Tesla Will Cut Prices to Combat Tax Credit Phase Out

M76 said:
ROTFLMAO What went wrong? Bodywork How the hell does bodywork go wrong, unless you crash your car?
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It's a pretty common problem on some cars.
Things like the rubber stripping around the doors/windows coming off, poor paint on plastic parts that fades or peals in a couple years, poor initial fit in finish, etc.

Not an unexpected problem on a 10 year old car, but really disappointing on car that's only a few months old.
 
aokman said:
He probably realised why am I wasting my time on a ricer :ROFLMAO:
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Angry lawn mowers. At least that's what I referred to the Civic boys with their ridiculous coffee can exhausts on a four banger in the 90's :)
 
BlueFireIce said:
The Model 3 isn't that fast (nothing like the S), and is close to the Type R in a straight line. However all the Tesla models have a weak top end, they are popular racers in the street racing world because light to light a Model S will beat a lot of cars, however past 90mph most cars will start to pull hard on them, and after 120mph pretty much all steam is gone and the other car will fly by. its why most people wont do roll races, only from a dig with a Tesla. Defending it's performance is wasted time, Tesla, at least the loaded Model S is a 1/8 and 1/4 terror, mostly because it takes zero skill to do it, as everything is computer controlled, however top speed runs or track use, it's not impressive to beat one, as those are it's weak points.
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The model 3 performance does 0-100 in 3.5 conservatively... its in a completely different league to a civic toaster
 
M76 said:
ROTFLMAO What went wrong? Bodywork How the hell does bodywork go wrong, unless you crash your car?
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How about this - bodywork you can see. If they can't be arsed to be particular about that, what the heck is going on deeper where you can't so easily see?

Reminds me of when I was looking at model houses before buying. Went into one builders model homes and at the top of the stairs to the second floor, as soon as I got up there something just felt off. I paused, looked around and then realized an 8 foot section of wall to my right at the top of the stairs was going in and out a good three inches. In a model home. Seriously?!?. I didn't buy from that builder, I can tell you that (they also used dimensional lumber instead of engineered floor joists - another red flag of the stupidest kind of cheapness in construction).

These kinds of things are tells.
 
aokman said:
The model 3 performance does 0-100 in 3.5 conservatively... its in a completely different league to a civic toaster
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No it doesn't.

It does 0-60 in 3.5, for the highest end version, which he didn't say it was, and 3.5 isn't fast for the price rage it's in. Mid model does 0-60 in 4.5 and base does 5.6 seconds. 0-60 as I stated is also the strong point for EV's, a top end run on a highway they will be an easy kill for a type R. That and a Model 3 Performance is 62k, the type R is half that. Don't go down the fan boy road, it's not going to be pretty for you.
 
BlueFireIce said:
No it doesn't.

It does 0-60 in 3.5, for the highest end version, which he didn't say it was, and 3.5 isn't fast for the price rage it's in. Mid model does 0-60 in 4.5 and base does 5.6 seconds. 0-60 as I stated is also the strong point for EV's, a top end run on a highway they will be an easy kill for a type R. That and a Model 3 Performance is 62k, the type R is half that. Don't go down the fan boy road, it's not going to be pretty for you.
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Im not a fan boy but im also not a delusional ricer who thinks a type R is some rare supercar. It is a lunchbox on wheels.

In real world testing the model 3 has done 0-100 in 3.5 and that is with its stock eco tyres. Throw some slicks on it and itll go quicker.
 
nutzo said:
It's a pretty common problem on some cars.
Things like the rubber stripping around the doors/windows coming off, poor paint on plastic parts that fades or peals in a couple years, poor initial fit in finish, etc.

Not an unexpected problem on a 10 year old car, but really disappointing on car that's only a few months old.
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I haven't seen cars that would come apart on their own since good old communist era cars. Pre 1989.
 
aokman said:
Im not a fan boy but im also not a delusional ricer who thinks a type R is some rare supercar. It is a lunchbox on wheels.

In real world testing the model 3 has done 0-100 in 3.5 and that is with its stock eco tyres. Throw some slicks on it and itll go quicker.
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Are you sure you aren't confusing mph with km/h? Because 0-100 km/h is the same thing as 0-60 mph. And because this is a primarily American forum we use the dinky imperial units. Except for computer temps.

FYI, the Bugatti Veyron did 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds. There is no way in hell a Model 3 is almost twice as fast as a Veyron. The Model S can't even touch it.
 
Tsumi said:
Are you sure you aren't confusing mph with km/h? Because 0-100 km/h is the same thing as 0-60 mph. And because this is a primarily American forum we use the dinky imperial units. Except for computer temps.

FYI, the Bugatti Veyron did 0-100 mph in 5.5 seconds. There is no way in hell a Model 3 is almost twice as fast as a Veyron. The Model S can't even touch it.
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Back to back 0-60mph in 3.2sec... also confirmed or better by others. Lighter wheels and tyres and it’ll do 3.1sec. I am in Australia, we use metric.

The Tesla Model 3 performance does the 1/4 mile in 11.7sec. The new Honda Civic Type R does it in a pedestrian 13.6sec

 
aokman said:
Im not a fan boy but im also not a delusional ricer who thinks a type R is some rare supercar. It is a lunchbox on wheels.

In real world testing the model 3 has done 0-100 in 3.5 and that is with its stock eco tyres. Throw some slicks on it and itll go quicker.
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Not delusional, you are. the 3 does not do 0-100 in 3.5, it does 0-60 in 3.5. No one said the type R is a super car, again, you are going into fan boy mode. The Type R is actually a very capable car for what it is and for its price, it actually beats all the Model 3's even in 0-60 except for the Performance model which is twice the price of the Type R, you can talk down about it because its not a Tesla all you like, it doesn't change the facts.

Teslas, and most EVs have great 0-60 and even 1/4 miles times due to how TQ and electric motors work, it also allows for perfect launch control by the computer. However, after 90mph they lose steam, and after 120mph are almost totally out of it as acceleration very quickly tapers off. As such, him beating one in a type R in a top speed highway run is very possible and not impressive. The Model 3 is also not very fast, as you seem to think it is, it's price range puts it into some very steep competition when speaking about performance. But as I said, EVs strong points are 1/4 mile times, it's a one trick pony. You can't seem to grasp that and would rather hate on the Civic.....Because?

You are also wrong again on tires, as the Model 3 performance comes with Pilot Sport 4S tires, which are a quite good high performance 300TW tire. However that matters zero when yet again, talking about highway top speed runs.

aokman said:
Back to back 0-60mph in 3.2sec... also confirmed or better by others. Lighter wheels and tyres and it’ll do 3.1sec. I am in Australia, we use metric.

The Tesla Model 3 performance does the 1/4 mile in 11.7sec. The new Honda Civic Type R does it in a pedestrian 13.6sec

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Funny how most of the car mags (Motor Trend, Car And Driver etc etc) and site have a hard time hitting Teslas numbers when using expensive lap timers and VBox, but some random guy online with a $100 "Performance Meter" beats it. Oh, thats right, they are known for not being accurate and are known for needing to be calibrated to a real lap timer before even being close. They are great for checking if a mod made your car faster, or getting an idea of where you are at, but they are not proper timers. However, yet again, 0-60 DOES NOT MATTER IN A TOP SPEED HIGHWAY RUN. I used caps as you don't seem to have your glasses on.

Car and Driver:

"Like other EVs, the Model 3's advantage fades as velocity rises—that's part of the disadvantage of not having multiple transmission ratios—but the internal-combustion sports sedans don't really start gaining until you get to 100 mph, which the Performance hits in 8.9 seconds. All the aforementioned cars reach that mark a few tenths of a second earlier, led by the Giulia Quadrifoglio at 8.1, and all claim higher top speeds than the Tesla, ranging from the Cadillac's 160-plus to the Alfa's 191 mph. With the Performance Upgrade package, the Model 3 we tested was governed to 153 mph."

Enjoy what the Tesla is and what it is good at, and learn to admit where it doesn't keep up. Life is much easier when you don't go off into fan boy mode.
 
aokman said:
Back to back 0-60mph in 3.2sec... also confirmed or better by others. Lighter wheels and tyres and it’ll do 3.1sec. I am in Australia, we use metric.

The Tesla Model 3 performance does the 1/4 mile in 11.7sec. The new Honda Civic Type R does it in a pedestrian 13.6sec

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If you knew that, then why the hell DID YOU KEEP ON INSISTING 0-100 IN 3.5 WHEN EVERYONE ELSE WAS SAYING 0-60 IN 3.5!? Were you just deliberately trying to be confrontational? That's what that seems like at this point.
 
Tsumi said:
If you knew that, then why the hell DID YOU KEEP ON INSISTING 0-100 IN 3.5 WHEN EVERYONE ELSE WAS SAYING 0-60 IN 3.5!? Were you just deliberately trying to be confrontational? That's what that seems like at this point.
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3.5 is Tesla’s quoted figure. That figure is conservative just like Porsche do.
 
UnrealCpu said:
ii raced a model 3 on the highway with my civic type r and i i think his battery got weaker after 120mph or he couldnt keep up.
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Yeah, but you're still the one driving the riced out looking R...... My god that car is unnecessarily ugly with the fake/useless plastic panels..... Not to mention that rear end with the mismatched triple assholes. Hope it was worth the dealer markup, I would buy it at a severe discount.
 
BlueFireIce said:
Not delusional, you are. the 3 does not do 0-100 in 3.5, it does 0-60 in 3.5. No one said the type R is a super car, again, you are going into fan boy mode. The Type R is actually a very capable car for what it is and for its price, it actually beats all the Model 3's even in 0-60 except for the Performance model which is twice the price of the Type R, you can talk down about it because its not a Tesla all you like, it doesn't change the facts.

Teslas, and most EVs have great 0-60 and even 1/4 miles times due to how TQ and electric motors work, it also allows for perfect launch control by the computer. However, after 90mph they lose steam, and after 120mph are almost totally out of it as acceleration very quickly tapers off. As such, him beating one in a type R in a top speed highway run is very possible and not impressive. The Model 3 is also not very fast, as you seem to think it is, it's price range puts it into some very steep competition when speaking about performance. But as I said, EVs strong points are 1/4 mile times, it's a one trick pony. You can't seem to grasp that and would rather hate on the Civic.....Because?

You are also wrong again on tires, as the Model 3 performance comes with Pilot Sport 4S tires, which are a quite good high performance 300TW tire. However that matters zero when yet again, talking about highway top speed runs.




Funny how most of the car mags (Motor Trend, Car And Driver etc etc) and site have a hard time hitting Teslas numbers when using expensive lap timers and VBox, but some random guy online with a $100 "Performance Meter" beats it. Oh, thats right, they are known for not being accurate and are known for needing to be calibrated to a real lap timer before even being close. They are great for checking if a mod made your car faster, or getting an idea of where you are at, but they are not proper timers. However, yet again, 0-60 DOES NOT MATTER IN A TOP SPEED HIGHWAY RUN. I used caps as you don't seem to have your glasses on.

Car and Driver:

"Like other EVs, the Model 3's advantage fades as velocity rises—that's part of the disadvantage of not having multiple transmission ratios—but the internal-combustion sports sedans don't really start gaining until you get to 100 mph, which the Performance hits in 8.9 seconds. All the aforementioned cars reach that mark a few tenths of a second earlier, led by the Giulia Quadrifoglio at 8.1, and all claim higher top speeds than the Tesla, ranging from the Cadillac's 160-plus to the Alfa's 191 mph. With the Performance Upgrade package, the Model 3 we tested was governed to 153 mph."

Enjoy what the Tesla is and what it is good at, and learn to admit where it doesn't keep up. Life is much easier when you don't go off into fan boy mode.
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Have you been in one dude? I was in one today when I carpooled with my coworker/friend. Shit is quick as fuck. Yea almost felt like I was going to snap my damn neck lol. Its under 4 seconds for sure and it was the base model. Tesla low balls their number. To me it don't mattter how you get to 0-60 or where you do it. Its frickin 0-60 from a dead stop. If you are talking about 0-60 and not throwing all this other crap its quick.
 
NKD said:
Have you been in one dude? I was in one today when I carpooled with my coworker/friend. Shit is quick as fuck. Yea almost felt like I was going to snap my damn neck lol. Its under 4 seconds for sure and it was the base model. Tesla low balls their number. To me it don't mattter how you get to 0-60 or where you do it. Its frickin 0-60 from a dead stop. If you are talking about 0-60 and not throwing all this other crap its quick.
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What exactly are you trying to argue/refute? He already acknowledged that it does 0-60 in 3.5, and the argument was NOT about whether or not it can do 0-60 in 3.5.
 
Tsumi said:
What exactly are you trying to argue/refute? He already acknowledged that it does 0-60 in 3.5, and the argument was NOT about whether or not it can do 0-60 in 3.5.
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Okay.
 
BlueFireIce said:
The Model 3 isn't that fast (nothing like the S), and is close to the Type R in a straight line. However all the Tesla models have a weak top end, they are popular racers in the street racing world because light to light a Model S will beat a lot of cars, however past 90mph most cars will start to pull hard on them, and after 120mph pretty much all steam is gone and the other car will fly by. its why most people wont do roll races, only from a dig with a Tesla. Defending it's performance is wasted time, Tesla, at least the loaded Model S is a 1/8 and 1/4 terror, mostly because it takes zero skill to do it, as everything is computer controlled, however top speed runs or track use, it's not impressive to beat one, as those are it's weak points.
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and that is illustrated perfectly here.



my problem with Tesla is they can deny you access to parts for any reason they want. Want to fix it yourself? you are SOL for the most part. Want to rebuild one? again you are SOL for the most part.

drive unit failure is another large issue and with them failing around 40K....yeah that sucks once the warranty is up.
 
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NKD said:
Have you been in one dude? I was in one today when I carpooled with my coworker/friend. Shit is quick as fuck. Yea almost felt like I was going to snap my damn neck lol. Its under 4 seconds for sure and it was the base model. Tesla low balls their number. To me it don't mattter how you get to 0-60 or where you do it. Its frickin 0-60 from a dead stop. If you are talking about 0-60 and not throwing all this other crap its quick.
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They are "quick as fuck" to people who don't race cars, not trying to be rude or anything. The S P100D is quick, and if I I had to pick one car for 1/8 mile runs, I would pick it all day long. And yes, I have been in one, I have been in a Bolt, Leaf, Model 3, Model X, P85D and P100D. I have also been in all sorts of exotics, and an untold number of shop/race cars, including a highly modded Model S built for Pikes Peak. And no, it was not under 4 seconds for the base, stop lying, really, it is listed on Teslas own website the base is 5.6 seconds, it might have FELT quicker, but it wasn't. And no, Tesla does not under rate their cars, almost all the mags and car reviews have a hard time hitting Teslas numbers. That is people using proper timing gear, most people putting their videos on YT don't have access to a $50,000+ timing setup, they are using their phones or timing the video by hand. Now, I have seen people get 3.5 and just under on a prepped drag strip with better tires, but now you are into modding, slap some slicks on a vette etc and watch what happens. Most higher performance cars stock are limited by tires, not out right power, it is one of the reasons Teslas do so well, as the performance models are AWD and have almost prefect launch control with the electric motors.

Why people feel the need to make things up about Tesla I have no idea. They are great cars and perform well, but people need to accept them for what they are. "under 4 seconds for the base" is like saying "I got 1,000 miles on a single charge from my Tesla!!" When everyone knows and Tesla lists it's range as 310 miles.

Tsumi said:
What exactly are you trying to argue/refute? He already acknowledged that it does 0-60 in 3.5, and the argument was NOT about whether or not it can do 0-60 in 3.5.
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Wow, someone can read! Thank you.

People go all fan boy mode about 0-60 and how quick a Tesla is when the only post I made was that a top speed run on the highway wasn't very impressive because of very limited top end. I guess in their mind it has to beat everything at everything because......Tesla!

YeuEmMaiMai said:
and that is illustrated perfectly here.



my problem with Tesla is they can deny you access to parts for any reason they want. Want to fix it yourself? you are SOL for the most part. Want to rebuild one? again you are SOL for the most part.

drive unit failure is another large issue and with them failing around 40K....yeah that sucks once the warranty is up.
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There is a better video vs a model 3, I will have to look for it, but it shows how weak the top end is. That and the Demon is kinda a joke in the car world, with how little tire it has stock for the power they put into it, shitty launches and should be much faster than it is. I would still pick the P100D, as it's "push gas pedal and win", repeatability is very easy so long as you float the battery right. But then again I have not really been into drag racing only for some time and would rather something else.

As for parts, thats very true on the older ones as well. There are a few people and a few well known YTers that have had to do their own repairs, and worse part is that some parts are not being produced any more and most have to buy parts cars to pull parts from. Which is horrible. I will give Tesla a BIT of a pass here in that they are VERY new car mfg and expect this to improve with time....If it doesn't, that would be a 100% no buy for me, as I do plan on an EV sometime in the next 5 years.
 
BlueFireIce The demon comes with slicks and you have to sign a bunch of legal shit before they even sell you one due to this.... Buddy at work just got one. It will do 0-60 in 2.1 seconds, so not sure what the heck you're talking about it not being that fast. The only thing faster than that is the roadster and maybe a couple other supercar electrics.

But it's still a 95k car that is only good for going in a straight line. I wouldn't get one, but it's still stupid fast.
 
Biznatch said:
BlueFireIce The demon comes with slicks and you have to sign a bunch of legal shit before they even sell you one due to this.... Buddy at work just got one. It will do 0-60 in 2.1 seconds, so not sure what the heck you're talking about it not being that fast. The only thing faster than that is the roadster and maybe a couple other supercar electrics.

But it's still a 95k car that is only good for going in a straight line. I wouldn't get one, but it's still stupid fast.
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It comes with DOT radials, not slicks. Signing legal papers is just a CYA for Dodge, as they market it as a track car for the street and yet it doesn't have a cage, most strips will not let you run the Demon if you take it because almost every track is going to have rules on roll over protection for cars faster than a given ET. If you watched the video I was replying to you would understand why I said it was not very fast (didn't even break the 9's), and why I said they should have given it more tire stock, as stock it only has a 315/40/18 on the rear, I have friends with Miatas that run more tire. And you will see in the video, like almost everyone who has a Demon, is that launching it is not easy, and most people are WAY under the stated 1/4 mile times, just like in the video. Lots of cars are faster if you don't live in the OEM world, I come from shop cars and race tracks, you get used to the speed after years of living with it.

But, almost everyone who has even gotten close to the claimed 1/4 mile times are not running stock tires.
 
BlueFireIce said:
They are "quick as fuck" to people who don't race cars, not trying to be rude or anything. The S P100D is quick, and if I I had to pick one car for 1/8 mile runs, I would pick it all day long. And yes, I have been in one, I have been in a Bolt, Leaf, Model 3, Model X, P85D and P100D. I have also been in all sorts of exotics, and an untold number of shop/race cars, including a highly modded Model S built for Pikes Peak. And no, it was not under 4 seconds for the base, stop lying, really, it is listed on Teslas own website the base is 5.6 seconds, it might have FELT quicker, but it wasn't. And no, Tesla does not under rate their cars, almost all the mags and car reviews have a hard time hitting Teslas numbers. That is people using proper timing gear, most people putting their videos on YT don't have access to a $50,000+ timing setup, they are using their phones or timing the video by hand. Now, I have seen people get 3.5 and just under on a prepped drag strip with better tires, but now you are into modding, slap some slicks on a vette etc and watch what happens. Most higher performance cars stock are limited by tires, not out right power, it is one of the reasons Teslas do so well, as the performance models are AWD and have almost prefect launch control with the electric motors.

Why people feel the need to make things up about Tesla I have no idea. They are great cars and perform well, but people need to accept them for what they are. "under 4 seconds for the base" is like saying "I got 1,000 miles on a single charge from my Tesla!!" When everyone knows and Tesla lists it's range as 310 miles.



Wow, someone can read! Thank you.

People go all fan boy mode about 0-60 and how quick a Tesla is when the only post I made was that a top speed run on the highway wasn't very impressive because of very limited top end. I guess in their mind it has to beat everything at everything because......Tesla!



There is a better video vs a model 3, I will have to look for it, but it shows how weak the top end is. That and the Demon is kinda a joke in the car world, with how little tire it has stock for the power they put into it, shitty launches and should be much faster than it is. I would still pick the P100D, as it's "push gas pedal and win", repeatability is very easy so long as you float the battery right. But then again I have not really been into drag racing only for some time and would rather something else.

As for parts, thats very true on the older ones as well. There are a few people and a few well known YTers that have had to do their own repairs, and worse part is that some parts are not being produced any more and most have to buy parts cars to pull parts from. Which is horrible. I will give Tesla a BIT of a pass here in that they are VERY new car mfg and expect this to improve with time....If it doesn't, that would be a 100% no buy for me, as I do plan on an EV sometime in the next 5 years.
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Umm no they are fast as fk period in performance models, any car that can run a 10-11 qtr mile is quick.

There are numerous people who have done 3.2-3.3 0-60 in the Model 3 performance stock so yes Tesla quotes conservative figures.
 
aokman said:
Umm no they are fast as fk period in performance models, any car that can run a 10-11 qtr mile is quick.

There are numerous people who have done 3.2-3.3 0-60 in the Model 3 performance stock so yes Tesla quotes conservative figures.
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Do you have a point at all? You are about to go on my ignore list.
 
BlueFireIce said:
as I do plan on an EV sometime in the next 5 years.
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I'm currently debating on a ~$10k LS3/LT1 swapped town car now or doing a DIY EV town car in the future at a probable cost of >$30k.

BlueFireIce said:
Do you have a point at all? You are about to go on my ignore list.
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Can only imagine he is just trolling at this point.
 
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BlueFireIce said:
Do you have a point at all? You are about to go on my ignore list.
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My point is, you are wrong. You said Tesla don’t quote conservative figures. It has been confirmed many times that they do since the Model S. Oh noes please don’t put me on the ignore list, I need a friend :ROFLMAO:
 
Tsumi said:
I'm currently debating on a ~$10k LS3/LT1 swapped town car now or doing a DIY EV town car in the future at a probable cost of >$30k.



Can only imagine he is just trolling at this point.
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V8 swapped for 10k? Does it run? lol.

DIY EV for racing I would do, not for the street though, or at least not for a DD, I don't have the time to troubleshoot/repair, I almost don't have time to keep my autox car running anymore.

And I am sure he is, or he has something lose in his head, either case, I can't see what he posts anymore, so all is good.
 
BlueFireIce said:
The pass should be understood as its understandable, but not acceptable, which is why I don't own one right now.
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just gonna post this here.. dude bought a used Tesla 2 months ago, and still does not have it





nope, this is not acceptable... they require non refundable deposit, car to be insured before you take delivery, string you out as they fail to deliver the goods time and time again.

when I bought my Subaru almost 3 years ago, it was walk in 2 hours later, drive out with car.

If I was buying a tesla, I would rather they work out the issues of actually getting the car to me in a timely manner vs a measly 2-3K price reduction

and that demon reels that tesla in like it was a walk in the park....
 
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YeuEmMaiMai said:
just gonna post this here.. dude bought a used Tesla 2 months ago, and still does not have it





nope, this is not acceptable... they require non refundable deposit, car to be insured before you take delivery, string you out as they fail to deliver the goods time and time again.

when I bought my Subaru almost 3 years ago, it was walk in 2 hours later, drive out with car.

If I was buying a tesla, I would rather they work out the issues of actually getting the car to me in a timely manner vs a measly 2-3K price reduction

and that demon reels that tesla in like it was a walk in the park....
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Its Rich Rebuilds... Hopefully Elon told them to screw him around as much as possible. The guy is a parasite for youtube views.
 
aokman said:
Its Rich Rebuilds... Hopefully Elon told them to screw him around as much as possible. The guy is a parasite for youtube views.
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lemme get this straight, you are hoping a guy whom bought a tesla gets screwed over because you do not like him on YT?

I would suggest that having that POV is not a good one....

the absolute best part is it is on YT for all to see how Tesla treats people that put down their hard earned cash for one of their products..

Subaru = 2 hours and you are done

Tesla = 2 months and counting for said car.
 
BlueFireIce said:
V8 swapped for 10k? Does it run? lol.

DIY EV for racing I would do, not for the street though, or at least not for a DD, I don't have the time to troubleshoot/repair, I almost don't have time to keep my autox car running anymore.

And I am sure he is, or he has something lose in his head, either case, I can't see what he posts anymore, so all is good.
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I can find a Town Car for around $2k, and on my local Craigslist I've been seeing LS3 with 6l80 combos ranging from $3k to $6k. I plan to do most of the work myself, LS swap mounts are available, just need transmission mounts and driveshaft. LT1 with 8l90 would probably put me closer to $15-20k; it's my ideal swap but probably won't happen due to cost and lack of existing mounts.
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
lemme get this straight, you are hoping a guy whom bought a tesla gets screwed over because you do not like him on YT?

I would suggest that having that POV is not a good one....

the absolute best part is it is on YT for all to see how Tesla treats people that put down their hard earned cash for one of their products..

Subaru = 2 hours and you are done

Tesla = 2 months and counting for said car.
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Uh it's a fully refundable 1k deposit that you can cancel at any time...... And I have no idea why this guy would be waiting for 2 months when they were selling/delivering to anyone that wanted one before the year end to make sure they got the tax credit, and had ~3k still ready to deliver that weren't sold. Sounds like more BS from someone who doesn't like tesla.....

And how much of that subaru purchase went to the mandatory middleman (dealer), instead of selling directly to you the consumer like tesla does? And you're still stuck with the subaru stale platform..... Hopefully your stock engine doesn't burn through the ringlands on #4 like my forester did, requiring a $4k engine replacement.... But please, go on about how much better it was to buy......
 
aokman said:
***DANGER TO MANIFOLD***
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F&F created a bad stereotype that people to this day seem to echo. Except the street scene is more serious. The meets I go to have guys with Civics pumping out up to 400 HP to the wheels and they will smoke Teslas from a dig, not just a roll. And these are streetable sleepers, not purpose built dragsters.
 
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