Radeon 7 (Vega 2, 7nm, 16GB) - $699 available Feb 7th with 3 games

Maddness said:
That's what i mean, it really is a side grade performance wise, it would only really be worth it if he sold his 1080Ti for the price of what the Radeon 7 is.
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Or could make use of the slightly higher Vram, but that’s pretty damn unlikely. I don’t think the requirements are increasing anywhere near that quickly outside of DXR....which well yeah.
 
Dayaks said:
People who don’t want to deal with used cards, the risks associated, and the assholes/scammers possibily selling them?

People seem to on this roll comparing new cards to the resale market for some reason.
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It's a sensible comparison if looking for value.
 
This is not pre-
Dayaks said:
People who don’t want to deal with used cards, the risks associated, and the assholes/scammers possibily selling them?

People seem to on this roll comparing new cards to the resale market for some reason.
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Because these days it’s easy to find a used product. People spending $700 on a video card are probably aware of what used cards are going for as well.

That said I’m sure this won’t effect the prebuilt market.

With this card coming in at $700 I guess I can give up on a card that performs better than my current 1080ti @ 4K for less than $1k. Sad that a card with similar performance as one I bought 2yrs is the same price.
 
I'm not sure why anyone here cannot understand that AMD is dumping early dies that cost them money in order to recoup some of said money while giving AMD fans a decent 4K GPU option.

These cards should be right with a 2080, and I have a feeling (if they are anything like current Vega 10s) that they will have a nice headroom for OC'ing, especially under water.

They are shipping the card with $300+ worth of vram, and even with the reduced f64, it will be a great workstation card for peanuts.

I am strongly considering selling my platinum 64 with gpu block and picking one up just to see how far I can push it.

It would be nice if the card would be 15+% faster then a 2080ti, but this is not a massive die GPU either. It should let AmD offer a choice, which benefits all of us gamers.
 
ccityinstaller said:
I'm not sure why anyone here cannot understand that AMD is dumping early dies that cost them money in order to recoup some of said money while giving AMD fans a decent 4K GPU option.

These cards should be right with a 2080, and I have a feeling (if they are anything like current Vega 10s) that they will have a nice headroom for OC'ing, especially under water.

They are shipping the card with $300+ worth of vram, and even with the reduced f64, it will be a great workstation card for peanuts.

I am strongly considering selling my platinum 64 with gpu block and picking one up just to see how far I can push it.

It would be nice if the card would be 15+% faster then a 2080ti, but this is not a massive die GPU either. It should let AmD offer a choice, which benefits all of us gamers.
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I'm not sure who's disputing that these are M150/160 dies, or that the cost of the VRAM is hefty, or that performance should be in line with 2080. Just because the full-fat chip is expensive, doesn't mean the cut-down version will be good e.g. GTX 465... they often run hot and are power hungry with degraded performance.

It does remain to be seen how well these will overclock. We've seen many cases of dies with deactivated (cut?) units not having a lot of headroom. Also, I'm not sure "dumping" is the right term: releasing chips that don't full cut the muster with deactivated cores/features is pretty par for the course.

On the other hand, we may be looking at a 6800 vanilla/GTX 465/290, if you catch my meaning.
 
I’m excited and hopeful that Radeon VII with its 16GB HBM2 will show tangible benefits when used used in an external GPU enclosure. I’m going to be ordering a Mac Mini 2018 soon and I would love to use this card on that. As for the Mac Mini, they’re one of the very few (I only know of APPLEthst does this) where the GPUis directly connected to the CPU. So coupled with the lowest latency possible I hope the 16GB helps performance.
 
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martinmsj said:
I’m excited and hopeful that Radeon VII with its 16GB HBM2 will show tangible benefits when used used in an external GPU enclosure. I’m going to be ordering a Mac Mini 2018 soon and I would love to use this card on that. As for the Mac Mini, they’re one of the very few (I only know of APPLEthst does this) where the GPUis directly connected to the CPU. So coupled with the lowest latency possible I hope the 16GB helps performance.
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What will be the primary use for your external GPU Mac rig?
 
Auer said:
What will be the primary use for your external GPU Mac rig?
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Final Cut Pro X and Motion for personal things
Windows Bootcamp games and HLSL for personal stuff

Although I prefer VMWare for working on the Windows Platform on Mac (VMWare drivers > Apple bootcamp) I plan to partition and have a running bootcamp for EGPU Windows support.
I don't have time to game on Windows as much but I would like to replace my Windows gaming box (in signature). Windows Bootcamp would be primarily for working on things with HLSL compute shaders. Though I don't really need an external GPU for this, I work with AMD hardware now. Which reminds me, I need to sell my Maxwell Titan X.

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Another option is just purchasing the Mac mini and waiting altogether to see what desktop options Apple has later this year (hopefully in June.)

Riptide_NVN said:
Is there no pre-order options? Can't find any.
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There are none, I looked. Funny enough, as much as I would like to pre-order, I don't need this for my needs. A cheap Vega 56 would suffice for now.
 
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Guessing there is no firm time frame on availability morning of the 7th? Do people on PST need to get up early to try and snipe one off newegg?
 
AMD said they are selling off their website so amd.com.

I think it's a sidegrade from my Titan Xps in SLI but I'm thinking of getting one and putting it into a backup box or EGPU just for grins. An all AMD build just feels right. Plus 3 free games too.
 
martinmsj said:
As for the Mac Mini, they’re one of the very few (I only know of APPLEthst does this) where the GPUis directly connected to the CPU
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As far as I'm aware, this is how PCIe works: with consumer CPUs, the first sixteen PCIe lanes are directly connected to the CPU and these are what discrete GPUs use. If anything, the controllers in the active Thunderbolt cables and limited bandwidth of Thunderbolt versus internal PCIe 3.0 x16 will reduce performance on the Mac Mini versus a desktop solution.

Which I know doesn't exist in Apple's ecosystem, and that you're using Apple software, so it may still be the best option for you. Unless you'd be up for Hackintoshing it :).
 
IdiotInCharge said:
As far as I'm aware, this is how PCIe works: with consumer CPUs, the first sixteen PCIe lanes are directly connected to the CPU and these are what discrete GPUs use. If anything, the controllers in the active Thunderbolt cables and limited bandwidth of Thunderbolt versus internal PCIe 3.0 x16 will reduce performance on the Mac Mini versus a desktop solution.

Which I know doesn't exist in Apple's ecosystem, and that you're using Apple software, so it may still be the best option for you. Unless you'd be up for Hackintoshing it :).
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This is off topic but a note on this. Yes, the first sixteen PCIe lanes are directly connected to the CPU however, that doesn't mean it's directly connected to the Thunderbolt 3 Controller. For example, in Intel's NUC with VEGA, the Thunderbolt 3 PCIe lanes are routed through the PCH adding latency. Some of the ULV chips on the MacBook Pros are also routed this way, through the PCH.
 
martinmsj said:
This is off topic but a note on this. Yes, the first sixteen PCIe lanes are directly connected to the CPU however, that doesn't mean it's directly connected to the Thunderbolt 3 Controller. For example, in Intel's NUC with VEGA, the Thunderbolt 3 PCIe lanes are routed through the PCH adding latency. Some of the ULV chips on the MacBook Pros are also routed this way, through the PCH.
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That's... horrific. But something to look out for, thanks!
 
So if we pre-order a Vega VII, will we get that cool little block, etc? Or is that only for reviewers?
 
pfc_m_drake said:
CAN you even pre-order Veg's VII? I signed up at and.com for notification, but have yet to hear a peep.
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No. AMD.com will be selling directly from Thursday on, and once they're gone they're gone (although I'm guessing supply may be dribbled out in waves over the next few weeks).

In other countries e.g. UK where AMD.com won't be selling directly, resellers may start "pre-orders" tomorrow morning before AMD.com starts selling, but they're likely clocking orders against their allocations so not really "pre-orders" in the usual sense of the word.
 
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I guess I don't get it. Are we still on track for Navi to release mid year around June/July or not? Is this card just to bridge the gap until then and also get some inventory from datacenter cards cleared out ahead of the new GPUs?

Or should we read this as Navi is on track but only as part of the new PS5/consoles being announced and maybe no new GPUs beyond low-midrange until next year?

I don't follow GPU announcements that closely but I am looking to replace my 980ti soonish (maybe in July!)
 
darrpara said:
I guess I don't get it. Are we still on track for Navi to release mid year around June/July or not? Is this card just to bridge the gap until then and also get some inventory from datacenter cards cleared out ahead of the new GPUs?

Or should we read this as Navi is on track but only as part of the new PS5/consoles being announced and maybe no new GPUs beyond low-midrange until next year?

I don't follow GPU announcements that closely but I am looking to replace my 980ti soonish (maybe in July!)
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All the rumors point to Navi being released sometime mid year. Supposedly it's mid range only for this year, with higher performance options coming in 2020. It's all just rumors at this stage as AMD has been very tight lipped.

Vega 2 gives them an entry into the higher performance bracket, something a fair few people have been asking for. I think it became a reality because Nvidia priced the RTX series so high. If they didn't then the Radeon 7 may never have existed.
 
darrpara said:
I guess I don't get it. Are we still on track for Navi to release mid year around June/July or not? Is this card just to bridge the gap until then and also get some inventory from datacenter cards cleared out ahead of the new GPUs?

Or should we read this as Navi is on track but only as part of the new PS5/consoles being announced and maybe no new GPUs beyond low-midrange until next year?

I don't follow GPU announcements that closely but I am looking to replace my 980ti soonish (maybe in July!)
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Maddness covered it already. Navi is going to be a midrange part first, so if you're looking for high performance from AMD this year, then Radeon VII is it.
 
Maddness said:
All the rumors point to Navi being released sometime mid year. Supposedly it's mid range only for this year, with higher performance options coming in 2020. It's all just rumors at this stage as AMD has been very tight lipped.

Vega 2 gives them an entry into the higher performance bracket, something a fair few people have been asking for. I think it became a reality because Nvidia priced the RTX series so high. If they didn't then the Radeon 7 may never have existed.
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UnknownSouljer said:
Maddness covered it already. Navi is going to be a midrange part first, so if you're looking for high performance from AMD this year, then Radeon VII is it.
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Great, I look forward to the reviews if it manages to be able to fit inside my NCase M1! Thanks for the replies
 
darrpara said:
Great, I look forward to the reviews if it manages to be able to fit inside my NCase M1! Thanks for the replies
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According to the Sapphire website...

268(L) x 120(W) x 42(H) Dimension /mm
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I am assuming that 120mm Width is the measurement not including the PCI bracket, so it looks like it should fit just fine...!

The real question is will a Morpheus II fit onto the Radeon VII...?
 
darrpara said:
I guess I don't get it. Are we still on track for Navi to release mid year around June/July or not? Is this card just to bridge the gap until then and also get some inventory from datacenter cards cleared out ahead of the new GPUs?

Or should we read this as Navi is on track but only as part of the new PS5/consoles being announced and maybe no new GPUs beyond low-midrange until next year?

I don't follow GPU announcements that closely but I am looking to replace my 980ti soonish (maybe in July!)
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Just looking at how things are unfolding for them, my guess would be late Q3/early Q4 (September - October). I don't see them being able to get it out any earlier than that since their focus will be Zen 2 during the early summer.
 
Maddness said:
All the rumors point to Navi being released sometime mid year. Supposedly it's mid range only for this year, with higher performance options coming in 2020. It's all just rumors at this stage as AMD has been very tight lipped.

Vega 2 gives them an entry into the higher performance bracket, something a fair few people have been asking for. I think it became a reality because Nvidia priced the RTX series so high. If they didn't then the Radeon 7 may never have existed.
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Yeah the odd thing is that Radeon 7 supposedly is around 25% faster then Vega 64 and Navi rumours would suggest that it is between 10 and 15 percent faster then Vega 64. But the price difference (if rumours are true) is rather large.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Yeah the odd thing is that Radeon 7 supposedly is around 25% faster then Vega 64 and Navi rumours would suggest that it is between 10 and 15 percent faster then Vega 64. But the price difference (if rumours are true) is rather large.
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Keep in mind Radeon VII has 16GB of HBM2 (estimated to be up to 350 bucks in cost) whereas the forthcoming Navi GPUs will use up to 8GB of GDDR6...
 
deruberhanyok said:
Also keep in mind those Navi price/performance rumors read like a fanboy’s dream. It could be true! Or, not.
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If AMD can beat the GTR2060 at under $300 I would guess most Fanboy's would be delighted.

I don't know how plausible that is but it does not seem unreasonable atm imho.
 
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