiency observations apply -- but some of us have been at this level already for 1.5 or 2 years - for the same price of entry - as harmattan stated.
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Uh, 8800GTX has a serious bone to pick with you on that one. 1080Ti is a great card. The 8800GTX is a legendary card.
 
vegeta535 said:
I don't think so. AMD is a smaller company then either Nvidia and Intel. AMD just don't have R&D funding as them. Intel fucked up and got complacent and milked it. Nvidia is now doing the same and giving AMD a chance to catch up. AMD needs to blow up the GPU divisions and built a new GPU from the ground up like they did with Ryzen.
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From a business point of view, AMD is doing just fine in the gpu department. They will most likely be used for the next consoles. Despite uber cool RTX 2080ti cards, nobody seems to want to do business with nvidia anymore including Sony, Apple, and even Intel.
 
XoR_ said:
Used 1080Ti costs actually less than RTX 2070 and have the same feature set as Radeon VII including FreeSync support
So what is the point to this new AMD card really? It seems they just had it and thought "why not release it?"
And it is probably already sold out so that is that XD
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The drivers suck, nobody can deny that. However, TPU used about 90% dx11 games in their 2019 test. I just don't know if that is a TPU or dx12 failure.
 
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Nightfire said:
From a business point of view, AMD is doing just fine in the gpu department. They will most likely be used for the next consoles. Despite uber cool RTX 2080ti cards, nobody seems to want to do business with nvidia anymore including Sony, Apple, and even Intel.
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Except you don't know how well the GPU is doing from AMD as AMD lump both CPU and GPU revenue together. R&D is slowly going up which is always a good thing but again, we don't know what are the R&D split between all their division.

While Nvidia might have miss its mark with RTX release, they are clearly not hurting from not having Sony, Apple or Intel as their customer since their Net Income still eclipse AMD from both recent financials quarters.
 
vegeta535 said:
I don't think so. AMD is a smaller company then either Nvidia and Intel. AMD just don't have R&D funding as them. Intel fucked up and got complacent and milked it. Nvidia is now doing the same and giving AMD a chance to catch up. AMD needs to blow up the GPU divisions and built a new GPU from the ground up like they did with Ryzen.
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Navi should be the last of GCN, Arcturus should be the Next-Gen architecture we are looking for...
 
sleepybp said:
Brute forcing its way with higher power consumption and equal to 2080 performance.
It will delivery plenty of performance but imo its quite embarrasing to see this 7nm gpu matching the 16nm 2080. Time for AMD to retire GCN, praying for next gen AMD to bring competition back.
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Well the 2080 is 12nm and the 1080ti seems to match that, which is 16nm.

Louder, hotter, more power hungry than nVidia. Now where did I see that...

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_680/25.html

No doubt if I was buying a $700 card today it would be nVidia just as if I was buying a $500 in 2012. Still, it might be worth waiting to see where performance goes as we know how that battle ended.
 
ccityinstaller said:
One of the things that seems to be lost in all the noise is the insane frame times of the card. They are better then the 2080 (despite lower overall fps) and often better then the 2080TI.
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No.

Look here:



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https://techreport.com/review/34453/amd-radeon-vii-graphics-card-reviewed/9
 
polonyc2 said:
sounds like the Radeon 7 will be on par with the RTX 2080 with no RT or DLSS features and around the same price point...I don't see why anyone would get the Radeon 7 over the 2080
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16gb is a usable feature guranteed as vram almost always becomes a limit.
The marketing fluff only so far in two benchmarks or bfjw means absolutely zero to me and isnt particularly impressive, nor can the 2080 really do it at playable framerates, ti only just scrapes in my book. So it's not really much of an advantage even if there was more than one game at this point, Nvidia is literally pulling an hbcc/wait for vega bs and because it's green this time, people eat it up like fools.

'Fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me... You can't get fooled again!'"
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Krenum said:
Extremely loud, power hungry & not competitively priced to performance, yep. Its what we all thought it would be.

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Well, I didn’t expect it to be extremely loud and power hungry due to 7nm but here we are. Guess that’s why you wait for reviews.

Never was a fan of the VRAM being on the die and jacking up the heat density since it’s harder to cool. Probably doesn’t help.
 
I know its slim chance, Earlier wells fargo banking system went down, couldnt get cash or use debit/credit card's. or use paypal. All my payments got turned down, Now my card works.

But All places seem be sold out of Radeon VII, Would anyone know of place be in stock?

I'd be forever great full.
 
Gulkor said:
I know its slim chance, Earlier wells fargo banking system went down, couldnt get cash or use debit/credit card's. or use paypal. All my payments got turned down, Now my card works.

But All places seem be sold out of Radeon VII, Would anyone know of place be in stock?

I'd be forever great full.
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eBay!
 
Hey Gulkor. You still want one after reading those reviews?

I have a sapphire on the way. Tell you what, it's here this weekend. If I put it in my computer and get black screens and reboots then I might be willing to sell it right then and there. Especially if it's noisier than my rog strix vega 64. Which it just might be based on what I've seen so far.
 
Dayaks said:
Well, I didn’t expect it to be extremely loud and power hungry due to 7nm but here we are. Guess that’s why you wait for reviews.

Never was a fan of the VRAM being on the die and jacking up the heat density since it’s harder to cool. Probably doesn’t help.
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He pretty much shredded the Radeon VII. His tests show there's little to no reason to purchase one unless you are just completely anti-Nvidia. The performance is there, but it's a power hog and sounds like a hair dryer. I think if AMD was able to get this card out at $599, instead of $699, it may have been worth overlooking the cons.
 
KazeoHin said:
Let me spoil the reviews for you:

It is faster than the 2080 in DX12 and vulkan titles by 5-10%.

It is slower than the 2080 in DX11/OGL titles by about 5-10%.

It pulls over 300w of power from the wall.

It is not that loud but it runs really hot.

It can't overclock very well.
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While I am and will always be the [H]ard Prophet, I find it eerie how accurate this was...
 
Gulkor said:
I know its slim chance, Earlier wells fargo banking system went down, couldnt get cash or use debit/credit card's. or use paypal. All my payments got turned down, Now my card works.

But All places seem be sold out of Radeon VII, Would anyone know of place be in stock?

I'd be forever great full.
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Just keep an eye out and you should land a new one at msrp over the week im sure.....we got a little while before they stop production like they did with FE edition:)
 
Nightfire said:
From a business point of view, AMD is doing just fine in the gpu department. They will most likely be used for the next consoles. Despite uber cool RTX 2080ti cards, nobody seems to want to do business with nvidia anymore including Sony, Apple, and even Intel.
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All razor thin margin business deals. I doubt nVidia is losing any sleep over it.
 
Gulkor said:
Thanks, and i understand, I was just excited to order new product just came out, I am going amd 5 2600x / Radeon VII Setup, Always done intel/nvidia. Its my 33rd birthday gift myself :D
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Congrats.
 
5150Joker said:
Congrats.
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Thanks! I will keep my eyes out for new card come in stock, or i might even pick up Vega 64, I just need it for 4k 55" IT dont need maxxed just looked nice and good, Tv has VVR/FreeSync Samsung Q7F
 
Nightfire said:
First off, how do you know the profit margins of those APUs? Secondly, WHY do you know this?
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Just look at their financial reports. Semi-custom revenue is flat and the only thing driving real revenue for AMD is Ryzen. If they had nVidia level margins, they wouldn't have flat revenue. Why do I know? Because I plan to buy stocks for both companies but I'm waiting on nVidia to drop some more hopefully.
 
Revenues are determined by so many other factors than simply margins of a product sold.
 
polonyc2 said:
best thing I can say about this new card- the 3 free games- Resident Evil 2, Division 2 and Devil May Cry 5...the 16GB VRAM is nice but also overkill
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Those 3 games being offered is probably why I won’t get the card. I got those 3 free with Vega 64 already. If I hadn’t it’d be a harder temptation to resist (they’re all games I planned on getting sooo)

FlawleZ said:
Uh, 8800GTX has a serious bone to pick with you on that one. 1080Ti is a great card. The 8800GTX is a legendary card.
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I’d argue the 8800 GT with it’s more affordable price. Or in other eras, 7970 of which hard showed it still putting up decent numbers in their generational comparisons. Everything obsoletes eventually though.
 
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