Like what?Because if they want to compete in a market completely dominated by another company, they need to offer something their competitor doesn't.
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Like what?Because if they want to compete in a market completely dominated by another company, they need to offer something their competitor doesn't.
And I was wracking my brain over why in the world AMD stock is negative today, what with Lisa's awesome presentation and all that shit. But now I can see - it's in part because of the negative threads like this and other negativity shit. Come on, folks, AMD is just in need of some currency, so they can develop cheaper GPUs/videocards, which will come way later this year. nVidia has been doing the same shit forever - they first released several of the more (most?) expensive models, then they release something that's meant for a lower budget customer, something that the customer is more likely to afford. I mean, the 20xx-series release is the most obvious recent example of this.
Some of you are unhappy about the price of the product, I hear you, folks, it's fucking expensive. But cheer up, chill out, and give it time. Given how much ass AMD has been kicking lately, I'm sure we'll see more affordable product in the not so distant future.
I don't disagree. But this is Day 0, this is just an announcement, there is no test data to be looked at. All I'm saying is that everyone needs to relax their buttcheeks and wait for some concrete data before raising hell on public forums.We all like an underdog story but the reality is, people usually vote their wallet whoever is on top for the time being, currently it is Nvidia. When you are competing only the 2nd best the competition has to offer, people will look at you as the 2nd best.
I don't disagree. But this is Day 0, this is just an announcement, there is no test data to be looked at. All I'm saying is that everyone needs to relax their buttcheeks and wait for some concrete data before raising hell on public forums.
This is just my personal opinion, but looking at all the things AMD has been doing for the past year or so, I see a pretty clear glimmer of hope that they will come out on top.
Without a doubt, nVidia has the clockspeeds and absolutely blistering performance, but what have they been doing lately? They've been fucking raising the prices on their cards like nobody's business!
The fucking GeForce GTX 2080 Ti is fucking $1200! What he mother fuck, you would say. But the wad truth of it is they are compensating for their stocks dropping from (this is just a rough estimate as an example) something like $300 down to $150.
Many millionaire investors lost SHITLOADS of money on nVidia's stocks. There is to be a class action lawsuit against them, because of what they told their big-time investors.
So take it as you will, but I am very optimistic for AMD's CPU and GPU products future.
Again, this is my personal opinion (and I could be wrong).
Agreed, but at the same time, AMD needs to set a tone and the tone today was just "meh", for me it has to do more with pricing then they finally catching up to 1080Ti performance.
I am not sure why you brought up stock prices since AMD also took a 40% hit to their stock prices ($32 to $20), not sure why you single Nvidia out when the Semiconductor sector took a huge hit in the last quarter.
As for the class action lawsuit, I cannot comment on that since I don't know the much about the lawsuit.
Hmm, not sure what made you think I hold any of either company's stock. I do try to follow the news, and stock-related stuff.
Apology if I misread it, it just sounds like you are equating Nvidia current 2000 series pricing to their stock price dropping in your previous post, I just thought it was weird to bring it up since the whole semiconductor sector was also tanking.
Also, not my business what stocks you hold.
I do share your optimism regarding AMD CPU, it is nice to see them firing on all cylinders and I do think it is nice that Intel getting back on its feet with its 10nm debacle, 2019 may shape up to be a great year for both company CPU. I just don't share your AMD GPU optimism as they are still chasing Nvidia, it has been a long time since AMD didn't need to chase Nvidia for top crown and I miss that since that usually means better GPU pricing for everyone.
I just see so much negativity on these forums... It's not yet deserved, if at all. Lisa has had a great presentation, the crowd was very much with her, and I feel AMD's brand new GPU doesn't deserve all this preemptive negativity just yet, cause noone knows shit about it. All we know is what Lisa said on stage, which to be honest, was not much, but again, I felt like she was really carefully watching what she said and showed. But I feel like AMD has left all the juicy details out on purpose, and they want to wait for the actual tech reviewer websites (which are all over YouTube) to receive the actual videocard samples, review the shit outta them and post the results.
And I think that is unfair and unnecessary negativity. I think we all should wait for the test results reports before losing our minds. (what was it, a 39% compute performance increase? I'd say that ain't so bad).We know price and performance are about the same as RTX 2080. 2080 was shat upon big time for its poor price/performance ratio, so it only makes sense that Vega 7 would get similar treatment.
It goes for 1000 base. Nice hyperbole.A $1300 GPU is faster than a $699 GPU? You don't say.
And I think that is unfair and unnecessary negativity. I think we all should wait for the test results reports before losing our minds. (what was it, a 39% compute performance increase? I'd say that ain't so bad).
It should, but good luck.It goes for 1000 base. Nice hyperbole.
A better price to performance ratio would be something. Outside of people simply not wanting to buy into the anti-competitive practices of Nvidia, there's no real reason to buy a card that's the same price for the same performance. Few have actually demonstrated they care about the anti-competitive practices, so business will go on as usual.Like what?
This would have given you a reason to be true to your name and come home to vega for those giant new 2019 oleds.
For those saying $599 just flip the game bundle, can probably get $75 easy for them. That would bring it almost to the $599 price point.
Curious if HMB had to run in pairs? If so, then they maybe only had 2 options 4x2 or 8x2
You can get those games cheaper on many of the key sites. Plus if you dont want the games it might be hard to sell them since its tied to having the AMD card. For instance the games that came with the 570, 580 and 590 require you to have one of those cards in your system to claim and activate the game.It does come with (about) $150 worth of games though, division 2, resident evil 2 and dmc 5. Limited time only.
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Maybe you should learn to read a little bit closer as the justification for being negative has been explained. If you wanted this level of performance you could have had it for nearly 2 years now with a 1080 ti and at the same price and lower power consumption. And the 2080 can be had for about the same price and at least offers DLSS and Ray Tracing along with virtual link for VR users. The Vega 7 is a gpu that makes no sense releasing at 700 bucks at this point.I'm not really disappointed or excited. People seem really negative today without a lot of justification. I'll wait for benchmarks and mature drivers before deciding. Heck, I kind of have to. Building a Zen 2 threadripper rig as soon as it comes out, my ancient 3570k workstation is in need of replacement. I hope to go full team red, and two Vega 7s being comparable to a 2080ti sounds worth it to me just to give ngreedia the bird. But if the Vega 7 doesn't pan out as it looks like it could, I'll just go with a single 2080ti. I wanted a titan since it'll be a workstation for work and my gaming rig, but at the price there isn't any reality I can justify buying a Titan. Heck, I'd get two 2080tis before buying a Titan, but that's still a crazy amount of money to spend, even if it isn't my money I'm spending.
Maybe you should learn to read a little bit closer as the justification for being negative has been explained. If you wanted this level of performance you could have had it for nearly 2 years now with a 1080 ti and at the same price and lower power consumption. And the 2080 can be had for about the same price and at least offers DLSS and Ray Tracing along with virtual link for VR users. The Vega 7 is a gpu that makes no sense releasing at 700 bucks at this point.
That is truly one of the most ignorant generalizations I have seen in a while. Nvidia made IPC improvements, added more cores and tmus, added RT cores, added tensor cores on what is essentially just a tweaked 16nm process. That is mighty damn impressive and innovative but of course you will pay quite a bit for that. AMD is doing a great job with the CPU side of things and Ryzen 3000 series will certainly be nice improvement. Vega on the hand is not impressive at all and even going from 14nm to 7nm still ends up with the same power usage just from having higher clocks even pushing less cores. That is a fucking joke to ask 700 bucks for that.We're really feeling the end of Moore's Law now. It's like the final few feet of a tractor pull when it comes to GPU and CPU performance.
It seems like people here should realize this by now, but there seems to be eternal surprise and disappointment when new parts arrive and don't blow the doors off the previous generation like in days gone by. These products are operating at the margins of what is physically possible with silicon architecture. Newsflash: the next generation after this one is going to be an even bigger disappointment—unless the technological singularity hits between now and then.
Ok lets see if I can address your reply since you fail at basic comprehension and paying attention to context. In your brain, all you could come up with is the fanboy argument when that does not have a goddamn thing to do with it.its fucking amazing to me that you recommend one card for 700 and not another for similar performance. 1080ti could have been had 2 years ago why the fuck buy 2080 for shitty as RTX and DLSucks that is nowhere to be seen. Mind boggling how you compare one and not other. RTX and DLSS are there but there is one fuckin game to show for and only good for 1080p with a 700 dollar card. DLSS oh wait it already shows it blurrs texture if you look hard enough but wont work with your fanboy glasses though. Hey lets knock on AMD for delivering similar performance to 2080 but lets not knock on nvidia for doing the same shit. Lets brag about features that are barely useful and nowhere to be found. Lets buy on hope that one day you will get every game with DLSS, which isn't going to happen. Please go ahead and keep fighting your fanboy wars.
Yea 2080 is a great card for price and yes vega 2 will be a great card as well with 16GB HBM2 buffer and well suited for content creations where it can fit large files in buffer. So they both meat buyers needs, why keep pushing this shit about rtx and dlss. Let me know when there are 20-30 brand new games that support rtx and dlss. First of if you want rtx you buy 2080ti and dont even give me crap about dlss, fuck upscaling give me real resolution. Nvidia could have stuch more cuda cores and not need dlss but they decided they were going to introduce another proprietary feature that requires manual intervention.
I think the keys to AMDs future where well laid out by Sue today.
They made some big bets 3-5 years ago design wise. In 2019 they are going to pay off.
No VII was not that bet... and she showed off a working chiplett. They also in a round about way hinted strongly that Ryzen IPC is about to lay the boots to Intel.. by showing off an equally cored ryzen slightly edging out the Intel chip. By using the 5.0ghz Intel part I think that is a safe take away. I doubt they busted out fancy cooling to push their ryzen system over 5. So at same core same clock Ryzen 2 looks to be Intels better.... which hasn't been true in a long time.
Back to the GPUs though... AMD still needs to make money for the first half of 2019. VII should help them make some money. She mentioned more GPUs will be coming in 2019... and I assume as has been suggested Navi is more a mid to second half of 2019 part. Announcing a 200-300 dollar card that can best a 2070 in January if you can't ship them in volume until mid year would be really stupid... if you where still trying to make a few bucks in the mean time.
I believe Sue walked a pretty fine line.. hinting that ya some big things are happening later in the year, while not tanking current sales while everyone waits for those parts. If she had came out guns blazing and announcing products for 2 quarters down the road... how would that help AMD, they need to keep moving product. Not have every potential customer hold out for another 6 months.
Ok lets see if I can address your reply since you fail at basic comprehension and paying attention to context. In your brain, all you could come up with is the fanboy argument when that does not have a goddamn thing to do with it.
One point was that we already had the 1080 ti for this price for nearly 2 years. Vega 7 does NOTHING to move things forward in any way.
Another is that he RTX 2080 is already a fucking joke for the price and I certainly complained about it many times. I personally care nothing about ray tracing or DLSS. Vega 7 though releases at the same price you can get a 2080 for but again has NOTHING special to offer. DLSS, Ray Tracing and Virtual link for VR at least have some forward looking tech that can be utilized more later this year.
In case you still have trouble comprehending, I think the 2080 is a ripoff and AMD had a chance to at least come in at a better price point but they didnt and offer less features to boot.
Furthermore, the price helps to validate Nvidia's attempt to increase prices significantly on their higher end cards. Maybe AMD can't afford to completely low-ball it, but it would be a step forward to launch it at $599 if nothing else which would really cause a LOT of conversion from the RTX 2080 and winning AMD the marketshare it deserves.
looks at my 2 year old 1080ti, nope not yet.
Did I miss something or are they only releasing ONE 7nm card at the flagship level? Nothing in any of the other price brackets?
They just announced one card for now. Besides the one card, everything else is still in development with a Summer 2019 release date. Might hear more about new video cards then.
You actually support my point. It takes a lot of work to get generation-to-generation incremental improvements that aren't near the large leaps we used to see. And all that work takes a lot of investment and its complexity makes production a pain, which is why we're seeing prices remain high despite the smaller improvements. There just isn't much headroom left using current technology.That is truly one of the most ignorant generalizations I have seen in a while. Nvidia made IPC improvements, added more cores and tmus, added RT cores, added tensor cores on what is essentially just a tweaked 16nm process. That is mighty damn impressive and innovative but of course you will pay quite a bit for that. AMD is doing a great job with the CPU side of things and Ryzen 3000 series will certainly be nice improvement. Vega on the hand is not impressive at all and even going from 14nm to 7nm still ends up with the same power usage just from having higher clocks even pushing less cores. That is a fucking joke to ask 700 bucks for that.
I could see AMD selling these for $599 MSRP without games within a few months of launch if they don't sell too well. 2080 vs VII is a close race for appeal even to me and that's coming from an AMD-leaning guy, so it really comes down to business ethics at that point considering RT/DLSS is a nothing feature right now and RT will likely continue to be the same going forward, especially with the performance hit on the 2000 series cards. I feel the VII will age better with more ram on more edge-ish cases though, like 780Ti vs 290X. That said the games are appealing to me and would probably swing the decision firmly.
Regarding 'validating Nvidia price increase' one has to look at it from a business POV. If AMD cuts prices, now Nvidia has to cut prices.
Then both companies bleed.
Right now they are competitive, why not make as many sheckels as possible and keep the prices up as long as possible, then go to the discount war.
No wonder Jensen was so salty, he knows now he has to drop prices eventually, it's inevitable, then out the window goes his 50-100% pricing increase goal he mentioned two years ago which means shitty investors and further share price issues perhaps.