AMD Navi RX 3080 $249. Leaks & Rumors.

When read many of the comments, it feels a bit as there is a undertone about - Team AMD has their work cut out for them, even if they do release some great cards at good prices. I'll stand by that we'll see AMD announce CES the new Vega 2 (which has little performance to increase over RX Vega 64 to meet or exceed 2080) along side 3000 series - Launch day though is different day, and I'd expect AIB 3000 series cards on or very near launch day - That being said, launch day will be sooner than later, and no way do I see nVidia being close to releasing 7nm to push back - Its the Titan RTX at the top for good part 2019 to compete with Team Red (in my opinion).

Someone posted in another thread a couple of weeks back, even if Team Red releases a competitive card, it will have to be sold for far less, and will not be seen for as good as it really is - I can believe that when see everyone comments, lol...
 
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AMD have said in the past that the new Vega card is a machine learning card. It will not be for the likes of us consumers. They very well may release it or details on it. But the only one that should interest us gamers is the new Navi based cards.
 
Maddness said:
AMD have said in the past that the new Vega card is a machine learning card. It will not be for the likes of us consumers. They very well may release it or details on it. But the only one that should interest us gamers is the new Navi based cards.
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All the recent events Lisa Su said exact opposite... lol - Funny seeing so many push that message, will be even funnier if/when AMD drops Vega 2 7nm to replace Vega 64.

"Su assured the crowd that the company plans to bring the new process to consumer GPUs in the future. Su didn't specify if the new gaming graphics card would feature the Vega architecture"

"Our upcoming 7nm and 12nm products build on the momentum of our Ryzen, Radeon and EPYC processors, positioning AMD to lead the next generation of high-performance computing in markets from premium devices and gaming to machine learning and the datacenter.”"

https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/pushing-boundaries-for-2018jun05

AMD’s CEO, Lisa Su, announced at their Computex 2018 press conference that 7nm GPUs will be coming to gamers. The graphics cards will make their way to the market around 2019

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-7nm-gpu-vega-gaming,37228.html


AMD’s CEO Confirms 7nm Radeon RX Graphics Cards For Gamers, Launching in 2019

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7nm-graphics-cards-gamers-2019/

There's lot more out there more direct than this even (not stuff I can post)...
 
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I still believe the 7nm will be Navi. Even if you watch the very latest Adored video, he also states that it will be Navi. The consumer version of 7nm Vega was cancelled because of the prohibitive cost.
 
Maddness said:
I still believe the 7nm will be Navi. Even if you watch the very latest Adored video, he also states that it will be Navi. The consumer version of 7nm Vega was cancelled because of the prohibitive cost.
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We can never rule out a Navi 7nm ProDuo card out of the AMD camp... would not be the first time they went that direction in a effort to bring frame rates a bit closer with top level card.

Maybe AMD has add-in card for Ray Tracing up their sleeve... surprised nvidia (think physX) hasn't already done so.
 
nEo717 said:
We can never rule out a Navi 7nm ProDuo card out of the AMD camp... would not be the first time they went that direction in a effort to bring frame rates a bit closer with top level card.

Maybe AMD has add-in card for Ray Tracing up their sleeve... surprised nvidia (think physX) hasn't already done so.
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No this is way to good to make fun of Nvidia anyone with enough feeling for marketing ray tracing is a gift which will keep on giving ;) . Nvidia can pay for crippling API but not for implementing ray tracing in titles the promise made is such a great thing for AMD since what we have seen now is underwhelming and Nvidia has to make hardware , yes they do, that will keep supporting this I don't think you can imagine how great this for AMD , their competitor has to invest in real estate (die size) to not fall flat on their face and cause quite a problem for themselves with their customers since they promised ray tracing ;) .
Yes and that for many generations to come ;) .
 
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nEo717 said:
All the recent events Lisa Su said exact opposite... lol - Funny seeing so many push that message, will be even funnier if/when AMD drops Vega 2 7nm to replace Vega 64.

"Su assured the crowd that the company plans to bring the new process to consumer GPUs in the future. Su didn't specify if the new gaming graphics card would feature the Vega architecture"

"Our upcoming 7nm and 12nm products build on the momentum of our Ryzen, Radeon and EPYC processors, positioning AMD to lead the next generation of high-performance computing in markets from premium devices and gaming to machine learning and the datacenter.”"

https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/pushing-boundaries-for-2018jun05

AMD’s CEO, Lisa Su, announced at their Computex 2018 press conference that 7nm GPUs will be coming to gamers. The graphics cards will make their way to the market around 2019

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-7nm-gpu-vega-gaming,37228.html


AMD’s CEO Confirms 7nm Radeon RX Graphics Cards For Gamers, Launching in 2019

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7nm-graphics-cards-gamers-2019/

There's lot more out there more direct than this even (not stuff I can post)...
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There has been a lot of confusion about this. I am not sure if they specifically said there would be no Vega 2 for gaming. They did say First 7nm GPU Vega 20 will be for machine learning first. All they said that we will see 7nm gaming GPUs in 2019. I mean if they planned to release vega 20 and wanted to release them in small quantities for namesake sure they could. I think Vega 20 not coming to gamers was just derived from AMD saying vega 20 will come to data center and machine learning on 7nm. I am not sure if they explicitly said it that vega 20 will not be coming to gamers.

I mean if Vega 20 is performing between 2080 and 2080ti then sure release them whatever quantities they can make and say we have it. Would make sense for it to be on the higher end and AMD to cash in on it a bit.

But I am really confident that Navi will come sooner than expected. There were rumors in october that Navi was looking to be better than planned and already running in labs in second half of the year. So That was 4-5 months ago. I won't be surprised a bit that it launches earlier than expected due to that. They could have already started ramping up towards the end of the year if it was looking better than expected in August-September running in labs.
 
And I would not be surprised that there is enough supply Navi if anything shows that AMD did have something decent. I'm only hoping that they releasing the 3080 as well and not just NAvi 12 stuff.
 
El Derpo said:
I could not possibly care less about any GPUs in AMD’s timeline that aren’t directly competing with the high end. Until that time, they aren’t getting another dime from me. Seriously ...where is all their R&D going to? They’ve had so many opportunities lately to strike while the green beast is down. I wanna see some Ti competition. “Our brand new cards are on par with a 2 year old card” ... great ...
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Ti level (1080/2080) are only low single figure percent of the market.
 
El Derpo said:
So AMD should never compete with NVIDIA on the high end? I fail to understand your point.
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As far as some are concerned the only market that needs to be serviced is the cheap market. So many so-called AMD fans told people to buy used AMD cards because they were cheap and insist that the high end is a waste of time and low to mid range is just fine. This is what is killing AMD IMO. Insisting on cheap is not a good thing for the gaming or video card market.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
No this is way to good to make fun of Nvidia anyone with enough feeling for marketing ray tracing is a gift which will keep on giving ;) . Nvidia can pay for crippling API but not for implementing ray tracing in titles the promise made is such great thing for AMD since what we have seen now is underwhelming and Nvidia has to make hardware , yes they do, that will keep supporting this I don't think you can imagine how great this for AMD , their competitor has to invest in real estate (die size) to not fall flat on their face and cause quite a problem for themselves with their customers since they promised ray tracing ;) .
Yes and that for many generations to come ;) .
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LOL
 
Montu said:
As far as some are concerned the only market that needs to be serviced is the cheap market. So many so-called AMD fans told people to buy used AMD cards because they were cheap and insist that the high end is a waste of time and low to mid range is just fine. This is what is killing AMD IMO. Insisting on cheap is not a good thing for the gaming or video card market.
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WTF are you talking about? I said nothing about AMD and cheap cards. I said I wanted AMD to compete with NVIDIA on the high end. What’s killing AMD is not giving NVIDIA any competition whatsoever, regardless of price. They simply haven’t had anything to compete with for several years now. Even if AMD released GPUs at the same price and performance as NVIDIA, I’d go with AMD because I want to support them. But there’s nothing to buy because it doesn’t exist.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
No this is way to good to make fun of Nvidia anyone with enough feeling for marketing ray tracing is a gift which will keep on giving ;) . Nvidia can pay for crippling API but not for implementing ray tracing in titles the promise made is such great thing for AMD since what we have seen now is underwhelming and Nvidia has to make hardware , yes they do, that will keep supporting this I don't think you can imagine how great this for AMD , their competitor has to invest in real estate (die size) to not fall flat on their face and cause quite a problem for themselves with their customers since they promised ray tracing ;) .
Yes and that for many generations to come ;) .
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kinda wish i could like this twice..
 
Montu said:
As far as some are concerned the only market that needs to be serviced is the cheap market. So many so-called AMD fans told people to buy used AMD cards because they were cheap and insist that the high end is a waste of time and low to mid range is just fine. This is what is killing AMD IMO. Insisting on cheap is not a good thing for the gaming or video card market.
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Fighting 3 people with one hand tied behind your back and wondering why you keep getting beat up badly is what AMD did for a long period of time.
Producing high end hardware is not a problem on a level playing field.
If the field is not level why go back to getting yourself kicked in the groin over and over?

AMD does not have the marketing tools to do high end. If you know this why would AMD dump such an amount of money into the high end and get nothing in return? It has nothing to do with AMD fans it has to do with the problems also surrounding AMD hardware regarding power consumption at higher clocks which is another thing that you will see when Nvidia starts to make 7nm cards.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Fighting 3 people with one hand tied behind your back and wondering why you keep getting beat up badly is what AMD did for a long period of time.
Producing high end hardware is not a problem on a level playing field.
If the field is not level why go back to getting yourself kicked in the groin over and over?

AMD does not have the marketing tools to do high end. If you know this why would AMD dump such an amount of money into the high end and get nothing in return? It has nothing to do with AMD fans it has to do with the problems also surrounding AMD hardware regarding power consumption at higher clocks which is another thing that you will see when Nvidia starts to make 7nm cards.
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Ugh, it's not a marketing issue, it's a performance issue, AMD simply hasn't had a card to compete for the top spot in a while now, the last true top end competitor was the 290x

390x failed to compete for the halo spot(8g 290x)
Fury X failed to compete for the halo spot
Vega 64 failed to compete for the halo spot :p

that doesn't mean they didn't compete in the high end, but their prices on vega and fury x were higher than their competition, which they were either tied with or behind.
 
Clearly stated that there are design problems. Never stated that the current or last crop failed from marketing but as you know the R9 290x failed to sell while it was faster.

And that was due to marketing...
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Clearly stated that there are design problems. Never stated that the current or last crop failed from marketing but as you know the R9 290x failed to sell while it was faster.

And that was due to marketing...
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290x was sold out everywhere for months :p
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Fighting 3 people with one hand tied behind your back and wondering why you keep getting beat up badly is what AMD did for a long period of time.
Producing high end hardware is not a problem on a level playing field.
If the field is not level why go back to getting yourself kicked in the groin over and over?

AMD does not have the marketing tools to do high end. If you know this why would AMD dump such an amount of money into the high end and get nothing in return? It has nothing to do with AMD fans it has to do with the problems also surrounding AMD hardware regarding power consumption at higher clocks which is another thing that you will see when Nvidia starts to make 7nm cards.
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If AMD Produced a card that beat the 1080TI or now 2080Ti and sold it for a similar price, people would buy it. Has nothing to do with marketing tools...
 
Has AMD said anything about VR and crossfire with the new cards? I refuse to buy a 2080ti. My 1080ti now is good in VR, but once I upgrade the headset I think it's going to struggle. It would be nice if CFX or SLI worked, but it seems that's not the case at the moment.
 
SeaFoam said:
Has AMD said anything about VR and crossfire with the new cards? I refuse to buy a 2080ti. My 1080ti now is good in VR, but once I upgrade the headset I think it's going to struggle. It would be nice if CFX or SLI worked, but it seems that's not the case at the moment.
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Unfortunately nothing that i have read. As I'm also quite keen on VR, it would be nice to see them around that same sort of performance.
 
SeaFoam said:
Has AMD said anything about VR and crossfire with the new cards? I refuse to buy a 2080ti. My 1080ti now is good in VR, but once I upgrade the headset I think it's going to struggle. It would be nice if CFX or SLI worked, but it seems that's not the case at the moment.
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SLI and crossire is up to the developers now. So if the developer supports it sure. But honestly its better when its coded into the engine anyways.

But honestly developers get too much pass for it. There is no reason to have dx11 games anymore, it truly pisses me off when I see dx11 game these days lol. Go vulkan or go dx 12.
 
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El Derpo said:
The 1080 Ti is in the top 10 used cards on Steam as of December, but the 1060 has a commanding lead.
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That doesn't really mean anything percentage wise. As the cards get older people buy them. Big market for used cards as next gen cards come out. I am sure they sell them alot but not enough relative to mid range.
 
oldmanbal said:
Try low single percent of 1 % of the market. (like .05)
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Seems to be but I'm being cautious.

El Derpo said:
WTF are you talking about? I said nothing about AMD and cheap cards. I said I wanted AMD to compete with NVIDIA on the high end. What’s killing AMD is not giving NVIDIA any competition whatsoever, regardless of price. They simply haven’t had anything to compete with for several years now. Even if AMD released GPUs at the same price and performance as NVIDIA, I’d go with AMD because I want to support them. But there’s nothing to buy because it doesn’t exist.
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AMD competes soundly from high end (1080) and down, again what planet do you live on? I'm sure this is the second time I've seen you writing this bullshit (muh amd don't compete at all). They don't compete in halo because it's such a tiny amount of market for such huge R&D, they can't afford it.
Why would 1060s be a huge glut if AMD wasn't competitive?
 
N4CR said:
AMD competes soundly from high end (1080) and down, again what planet do you live on? I'm sure this is the second time I've seen you writing this bullshit (muh amd don't compete at all). They don't compete in halo because it's such a tiny amount of market for such huge R&D, they can't afford it.
Why would 1060s be a huge glut if AMD wasn't competitive?
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I have absolutely no idea what you’re trying to say. Literally the only thing I’ve said is I want to buy a high end card from AMD ... a space in which AMD isn’t currently competing in ... a space in which many people in this forum are in, which makes it relevant to discussion. Get the fuck over yourself with this white knighting AMD bullshit. I’ve supported them for years and will continue to do so ... if not through their GPUs, then certainly through their CPUs ... which I currently am. This constant “but dey dunt compete durr cuz smole murketz” is getting old. I realize it’s not high demand as a general rule. If AMD can capture any of the market I’ll be happy for them ... because maybe it’ll open the door for other things. They’re hardly competing “soundly” in the 1080 range when these new cards are supposed to compete with the 1080/2070. They haven’t even had a competing card yet so I’m not sure what you’re smoking, but I hope you’ll share it. AMDs current offerings have been cards that run much hotter and use a lot more power than NVIDIA. Then there was that whole frying people’s motherboards fiasco, which didn’t instill much confidence in AMD.They’re not competing with NVIDIA much in the mid range either. But now NVIDIA is effing up pretty hard with the 20 series nonsense and I think AMD may have a real shot here.
 
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If AMD can produce a card to compete with 1080/2070 and 1080Ti/2080 for a great price that'd put them in a position to sell a ton of them.

Few more days and we'll know. I can't wait.
 
El Derpo said:
I have absolutely no idea what you’re trying to say. Literally the only thing I’ve said is I want to buy a high end card from AMD ... a space in which AMD isn’t currently competing in ... a space in which many people in this forum are in, which makes it relevant to discussion. Get the fuck over yourself with this white knighting AMD bullshit. I’ve supported them for years and will continue to do so ... if not through their GPUs, then certainly through their CPUs ... which I currently am. This constant “but dey dunt compete durr cuz smole murketz” is getting old. I realize it’s not high demand as a general rule. If AMD can capture any of the market I’ll be happy for them ... because maybe it’ll open the door for other things. They’re hardly competing “soundly” in the 1080 range when these new cards are supposed to compete with the 1080/2070. They haven’t even had a competing card yet so I’m not sure what you’re smoking, but I hope you’ll share it. AMDs current offerings have been cards that run much hotter and use a lot more power than NVIDIA. Then there was that whole frying people’s motherboards fiasco, which didn’t instill much confidence in AMD.They’re not competing with NVIDIA much in the mid range either. But now NVIDIA is effing up pretty hard with the 20 series nonsense and I think AMD may have a real shot here.
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the 480 and 580 were very competitive/faster than the competition.

The 590 slots in nicely between the 1060 and 1070.

vega is very competitive with 1080/2070.

perhaps not in terms of power consumption, but in terms of gaming performance? Very much so.

(full disclosure I currently run a 1080ti, owned a vega 64 prior to this and have plenty of experience with 580s and 1080s).
 
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Riccochet said:
CES 1/8/19 - 1/11/19
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AMD will show it's new products on 1/9/19 at CES.
New 7nm Ryzen 3000 line with 8 to 16 cores, Vega II for Professionals (WX line) and gaming with 16GB HBM2 (instead of 32 on the Instinct). Il will compete with the RTX 1080Ti and RTX Titan, is to compare more to the Titan V than to RTX. Navi GPU may be present but may only be for sale months later. AMD may have to take care of an RTX kind of API for the gaming developers, since pure DXR API isn't able to fulfill Raytracing in games on its own. This may not happen until AMD doesn't launch all Navi products ro replace Polaris (including Sony and Microsoft gaming consoles). Navi 10 full GPU is capable of RTX 2080 performance. I believe it may be made for sale this summer, but this will be clarified in 2 days. A Zen 2 powerful APU with Navi chiplet will also appear this summer.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
???
the 480 and 580 were very competitive/faster than the competition.

The 590 slots in nicely between the 1060 and 1070.

vega is very competitive with 1080/2070.

perhaps not in terms of power consumption, but in terms of gaming performance? Very much so.

(full disclosure I currently run a 1080ti, owned a vega 64 prior to this and have plenty of experience with 580s and 1080s).
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high end as in 1080ti and above perf. AMD is not in that segment currently.
AMD is present at 1080 and below levels. The 1080 has not been Nvidias High End for a while now.
 
The price is probably for just the GPU chip. Factor in the cost of DRAM and other components, the video card will be priced around $450-500. Those RGB LEDs aren't free...
 
I'm still unconvinced there will be a gaming version of 7nm Vega. Whilst it can game ok, Vega was always more of a compute card. I'm hoping for a Navi launch instead. Plus I'm seriously considering getting an HTC Vive, so I'm hoping Navi will improve there overall VR performance.
 
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high end as in 1080ti and above perf. AMD is not in that segment currently.
AMD is present at 1080 and below levels. The 1080 has not been Nvidias High End for a while now.
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uh I said amd is competitive with 1080 and below levels in my post. The 1080 is still a $400 card. It's still high end.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
uh I said amd is competitive with 1080 and below levels in my post. The 1080 is still a $400 card. It's still high end.
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You realize the high end doesn't stop at the 1080 right.
And you realize AMD has nothing beyond that right?
You realize i had to ditch my 1080 for performance reasons right?
 
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