First-Ever 2020 Toyota Supra Sells for a Whopping $2.1 Million

What I find funny.. is how this only makes 365ish horsepower... 2019 Subaru WRX STi makes 310, with 2 less cylinders.. using an Engine that is pretty much 20yrs old....

Let down.. but at least the Supra is back right?

Smartest thing would be to use the Mark IV Engine, and carry advancements into 2020.. but using a BMW Maintenance High engine was most likely cost efficient. Tho they trade stability and cheap maintenance with BMW and pretty much make it a glorified Audi. Meh
 
Squall_Rinoa89 said:
What I find funny.. is how this only makes 365ish horsepower... Subaru WRX makes more with 2 less cylinders.. using an Engine that is pretty much 20yrs old....

Let down.. but at least the Supra is back right?
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yeah i'm hoping they come out and say that the rated HP is actually the EU regulated numbers because the B58b30 in the Z4 gets 335 hp in EU while the US model gets 382 hp. otherwise i feel Toyota got ripped off hardcore by BMW's restrictions to use that motor. but i guess when it's your only option for a light weight inline 6 motor because you no longer produce them yourself you deal with what you get.. either way i fully expect people to throw the 2JZ motor in it just like they have been with the Z4.
 
Squall_Rinoa89 said:
What I find funny.. is how this only makes 365ish horsepower... 2019 Subaru WRX STi makes 310, with 2 less cylinders.. using an Engine that is pretty much 20yrs old....
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The 355 hp variant of the B58 is making at least 100+ more wheel horsepower than the EJ25 and it has a much broader power band. What's funny is Subaru is still managing to sell that engine and people actually choose to pay more for it than the FA20.

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Squall_Rinoa89 said:
Let down.. but at least the Supra is back right?

Smartest thing would be to use the Mark IV Engine, and carry advancements into 2020.. but using a BMW Maintenance High engine was most likely cost efficient. Tho they trade stability and cheap maintenance with BMW and pretty much make it a glorified Audi. Meh
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No, it wouldn't be. Because by the time they added things like VANOS, direct injection and valvetronic it would be a completely new engine that would have had to have been engineered.
 
$60k for a slow ass toyota that is marketed in a market where it's getting outperformed by cheaper alternatives...I was never a fan of Mustangs but you can get more value for your money going that direction and over the last 5 years their style changes have been pretty impressive. Why would anyone pay that much money for under 300 hp to the wheels on a weak ass v6 platform lol.
 
Brokennails said:
Why not bring back the 2JZGTE??? Amazing engine, bullit proof and can take horsepower like no tomorrow. It has to cost them more using another manufacturers engine.... Hell a 400hp 3SGTE would have made more sense.
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GlowingGhoul said:
The Supra was not popular because of it's off the shelf design. It was unusual, a fluke really, because it's engine and driveline we capable of withstanding upgrades allowing it to quadruple the power offered by the factory.

That is no longer the case, it's just a modern, mediocre power car with design similarities to the original, but without the incredible power potential.
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^ This. Cult Classic, cheap and easy upgradability, price to performance.

In the same vein as a 2003-4 Cobra which you can swap a pulley and double the boost on the 4.6L to 16.5#. instant 450 rwhp. Port the Cobra blower and add another 75 rwhp. You're now up to 525 rwhp for peanuts and the Cobra beat the 2003 vette STOCK..
 
Megalith said:
Toyota officially unveiled the return of its performance icon this week, the Supra, which was originally discontinued in 1998. While some old-school connoisseurs of the Japanese sports car legend have criticized it for having a "weak" engine and lacking manual transmission, among other things, there was at least one fan who really, really loved the modern interpretation: the first Supra (VIN 20201) managed to sell for a colossal $2.1 million at the Barrett-Jackson Auction in Scottsdale, Arizona last night.

That's almost double what the first 2020 Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 pulled at the same venue, 42 times the 2020 Supra's starting MSRP of $49,990, and over 17 times more than what that pristine 1994 version sold for on Bring a Trailer a couple weeks ago. The car is finished in matte gray with matte black wheels and, to make it really stand out at Cars and Coffee, gloss red wing mirrors. To continue the racer-boy theme, the interior is red with carbon fiber inserts.
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While this is cool and all... and I dig the sleek emissions resembling design of the original supra. Can someone tie this to tech for me? Does it have some new whiz bang tech in it that this chummer needs to have for his next run?
 
vegeta535 said:
More like the Camaro is around 365 also. American companies play the HP game. It is 455 at the crank not to the wheels like how most none American car companies determine HP.
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Lets do a bit of math. Normally the translation to wheels is around a 15% loss of power. You're still looking at 385 to the wheel. And Chevy has historically been closer to the wheel power rating than the crank power rating. Though it's been a decade since I bought a performance Chevrolet. (Cobalt SS/SC) It was under rated as well and was making closer to 215 at the wheel when rated at 200.

Just a thought. I'm no Camaro enthusiast and I didn't google anything for this post.
 
Mega6 said:
you're like a space invader's virus poster. huh?
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Right. I was thinking more along the lines of what sort of idiot might spend $2.1 million on a first edition model of something just to be able to say that they did. Though only one was up for auction, if two had been--let's say the first and second off the production line--it wouldn't have surprised me if the winning bidder didn't try to buy them both just so he could drive them in tandem.
 
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I got good milage with my 88 all Trac turbo... You can't tell me they couldn't come up with a modern 2jz or 3sgte equivalent and not use a BMW motor? FFS they could have used a Toyota V8 and got that power....
 
iamjanco said:
Right. .
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It's just like your last two posts were the exact same stupid "space invaders" thing in two separate threads. It's adds no value or input and is annoying. So desperate for that elusive"Like".
 
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Mega6 said:
It's just like your last two posts were the exact same stupid "space invaders" thing in two separate threads. It's adds no value or input and is annoying. So desperate for that elusive"Like".
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I'll take that into consideration. I do have a suggestion though: It's easy enough to ignore something/someone without resorting to insult. Unfortunately, not doing so today is a trend that's become way too popular by those adopting its use. Look up stereotype and stereotypical if you'd like to know more.
 
iamjanco said:
I'll take that into consideration..
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I don't want to ignore you, sure you can provide valuable input someday, somewhere. I'm just not seeing here or in the other thread. So thanks for the consideration and let's bury it so this thread can continue on. I didn't go out of my way to "insult" you personally so stop acting like it.

"Lighten up Francis"
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
$60k for a slow ass toyota that is marketed in a market where it's getting outperformed by cheaper alternatives...I was never a fan of Mustangs but you can get more value for your money going that direction and over the last 5 years their style changes have been pretty impressive. Why would anyone pay that much money for under 300 hp to the wheels on a weak ass v6 platform lol.
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Performance numbers aren't bad for the price point. Without features its starting at 48k...
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
$60k for a slow ass toyota that is marketed in a market where it's getting outperformed by cheaper alternatives...I was never a fan of Mustangs but you can get more value for your money going that direction and over the last 5 years their style changes have been pretty impressive. Why would anyone pay that much money for under 300 hp to the wheels on a weak ass v6 platform lol.
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Are you talking about the same car as everyone else in this thread?
 
GlowingGhoul said:
The Supra was not popular because of it's off the shelf design. It was unusual, a fluke really, because it's engine and driveline we capable of withstanding upgrades allowing it to quadruple the power offered by the factory.

That is no longer the case, it's just a modern, mediocre power car with design similarities to the original, but without the incredible power potential.
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Exaggeration is cool and all but 2jz getrag Supras cannot reliably make 1280 crank horsepower on the stock drivetrain. Dyno pulls and roll racing are great but the only 2jz powered cars to finish Drag Week (drive site to site with no support crew) have GM TH400 transmissions and Ford 9" IRS rear ends. Motors are not remotely stock.
 
No manual option is a bit of a shame. They must be making it purely for the American market or for peak hour traffic drivers.
 
zehoo said:
No manual option is a bit of a shame. They must be making it purely for the American market or for peak hour traffic drivers.
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From the article - " "the take-rates of manual transmissions in premium sports car segments have been falling drastically over the last 10 years."

I agree and love my manual and wouldn't trade it for a faster shifting seven speed auto. Unfortunately, the market is evolving differently.
 
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vegeta535 said:
More like the Camaro is around 365 also. American companies play the HP game. It is 455 at the crank not to the wheels like how most none American car companies determine HP.
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Not correct

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/fir...-all-of-its-claimed-455-hp455-lb-ft-and-more/

The SS 1LE is manual transmission only. Not a true comparison to the 8 speed auto car.

The Supra is 3300 lbs. The Camaro is 3700 lbs.

We will have to wait for trap speed to make any real conclusion. The LT-1 is not producing the same power as the bmw straight 6 if a car that weighs 400 lbs more, and has the stick shift disadvantage, can turn the same 0-60.
 
QuiteSufficient said:
Not correct

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/fir...-all-of-its-claimed-455-hp455-lb-ft-and-more/

The SS 1LE is manual transmission only. Not a true comparison to the 8 speed auto car.

The Supra is 3300 lbs. The Camaro is 3700 lbs.

We will have to wait for trap speed to make any real conclusion. The LT-1 is not producing the same power as the bmw straight 6 if a car that weighs 400 lbs more, and has the stick shift disadvantage, can turn the same 0-60.
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I seen BMW M4 beat LT-1 while having 160ish HP and TQ in the 1/4 mile. Chevy HP ratings are total bull shit.
 
Only 335 HP? Small single turbo? BMW engine and transmission (WTF?!) No MTX option? Lackluster styling (especially the interior)? 50+k MSRP? I'll pass! Damn shame too, owned a MKIII Turbo Supra once upon a time and loved that car. 25 years later and the new Supra is a Supra "In name only". Way to take a legendary Japanese muscle car and gut everything that made a Supra great to make it compete against the likes of the Nissan 350Z and Hyundai Genesis Coupe. All Toyota needed to do was use the already tested and true 2JZ engine and Getrag V160 MTX with an updated body / chasis and people in droves would have have lined up at Toyota dealers saying "Take My Money"! Why pay BMW when you already have "superior" engines & transmissions in your stable?! This is fail on so many levels. I'd take a Hyundai Genesis Coupe over the new "Supra" all day long.

Oh and before anyone claims the 2JZ engine is "too old" and would not meet 2019 EPA standards consider this. Prime examples of using an "old" engine with occasional refreshes of modernization would be the Nissan VQ and the Chevy 3800 engines. Both of these engines are more than 25 years old and still be used in brand new 2019 cars. The 2JZ would be an easy rework and with modest efforts could meet current emissions standards and without a doubt cheaper vs what Toyota is paying BWM.

The sad fact is, this Supra was never meant to be a true successor to the MKIV. As others have pointed out the new Supra is FAR closer to being a successor to the Celica than the MKIV. Truly saddened, the old MKIII & IV were true muscle cars that really stood out from the legions of Mustangs, Camaro's, and Corvette's. IMO, this new "Supra" does not even compete let alone stand out against today's muscle car offerings.
 
Iceshot said:
Oh and before anyone claims the 2JZ engine is "too old" and would not meet 2019 EPA standards consider this. Prime examples of using an "old" engine with occasional refreshes of modernization would be the Nissan VQ and the Chevy 3800 engines. Both of these engines are more than 25 years old and still be used in brand new 2019 cars. The 2JZ would be an easy rework and with modest efforts could meet current emissions standards and without a doubt cheaper vs what Toyota is paying BWM.
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The VQ is too old as well and is why the 370Z is languishing. The VR is the future for Nissan and if they don't get it into a Z, they might as well cancel it again. Toyota couldn't justify dedicating the resources to engineer a low volume new Supra from the ground up so they partnered with another manufacturer that could help provide the necessary resources to do so. And oh look at that, they managed to get a turbo I6 and a new chassis with a 50/50 weight balance out of it.
 
Because I know you guys would hate me for doing it, hehehe ;P

ceraf said:
Dammit lol why did you have to point it out... :)

At least they brought back the Supra in some way. I was expecting this to be sold as some Lexus F vehicle.
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vegeta535 said:
More like the Camaro is around 365 also. American companies play the HP game. It is 455 at the crank not to the wheels like how most none American car companies determine HP.
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I don't know of any company in the world that advertises wheel horsepower. It's all from the crank. Here in the States we use SAE Net and Certified horsepower. Both are measured at the crank with all fluids filled and power robbing accessories attached (including exhaust).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#SAE_net_power
Lizard Testes said:
160 HP M4? What in the hell are you talking about?
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At first I thought he meant 160 HP less, but the M4 puts out the same amount of power as the Camaro SS. The even weigh the same. The BMW's advantage in acceleration mostly comes down to the transmission.
 
Armenius said:
I don't know of any company in the world that advertises wheel horsepower. It's all from the crank. Here in the States we use SAE Net and Certified horsepower. Both are measured at the crank with all fluids filled and power robbing accessories attached (including exhaust).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#SAE_net_power

At first I thought he meant 160 HP less, but the M4 puts out the same amount of power as the Camaro SS. The even weigh the same. The BMW's advantage in acceleration mostly comes down to the transmission.
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They do not weigh the same. The Camaro has higher advertised power. All this is addressed in the link up there and the motortrend head to head video.

They have nearly identical power to weight ratio is based on advertised numbers. 8.1 is 97.5% of 8.3:1. They have splitting hairs identical acceleration when both equipped with the six-speed manual.

They also produce identical figure eight times and nearly identical Willow springs times.

They say in that article and video that when launched in the real world on a street surface the Camaro wins nine times out of 10.

Maybe the DCT is faster than the manual, I'm sure it is, but I cannot find a instrumented third-party test comparing those. I would be willing to bet when comparing the DCT to the Camaro with the 8-speed automatic or new 10-speed automatic that the acceleration is once again splitting hairs identical due to their power to weight ratios.
 
I watched the auction and the proceeds went to charity, along with other VIN 1 cars.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Med...turers-during-48th-annual-scottsdale-auction/

Barrett-Jackson Raises a Record $9.6 Million for Charity With Help From Celebrities, Top Auto Manufacturers, During 48th Annual Scottsdale Auction.

The auction action continued on Saturday when Barrett-Jackson teamed up with Toyota North America for the sale of the 2020 Toyota Supra VIN 20201 (Lot #3010), which raised $2.1 million to benefit the American Heart Association and The Bob Woodruff Foundation. The winning bidders of the first global production Supra were renowned collectors Jeanette and John Staluppi. The spirit of giving continued when the 2019 Ford GT Heritage Edition VIN 001 (Lot #3012) sold for $2.5 million, with 100 percent of the hammer price benefiting United Way for Southeastern Michigan, which was purchased by Hendrick Motorsports owner Rick Hendrick.
 
skates15 said:
I watched the auction and the proceeds went to charity, along with other VIN 1 cars.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Med...turers-during-48th-annual-scottsdale-auction/

Barrett-Jackson Raises a Record $9.6 Million for Charity With Help From Celebrities, Top Auto Manufacturers, During 48th Annual Scottsdale Auction.

The auction action continued on Saturday when Barrett-Jackson teamed up with Toyota North America for the sale of the 2020 Toyota Supra VIN 20201 (Lot #3010), which raised $2.1 million to benefit the American Heart Association and The Bob Woodruff Foundation. The winning bidders of the first global production Supra were renowned collectors Jeanette and John Staluppi. The spirit of giving continued when the 2019 Ford GT Heritage Edition VIN 001 (Lot #3012) sold for $2.5 million, with 100 percent of the hammer price benefiting United Way for Southeastern Michigan, which was purchased by Hendrick Motorsports owner Rick Hendrick.
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Love that this post comes after a bunch of jealous idiots berating the buyer for spending $2.1 million on this car -- an amount that is assuredly meaningless to him or her.
 
repoman0 said:
Love that this post comes after a bunch of jealous idiots berating the buyer for spending $2.1 million on this car -- an amount that is assuredly meaningless to him or her.
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Tax write off but yeah it's charity and still real money. Regardless, if you're spending over a million dollars on a car - you don't need the cash, obviously.
 
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