BloodyIron
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What I find funny.. is how this only makes 365ish horsepower... Subaru WRX makes more with 2 less cylinders.. using an Engine that is pretty much 20yrs old....
Let down.. but at least the Supra is back right?
What I find funny.. is how this only makes 365ish horsepower... 2019 Subaru WRX STi makes 310, with 2 less cylinders.. using an Engine that is pretty much 20yrs old....
Let down.. but at least the Supra is back right?
Smartest thing would be to use the Mark IV Engine, and carry advancements into 2020.. but using a BMW Maintenance High engine was most likely cost efficient. Tho they trade stability and cheap maintenance with BMW and pretty much make it a glorified Audi. Meh
Why not bring back the 2JZGTE??? Amazing engine, bullit proof and can take horsepower like no tomorrow. It has to cost them more using another manufacturers engine.... Hell a 400hp 3SGTE would have made more sense.
The Supra was not popular because of it's off the shelf design. It was unusual, a fluke really, because it's engine and driveline we capable of withstanding upgrades allowing it to quadruple the power offered by the factory.
That is no longer the case, it's just a modern, mediocre power car with design similarities to the original, but without the incredible power potential.
First thing that came to mind when I saw this article was "But can it run Space Invaders?"
Toyota officially unveiled the return of its performance icon this week, the Supra, which was originally discontinued in 1998. While some old-school connoisseurs of the Japanese sports car legend have criticized it for having a "weak" engine and lacking manual transmission, among other things, there was at least one fan who really, really loved the modern interpretation: the first Supra (VIN 20201) managed to sell for a colossal $2.1 million at the Barrett-Jackson Auction in Scottsdale, Arizona last night.
That's almost double what the first 2020 Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 pulled at the same venue, 42 times the 2020 Supra's starting MSRP of $49,990, and over 17 times more than what that pristine 1994 version sold for on Bring a Trailer a couple weeks ago. The car is finished in matte gray with matte black wheels and, to make it really stand out at Cars and Coffee, gloss red wing mirrors. To continue the racer-boy theme, the interior is red with carbon fiber inserts.
More like the Camaro is around 365 also. American companies play the HP game. It is 455 at the crank not to the wheels like how most none American car companies determine HP.
you're like a space invader's virus poster. huh?
We have fuel efficiency standards now.
Vote better
It's just like your last two posts were the exact same stupid "space invaders" thing in two separate threads. It's adds no value or input and is annoying. So desperate for that elusive"Like".Right. .
It's just like your last two posts were the exact same stupid "space invaders" thing in two separate threads. It's adds no value or input and is annoying. So desperate for that elusive"Like".
I'll take that into consideration..
Performance numbers aren't bad for the price point. Without features its starting at 48k...$60k for a slow ass toyota that is marketed in a market where it's getting outperformed by cheaper alternatives...I was never a fan of Mustangs but you can get more value for your money going that direction and over the last 5 years their style changes have been pretty impressive. Why would anyone pay that much money for under 300 hp to the wheels on a weak ass v6 platform lol.
$60k for a slow ass toyota that is marketed in a market where it's getting outperformed by cheaper alternatives...I was never a fan of Mustangs but you can get more value for your money going that direction and over the last 5 years their style changes have been pretty impressive. Why would anyone pay that much money for under 300 hp to the wheels on a weak ass v6 platform lol.
The Supra was not popular because of it's off the shelf design. It was unusual, a fluke really, because it's engine and driveline we capable of withstanding upgrades allowing it to quadruple the power offered by the factory.
That is no longer the case, it's just a modern, mediocre power car with design similarities to the original, but without the incredible power potential.
No manual option is a bit of a shame. They must be making it purely for the American market or for peak hour traffic drivers.
More like the Camaro is around 365 also. American companies play the HP game. It is 455 at the crank not to the wheels like how most none American car companies determine HP.
I seen BMW M4 beat LT-1 while having 160ish HP and TQ in the 1/4 mile. Chevy HP ratings are total bull shit.Not correct
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/fir...-all-of-its-claimed-455-hp455-lb-ft-and-more/
The SS 1LE is manual transmission only. Not a true comparison to the 8 speed auto car.
The Supra is 3300 lbs. The Camaro is 3700 lbs.
We will have to wait for trap speed to make any real conclusion. The LT-1 is not producing the same power as the bmw straight 6 if a car that weighs 400 lbs more, and has the stick shift disadvantage, can turn the same 0-60.
I seen BMW M4 beat LT-1 while having 160ish HP and TQ in the 1/4 mile. Chevy HP ratings are total bull shit.
Oh and before anyone claims the 2JZ engine is "too old" and would not meet 2019 EPA standards consider this. Prime examples of using an "old" engine with occasional refreshes of modernization would be the Nissan VQ and the Chevy 3800 engines. Both of these engines are more than 25 years old and still be used in brand new 2019 cars. The 2JZ would be an easy rework and with modest efforts could meet current emissions standards and without a doubt cheaper vs what Toyota is paying BWM.
Dammit lol why did you have to point it out...
At least they brought back the Supra in some way. I was expecting this to be sold as some Lexus F vehicle.
I seen BMW M4 beat LT-1 while having 160ish HP and TQ in the 1/4 mile. Chevy HP ratings are total bull shit.
I don't know of any company in the world that advertises wheel horsepower. It's all from the crank. Here in the States we use SAE Net and Certified horsepower. Both are measured at the crank with all fluids filled and power robbing accessories attached (including exhaust).More like the Camaro is around 365 also. American companies play the HP game. It is 455 at the crank not to the wheels like how most none American car companies determine HP.
At first I thought he meant 160 HP less, but the M4 puts out the same amount of power as the Camaro SS. The even weigh the same. The BMW's advantage in acceleration mostly comes down to the transmission.160 HP M4? What in the hell are you talking about?
I don't know of any company in the world that advertises wheel horsepower. It's all from the crank. Here in the States we use SAE Net and Certified horsepower. Both are measured at the crank with all fluids filled and power robbing accessories attached (including exhaust).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#SAE_net_power
At first I thought he meant 160 HP less, but the M4 puts out the same amount of power as the Camaro SS. The even weigh the same. The BMW's advantage in acceleration mostly comes down to the transmission.
160 less HP then the Camaro.160 HP M4? What in the hell are you talking about?
160 less HP then the Camaro.
I watched the auction and the proceeds went to charity, along with other VIN 1 cars.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Med...turers-during-48th-annual-scottsdale-auction/
Barrett-Jackson Raises a Record $9.6 Million for Charity With Help From Celebrities, Top Auto Manufacturers, During 48th Annual Scottsdale Auction.
The auction action continued on Saturday when Barrett-Jackson teamed up with Toyota North America for the sale of the 2020 Toyota Supra VIN 20201 (Lot #3010), which raised $2.1 million to benefit the American Heart Association and The Bob Woodruff Foundation. The winning bidders of the first global production Supra were renowned collectors Jeanette and John Staluppi. The spirit of giving continued when the 2019 Ford GT Heritage Edition VIN 001 (Lot #3012) sold for $2.5 million, with 100 percent of the hammer price benefiting United Way for Southeastern Michigan, which was purchased by Hendrick Motorsports owner Rick Hendrick.
Tax write off but yeah it's charity and still real money. Regardless, if you're spending over a million dollars on a car - you don't need the cash, obviously.Love that this post comes after a bunch of jealous idiots berating the buyer for spending $2.1 million on this car -- an amount that is assuredly meaningless to him or her.