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well maybe they can bring back Avery Brooks as Benjamin Sisko, I'm sure they wouldn't get bent out of shape by that.
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So they are conceding on Trek out of fear?
Just, for the love of god, don’t use Discovery Klingons. If I see Worf like that, I will cry.
Interesting.Star Trek Next Generation: 1.2 million followers on facebook
Star Trek Discovery: 224K followers
Kind of tells you something right there considering how long STNG has been OFF the air (25 years now?)
Interesting.
Its never off the air in the UK unless another Star Trek series is on the air.
We have permanent re-runs of at least one series.
Atm its STNG and TOS.
Seriously, no channel is broadcasting Star Trek in some form?
Interesting.
Its never off the air in the UK unless another Star Trek series is on the air.
We have permanent re-runs of at least one series.
Atm its STNG and TOS.
Seriously, no channel is broadcasting Star Trek in some form?
Off the air for 25 years has specific meaning and makes a different point.I mean new episodes. Viewership falls off after that. But you can regularly find ST on streaming services.
Its among the free broadcast channels over here (after the general license fee is paid, although theres nothing to stop you watching for free)I can watch it on Netflix or BBC America. I'm not sure who else might have it as I only have Netflix and SlingTv.
So they are conceding on Trek out of fear?
But there is a very strong vocal group who swear never to touch all access. And if all access gambit is to pay off, they need to tap those who like the old trek.
But it's still fanservice for a diminishing nostalgia-craving audience.
Its among the free broadcast channels over here (after the general license fee is paid, although theres nothing to stop you watching for free)
Currently they are both on Horror Channel (haha) but when they finish another channel will probably take over.
CBS Action previously showed all the full series.
Enterprise appeared on another channel, cant remember which.
We want respect, nothing less, nothing more. Respect of the material, and respect to the fans. Discovery gave us neither, and also it was bad. You saw those klingons not just how they looked, but the way they were howling at the moon. I never felt so sad and disappointed in my entire life as watching that.They're conceding to a loud fan minority that doesn't know what they want; only that they're alarmingly obsessed with the continuity and nostalgia=good, and new=bad. They've announced a series with no storyline, a single actor and an hit-and-miss showrunner, and it's cart before the horse.
Money should be less of a motivator at that age, not more. I'm pretty sure he did everything in his life he wanted to do, it's not like he needs this money to complete his bucket list. Suggesting that he's in it for the money is disrespecting the man. If anything he's the only one I believe to be genuine about what he says.I'm certain they drove a dump-truck full of money to Patrick Stewart's house to do this. And any actor approaching his 80s isn't going to say no. But it's still fanservice for a diminishing nostalgia-craving audience.
I don't know. I always preferred Janeway. Bring Katerina back
While the TNG/DS9/Voyager time period and universe is my favorite in all trek, IMHO Voyager was the weakest of the three.
I go back and forth between Picard and Sisko as my favorite captain. Don't get me wrong, Janeway wasn't bad. She really came into the spirit as a star trek captain after the first season (the first few episodes of the first season, she hadn't quite gotten the hang of it yet, and it shows) She just didn't have the writing and supporting acting to back her up. Voyager was pretty bad in that regard.
Voyagers becomes good after season 3. That's 4 good seasons in a row. 7, the doctor, their holo adventures. The never ending inventions and resourcefulness of the crew.
Discovery is also good. Orville, too
Voyager was just a bad concept. I had great hope when it started, but ultimately it felt like Gilligans Island in space. Seriously, there's no way you leave yourself stranded in a distant quadrant as they did in Ep 1 and I recall othertimes where they said, "Oh we can't do that because...." Honestly felt like some of their best episodes were on the holodeck, which took us out of the daily space grind.While the TNG/DS9/Voyager time period and universe is my favorite in all trek, IMHO Voyager was the weakest of the three.
I go back and forth between Picard and Sisko as my favorite captain. Don't get me wrong, Janeway wasn't bad. She really came into the spirit as a star trek captain after the first season (the first few episodes of the first season, she hadn't quite gotten the hang of it yet, and it shows) She just didn't have the writing and supporting acting to back her up. Voyager was pretty bad in that regard.
I think Discovery is probably the best first season of Trek (with the possible exception of TOS, but I haven't watched TOS in decades). As for things that are different, I'm willing to let it play out. Most of the complaints I read here about last season were not issues by the end of the season. Things simply werne't as they seemed.I agree that the criticisms of Discovery were overblown. It's a fairly decent show.
I'm still pretty pissed off they messed with the appearance of the Klingons though. Yes, I know there is precedent here (look at ToS episodes like Trouble with Tribbles) but still. They should have stuck with what they looked like in the TNG/DS9/Voy era.
Color inside the goddamned lines!
I think Discovery is probably the best first season of Trek (with the possible exception of TOS, but I haven't watched TOS in decades). As for things that are different, I'm willing to let it play out. Most of the complaints I read here about last season were not issues by the end of the season. Things simply werne't as they seemed.
I agree that the criticisms of Discovery were overblown. It's a fairly decent show.
I'm still pretty pissed off they messed with the appearance of the Klingons though. Yes, I know there is precedent here (look at ToS episodes like Trouble with Tribbles) but still. They should have stuck with what they looked like in the TNG/DS9/Voy era.
Color inside the goddamned lines!
Now I know this is probably a controversial opinion, but here goes...
I have tried many times but I just can't get into TOS. The acting is SO BAD, the sets, effects and makeup absolutely abysmal, and apart from a few notable gems, the writing was trash too.
I also didn't find the reckless Kirk believeable as an officer. Picard was the anti-Kirk and that immediately made Trek much better, IMHO.
The only TOS I can enjoy are the feature films. The old TV series are just so bad.
I think you have to be able to look at it through the lens of the time. The writing was very much about current events and the sets may look cheesy, but they were probably about as good as it got at the time. TNG at times looks pretty bad too, and at the time I remember being in awe of how good everything looked from episode 1 on (and if you look at the original version Ep 1 of TNG it's got some really awful sfx (and probably not great sets, but I haven't watched it in years).
That could be. I think he had substance abuse issues. But I think a huge part was getting RD Moore and to a lesser extent Ira Steven Behr. RD comes in sometime in 89 (as did Behr) and suddenly the writing stories are much better (not that 2 was awful, but it wasn't in the same league as 3-6).I remember the writing being poor for large parts of season 1 of TNG, and as good of an actor as Sir Patrick is, even he couldn't save that. As time went on it much improved. Some of the best episodes of the entire series are in Season 2 (S02E09, The Measure of a Man, being one of my favorites) and it really starts getting pretty consistently good in Season 3. 4 on are fantastic. While the late 80's special effects certainly aren't as good as modern stuff, I never find it to be bad enough to be distracting.
To me its all about the poor writing of the first season. It feels way too much like TOS to me. I hate to say it, but I feel like the series really improved after Gene Roddenberry's influence subsided after the first season, and gradually more and more after that with his stroke in 1989 afte the second season and his eventual passing in 1991.
He created something special, but under his vision it could only ever reach B movie levels, IMHO.
Voyager was just a bad concept. I had great hope when it started, but ultimately it felt like Gilligans Island in space. Seriously, there's no way you leave yourself stranded in a distant quadrant as they did in Ep 1 and I recall othertimes where they said, "Oh we can't do that because...." Honestly felt like some of their best episodes were on the holodeck, which took us out of the daily space grind.
OTOH, DS9 is hands down my favorite trek. I don't know if Sisko is my favorite captain, but I liked him a lot. Truth is Liked all of them, but the writing for Voyager wasn't close to DS9 or Seasons 3-6 of TNG.
I think you have to be able to look at it through the lens of the time. The writing was very much about current events and the sets may look cheesy, but they were probably about as good as it got at the time. TNG at times looks pretty bad too, and at the time I remember being in awe of how good everything looked from episode 1 on (and if you look at the original version Ep 1 of TNG it's got some really awful sfx (and probably not great sets, but I haven't watched it in years).
Yeah I’m rewatching TNG right now and it’s pretty bad. Still enjoyable, though.also have to remember what tv's we were watching TNG on in the late 80's/early 90's. you couldn't really see the flaws in the set/VFX like you can now. trying to watch TNG on a 65" 4k tv you can see all of those flaws plain as day.
also have to remember what tv's we were watching TNG on in the late 80's/early 90's. you couldn't really see the flaws in the set/VFX like you can now. trying to watch TNG on a 65" 4k tv you can see all of those flaws plain as day.
Is that the 1080 version or the original? If it's the original, I'd consider it unwatchable. I love DS9, but without an upgrade to the picture it's tough to watch. I wish they'd kickstart a 1080p (or 4k better still) of the show. I'd put my money where my posts are. OTOH, I had very little interest in buying TNG again. I like the show, but my heart is with DS9.also have to remember what tv's we were watching TNG on in the late 80's/early 90's. you couldn't really see the flaws in the set/VFX like you can now. trying to watch TNG on a 65" 4k tv you can see all of those flaws plain as day.
Is that the 1080 version or the original? If it's the original, I'd consider it unwatchable. I love DS9, but without an upgrade to the picture it's tough to watch. I wish they'd kickstart a 1080p (or 4k better still) of the show. I'd put my money where my posts are. OTOH, I had very little interest in buying TNG again. I like the show, but my heart is with DS9.
Yeah I’m rewatching TNG right now and it’s pretty bad. Still enjoyable, though.
As far as I know they can't do a 1080p version because it was never intended for widescreen. TNG anyway, I have no idea whether DS9 was filmed in widescreen.
The first two seasons were pretty terrible. Almost a throwback to TOS to be honest. The later seasons were great though and I still go back and watch some of the better ones from time to time.
They did a 1080 version. But since I assume it's 4:3, it's 1440x1080, but I may be applying the ratio wrong. I assume it's 4x1080/3, but my math skills are getting rusty
I love DS9, but without an upgrade to the picture it's tough to watch. I wish they'd kickstart a 1080p (or 4k better still) of the show. I'd put my money where my posts are. OTOH, I had very little interest in buying TNG again. I like the show, but my heart is with DS9.
1080 4:3 is still 1920x1080. The video is still 16:9, it just has pillarboxes for masking the 4:3 frame.
The cast and production staff from DS9 have crowd-funded/produced a documentary called "What We Left Behind: Looking Back at Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" It's basically complete short of getting excerpts from the show captured in HD. They're hoping that this could spur renewed interest and convince CBS to remaster the series once and for all. (which would require a re-assembly from camera negatives like TNG's remaster- and VFX re-created for 1080/4K instead of 480p- it would cost well north of $20M and three years of work)
I hope it happens at some point. I probably spent 500 bucks on the original DVDs, since I bought them as they were released (often from Best Buy at close to full retail).
Same here- even got those stupid bonus DVDs that were BB exclusives.
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Still unashamed that I spent the equivalent of freakin' car payment on seven seasons of Star Trek. And it is the only Star Trek series that I own in it's entirety.
The TNG remasters weren't failures- (syndication air and leasing TNG HD to every streaming provider reaped in more money than retail) But they appeared just as DVD/BDs were on the downslide and it didn't help that CBS/Paramount initially (2012) charged over $118/season. TNG's greatest season can be bought for less than $20 now, and the whole series for just over $100- and that's the price point that's acceptable to those still willing to buy physical media.
Amazon had a deal a while back during their big yearly thing for the whole series of TNG, DS9, and Voyager for stupid cheap. I think I paid $40 per series....or something like that.
I think Discovery is probably the best first season of Trek (with the possible exception of TOS, but I haven't watched TOS in decades). As for things that are different, I'm willing to let it play out. Most of the complaints I read here about last season were not issues by the end of the season. Things simply werne't as they seemed.
My bonus disks are still about the way they were in the storeSame here- even got those stupid bonus DVDs that were BB exclusives.
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Still unashamed that I spent the equivalent of freakin' car payment on seven seasons of Star Trek. And it is the only Star Trek series that I own in it's entirety.
The TNG remasters weren't failures- (syndication air and leasing TNG HD to every streaming provider reaped in more money than retail) But they appeared just as DVD/BDs were on the downslide and it didn't help that CBS/Paramount initially (2012) charged over $118/season. TNG's greatest season can be bought for less than $20 now, and the whole series for just over $100- and that's the price point that's acceptable to those still willing to buy physical media.