Truck Owners Are Blocking Tesla Superchargers in "ICE-ing" Protests

A lot of municipalities, at least here in Cali, are mandating EV parking and "Clean Air" parking. Often right up front, in as good as if not better spots than Handicap access.

I think that kind of cuts both ways...

The Tesla probably has more torque than the truck anyway, should have just towed them out

Or Elon could just deploy flame throwers at charging stations. Sensor in the ground - someone parks there without being a Tesla, burn them to the ground

scojer said:

They probably vape and do the same thing.

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I vape... but I drive Volt. It's kept me from smoking for over a year now and I feel so much better.

The funny though about the current huge popularity of trucks is that people actually believe the cheap gas we have will be around forever. Same with the last few gas spikes we've had the past 20 years. I just paid $1.80 per gallon (TX), but as soon as some shit happens and we spike to $4/gallon again you will see endless mobs of people whining and complaining on TV how they can't afford to fill up there big ass unnecessary truck to get to work.

I don't hate trucks by any means, used to work in the oil field. But I'm a firm believer in the right tool for the job.

With the electric charging infrastructure still in it's infancy (relative to where it needs to be) the one thing that will solve this problem of ICE'ing very quickly is instant towing/impound/heavy fines. If you want to prove to the world you are insecure and childish, it should at least cost you $500+ dollars to do so. There should be a number posted on every Tesla/Charging sign of a local towing company that will send someone out instantly (for the fines/fees involved) they would be there in 5 minutes

aokman said:

The Tesla probably has more torque than the truck anyway, should have just towed them out

Or Elon could just deploy flame throwers at charging stations. Sensor in the ground - someone parks there without being a Tesla, burn them to the ground

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It will tow the truck and still outrun most sports cars.

Brian_B said:

A lot of municipalities, at least here in Cali, are mandating EV parking and "Clean Air" parking. Often right up front, in as good as if not better spots than Handicap access.

I think that kind of cuts both ways...

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See that's one area where I think they messed up - as the owner of an EV, i have zero issue with any/all charging being out of the way, or at the back of a lot. Who doesn't need an extra few steps/exercise in their day? Never underestimate how lazy/stupid the general public is, I see people all the time "camping" out for a parking space in a lot with TONS of parking, they would rather sit in their car for 5 minutes and wait than walk an extra 30 seconds, it's sad AF.

I was thinking of going solar, But I'll just grab a couple of Tesla "Powerwalls", put one in the back of my truck in an easily swappable configuration and viola! free power for my house while tying knots the undies of the upperclass! Brilliant!

I spoke with an engineer that designed roads. It was a bit enlightening.

Safety far and away cost the most, and at there is a cost per life saved the DOT uses as a metric on how much to spend on safety for a road. It's quite a bit.

The actual asphalt - non-commercial traffic is a non-factor. They don't even analyze for wear & tear due to everyday car/truck traffic. Commercial traffic is where all the use-based wear and tear comes from, the heavy trucks tear roads up. That being said, depending on where you live, the weather and just plain old age may be doing more than commercial traffic ever could.

So as far as gas taxes go - yeah, it does go into a lot of things that even EV would use - primarily safety items like paint and reflectors and guard rails and the like. On a federal level, the federal gas tax goes into a trust fund. The trust fund is what actually funds federal projects (interstates, grant fund for local projects, etc). Of course, the federal transportation fund is drying up, and gas taxes have remained static for a very long time and haven't kept up. At a state and local level - they use a variety of methods to fund roads. Gas taxes may or may not be one of them.

All that being said, I think the lack of revenue from EV on a gas tax isn't a huge issue - you were going to see that even with just higher fuel efficiency standards, and state/local agencies can easily make up for it on car registration fees. Federally, they were always going to have to figure something out other than a gas tax, but good luck getting an administration that has enough bi-partisan support to get anything of note accomplished.

collegeboy69us said:

See that's one area where I think they messed up - as the owner of an EV, i have zero issue with any/all charging being out of the way, or at the back of a lot.

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There's probably an element of cost as well, another 100-150 feet of thick copper wiring trenched through an existing parking lot adds up.

collegeboy69us said:

I always love posts like yours, seeing someone blatantly advertising their stupidity is always fun.

Go do some reading on just how many subsidies for fossil fuels have been going on since the 70's. And that free electricity? It's either paid for by Tesla themselves, or by the business operating the charger to lure in EV customers.

Gas taxes to maintain the roads? Nope - any lack of road repairs is more likely due to your state and local government mismanaging money or just not giving a shit about maintaining the roads. Trucks and SUVs, currently the most popular form of transport contribute more than enough. For the amount of EVs on the road, the wear and tear they cause (or lack thereof), even if you increased a tax based on miles driven 10X, it still wouldn't be a drop in the bucket compared to the miles/tax revenue traditional ICE engines put on the road.

Nice try though.

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That's short sighted. As long as the push for EVs to replace ICEs continues, EVs will eventually have to get some form of road tax. It's not a question of if it should happen, it's a question of when and how.

could very well also be a protest against Tesla building a mega factory in China

collegeboy69us said:

I always love posts like yours, seeing someone blatantly advertising their stupidity is always fun.

Go do some reading on just how many subsidies for fossil fuels have been going on since the 70's. And that free electricity? It's either paid for by Tesla themselves, or by the business operating the charger to lure in EV customers.

Gas taxes to maintain the roads? Nope - any lack of road repairs is more likely due to your state and local government mismanaging money or just not giving a shit about maintaining the roads. Trucks and SUVs, currently the most popular form of transport contribute more than enough. For the amount of EVs on the road, the wear and tear they cause (or lack thereof), even if you increased a tax based on miles driven 10X, it still wouldn't be a drop in the bucket compared to the miles/tax revenue traditional ICE engines put on the road.

Nice try though.

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And it's always fun to see an even more clueless reply.

Not sure what state you are from, but much of the money for highways here in California comes from the gas tax.
Of course the state also steals a large portion of these taxes for the general fund, but that's another issue.

As for the "subsidies for fossil fuels", yes, oil companies get tax breaks just like any other company, including companies that make electric cars and companies that generate electrical power. The fossil fuel companies here in California also pay extra carbon taxes, one of the reasons (besides the high gas taxes) that gas is still almost $3.50/gallon.

As for the amount of wear and tear on the road caused by a single vehicle, it mainly depends on the weight of the vehicle.
An electric car with a large heavy battery causes more wear and tear than a lighter ICE vehicle.
Of course most the wear is caused by Big Rigs, not cars.

As for the free electricity, yes it's paid by the building owners. They use it (along with other amenities) to justify the higher rents they are charging.
I just find it interesting that the electric car owners spend so much time trying to get a couple hours of free charging time, while saying how cheap it is to charge their cars at home.

California keeps trying to push a mileage based tax. This would allow them to tax EV's.
Problem is that they don't want to drop the gas tax either, so if this ever passes, ICE cars will likely we'll be paying both a gas tax AND a mileage tax.
I predict that if they ever pass a mileage tax, there will soon be a massive problem with odometer tampering.

Don’t people have better things to do with their time?