New Build - Super Slow, Lagging, 9900k

primetime said:
an easy way is to download Ultimate Windows Tweaker 4.5 and its very easy to check.....it either checks out good or doesnt and if it doesnt good luck fixing it without a clean install or backup. IT probably will check out fine but at least you can rule a few things out software wise
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Thanks. I will check this out and see what it does.
 
vidoprof said:
So what benchmark should I run to try and get this to happen?
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AIDA64 or Sandra, probably? Both have an array of suitable benches, but more importantly, both will list results of similar systems so you can see if you're in the right ballpark or not.
 
I had similar issues on a Asus Z97 board, turned out to be a mobo driver. Switched it to Intel and everything ran perfectly.

Another similar issue on customer's computer, new OS installation on a new SSD, turned out it was Avira antivirus (his personal preference) that slowed everything to a crawl. Re-installed twice, ran CCleaner, still the same. Installed what I use, instantly better.

If the above doesn't do it, then it might be your NVME cache drive, try reducing the amount of the drive being used as a cache and see if it works okay. I read somewhere too that NVME drives don't get a lot of airflow so they tend to overheat.
 
Do you have the intel rapid storage driver installed? I had major issues with my latest build with that driver and it took days to figure out.
 
vidoprof said:
Build a new rig:

Any thoughts? This is driving me nuts. My 4-5 year old i-4570 is way faster than this 2 month old build.

Thanks
Ryan G
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Sounds like maybe you are using a very old Windows install from your older system?

Save a backup image of your current OS/app install with Macrium Reflect or your preferred imaging app.
It's easiest to use a boot disk like "Gandalf" or similar. That even includes Macrium Reflect built-in.
You download the ISO and write it to a flash drive (8GB or larger).

Anyway, dump a current image to your storage drive and then you are free to wipe your boot drive and
re-install Windows to see if that clears up the issue. You may want to make a separate manual backup
of any critical data to your storage drive as well.

Gandalf’s Win10PE x64 Redstone 3 build 16299 version 07-10-2018

http://windowsmatters.com/

Paypal the guy a few bucks and he'll send you a link to DL it with good bandwidth.


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vidoprof said:
Maybe the PC is down? Not sure what you mean. This has been happening since November when I first did this install.
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From the 21st your next post was the 30th. Thought maybe the PC was down (out of action) and that was why you weren't replying.
 
funkydmunky said:
From the 21st your next post was the 30th. Thought maybe the PC was down (out of action) and that was why you weren't replying.
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O No.. Sorry..I was out of town. I am still trying to get this thing under control. I just haven't had a lot of time to do any real testing. I have updated ALL software. BIOS, reset to defaults, Update all graphics drivers, all intel software, Windows. I just can't take down the whole PC yet. I don't want to take it apart because I still need to work on it so i am dealing with the lag (which totally sucks).
 
Nanogrip said:
I had similar issues on a Asus Z97 board, turned out to be a mobo driver. Switched it to Intel and everything ran perfectly.

Another similar issue on customer's computer, new OS installation on a new SSD, turned out it was Avira antivirus (his personal preference) that slowed everything to a crawl. Re-installed twice, ran CCleaner, still the same. Installed what I use, instantly better.

If the above doesn't do it, then it might be your NVME cache drive, try reducing the amount of the drive being used as a cache and see if it works okay. I read somewhere too that NVME drives don't get a lot of airflow so they tend to overheat.
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What do you mean it was a MOBO driver and you switched it to INTEL and it ran perfectly? How did you switch the MOBO driver?

I don't have any antivirus installed, just the fresh install of Windows 10.

I will check out the NVME drive, but it has one huge heatsink on there so I assumed it ran cool, especially considering the internals of the case are pretty cool with the amount of fans I have in there.. But I will check this too. Thanks.
 
deaedius said:
Do you have the intel rapid storage driver installed? I had major issues with my latest build with that driver and it took days to figure out.
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I removed the Intel Rapid storage driver a while back (on a suggestion of multiple other people and a quick search online). But thanks.
 
Spartacus said:
Sounds like maybe you are using a very old Windows install from your older system?

Save a backup image of your current OS/app install with Macrium Reflect or your preferred imaging app.
It's easiest to use a boot disk like "Gandalf" or similar. That even includes Macrium Reflect built-in.
You download the ISO and write it to a flash drive (8GB or larger).

Anyway, dump a current image to your storage drive and then you are free to wipe your boot drive and
re-install Windows to see if that clears up the issue. You may want to make a separate manual backup
of any critical data to your storage drive as well.

Gandalf’s Win10PE x64 Redstone 3 build 16299 version 07-10-2018

http://windowsmatters.com/

Paypal the guy a few bucks and he'll send you a link to DL it with good bandwidth.


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This new build is actually a BRAND new Windows 10 install. My old 4-5 year old machine was using Windows 7. Thank you for the suggestion though.
 
I don't know a thing about overclocking.. but what about setting the AUTO Settings for the BIOS to a SET voltage so the CPU is constantly getting the right voltage? Or something like that? Again I don't know a thing about overclocking, so I am at a loss here.
 
So I just opened The App Center for Aorus. I tried to do the EasyTune AUTOTuning. When I restarted after running it. I got the BSOD. So that didn't work.

Just adding any information I can find to help fix this. Thanks everyone.
 
Sorry that was a miss on the Windows install idea.

Try uninstalling all of the vendor add-on stuff, Aorus App Center and anything else like that.
I never install those and have heard of a lot of various problems with those apps (from all the different vendors).

Run Task Manager and look at the performance tab. See if anything is taxing system performance
just sitting idle in Windows at the desktop. CPU & Disk should be very low, 2%-3%.

What does CPU-Z look like?


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To me is sounds like bluetooth interference. You mentioned that you had a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. That the stuttering is when you move the mouse. Differently try a wired keyboard and mouse and see if that fixes it.
 
Spartacus said:
Sorry that was a miss on the Windows install idea.

Try uninstalling all of the vendor add-on stuff, Aorus App Center and anything else like that.
I never install those and have heard of a lot of various problems with those apps (from all the different vendors).

Run Task Manager and look at the performance tab. See if anything is taxing system performance
just sitting idle in Windows at the desktop. CPU & Disk should be very low, 2%-3%.

What does CPU-Z look like?


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Performance tab is always around 2-4% at idle. Even when I am browsing the web. Ram Utilization is roughly 10gb (with Chome and a bunch of tab open).

CPU-Z looks like this.


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Seems like you have tried a lot of things without success. I'm thinking of the possibility of you having got a faulty CPU. I know it seems unlikely but you never know. It would be good to rule it out. The Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool should do that.
 
TheFlayedMan said:
Seems like you have tried a lot of things without success. I'm thinking of the possibility of you having got a faulty CPU. I know it seems unlikely but you never know. It would be good to rule it out. The Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool should do that.
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Just ran the quick version of that tool. Everything Passed. I am going to run the 2 hour version now and see what that says. Tonight I will run the RAM test as well until I wake up. See what happens with that.


Always open to other suggestions as well. Thanks for all the help so far everyone.
 
Does it also run super slow when you boot up in safe mode? That would point to a device driver or software issue.
 
vidoprof said:
What do you mean it was a MOBO driver and you switched it to INTEL and it ran perfectly? How did you switch the MOBO driver?

I don't have any antivirus installed, just the fresh install of Windows 10.

I will check out the NVME drive, but it has one huge heatsink on there so I assumed it ran cool, especially considering the internals of the case are pretty cool with the amount of fans I have in there.. But I will check this too. Thanks.
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Hi, it was an Asmedia driver, uninstalled it and installed Intel and I solved my stuttering.
 
vidoprof said:
It jumps between this and 1.248 volts... I have it set to AUTO... So... that's why..

Should I just set it manually?
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That's what I do, I set my vCore manually, but also add adaptive on my newest mobo. Last mobo I was able to just set vCore and that was it.
I'm pretty sure that .636v at 4.7GHz is going to be a problem, that's too low.

I turn off all of the Auto turbo, speed-step, EIST, etc. that gives you the auto feature of dynamic clock changes.
I set mine up to run full tilt 24/7, no dynamic speed changes.

I would start with 1.2v vCore at that speed, and make very small increments up if you need to. If it's unstable, try 1.22v next, then 1.24v, etc.

Note that this may not solve all of your issues 100%. You may also have driver/software issues going on.

ETA: You do have more cores on that CPU so it will run warmer than my 8700K. You may need to do some
research on correct vCore settings to OC your 9900K.

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Spartacus said:
That's what I do, I set my vCore manually, but also add adaptive on my newest mobo. Last mobo I was able to just set vCore and that was it.
I'm pretty sure that .636v at 4.7GHz is going to be a problem, that's too low.

I turn off all of the Auto turbo, speed-step, EIST, etc. that gives you the auto feature of dynamic clock changes.
I set mine up to run full tilt 24/7, no dynamic speed changes.

I would start with 1.2v vCore at that speed, and make very small increments up if you need to. If it's unstable, try 1.22v next, then 1.24v, etc.

Note that this may not solve all of your issues 100%. You may also have driver/software issues going on.

ETA: You do have more cores on that CPU so it will run warmer than my 8700K. You may need to do some
research on correct vCore settings to OC your 9900K.

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Thanks for that. I appreciate it.. I have been testing for 2 days now. And I THINK I have found the issue and solution. Posting NOW.
 
SOOOOO.. After a LONG and ridiculous process... I tested Ram with Memtest.. 4 passes.. Everything great. Then I figured I would learn a little about OCing. I read everything I could for 8 hours. Finally I attempted a mild OC. 5.0ghz. 1.275 Vcore. Cause a lot of people said that those would PROBABLY get the voltage needed. Well I was able to boot into windows, but the min I ran any benchmark (Prime95, Cinbench, Intel Extreme).. Freeze. I upped it to 1.35 (same thing) 1.375 I was able to get a lot to work and no studdering with the mouse. But the minute I ran Intel Extreme Util it would lock up after about 1 min. Upping the voltage allowed me to get further into the Intel Extreme 5 min test but NOT until I got to 1.395 volts did it run stable. I also HAD TO set the AVX Offset to 2 in order for anything to run stable. I also set the (watts) on each of the BIOS settings to 4090 instead of 95). Now I have stable Intel Extreme for 15mins. Cinbench is solid and Prime 95 was good for 30 mins.

So NOW I have a stable system. I mean no studdering (yet, knock on wood). And the TEMPS are decent. I THINK. What do you guys thing. Here are two different CPU-Z, HWInfo, and CoreTemp (one idle and one at full load Small TFF on Prime 95 for 10 mins). Let me know what you think. Should I be a little worried that I am at 91 degrees at full load on Prime 95.. Is that too high? I can't really come down (maybe 1.39v I haven't tried it yet, but if this is OK then I will leave it alone).

Thoughts???? Sorry about the big files.. I didn't know how to shrink them.


cpuz and core temp and CPUID 1395volt IDLE AVX2.png
cpuz and core temp and CPUID 1395volt FULL LOAD AVX2.png
 
Remember to never get you drivers from the mobo manufactor.
Always get the newest from the chip producers.


also Intel Extreme is not a good stress test its decent at best
and to make sure its gamming stable you need to run you cpu with GPU load as well
cause the gpu will affect powerdraw and heat generation
 
OK. I SPOKE too SOON. I am getting some pretty bad studdering again. i have a bunch of tabs open in Chrome, Steaming ESPN, and have email open. Only using 16gb of the 32gb of Ram. CPU utilization is only at 25% and temps are below 40.

What gives?!!??!?
 
SvenBent said:
Remember to never get you drivers from the mobo manufactor.
Always get the newest from the chip producers.


also Intel Extreme is not a good stress test its decent at best
and to make sure its gamming stable you need to run you cpu with GPU load as well
cause the gpu will affect powerdraw and heat generation
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Thanks for the MOBO driver tip.. Where would I start for that? Just download the chipset driver for Intel for 9900k? I have the Aorus Master z390 board. Any chance you can point me to what I need to download and install?

p.s. I don't game AT ALL.. Not sure WHY the Intel Extreme kept crashing, but everything else worked fine. Prime95, CinBench.. both ran for a long time with no issues, but Intel's test crashed until I got to 1.395.
 
SvenBent said:
Remember to never get you drivers from the mobo manufactor.
Always get the newest from the chip producers.


also Intel Extreme is not a good stress test its decent at best
and to make sure its gamming stable you need to run you cpu with GPU load as well
cause the gpu will affect powerdraw and heat generation
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I just checked Device Manager and I have the Intel 300 series Chipset Family LPC Controller (Z390) - A305 driver UNDER System Devices. Is that what you mean?
 
Get the Z390 chipset driver from Intel's download center, not ASUS.
 
Wade88 said:
Get the Z390 chipset driver from Intel's download center, not ASUS.
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It's actually Gigabyte, but same difference.

I tried to find the Intel Z390 driver but can't find it anywhere on their site. I also downloaded the Intel Driver and Support Assistant and it can't find anything there that needs updating. Any ideas?
 
vidoprof said:
Thanks for the MOBO driver tip.. Where would I start for that? Just download the chipset driver for Intel for 9900k? I have the Aorus Master z390 board. Any chance you can point me to what I need to download and install?

p.s. I don't game AT ALL.. Not sure WHY the Intel Extreme kept crashing, but everything else worked fine. Prime95, CinBench.. both ran for a long time with no issues, but Intel's test crashed until I got to 1.395.
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chipset driver form intels.
Soundcard driver is very oftten from realtek.
network drive would probably be intel or realtak
you will need to look into the manual fro the specification from the board
 
CPU temp into the low 90's is very hot.

The system is probably ok like that for normal loads since Prime 95 stresses the CPU much more than normal usage.
You still may want to back off the OC just a hair if you can run lower vCore and get the temps down.

If the CPU is thermal throttling, that may be why you're getting the stuttering.

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Spartacus said:
CPU temp into the low 90's is very hot.

The system is probably ok like that for normal loads since Prime 95 stresses the CPU much more than normal usage.
You still may want to back off the OC just a hair if you can run lower vCore and get the temps down.

If the CPU is thermal throttling, that may be why you're getting the stuttering.

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According to the Intel Extreme Utility there is no throttling at all. I still don't know what it is. I might lower the OC to 4.9 and see what I can get.. With an AVX Offset of 1. Maybe that might work well. I thought Intel said it's rated to 100 Degrees at load... but I guess not for long term usage. Hell Maybe I will just go down to 4.8 and just be happy with no studdering.. IF it doesn't studder that is.
 
horrorshow said:
https://www.thesycon.de/eng/latency_check.shtml

Try running this and see how it fairs.
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I am running windows 10.. It says on the site that there is a delay for Windows 8 (which I would imagine would be the same for Windows 10). They are working on a new version (but that was a while ago).

That being said I still ran it.. and it shows my delay is 1120 - 1180 But that doesn't tell me much.

Thanks for the suggestion though
 
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