AMD Navi RX 3080 $249. Leaks & Rumors.

Gibbo over at OCUK laid it out a few days back...

Vega VII is Feb 7th and OcUK is launch partner and we should have limited quantities. AMD will not be selling direct in UK. Price shall be £650 - £700 !

NAVI an update is expected June (Computex) and on shelf is likely to be expected September-November time, this could come as early as July or as late as December.

The prices will be higher than rumoured, as those who believe rumours are total idiots, like the silly people who though 1080Ti would be £300-£400 to be cleared, like the people who though GTX 1180 or 2080 was coming at £500.

AMD will undercut NVIDIA and match performance, but the price shall not be half for same performance level. You have to think logical about such things.

RX 590 shall remain and Vega 7nm is flagship part, NAVI won't out perform Vega 7 what you will have is:

RX 590 @ £199 no doubt to clear
RX 3060 @ 580 performance for £149, so fitting in where 570 is now, same price but more performance.
RX 3070 @ Vega 56 Performance for £249 - £299
Vega 56 @ £299 but by then there shall be none left
Vega 64 @ £399 but again there shall be none left
RX 3080 @ Vega 64 +15% so a true 1080 beater and it shall be £349-£399
Vega VII @ £599 no doubt reduced to clear any excess inventory for Vega 7nm+ or next high performance part.

All based on 1.25-1.35 pound strength

If we get above 1.50 by said time, those prices will be impacted in a positive way (downwards) and as will all NVIDIA cards too. :)

AMD are already giving better value for money compared to NVIDIA now, with the above they simply become even further better value for money, more performance, power reduction and of course lower cost.

AMD is not a charity, they won't be half the price because to put it if they can make more margin, they absolutely will, not because they are greedy, but because they need to survive and make good profits to keep developing and keeping researching better products and technology. Look at the slump AMD had for years when they were making loss after loss, RX 290, RX 390, RX 480, RX 580, just the same stuff re-spun and their competitor gaining more and more market share. Profits equal more advancement, better marketing, better drives and most important better products.

AMD have come so far in past 12 months alone compared to five years previous on CPU particular.
 
Performance always increases over time, while the cost of today's performance can be had for less tomorrow. In other words: nothing to see here. Let me know when they compete again at the high end. Until then I'll be gaming on my 2080 Ti @ 3440x1440/100Hz.
Bruv I don’t have 1300 USD though. I’m hoping for 4K gaming at 60fps constant for less than day a console one day. 500 bones would be fine. Likely won’t happen until 8k is mainstream though :(
 
Next gen Consoles are supposed to be able to hit 4k@60 (using AMD tech FWIW). If that becomes the norm at $500-600 for the entire console* - then PC card makers will have to either reconsider their pricing or maximum performance specs must increase by a significant amount to justify the x2 or x3 of consoles asking price for the top tier video cards.

*Thought given the price bloat for phones, consoles may soon be hit by a similar price bloat - who knows?
 
Consoles are artificially low in price because of the software kickbacks. In regard to capabilities of the consoles, you have the 'same' software stack running on the 'same' hardware stack. Devs can target the full capability of the two stacks because it's all the 'same'; a luxury that PC game developers don't have.
 
Consoles are artificially low in price because of the software kickbacks. In regard to capabilities of the consoles, you have the 'same' software stack running on the 'same' hardware stack. Devs can target the full capability of the two stacks because it's all the 'same'; a luxury that PC game developers don't have.

By 'targeting' consoles, we should specify that this means that specific optimizations, including cutting visuals in certain ways, are par for the course. Console graphics aren't compared to the PC, after all- they're compared to the other console(s).

[also, we're highly unlikely to see 4k60, real 4k60, on this next generation of consoles]
 
Gibbo talks a power of shite. His job is to hype stuff up so that OCUK sell as much as possible, so I take every single thing he says with a ton of salt.

He hyped the gigabyte aorus xtreme 2080ti as being amazing as well, in reality it has a shit cooler and is hot and loud. But it has led's on the fan so apparently it's amazing.
 
I was thinking about a video card upgrade / watching some YouTube tech channels and the speculation right now (+ last official AMD roadmap) is that Vega 7 @ $700 is going to be the last Vega and simply used to fill AMD's high end, then Navi low and medium the rest of 2019 and then maybe Navi high end 2020+.

If that's what ends up happening, I really can't say I really blame them. They had to divert resources to Ryzen development from the rest of AMD and I think that was the right decision, given how well Ryzen turned out. Now that the Ryzen roadmap is finally falling into place, I'd imagine AMD can finally unleash Radeon ... though it's going to take another year or two to even hear about the really good stuff.

I think the pivotal thing is whether during this AMD "cooking" time, if Nvidia is going to be able to grow ray tracing into a thing and use that as a proprietary wall to keep all competitors out. Could go either way given that Nvidia's other wacky ideas have worked (physx is a thing still right?) and flopped (hair works?).

Plus, I'm curious to see what the former RADEON headman - Raja Koduri - is going to be able to do for Intel now that he has access to Intel $$$$.
By the looks of it, and if you think about it, Radeon VII is a test-run of the brand new 7nm process, nothing else. I guess its fairly high price is mostly justified by the high cost of HBM2. 2 TB/s of memory band width sure is nice, but it's a HUGE overkill for playing games. Personally, I am skipping it, and waiting on what AMD will release next, if rumors are to be believe, those cards should be pretty awesome performance and price-wise.
 
I was thinking of picking one up for an all AMD build but I think I'm going to hold off for reviews before making a final decision. I'm hoping Kyle gets a review to look at. Otherwise it looks like it's gonna be next year for me / high end Navi.
 
By the looks of it, and if you think about it, Radeon VII is a test-run of the brand new 7nm process, nothing else. I guess its fairly high price is mostly justified by the high cost of HBM2. 2 TB/s of memory band width sure is nice, but it's a HUGE overkill for playing games. Personally, I am skipping it, and waiting on what AMD will release next, if rumors are to be believe, those cards should be pretty awesome performance and price-wise.

The Radeon VII is not a "let's test the 7nm process & make the AMD fanboy gamers pay for it", it is a "hold them over until Navi is ready to ship"...

The 7nm process has already been tested & is working with the MI50 & MI60 datacenter GPUs...

And the HBM is estimated at 350 bucks, so there is half the price of the card itself...

16GB of HBM2 with a scary fast bandwidth may seem overkill, but it can also be seen as a bit of future-proofing...

But it also has a slight sheen of the "Osborne Effect", since we know Navi is on the way...?
 
The Radeon VII is not a "let's test the 7nm process & make the AMD fanboy gamers pay for it", it is a "hold them over until Navi is ready to ship"...

The 7nm process has already been tested & is working with the MI50 & MI60 datacenter GPUs...

And the HBM is estimated at 350 bucks, so there is half the price of the card itself...

16GB of HBM2 with a scary fast bandwidth may seem overkill, but it can also be seen as a bit of future-proofing...

But it also has a slight sheen of the "Osborne Effect", since we know Navi is on the way...?

Ah yes, you're right, I completely forgot about the MI cards (probably because I still, in my mind, don't associate this "MI..." name with AMD). I don't, however, think that a $700 card is a holdover. I think the RX 590 is more like a holdover.
Also, as far as I remember, Dr. Lisa Su kinda emphasized that the Radeon VII is mostly meant for content creators etc, and not necessarily for gaming. But of course, I'm sure it can play games just fine.
 
Ah yes, you're right, I completely forgot about the MI cards (probably because I still, in my mind, don't associate this "MI..." name with AMD). I don't, however, think that a $700 card is a holdover. I think the RX 590 is more like a holdover.
Also, as far as I remember, Dr. Lisa Su kinda emphasized that the Radeon VII is mostly meant for content creators etc, and not necessarily for gaming. But of course, I'm sure it can play games just fine.

High-end holdover for the Radeon VII, the RX590 is the mid-range holdover...

If I had the 700 bucks on hand, I would be nabbing one of those Radeon VIIs when they drop; more than enough for the gaming I do & a huge bonus for 3D, CAD/CAM, & Video work...
 
High-end holdover for the Radeon VII, the RX590 is the mid-range holdover...

If I had the 700 bucks on hand, I would be nabbing one of those Radeon VIIs when they drop; more than enough for the gaming I do & a huge bonus for 3D, CAD/CAM, & Video work...

LMAO @ anyone that actually believe this

What? the rabid faboyism?

But if I were saying the same about the latest & greatest Nvidia product it would be just fine...?

Just because I would prefer to have an AMD GPU (current is EVGA GTX 1070 SC2 with a Morpheus II heatsink & two 120mm Corsair fans, even managed to retain the stock backplate & RAM/VRM cooling plate) to accompany a Ryzen build does not make me a "fanboy"...

One can have more than one system, as many of the sigs here show...
 
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But if I were saying the same about the latest & greatest Nvidia product it would be just fine...?

Maxwell and Pascal pretty much matched nVidia's claims. The RTX generation basically, in non-RTX workloads, matches the Maxwell -> Pascal lockstep (i.e. new 0x0 card matches the next higher tier from previous generation card; e.g. 2060 approximately equals 1070 approximately equals 980 Ti). The fact that DLSS and RTX are basically horseshit at this point in time doesn't negate that there is upward progress.

Just because I would prefer to have an AMD GPU (current is EVGA GTX 1070 SC2 with a Morpheus II heatsink & two 120mm Corsair fans, even managed to retain the stock backplate & RAM/VRM cooling plate) to accompany a Ryzen build does not make me a "fanboy"...

One can have more than one system, as many of the sigs here show...

The last two generations of AMD cards, on the other hand, have been hyped by AMD well beyond actual performance. Some people remember that.

With that being said, I don't buy the highest performing cards for my gaming systems. However, if I were to build a new system within the next year I'd likely put a ThreadRipper together with this card for a very nice general purpose system. It won't be the best at everything but it would be a hell of a lot better than my present system, regardless of the hype attached to thie card (which I must say has been rather refreshingly absent from AMD for this card).
 
The last two generations of AMD cards, on the other hand, have been hyped by AMD well beyond actual performance. Some people remember that.

A lot of hype was created by clickbait tech sites and people on forums believing every single rumour that was posted. It's rare that anything can live upto the hype.
 
A lot of hype was created by clickbait tech sites and people on forums believing every single rumour that was posted. It's rare that anything can live upto the hype.

You are certainly right there. IMO people who over hype a product end up doing more harm than good. That is why I'm very happy with the way AMD is currently doing the launch of this card.
 
A lot of hype was created by clickbait tech sites and people on forums believing every single rumour that was posted. It's rare that anything can live upto the hype.

It's true that a lot of the hype was created by click-bait 'tech' sites and by forum posters. However, some of the hype was alluded to or said outright by AMD/RTG (poor Volta; overclocker's dream; etc.). Thankfully, certain elements of RTG's marketing and engineering department are no longer there and Lisa Su seems like she's not a fan of bullshit so it's possible that Radeon VII may live up to its potential, i.e. in the realm of 1080 Ti performance (more or less, depending on game title) whislt having the compute performance to do well with workstation type tasks. If it can do that, it wins in my book even if it doesn't take the 'fastest card in the world' crown. It's not meant to and it's not being marketed as one.
 
It's true that a lot of the hype was created by click-bait 'tech' sites and by forum posters. However, some of the hype was alluded to or said outright by AMD/RTG (poor Volta; overclocker's dream; etc.). Thankfully, certain elements of RTG's marketing and engineering department are no longer there and Lisa Su seems like she's not a fan of bullshit so it's possible that Radeon VII may live up to its potential, i.e. in the realm of 1080 Ti performance (more or less, depending on game title) whislt having the compute performance to do well with workstation type tasks. If it can do that, it wins in my book even if it doesn't take the 'fastest card in the world' crown. It's not meant to and it's not being marketed as one.

The poor volta thing never made sense, though volta never made it to be a gaming card as people expected so maybe amd know something we don't in that regard. The overclockers dream thing for fury x was stupid to be sure, how someone who is CTO could come out with that is baffling.
 
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The poor volta thing never made sense, though volta never made it to be a gaming card as people expected so maybe amd know something we don't in that regard.

Yet the only released Volta card that would potentially be considered a gaming card (at least as plausibly as the Radeon VII can be considered one), i.e. the Titan V, is still untouchable from RTG's perspective. Poor Volta, indeed. :ROFLMAO:

Hopefully Kyle's (well, Brent's) review will show this card to be within the expectations of what AMD is promising. (y)
 
Maxwell and Pascal pretty much matched nVidia's claims. The RTX generation basically, in non-RTX workloads, matches the Maxwell -> Pascal lockstep (i.e. new 0x0 card matches the next higher tier from previous generation card; e.g. 2060 approximately equals 1070 approximately equals 980 Ti). The fact that DLSS and RTX are basically horseshit at this point in time doesn't negate that there is upward progress.
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going to have to disagree with you here

the 1060 was equivalent to a 980
1070 equiv to a 980ti

2060 is equiv to a 1070
the 2070 is equiv to the 1080 and 2080 to the 1080ti, so rtx gave less of a jump than maxwell->pascal at way higher launch prices.

guess this is what happens sans competition though.
 
going to have to disagree with you here

the 1060 was equivalent to a 980
1070 equiv to a 980ti

2060 is equiv to a 1070
the 2070 is equiv to the 1080 and 2080 to the 1080ti, so rtx gave less of a jump than maxwell->pascal at way higher launch prices.

guess this is what happens sans competition though.

It’s more that they dedicated a good portion of the chip to RTX features. If they went straight CUDA you would have seen similar gains.

So you’re still paying a similar, or even cheaper, price per transistor in some cases. The problem is the RTX features are currently worthless.

I wouldn’t be surprised if their gross margin is lower for this gen than last. It’s more they took a chance pushing ray tracing and have been failing at it than greed imo.
 
going to have to disagree with you here

the 1060 was equivalent to a 980
1070 equiv to a 980ti

2060 is equiv to a 1070
the 2070 is equiv to the 1080 and 2080 to the 1080ti, so rtx gave less of a jump than maxwell->pascal at way higher launch prices.

guess this is what happens sans competition though.

And I guess I am going to have to disagree with you about that 2060 being equivalent to a 1070.
Because according to this review, the 2060 is faster than a 1070ti, both stock and OC'ed.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2019/01/30/msi_geforce_rtx_2060_gaming_z_video_card_review/1
 
What? the rabid faboyism?

Yes, these prices are just out-of-this-world unbelievable

What I am expecting:

Radeon RX 660 (hypothetical name)

8GB GDDR6

Geforce RTX 2060 in performance

$300

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Radeon RX 670 (hypothetical name)

10GB GDDR6

Geforce RTX 2070 in performance

$450
 
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Yes, these prices are just out-of-this-world unbelievable

What I am expecting:

Radeon RX 660 (hypothetical name)

8GB GDDR6

Geforce RTX 2060 in performance

$300

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Radeon RX 670 (hypothetical name)

10GB GDDR6

Geforce RTX 2070 in performance

$450

How would that work exactly seen a bunch of people suggest that suddenly without _any_ valid reason AMD can sell cards at the same price as Nvidia and just outsell Nvidia when competing directly on price and performance?

Most of the people stating those kinds of prices keep forgetting that you need to get back to people having your (AMD) hardware in their computer and if there is no incentive for it why should they change ? All of you must never have heard the expression: Never change a winning team.

And you can do both if yields and price are good for the performance you can drive AMD sales and kill Nvidia sales.

Without a stick it simply does not work .....
 
$700 for one card is too rich for my tastes. If AMD can launch Navi as a powerful 1440 card or a decent 4k card in the 300-350 range, I'd buy two.
 
How would that work exactly seen a bunch of people suggest that suddenly without _any_ valid reason AMD can sell cards at the same price as Nvidia and just outsell Nvidia when competing directly on price and performance?

Most of the people stating those kinds of prices keep forgetting that you need to get back to people having your (AMD) hardware in their computer and if there is no incentive for it why should they change ? All of you must never have heard the expression: Never change a winning team.

And you can do both if yields and price are good for the performance you can drive AMD sales and kill Nvidia sales.

Without a stick it simply does not work .....

That's already $50 cheaper than NVIDIA's pricing.

This card is already on sale Its called Red Dragon Vega 56. $329 , new.

Yes, the problem is the Vega is too expensive to make.

Navi allows AMD to keep selling at around the same prices while reducing cost.
 
I wonder if the delay in production is going to affect their product tier scheduling? The ones that were supposed to be out mid-year were supposed to be mi and low tier to complete the lineup (VII being the top tier AMD card). Now that Navi is being pushed back entirely maybe they will put out a higher spec Navi right away instead of saving it for next year and just releasing the middle and low.

At this point I just want AMD or Intel to put something out that competes so that Nvidia has more pressure on their pricing.
 
Let us hope that one is not true.
If there really was a re-taping for Navi I would expect a 3+ month slip based on my experience with silicon fab and pcb fabs. If they were possibly going to paper launch/release to be ready for June/July then October seems likely.. I'd actually expect Q1 2020 before parts are available in the marketplace..
 
If there really was a re-taping for Navi I would expect a 3+ month slip based on my experience with silicon fab and pcb fabs. If they were possibly going to paper launch/release to be ready for June/July then October seems likely.. I'd actually expect Q1 2020 before parts are available in the marketplace..

Maybe but you are assuming that Navi was always a Q2/Q3 product. If anything shows with the reviews of Radeon 7 that it was not planned to come out some of the youtube crowd even labelled their vids as not ready for launch (any wild guesses what would have been in that spot for launch this month?).

Even some of the basic things that were done wrong on Vega (cooling) were still in place for Radeon 7. If this release was planned then someone that was responsible for this launch was hibernating since Vega 64 :) .

So I would have pegged Navi for release rather then Radeon 7, thus your 3 extra months would still amount to a release mid year.
And that still makes sense because when you see all of the characteristics of 7nm on Radeon 7 you can see that it does not fix everything wrong with Vega.
However with Navi it does workout a lot better also the prospect of making no money on Radeon 7 is another thing which makes no sense

But if you check Navi rumoured specifications (from AdoredTV) there is only a small window that Navi would have no 7nm competition from Nvidia and as soon as it does Nvidia would _easily_ outperform it. Anything Navi near the end of 2019 is an absolute failure.
 
A lot of hype was created by clickbait tech sites and people on forums believing every single rumour that was posted. It's rare that anything can live upto the hype.

Don't forget that the original Fury AND Vega were delayed almost a year in the release cadence due to internal issues at AMD. Remeber that Navi is going to be the first chip that AMD has invested any real money into since they went on a CPU warpath 5+ years ago in trying to reestablish the company as viable again. Only now that they have acheived those timelines are they able to allot the engineers to work out Navi. It was only 2 years ago that Ryzen came out, so 2 years since they started to free up some engineers and work on Navi seriously. They really didn't need a new architecture until the PS5/nextbox gen, so everything is still moving on according to their schedule. The crypto boom definitely gave them money to reinvest into Radeon, so we're probably very fortunate that crypto came around when it did, otherwise Navi might still be 3 years away.
 
This card is already on sale Its called Red Dragon Vega 56. $329 , new.
ROFL.

I’d rather have the 2060 all day every day: it’s quieter. Faster. And likely over locks a ton better. Then again if every game you play like me is Vulkan supported (Doom 2016) the Vega is fine but I’d rather not wake the dead or heat up the polar icecaps all from my gaming box.
 
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