AMD Navi RX 3080 $249. Leaks & Rumors.

sabrewolf732 said:
uh I said amd is competitive with 1080 and below levels in my post. The 1080 is still a $400 card. It's still high end.
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You realized Nvidia has 1080Ti/2080, 2080Ti, and RTX Titan right? A $400 card these days are more towards the performance segment, not really the high end segment.
 
Chimpee said:
You realized Nvidia has 1080Ti/2080, 2080Ti, and RTX Titan right? A $400 card these days are more towards the performance segment, not really the high end segment.
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Let me help you. AMD doesn't have high end so the high end doesn't matter. Only cheap cards matter regardless of performance.
 
Jandor said:
AMD will show it's new products on 1/9/19 at CES.
New 7nm Ryzen 3000 line with 8 to 16 cores, Vega II for Professionals (WX line) and gaming with 16GB HBM2 (instead of 32 on the Instinct). Il will compete with the RTX 1080Ti and RTX Titan, is to compare more to the Titan V than to RTX. Navi GPU may be present but may only be for sale months later. AMD may have to take care of an RTX kind of API for the gaming developers, since pure DXR API isn't able to fulfill Raytracing in games on its own. This may not happen until AMD doesn't launch all Navi products ro replace Polaris (including Sony and Microsoft gaming consoles). Navi 10 full GPU is capable of RTX 2080 performance. I believe it may be made for sale this summer, but this will be clarified in 2 days. A Zen 2 powerful APU with Navi chiplet will also appear this summer.
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Is that a typo, should it have been RTX 2080Ti...?

I am hyped about a more powerful APU, and hoping for the GPU portion of said APU to be as powerful as it possibly can be...
 
Montu said:
Let me help you. AMD doesn't have high end so the high end doesn't matter. Only cheap cards matter regardless of performance.
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It is a bit more complex as what you are saying here. AMD has had trouble with performance per Watt ever since the R9 290X their designs do not scale when you run into higher clocks (as described by Kyle here) .

It is not a choice rather then a necessity their high end would do silly stuff (power) you can see the problems with Vega as well when you start overclocking.
It is harder for AMD without a budget (remember it takes 3 years to complete a gpu and you can not do anything but finish what you started or scrap the project). People expect that you can just do something because your competitor does it also and from what we have seen in what is happening these days that is not always the case (Intel cpu desktop side of things stuck on 14nm) .

AMD did not have a budget for R&D and what they did on that budget they did pretty well if you would compare it with their competitors budget.
 
El Derpo said:
I have absolutely no idea what you’re trying to say. Literally the only thing I’ve said is I want to buy a high end card from AMD ... a space in which AMD isn’t currently competing in ... a space in which many people in this forum are in, which makes it relevant to discussion. Get the fuck over yourself with this white knighting AMD bullshit.
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El Derpo said:
What’s killing AMD is not giving NVIDIA any competition whatsoever, regardless of price.
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You said they don't offer any competition regardless of price. That's why I called you out, clear now? We both want them to be competitive in high end but don't say they are not competitive at all because that's grossly inaccurate.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
You realize the high end doesn't stop at the 1080 right.
And you realize AMD has nothing beyond that right?
You realize i had to ditch my 1080 for performance reasons right?
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Of course I realize that, I run a 1080ti.

The $400 pricepoint is still a high end price bracket, mid range has historically been $200-$300. (9500pro, 9600pro, 460, 660, 960, 1060 ETC ALL LAUNCHED 2-$300)

Nvidia moving up price brackets does not change people's income.

AMD has nothing to compete with 1080ti and pascal titan and up, NO WHERE DID I SAY OTHERWISE.

AMD has cards to compete with every card up to and including the 1080, beyond that there is zilch.

What is confusing you guys? Just because you guys have the discretionary income to afford $700-$1200 video cards does not make the 1080 a mid range card.

Jesus christ.

This is like saying nissan doesn't have anything to compete with koenigsegg therefore the GTR is not a high performance/high end car.
 
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N4CR said:
You said they don't offer any competition regardless of price. That's why I called you out, clear now? We both want them to be competitive in high end but don't say they are not competitive at all because that's grossly inaccurate.
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In the high end. You seem to be missing my context and perhaps that’s my fault for not clarifying. There is no competition from AMD in the high end, regardless of price. My point was that if AMD did offer something in that range, I wouldn’t care if it cost as much as NVIDIA, I’d still go with AMD to support them, but there isn’t anything to buy in that range (yet). They’ve been competing in the mid / low end for quite some time now. Their newer cards tend to be hotter and more power hungry than NVIDIA’s offerings. People didn’t really need to change their PSUs in the way of upgrading to the 1050 Ti and 1060, which is probably one of the reasons they’ve sold so well. That motherboard-destroying AMD situation a couple years ago didn’t inspire much confidence either. Crossing my fingers for CES.
 
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sabrewolf732 said:
Of course I realize that, I run a 1080ti.

The $400 pricepoint is still a high end price bracket, mid range has historically been $200-$300. (9500pro, 9600pro, 460, 660, 960, 1060 ETC ALL LAUNCHED 2-$300)

Nvidia moving up price brackets does not change people's income.

AMD has nothing to compete with 1080ti and pascal titan and up, NO WHERE DID I SAY OTHERWISE.

AMD has cards to compete with every card up to and including the 1080, beyond that there is zilch.

What is confusing you guys? Just because you guys have the discretionary income to afford $700-$1200 video cards does not make the 1080 a mid range card.

Jesus christ.

This is like saying nissan doesn't have anything to compete with koenigsegg therefore the GTR is not a high performance/high end car.
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These aren't cars.
The 1080 was high end in 2016 and only retained it's price because Vega was so late.
I'll leave you alone in 2016 with your high end card.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
These aren't cars.
The 1080 was high end in 2016 and only retained it's price because Vega was so late.
I'll leave you alone in 2016 with your high end card.
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I’ve never cared for fighting over labels, essentially marketing terms, but when the 1080 is half the speed of the high end cards (2080ti) it falls into mid range for me. I agree with Fidel on this one.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
ckets does not change people's income.

AMD has nothing to compete with 1080ti and pascal titan and up, NO WHERE DID I SAY OTHERWISE.
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Dayaks said:
I’ve never cared for fighting over labels, essentially marketing terms, but when the 1080 is half the speed of the high end cards (2080ti) it falls into mid range for me. I agree with Fidel on this one.
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the 2080ti is priced in the stratosphere (previously occupied by titan cards)

the market pricing is totally fucked up. i guess if youre going by purely performance the 1080 is mid range.

In terms of historical price brackets it's upper mid range/higher end.

does this fix everything?
 
I know there is a lot of talk about "Mid-Range" but personally I hope AMD can deliver decent 4k performance for about $250-$300.

Good 4k monitors are common these days and they are getting cheaper and better fast.

That would shake up the market in a hurry. And I do believe we will be there pretty soon.

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What does decent performance mean to you?
I'm sitting on a 1080Ti and still think that's too weak for comfortable 4k gaming. I somehow doubt we'll see a faster card from AMD at 300$.
 
stashix said:
What does decent performance mean to you?
I'm sitting on a 1080Ti and still think that's too weak for comfortable 4k gaming. I somehow doubt we'll see a faster card from AMD at 300$.
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Steady 40+ on mixed High/Ultra would do it for me with the type of games I've been playing lately.

Conan Exiles, No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous etc...

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Yep 25% more performance at 4k. That's 1080Ti performance right there. Nothing about Navi though.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Yep I think that is a bit sad. I'm not looking for performance in that segment still waiting for Navi :) .
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Yeah, i really thought that this was going to be about Navi. Might have to wait until the 2nd half of 2019 for that.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
I think they are quoting the 7nm improvements, they said nothing about the uplift from any improvements made to Vega.
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Those tend to be minor. The Vega 7 is not a bad card I mean 16GB HBM2 certainly performing but that is against 12nm products and if that is the case it will work fine until Nvidia switches to 7nm and then it will age fast. For 2 years of performance little steep for $700.
 
Chimpee said:
So Computex then?
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If there was a need to make adjustments then I have no idea on what part the only thing I can hope for that it is not in any shape or form related to what happened to the RX 480 ;) .

The launch of Zen 2 based Ryzen 3000 is now middle of the year so any time around that would work?
 
Pieter3dnow said:
If there was a need to make adjustments then I have no idea on what part the only thing I can hope for that it is not in any shape or form related to what happened to the RX 480 ;) .

The launch of Zen 2 based Ryzen 3000 is now middle of the year so any time around that would work?
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The whole RX 480 release felt like amateur hour at RTG, though I do think the whole pci-e slot issue was a bit overblown. I am looking forward to replace my 2600X to a Ryzen 3000 after seeing the demo today. It has been a long time that I am actually excited about CPU release from both AMD and Intel, 2019 will be a good year for CPU as AMD is firing all cylinders but also, seeing Intel getting back on its feet as there is light at the end of the tunnel on this whole 10 nm debacle.
 
Chimpee said:
The whole RX 480 release felt like amateur hour at RTG, though I do think the whole pci-e slot issue was a bit overblown. I am looking forward to replace my 2600X to a Ryzen 3000 after seeing the demo today. It has been a long time that I am actually excited about CPU release from both AMD and Intel, 2019 will be a good year for CPU as AMD is firing all cylinders but also, seeing Intel getting back on its feet as there is light at the end of the tunnel on this whole 10 nm debacle.
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I'm pretty excited about having a full Team Red PC later this year.
 
Chimpee said:
though I do think the whole pci-e slot issue was a bit overblown
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From an enthusiast perspective, absolutely- but for anyone trying to plug one into a random Dell/HP/etc?

AMD deserved the heat they got for dropping that ball.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
From an enthusiast perspective, absolutely- but for anyone trying to plug one into a random Dell/HP/etc?

AMD deserved the heat they got for dropping that ball.
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Except that nothing blew up caught fire or got magic drivers that burned your card down :).
 
Chimpee said:
The whole RX 480 release felt like amateur hour at RTG, though I do think the whole pci-e slot issue was a bit overblown. I am looking forward to replace my 2600X to a Ryzen 3000 after seeing the demo today. It has been a long time that I am actually excited about CPU release from both AMD and Intel, 2019 will be a good year for CPU as AMD is firing all cylinders but also, seeing Intel getting back on its feet as there is light at the end of the tunnel on this whole 10 nm debacle.
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Honestly intel releasing 10nm chips at the end of 2019 is 50-50 to me. At this point I will believe it when I see it. That might be their best case scenario. I wouldn't be surprised if it pushes out in 2020. I think AMD will have a good 6 months head start in either case and ryzen 3000 series is indeed looking pretty right now.
 
Auer said:
I know there is a lot of talk about "Mid-Range" but personally I hope AMD can deliver decent 4k performance for about $250-$300.



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The 2080ti can't even do 4k 60fps constantly (it can in most games but there's several it can't) and that's over a grand, how are amd meant to put out a 4k card for a third of that price?
 
Chris_B said:
The 2080ti can't even do 4k 60fps constantly (it can in most games but there's several it can't) and that's over a grand, how are amd meant to put out a 4k card for a third of that price?
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I'd settle for a steady 30+ fps for non shooter titles.

But obviously I had unreasonable expectations.

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I was thinking about a video card upgrade / watching some YouTube tech channels and the speculation right now (+ last official AMD roadmap) is that Vega 7 @ $700 is going to be the last Vega and simply used to fill AMD's high end, then Navi low and medium the rest of 2019 and then maybe Navi high end 2020+.

If that's what ends up happening, I really can't say I really blame them. They had to divert resources to Ryzen development from the rest of AMD and I think that was the right decision, given how well Ryzen turned out. Now that the Ryzen roadmap is finally falling into place, I'd imagine AMD can finally unleash Radeon ... though it's going to take another year or two to even hear about the really good stuff.

I think the pivotal thing is whether during this AMD "cooking" time, if Nvidia is going to be able to grow ray tracing into a thing and use that as a proprietary wall to keep all competitors out. Could go either way given that Nvidia's other wacky ideas have worked (physx is a thing still right?) and flopped (hair works?).

Plus, I'm curious to see what the former RADEON headman - Raja Koduri - is going to be able to do for Intel now that he has access to Intel $$$$.
 
c3k said:
So...a few more months to hear about Navi.

Sigh.
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It was always going to come out mid-year, so little to nothing has changed. You didn't seriously think they'd give you ALL the Navi information in January, 5 months before release, right? If so, well... stop believing all the rumors.
 
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