Ryzen 3000 Processors Listed on Russian Retail Site

NWRMidnight said:
I linked an article from techspot. The so called deep dive you keep mentioning can't be found, so how about a link.
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Sure. It's been linked from the [H] forums many times before in these IPC debates, so I assumed you were familiar with it - apologies for that.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/

He also updated it for Pinnacle Ridge/Zen + here:

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/page-72#post-39391302

Make sure to open up the "spoilers" for detailed charts.

For reference, The Stilt isn't just a random forum guy, he's created a lot of the memory overclocking presets for various motherboard firmware for Zen, and created the Ryzen timing generator for overclocking memory with Ryzen.

And just so you're aware, it's weird to be arguing this from the other side. Usually I'm having to fight with the Intel shills, who want to accept the 14% value - or even higher values - as opposed to the 9% value I think is most appropriate for regular users.
 
jbc029 said:
I don't know about *must*, but it would be nice. Before Turing, there was 1 performance tier AMD didn't have. Now, there are two. They have presence throughout the rest of the stack, and compelling pricing through most of that. Hell, RX 570s are cheaper than 1050tis now, yet the green cards still sell. People are *only* buying low end based off of name recognition, not actual value, at this point. There isn't much more you can do when your part has price parity or better and is 30+% faster.
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So true. I sort of made one of my friend feel dumb on Facebook few weeks ago he stopped responding after my last statement. His post was about his graphic card holding him back with texture quality. He has like a really old GeForce card. People were like you need to upgrade card so he could take advantage of the new textures and image quality feature.

So here is how my response went:

Me: since you have a really old midrange card consider upgrading to rx 570. They are on sale and you get two free games.

Him: I only buy Nvidia. Nvidia chipsets are way better they are like Apple of graphics cards.

Me: well since apple uses AMD GPUs implies AMD must be better. lol

He never responded to that. Rofl.
 
Sounds good, may have to swap my 1600 for one o' them, assuming gigabyte updates their craptastic x370 k5 firmware to support it.
 
I've been planning on a Ryzen build in 2019. This news seals it for me.
 
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DuronBurgerMan said:
Sure. It's been linked from the [H] forums many times before in these IPC debates, so I assumed you were familiar with it - apologies for that.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/

He also updated it for Pinnacle Ridge/Zen + here:

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/page-72#post-39391302

Make sure to open up the "spoilers" for detailed charts.

For reference, The Stilt isn't just a random forum guy, he's created a lot of the memory overclocking presets for various motherboard firmware for Zen, and created the Ryzen timing generator for overclocking memory with Ryzen.

And just so you're aware, it's weird to be arguing this from the other side. Usually I'm having to fight with the Intel shills, who want to accept the 14% value - or even higher values - as opposed to the 9% value I think is most appropriate for regular users.
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If you are looking at gaming you should not even care for IPC any more if you are using a modern game engine those new API can use multiple cores at once sending data to the gpu as opposed to older API which were bound to 1 core at a time.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
If you are looking at gaming you should not even care for IPC any more if you are using a modern game engine those new API can use multiple cores at once sending data to the gpu as opposed to older API which were bound to 1 core at a time.
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I don't particularly care about gaming from a CPU perspective. I bought a good GPU for that - and given the games I play (rarely - never any time anymore) I really overbought for that. I bought Ryzen because I do a fair amount of rendering, encoding, and heavy multitasking. 8 cores for cheap was nice.
 
Is it ok if I quote someone from another thread? Let's see

Boil said:
That is le Meme-tastique...

Now, the stats DO line up with the AdoredTV stuff...

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Me, I want that Ryzen 5 3600; 8 cores / 16 threads. 3.6GHz base / 4.4GHz boost, 7nm, 65w TDP, 180 bucks; what is not to like...!?!

Should go nicely with a Radeon RX 3080 GPU; 7nm, Navi 10 (Small Navi), 8GB GDDR6, 150w TDP, Vega 64 +15% performance (competes w/ RTX 2070 & GTX 1080), 250 bucks; again, what is not to like...!?!

Also, REAL homemade cranberry sauce (where you can SEE actual cranberries, not the ridged "mold lines" from the can) is fucking fantastic...!!! ;^p
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If 3850 is really a thing then... uh oh. Shall I wait a few months? CAN I WAIT?

Is the 3800 really coming in a few days? I am hype.
 
Can't say I've ever really been excited about a PC hardware launch/announcement.

I mean, I was eager to hear from nVidia before RTX was announced. But I wasn't excited. And it was also a kick in the balls.

But this. Get hype.
 
Skiddywinks said:
Can't say I've ever really been excited about a PC hardware launch/announcement.

I mean, I was eager to hear from nVidia before RTX was announced. But I wasn't excited. And it was also a kick in the balls.

But this. Get hype.
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buy a couple thousand shares of AMD and get excited about it then. not sure the purpose of your post if u dont give a crap.
 
NWRMidnight said:
False, go look at the article again. I think there is 1 game out of all of them that may be even close to 10% (more like 8%), the rest are 2% to 5%.
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You're comparing 8700k to 2600x right with the same core count? I mean unless I am blind...

https://www.techspot.com/article/1616-4ghz-ryzen-2nd-gen-vs-core-8th-gen/page3.html

Also I am with DuronBurgerMan, you're making me feel like Shittai or Wrongrga.. I would be rocking AMD right now no doubt if these new chips were out at the same time the 8700K was released.

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I'm in for that 3700x if this is real.

Using a 1700 now. My only question is whether my motherboard is still up to the task. I got the taichi x370 board from asrock.
 
+1 on 3700X, if these rumors are true and there is some IPC improvements but the core count is way higher for those prices.... Intel say hi to my living room haha.
 
Stinkfist said:
Yeah, I'm with you on this one. If they get within 5% of intels per core IPC it will be a huge win for AMD, and I think they'll be there this time around. Beating Coffee Lake though? Yeah, not gonna happen.
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They already are in that range with zen+. I would expect there to be almost no ipc difference young forward other than minor workload and design based ipc variances.
There is a 5ghz zen+ bench which has same or better ipc than intel. Depends on workload..
 
I don't have a good reason to upgrade my 2700x, but I'll still get a 3700x if it clocks to 5ghz just because. Even if there's no IPC bump whatsoever, that's still a pretty big gain just in clock speed.
 
Bye bye Ryzen 1700 hello 3700X !! Ready with the water cooling as of today! If the rumors are true then the plan is try to go 5Ghz all core 3600 mem...


Oh and if Navi is not too bad I might upgrade my Fury X too, but can't complain right now 2560x1080 is no sweat even when max AA is used, only choke when using VSR on big games.
 
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After buying MSI A320 Gaming Pro mobo with A8-9600, that was my first AM4 drug. Pretty fast.

Resisted myself from buying Ryzen 2400g for a few months but I craved in few days ago and installed it.
I got high after first boot up. It was extremely FAST. (thanks to WD 500gb M.2)

All of this while Ryzen 2 with tons of core/SMT on way? Thanks to AMD, I need my next upgrade fix, dammit!
 
I haven't used AMD since K6-2. Yeah I'm mostly a gamer so AMD processors never really were attractive to me, but if this thing can runt 4.7ghz then I just might switch. Probably not on all 16 cores though.
 
I think I might have to actually build a desktop for once. I've been running laptops for the past 7 years, but for the past 6 months I've had my laptop parked in the office hooked up to a keyboard and 2 monitors. It's running a dated 7700, it looks like even the mid range 6 core would blow out of the water and the 3700x would probably destroy. Coming up on the 2 year mark of the laptop, and, if the pattern repeats, every 23-27 months, the nvidia GPU burns out like it has on the past 2 laptops I've had. Nvidia mobile GPUs run too hot for their own good.
 
legcramp said:
You're comparing 8700k to 2600x right with the same core count? I mean unless I am blind...

https://www.techspot.com/article/1616-4ghz-ryzen-2nd-gen-vs-core-8th-gen/page3.html

Also I am with DuronBurgerMan, you're making me feel like Shittai or Wrongrga.. I would be rocking AMD right now no doubt if these new chips were out at the same time the 8700K was released.

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This is like beating a dead horse. If you are gaming at 1080p and that’s all you are doing buy intel! Enjoy! Stop wasting time on this over and over again.

AMD is for just more than gaming. If you do more than game 24/7 then yea may want to give AMD a thought!
 
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NKD said:
This is like beating a dead horse. If you are gaming at 1080p and that’s all you are doing buy intel! Enjoy! Stop wasting time on this over and over again.

AMD is for just more than gaming. If you do more than game 24/7 then yea may want to give AMD a though.
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Lulz
 
Nebell said:
I haven't used AMD since K6-2. Yeah I'm mostly a gamer so AMD processors never really were attractive to me, but if this thing can runt 4.7ghz then I just might switch. Probably not on all 16 cores though.
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Say what? Are you saying my Athlon 64 was slower than Intel in games? That's not how I remember it.
 
NKD said:
This is like beating a dead horse. If you are gaming at 1080p and that’s all you are doing buy intel! Enjoy! Stop wasting time on this over and over again.

AMD is for just more than gaming. If you do more than game 24/7 then yea may want to give AMD a thought!
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It is not beating a dead horse. He commented directly to your point.

N4CR said:
Game tests with clock speed differences are not ipc...
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You stated game tests and speed difference. So he links game testing with THE SAME CLOCK SPEEDS and you act like hes beating a dead horse? I suppose he is, at your request.
 
GMcDougal said:
Intel is in big trouble and i love it
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Did you forget about Sunny Cove? AMD is like a Chihuaua and Intel is a tiger, it's not going to be taken down by a little Chihuahua barking at it.

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Pieter3dnow said:
If you are looking at gaming you should not even care for IPC any more.
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LOL what?


NKD said:
This is like beating a dead horse. If you are gaming at 1080p and that’s all you are doing buy intel! Enjoy! Stop wasting time on this over and over again.

AMD is for just more than gaming. If you do more than game 24/7 then yea may want to give AMD a thought!
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Why even get a high end CPU then if clocks + IPC don't matter? Exposing CPU limitations at 1080p or even 720p is important because GPUs get progressively faster and by a large margin each generation which eventually does expose that CPU weakness. If the processor doesn't matter, then why even get a Zen then? Stick with bulldozer at 4k.
 
I've been holding out for a GPU upgrade and moving to a 1440p 144Hz monitor, since my 3770K will likely be fine while the GPU handles the higher res and refresh.

But then THIS happens, and now I want to go for the full overhaul with a Zen2. My wallet is going to get screwed six ways to Sunday...
 
5150Joker said:
Did you forget about Sunny Cove? AMD is like a Chihuaua and Intel is a tiger, it's not going to be taken down by a little Chihuahua barking at it.

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LOL what?




Why even get a high end CPU then if clocks + IPC don't matter? Exposing CPU limitations at 1080p or even 720p is important because GPUs get progressively faster and by a large margin each generation which eventually does expose that CPU weakness. If the processor doesn't matter, then why even get a Zen then? Stick with bulldozer at 4k.
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You see. At no point in my comment I mentioned, IPC or Clocks. At no point I even said don't buy your beloved intel.

I was complaining to the biggest knock on zen, this notion that it sucks at gaming bla bla bla. Does it perform bad across the board? hell no. Yea its slower at 1080p. Bulldozer and Zen aren't even in the same league. Stop twisting my words to get your argument across. AMD aint even that slow in gaming. Its the only thing fanboys have to knock on so they do.

A person who knows their shit builds according to their need, not what you or I say. My comment was exactly about that, not some fanboy crap. if you need every fuckin fps go with intel.
 
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NKD said:
You see. At no point in my comment I mentioned, IPC or Clocks. At no point I even said don't buy your beloved intel.

I was complaining to the biggest knock on zen, this notion that it sucks at gaming bla bla bla. Does it perform bad across the board? hell no. Yea its slower at 1080p. Bulldozer and Zen aren't even in the same league. Stop twisting my words to get your argument across. AMD aint even that slow in gaming. Its the only thing fanboys have to knock on so they do.

A person who knows their shit builds according to their need, not what you or I say. My comment was exactly about that, not some fanboy crap. if you need every fuckin fps go with intel.
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HOLY SHIT this is getting out of hand. We aren't arguing gaming performance or daily use or what you should use or anything else. No, Ryzen does not suck at gaming, but it's not as good as Intel. Do you know WHY? Because the IPC is not the same, clock for clock. Intel is faster, at somewhere between 7% and 10%. Now then, as we were originally talking about, if AMD can get Ryzen 2 within 5% of Intels IPC and ALSO get near 5ghz clock speeds, Intel is gonna feel the heat from that. This is what we were talking about, not whatever the fuck daily usage bullshit you were.

EDIT: Also, I AM in fact an AMD fanboy and have been ever since I replaced my first Pentium 100Mhz chip with a K6-2. I've bought AMD and ATI/AMD graphics ever since. That being said, I can admit that Intel chips, clock for clock, are faster than AMD because of IPC. Just face the music on that.
 
LOL edit.. I am getting three different people confused and all their names starts with "N".
 
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Stinkfist said:
HOLY SHIT this is getting out of hand. We aren't arguing gaming performance or daily use or what you should use or anything else. No, Ryzen does not suck at gaming, but it's not as good as Intel. Do you know WHY? Because the IPC is not the same, clock for clock. Intel is faster, at somewhere between 7% and 10%. Now then, as we were originally talking about, if AMD can get Ryzen 2 within 5% of Intels IPC and ALSO get near 5ghz clock speeds, Intel is gonna feel the heat from that. This is what we were talking about, not whatever the fuck daily usage bullshit you were.

EDIT: Also, I AM in fact an AMD fanboy and have been ever since I replaced my first Pentium 100Mhz chip with a K6-2. I've bought AMD and ATI/AMD graphics ever since. That being said, I can admit that Intel chips, clock for clock, are faster than AMD because of IPC. Just face the music on that.
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Got it! You are AMD fanboy. Hehe
 
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