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I'm of course very critical of the pricing. $5,000 dollars ... :/

Absolutely and completely absurd, silly and unnecessary in that Samsung already beat nVidia to the "BFGD" in 2018.

For $850 you can pickup a Samsung NU8000 that does HDR + 120hz ( Native ) @ 1440p with an incredible port latency of 9ms. If you guys didn't know, this is better than most high-end very expensive gaming monitors. Go research this yourself. Response time is also 2ms or so all under "Game Mode." There are also QLED versions of this Samsung BFGD available as well for slightly more. And yes, these are 10bit panels with 1000 nits of brightness and going up from there. The highest end Samsung BFGD does 1400 or 1500 nits of brightness.

Absolutely incredible for less than 1/5th the cost.

 
2019 LG OLED panels will have per pixel brightness, better response times and 120Hz along with HDMI 2.1 for less money. I know where I'd spend my money on a 65" screen
 
If true, I'll be the first to buy one.

But, about response times .... aka pixel refresh rates ... that is a meaningless number these days especially with any modern display going back the last handful of years. In the past, "scream smearing" was an issue aka ghosting, etc etc. Almost zero complaints these days. Of course anyone here is free to link me to reviews that say otherwise.

Again, response times and latency are two totally different animals. The kids that keep bringing up response times are looking at the wrong number.

Port latency is the number you want to be super low. Currently, LG is twice as slow as Samsung in this dept. I think Samsung and then Sony are leaders in this arena. Not LG and certainly not anyone else. Of course I love to be corrected and or educated if anyone has reviews, editorials, links, etc.

BTW, I'm on rtings.com several times a week so I am definitely on the up and up with all the numbers.

If LG's new displays can do 9ms port latency along with everything else you mentioned then that's gonna be awesome.

You mention cheaper? Do you have any information on this that shows pricing and details? Very curious. I hope you're information is not passed down 2nd hand information. Cheaper? Sounds to good to be true.

I think it's about damn time we all get BFGD options. So far, Samsung is killing it in the BFGD dept.

Thank in advance.
 
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SixFootDuo said:
If true, I'll be the first to buy one.

But, about response times .... aka pixel refresh rates ... that is a meaningless number these days especially with any modern display going back the last handful of years. In the past, "scream smearing" was an issue aka ghosting, etc etc. Almost zero complaints these days. Of course anyone here is free to link me to reviews that say otherwise.

Again, response times and latency are two totally different animals. The kids that keep bringing up response times are looking at the wrong number.

Port latency is the number you want to be super low. Currently, LG is twice as slow as Samsung in this dept. I think Samsung and then Sony are leaders in this arena. Not LG and certainly not anyone else. Of course I love to be corrected and or educated if anyone has reviews, editorials, links, etc.
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What is port latency? Is it something that adds to input lag?

My 2016 Samsung KS7005 (Nordic KS8000) still has a bit of smearing to its motion so pixel response times are still a valid issue. I'd say most are at an acceptable level and 120 Hz becoming a standard refresh rate with HDMI 2.1 should mitigate most of it.
 
Comparing a monitor like the BFGD to a television? Get back to us when Samsung starts producing a 65" PC monitor.
kasakka said:
What is port latency? Is it something that adds to input lag?

My 2016 Samsung KS7005 (Nordic KS8000) still has a bit of smearing to its motion so pixel response times are still a valid issue. I'd say most are at an acceptable level and 120 Hz becoming a standard refresh rate with HDMI 2.1 should mitigate most of it.
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I have no idea what he is talking about when referring to "port latency." It's something I've never heard used before. I think he means input latency. If that is the case then I still don't know what he's talking about because it is brought up all the time here and in other places.

As for response time, refresh rate can help, but it is still limited by the panel technology. Most, if not all Samsung panels use their own proprietary VA type technology. And I have yet to see anyone able to get real world response time on any VA panel under 10ms without inducing large amounts of RTC error, which is easy to see if you look at reviews for VA monitors that have a maximum refresh rate of 144 or 200 Hz.
 
I'm using a Samsung 2018 on one rig. It's great, but the lag at 4K is too much for PC gaming. I'm using it for PS4 Pro mostly now, and that is acceptable.

I think there is still space for a gaming optimized large monitor, but $5,000 is a bit steep considering the other options.
 
You guys can act dumb all you want. You really don't expect me to care do you? LOL.

And, um, I have a KS8000 ..... you can go back and look at all my posts where I talk about it. Do a search for KS8000 here on the HardOCP Forums and you will see me talk about this display many many times over the past few years. Sorry, I'm gonna call you out on this one. I've never seen smearing ... period. I'm guessing you're not sure what model you have, or if you do have this model it's damaged and or your monitor has different parts / panel because of where you are in the world. One of the three.

So no, there is no smearing on the KS8000 ... rtings gave this display I think it's highest rating the year it was released and they never mention smearing at all. Dunno, check your settings, replace a cable or get someone more knowledgeable to help you sort your "smearing" issues sorted out would be my suggestion.

While I'm at it boys, let's get something straight right now .... all modern displays are monitors are displays are monitors. The inclusion of a tuner doesn't take away from the fact that it's a display or a monitor. I really dislike word games so let's get you to kick it up a level if you're going to continue in on this discussion. If not, don't post and walk away. You will not be missed. This might be shocking to you but they are all one in the same these days. If you really think a 27" monitor is that much different from a 55" display then there is nothing I can help you with. I just don't have the time to break it down for you. I would suggest you stray away from having a narrow POV however. Even more alarming is the fact that this new display is 65" has "television" smart features, a tuner yet you don't refer to it as a "television" ... so it's OK for you to overlook this detail but not me. Kid, you're funny.

So, yes, Samsung's BFGD "Big Format" 55" would be considered a large / big format "Gaming Display" You can most definitely game on it. Again, let's cut out the word games. I could give a rats ass if nVidia coined the phrase. It still applies to Samsung. But better yet, you guys can take your money and put it where you're mouth is. I demand that both you go out, buy this $5,000 overpriced late to the party ( Monitor, Display or Television ) and then we can all compare notes. I promise I will have a hell of a lot more money in my pocket and better or equal performance.

BTW, let's not forget the $3,000 you have to spend on not one but two nVidia RTX 2080 Ti's to even remotely come close to pushing 120hz @ 4K.

News Flash - I'm already doing HDR 1440p on a 10-bit 2ms refresh rate panel @ 120hz with 9ms latency on my 55" Samsung BFGD using a single nVidia RTX 2080 ti and this is with ultra / high settings on "any" game sucka's.
 
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I'm using a Samsung 2018 on one rig. It's great, but the lag at 4K is too much for PC gaming. I'm using it for PS4 Pro mostly now, and that is acceptable.

I think there is still space for a gaming optimized large monitor, but $5,000 is a bit steep considering the other options.
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What display do you have exactly and I can help you get it optimized if you have one of the models that does 1440p HDR @ 120hz Native. The 15th, we can turn Freesync on under gaming once nVidia releases these drivers.
 
It's a Q7F 55". The picture is great, and it doesn't have the trailing/smearing issue I had on my KU6300 (or at least it's improved enough to not be a problem).

Yes, 1440p works great at 120Hz and the lag is reduced greatly. And I'm using FreeSync with Vega 64. It works really nice at 1440p120, but then the image is too soft compared to 4K.

I think I have all the settings right for game mode and everything. It's probably just that 60Hz is too low for me (my main machine is 166Hz).
 
Let's get back on topic, shall we?

Disappointed to hear it's only 384 zones instead of the rumored 512. 384 is barely acceptable on the 27" version, but I imagine increasing the number of zones would have also had a corresponding increase in price.
 
Armenius said:
Comparing a monitor like the BFGD to a television? Get back to us when Samsung starts producing a 65" PC monitor.

I have no idea what he is talking about when referring to "port latency." It's something I've never heard used before. I think he means input latency. If that is the case then I still don't know what he's talking about because it is brought up all the time here and in other places.

As for response time, refresh rate can help, but it is still limited by the panel technology. Most, if not all Samsung panels use their own proprietary VA type technology. And I have yet to see anyone able to get real world response time on any VA panel under 10ms without inducing large amounts of RTC error, which is easy to see if you look at reviews for VA monitors that have a maximum refresh rate of 144 or 200 Hz.
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i tought that the BFGD is a VA panel..? so that would suck according to you..

and well, if its an ips that would suck also according to me, a giant glow box..


naah bring on the Samsungs, or the LG oleds with 4k120 and freesync.. waaaay cheaper and imho propably way better IQ. (that remains to be seen ofc.)

Especially since NV now supports freesync.. this monitor/television/expensive abormination is a joke.. doomed to fail... 5k what are they thinking.. only nVidia's diehard fans need apply..
 
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Not sure I would buy the monitor at that price, but I may be interested in buying whatever they were smoking, lol.

I mean, I thought I was splurging with a $1,600 TV. $5,000 is just ludicrous.
 
nVidia know this product in the market places is pretty much dead in the water thanks to Samsung/LG, hence why they formally announced support for VRR. They'll still sell a few I guess to the hardcore faithful that buy titans etc.
 
Is this monitor even HDMI 2.1? It'd be fucking hilarious if it cost that much and SHIPPED obsolete.
 
And no Dolby Vision, because Nvidia had to use a Shield in there and are too cheap to license DV. Probably doesn't have HDR10+ unless Nvidia is updating the Shield to support that.
 
neomoz said:
nVidia know this product in the market places is pretty much dead in the water thanks to Samsung/LG, hence why they formally announced support for VRR. They'll still sell a few I guess to the hardcore faithful that buy titans etc.
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The BFGDs window of opportunity was Oct 2018 at the latest with a $3,500 price point tops. They may have had a shot at selling a dozen or so, but they blew it. Now @ $5k plus the market anticipation for 4k120VRR OLED, its all over baby. BFGD is gonna be DOA.

Nvidia should of targeted the high refresh, his res, super large monitor market a long time ago with dual DP MST tech.....but they were too busy pushing shitty Bezaltastic 3x1 Surround setups and tiny fucking monitors.
 
RamboZombie said:
i tought that the BFGD is a VA panel..? so that would suck according to you..

and well, if its an ips that would suck also according to me, a giant glow box..


naah bring on the Samsungs, or the LG oleds with 4k120 and freesync.. waaaay cheaper and imho propably way better IQ. (that remains to be seen ofc.)

Especially since NV now supports freesync.. this monitor/television/expensive abormination is a joke.. doomed to fail... 5k what are they thinking.. only nVidia's diehard fans need apply..
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I never said VA panels suck, just that they have limitations.
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MVA panel.. feel free to correct me, but that would suck for real world response time right?

or.. probably be in the exact same ballpark as a samsung... but what do i know..?
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AMVA made by AU Optronics, which isn't the same as MVA. It sacrifices contrast for speed, which is why you usually see them in the 2000-3000:1 range compared to the 5000-6000:1 you see in televisions. They're known to have an 8ms response time, which is good enough for 120 Hz. But this panel was specifically manufactured for the BFGD, so we'll have to wait for reviews to know how well it does. NVIDIA has even tighter control and oversight with G-SYNC HDR than before.
l88bastard said:
The BFGDs window of opportunity was Oct 2018 at the latest with a $3,500 price point tops. They may have had a shot at selling a dozen or so, but they blew it. Now @ $5k plus the market anticipation for 4k120VRR OLED, its all over baby. BFGD is gonna be DOA.

Nvidia should of targeted the high refresh, his res, super large monitor market a long time ago with dual DP MST tech.....but they were too busy pushing shitty Bezaltastic 3x1 Surround setups and tiny fucking monitors.
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I agree with this. Had they been released a year ago when they were announced they would have a better chance in the market. But with the newly announced 2019 LG OLEDs I don't think they have as good a chance at competing. Some people will still be turned off by the fear of burn in and may look at the BFGD as an alternative.
 
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Armenius said:
I never said VA panels suck, just that they have limitations.

AMVA made by AU Optronics, which isn't the same as MVA. It sacrifices contrast for speed, which is why you usually see them in the 2000-3000:1 range compared to the 5000-6000:1 you see in televisions. They're known to have an 8ms response time, which is good enough for 120 Hz. But this panel was specifically manufactured for the BFGD, so we'll have to wait for reviews to know how well it does. NVIDIA has even tighter control and oversight with G-SYNC HDR than before.

I agree with this. Had they been released a year ago when they were announced they would have a better chance in the market. But with the newly announced 2019 LG OLEDs I don't think they have as good a chance at competing. Some people will still be turned off by the fear of burn in and may look at the BFGD as an alternative.
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The burn in thing does kill OLEDs as computer displays, but the 2019 Samsung HDMI 2.1 TVs definitely make these bfg things pointless.
 
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