Intel Introduces New 9th Gen Desktop Processors

pcgeekesq said:
It's not necessarly true that these "F" variants are defective chips. Intel is having trouble meeting demand, and reducing the die size of the i9-9900K by removing the iGPU to produce the i9-9900KF would allow them to get more die per wafer (and at a lower cost per die). The part has an obvious market: how many people buy an i9-9900K and don't use a discrete GPU with it?

So there's plenty of reason to think the i9-9900KF (and the other parts) could be new smaller die.
They might not be, or some might be and some might not -- that's the way to maximize the yield, but Intel's major customers would probably demand two SKUs (one for removed-iGPU die, another for disabled-iGPU die). Retail, though, might not be given that info.

If Intel hasn't said whether these die have the iGPU removed or just deleted, we'll have to wait for people to de-lid these products to find out.

This is a weird thing about Intel: in some ways, they don't need new products, they are selling all they can make. This -KF series of chips may be so they can make more without having to build new fabs.
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I really can't see them making new dies for 9900KFs, that's wishful thinking tbh. If we were talking about mainstream laptop chips then maybe, but this is obviously just a way to recover 9900K chips with defective iGPUs.

And I'd expect them to overclock much the same unless there's also a change to the chip package, which I doubt for one chip.
 
The i3-9350FK seems like it could be cool, but ... not cool at all. 4C/4T at 4.0/4.6 and no IGP with a 91W TDP? What is this, 2011?


Rauelius said:
1st Gen - Nehalem/LynnField/Westmere/Clarksdale
2nd Gen - SandyBridge/IvyBridge
3rd Gen - Haswell/Devils Canyon/Broadwell
4th Gen - Skylake/KabyLake/Coffeelake/Coffeelake-refresh

well, unless it's yet another offshoot of Skylake, I say a definite maybe?
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I mean, that's almost sorta similar to the Xeon generations? Ish?
 
Peter2k said:
From Anandtech

except for not having integrated graphics. Technically it is there on the silicon, but it has been disabled
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Considering IGP can be disabled in motherboard BIOS, there surely has to be more to this. Unless the KF variants are cheaper than the regular K CPU's, what's the point?
 
DPI said:
Considering IGP can be disabled in motherboard BIOS, there surely has to be more to this. Unless the KF variants are cheaper than the regular K CPU's, what's the point?
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So Intel can say they have done something new, innovative and refreshing - unlike their competitor.
 
That’s just marketing spin that we all roll our eyes at. But I’m not going to complain if it’s slightly cheaper and slightly cooler. Everyone tries to spin off their defective yields in a lessor SKU, Intel, amd, nvidia. Nothing new.
 
Crotan said:
That’s just marketing spin that we all roll our eyes at. But I’m not going to complain if it’s slightly cheaper and slightly cooler. Everyone tries to spin off their defective yields in a lessor SKU, Intel, amd, nvidia. Nothing new.
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There IS a difference between the same old and truly being innovative. It's pretty clear and you can see the difference through the product lineup. The competitor HAS something different and new, this is just meh as usual.
 
Mega6 said:
So Intel can say they have done something new, innovative and refreshing - unlike their competitor.
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Well, I mean, it's not like they haven't released consumer iGPU-less CPUs before. There were a few P series i5s back in the Sandy/Ivy Bridge generation, as well as the i5-2550K.
 
So Intel introduces "A New World Of Innovation" (their slide) and we all scoff.

Actually, it literally is all of us - that's got to be a first.

Intel really has some work to do, if not in engineering then at least in PR.
 
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These processors do not have TSX-NI. I am getting really tired of Intel removing x, y, z in their products and then even to find the details of the processor can be a bit difficult and misleading. There have been errors in Ark and I still recall the VT-d scandal with the 3770K/Z77 bullshit where it "had" it but didn't according to Asus saying that it wasn't. Ark had that it did, and was removed later. I still have the older whitepaper stating so.
 
Olle P said:
Depends on your definition of "good die".
With the IGP you get a relatively large portion of dies with eight working cores and damaged IGP.
Without the IGP more dies will turn out with a damaged core.
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The yields don't really change w/ or w/o a IGP it's all based on the die size of the CPU itself. They could put in a chiplet CPU in place of the IGP and have just as good yields, but it may or may not be damaged in the same way the IGP would be.
 
Crystoff said:
So Intel introduces "A New World Of Innovation" (their slide) and we all scoff.

Actually, it literally is all of us - that's got to be a first.

Intel really has some work to do, if not in engineering then at least in PR.
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More engineering, not PR.
 
Glock24 said:
Well, I'm impatiently awaiting AMD's conference today.
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I'll sum it up:

- Gloating about their awesomeness
- Hung Out with Phil Spencer and talked gaming
- Talked with some people at a Fox studio, talked about how usefull Treadripper is.
- 7's a great number, we love the number 7.
- Showed Vega 2 based Radeon V-II(7), looks to be about RTX-2080 Performance.
- 8/16 Zen 2(Ryzen 5 3600x?) is equal to the i9-9900k in Cinebench.
- At least two dies on the substrate. A 7nm Zen2 and a 14nm IO Die
- Nothing out till after June
- Did we mention how much we love the number 7? 7nm, Ryzen 7, Radeon 7!!!
- Music
- Black-screen

The meat of it was:

The proposed Ryzen 5 3600x is reportedly supposed to be 8/16, and at half the price of the i9-9900k delivers similar performance. That would mean that the Ryzen 3 3300x would deliver similar performance to an i7 8700k at again, half the price.

The Radeon VII, is supposed to offer RTX-2080 performance at 4k. No word on price. Rumor is $699.
 
pcgeekesq said:
Probably not. Not because they couldn't. but because Intel and it's motherboard vendors don't want that level of confusion.
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Assuming you mean "confusion" sarcastically.

If not, what is so confusing about looking up your motherboard on the company website, pulling up a CPU compatibility table, and seeing if the CPU model number you want to buy is in that list. This stuff is GED level simple.
 
Rauelius said:
I'll sum it up:

- Gloating about their awesomeness
- Hung Out with Phil Spencer and talked gaming
- Talked with some people at a Fox studio, talked about how usefull Treadripper is.
- 7's a great number, we love the number 7.
- Showed Vega 2 based Radeon V-II(7), looks to be about RTX-2080 Performance.
- 8/16 Zen 2(Ryzen 5 3600x?) is equal to the i9-9900k in Cinebench.
- At least two dies on the substrate. A 7nm Zen2 and a 14nm IO Die
- Nothing out till after June
- Did we mention how much we love the number 7? 7nm, Ryzen 7, Radeon 7!!!
- Music
- Black-screen

The meat of it was:

The proposed Ryzen 5 3600x is reportedly supposed to be 8/16, and at half the price of the i9-9900k delivers similar performance. That would mean that the Ryzen 3 3300x would deliver similar performance to an i7 8700k at again, half the price.

The Radeon VII, is supposed to offer RTX-2080 performance at 4k. No word on price. Rumor is $699.
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That $699 price isn't a rumor... That is straight from Lisa's mouth and the slide.
 
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